I am 99.99% certain that it has occurred to you, but given the less dense air and colder temperatures at the top of pikes Peak, is it possible to create a simple active aero system that maintains balance whilst increasing down force as the car proceeds up the mountain? Even a constantly turning electric motor against a worm drive, with a rotational speed adjusted to travel it’s adjustment capacity over the run?
The fact is you want max downforce pretty much everywhere, including at the start. Unless you're doing things like DRS for straight flat out sections, those wings should set for max downforce, and DRS mechanisms add weight and complexity
I’m curious if you’re expecting to see gains at Pike’s Peak with the aero analysis that you’re doing. I could see the analysis having good effect both at sea level and at altitude.
Pikes Peak typically demands the highest amounts of downforce possible, however there is a limit to that being practical. I think with the reduced weight and drag, plus and optimized suspension aero platform we will see some gains. Part of the development has been to ensure this kit will work at the higher downforce of Pikes Peak, which it gets close to the 2023 PP spec
@@ShainAndrews They're definitely different, but I have zero race experience. I have no idea how comparable one race might be to another. Figured I'd take my shot and ask The King Himself. I feel enlightened by his response. Hope you're having a good day!
Do you also verify the model output with real world measurements? Do you for example monitor ride height to give an indication that you're making the down force numbers in the simulation?
Stopwatch, data logs and driver feedback is where we focus when dealing with big changes like this. We log shock position as part of this, however with 3rd element packers front and rear, the force vs ride height is not at all linear. All this data combined enables us to understand if it is a good or a bad change. Strain gauged pushrods are on our future to-do list.
Apparently the front wing creates a vortex behind it that essentially makes air flow around the tires like they're not there. Robin's team has tested closed configurations and found this design to be better.
Have you considered that a higher aerodynamic efficiency would have resulted in lower lap times, rather than the same aerodynamic efficiency as the hill-climb spec? Do you employ lap time simulation to predict how different car changes affect lap times?
I struggle to understand how the King of the mountain has only 6K subscribers. Great video, guys. A wealth of information.
Because kids believe such things are relevant.
@@ShainAndrews I'm not sure if i'm supposed to be offended? Am I missing something?
i know eh. 6k of quality subs though ;)
Great video.
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Another entry to toss to the hungry "Seymour" algorithm: I wish I could do more...
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Haha, me!
yeh i was a little shocked to find out a brit had won the pikes peak!
Looking forward to the next video!
This is awesome! I hope you are going to record the laps. Has SuperFastMatt been involved?
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Interesting thx for sharing.
Just catching up on this so iv subscribed. I love this grass roots / small operation but utilising all the latest tools and tech.
Can’t wait to see
Love this type of content, thank you for sharing, and all hail the algorithm!
Awesome sounding car.
Now this is going to be really interesting to follow.
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I am 99.99% certain that it has occurred to you, but given the less dense air and colder temperatures at the top of pikes Peak, is it possible to create a simple active aero system that maintains balance whilst increasing down force as the car proceeds up the mountain?
Even a constantly turning electric motor against a worm drive, with a rotational speed adjusted to travel it’s adjustment capacity over the run?
The fact is you want max downforce pretty much everywhere, including at the start. Unless you're doing things like DRS for straight flat out sections, those wings should set for max downforce, and DRS mechanisms add weight and complexity
I’m curious if you’re expecting to see gains at Pike’s Peak with the aero analysis that you’re doing. I could see the analysis having good effect both at sea level and at altitude.
Pikes Peak typically demands the highest amounts of downforce possible, however there is a limit to that being practical. I think with the reduced weight and drag, plus and optimized suspension aero platform we will see some gains. Part of the development has been to ensure this kit will work at the higher downforce of Pikes Peak, which it gets close to the 2023 PP spec
Completely different environments. The only thing I can think of being more different would be F1 and Baja.
@@thesendyclub Best luck in '24. You got brains, balls, and records. Can't wait to see what you do next.
@@ShainAndrews They're definitely different, but I have zero race experience. I have no idea how comparable one race might be to another. Figured I'd take my shot and ask The King Himself. I feel enlightened by his response.
Hope you're having a good day!
I drove the GB08 in an endurance race and its amazing when it came out with the areo dampners
Do you also verify the model output with real world measurements?
Do you for example monitor ride height to give an indication that you're making the down force numbers in the simulation?
Stopwatch, data logs and driver feedback is where we focus when dealing with big changes like this. We log shock position as part of this, however with 3rd element packers front and rear, the force vs ride height is not at all linear. All this data combined enables us to understand if it is a good or a bad change. Strain gauged pushrods are on our future to-do list.
I'd think that if you could shroud the front wheels and have the outer face of the wheels smooth you could reduce a lot of the drag.
Apparently the front wing creates a vortex behind it that essentially makes air flow around the tires like they're not there. Robin's team has tested closed configurations and found this design to be better.
If Robin backed out of the race, you couldn't have found another driver for the car?
Hope you get your shifts right cheers from OZ.
i think closed front tires and closed cockpit woud greatly reduce drag and not decrease the downforce
If you use 2d carbon fibre cutouts, what material do you use for the cambered wings?
The wings are also carbon fibre, they use the same profile throughout their span. They are supplied to us from the UK by DJ Engineering
what do you think about front windshield will it improve the coefficient of drag
I want to suggest a Beam wing only setup and see if it's more efficient than the Rear wing only setup since it's closer to the diffuser
An maybe a 2 element beam wing
Have you considered that a higher aerodynamic efficiency would have resulted in lower lap times, rather than the same aerodynamic efficiency as the hill-climb spec? Do you employ lap time simulation to predict how different car changes affect lap times?
Laguna time??
How were you able remove that much weight?
That is pounds of downforce, not mass/weight.
Who else is existed for this years Race
Robin is my fav
Interesting; but with the stress you laid on efficiency, it'd be nice to know what your definition of efficiency is.
AHTA
Nice Lotus Seven in the background. Not the best aero shape though.
promo sm 💔