I've always wondered why nobody makes a wraith when shuttle harass is anticipated or scanned? The cost of it is exactly 2 tanks and the first shuttle would be killed. He could easily afford these 2 tanks if he saved all the SCVs he has lost. You open yourself for dropships and drop bases which are pylon blocked. I know it is a lot of money, but you dont need so many tanks defensively if you possition them correctly: like not directly on your mines, but hug the wall, flank with mines, wrap tanks with vultures.
Because Protoss is so OP they've never really had to optimize. This strat is basically taken from Fastest Map play. Protoss has so many options that very few have been fully explored. They've never needed to.
I really like the format Tasteless. I think it would be cool to analyze different types of openings and transitions in general - whether they are new or not. For example, it is interesting how different Protoss players really enjoy very different types of play in pvt - e.g. bonyth going almost every game reaver into carrier (and recently with 3 sairs), BeSt playing the multi shuttle style, SnOw playing with reaver into arbiter style and so on. Similar things are true for the other matchups, so I think it could be quite interesting to analyze in detail the different types of strategies that are commonly used at the highest level of play.
Great job, Tasteless, I really love this style of video. I probably don't have to tell you this, but going through a replay in fast-forward and then pausing and explaining really flashed me back to Day9 Dailies. I think this is a really great niche to fill.
I think this is the kind of content that would set you apart from any other brood war channel right now. I would die for some build order content or what to scout for instructional videos from a Protoss perspective. Great work sir!
Protoss in general is disgusting. Go watch BSL, which is generally a PvPvPvP rock-paper-scissors fest about who makes invisible man faster or who makes more dragoons. Who needs skill when we have invisible man.
In all seriousness, this isn't surprising. The game is balanced such that P>T>Z>P. This is why in TvZ, which favors terran, wraith/vessel/valkaryie/BC are ALL "Viable", whereas in PvT, where terran is trash, at most 1-2 vessels a game are "viable". Honestly in PvT having a pulse as a protoss makes you viable. One day people will realize in PvT scouts and dark archons are viable (at one point TL had a joke build about this called the stove). In a favored matchup, everything is viable.
Lol. Protoss is good vs Zerg. It's just that Zerg gets to be the aggressor until early-mid game. Protoss can become the aggressor after successfully defending the initial rush. Protoss isn't really easier to play against Terran. If the Terran player allows no opening for Toss to attack, Toss player just gets bullied by siege tanks to defeat.
Man I remember when 1.08 dropped. If I'm remembering correctly wasn't there a leak for it and you had to use bwconnect to connect to a specific server to play 1.08 maybe a few weeks ahead of time on official server? Unless it was 1.09, it's been so long..lol. I remember it was the "replay patch" and rumored to be able to load marines into tanks similar to a bunker (Imagine how broken that would have been LOL)
I strongly think that in many games there is this fallacy "the game is solved", while many games have such a complexity that call it "solved" is far from the truth. The reality is that the approach of the game got mature and no one has new ideas, but most likely there are plenty there waiting to be discovered (through lots of effort). Otherwise Chess and co would have been solved long ago already, instead there are temporary plateaus until new ideas bloom. For example artosis said "sc2 needs new balance patches, otherwise it gets solved". That is very ironic because the point is that sc2 is very complex (as it is sc1, sc1 is even more micro heavy) and most likely after some plateau someone else would come up with a new approach. Only the regular balance patches do not allow that. Such videos are awesome btw.
Hey thanks for showing this ! While im nowhere near these players in skill, i love the arbiter just for the fact that it forces Terran to scan constantly
Why are queens never used against Protoss. You would think that ensnare would make kiting against zealots very easy. Also spawn broodling on an high Templar would pu for itself
This is great news. Someone tell Artosis that Terran is no longer as OP vs Protoss. It's starting to balance out.
:D
Artosis: this bad faction made of bad players got a buff from nowhere! Great! I strongly dislike this game.
0:15 Spwaning pool change was from 150 to 200.
I've always wondered why nobody makes a wraith when shuttle harass is anticipated or scanned? The cost of it is exactly 2 tanks and the first shuttle would be killed. He could easily afford these 2 tanks if he saved all the SCVs he has lost. You open yourself for dropships and drop bases which are pylon blocked. I know it is a lot of money, but you dont need so many tanks defensively if you possition them correctly: like not directly on your mines, but hug the wall, flank with mines, wrap tanks with vultures.
People do make them. It was a popular build for a while. Nowadays people make a wraith less often, but you can still find games where the do make one.
That mine drag at 17:28
Great video Tasteless! I would love to see you make a video on Bonyth's corsair carrier style in PvT, utilizing disruption web. It's fascinating!
Agreed! I assumed that's what this video was going to be, looking at the thumbnail.
Because Protoss is so OP they've never really had to optimize. This strat is basically taken from Fastest Map play. Protoss has so many options that very few have been fully explored. They've never needed to.
17:05 ZEALOT!!!
I really like the format Tasteless. I think it would be cool to analyze different types of openings and transitions in general - whether they are new or not. For example, it is interesting how different Protoss players really enjoy very different types of play in pvt - e.g. bonyth going almost every game reaver into carrier (and recently with 3 sairs), BeSt playing the multi shuttle style, SnOw playing with reaver into arbiter style and so on. Similar things are true for the other matchups, so I think it could be quite interesting to analyze in detail the different types of strategies that are commonly used at the highest level of play.
Seeing people actually use D-Web in conjunction with Carriers is wild
13:35 - 1 kill corsair.
That's a terrible corsair.
The kill was a command centre!
Great job, Tasteless, I really love this style of video. I probably don't have to tell you this, but going through a replay in fast-forward and then pausing and explaining really flashed me back to Day9 Dailies. I think this is a really great niche to fill.
Also, this Corsair seems like a strat taken straight from Fastest maps, I see DoeJuly doing exactly this all the time.
Artosis may be excited about this new strat 🎉🎉🎉
Loved this educational content. Thanks
seconded!
I think this is the kind of content that would set you apart from any other brood war channel right now. I would die for some build order content or what to scout for instructional videos from a Protoss perspective.
Great work sir!
God this style is disgusting, can't wait to see artosis playing against it!
Protoss in general is disgusting. Go watch BSL, which is generally a PvPvPvP rock-paper-scissors fest about who makes invisible man faster or who makes more dragoons. Who needs skill when we have invisible man.
Day9 is aging really well. Love to see him posting BWC content again
that mine from the shuttle bomb at the end. holy shit.
big brain. corsair can kill lifted command center over water
In all seriousness, this isn't surprising. The game is balanced such that P>T>Z>P. This is why in TvZ, which favors terran, wraith/vessel/valkaryie/BC are ALL "Viable", whereas in PvT, where terran is trash, at most 1-2 vessels a game are "viable". Honestly in PvT having a pulse as a protoss makes you viable. One day people will realize in PvT scouts and dark archons are viable (at one point TL had a joke build about this called the stove). In a favored matchup, everything is viable.
Lol. Protoss is good vs Zerg. It's just that Zerg gets to be the aggressor until early-mid game. Protoss can become the aggressor after successfully defending the initial rush.
Protoss isn't really easier to play against Terran. If the Terran player allows no opening for Toss to attack, Toss player just gets bullied by siege tanks to defeat.
Man I remember when 1.08 dropped. If I'm remembering correctly wasn't there a leak for it and you had to use bwconnect to connect to a specific server to play 1.08 maybe a few weeks ahead of time on official server? Unless it was 1.09, it's been so long..lol. I remember it was the "replay patch" and rumored to be able to load marines into tanks similar to a bunker (Imagine how broken that would have been LOL)
I strongly think that in many games there is this fallacy "the game is solved", while many games have such a complexity that call it "solved" is far from the truth. The reality is that the approach of the game got mature and no one has new ideas, but most likely there are plenty there waiting to be discovered (through lots of effort).
Otherwise Chess and co would have been solved long ago already, instead there are temporary plateaus until new ideas bloom.
For example artosis said "sc2 needs new balance patches, otherwise it gets solved". That is very ironic because the point is that sc2 is very complex (as it is sc1, sc1 is even more micro heavy) and most likely after some plateau someone else would come up with a new approach. Only the regular balance patches do not allow that.
Such videos are awesome btw.
Volume tasteless, i need volume! i love your content and i want hours of it to mindlessly consume lmao thanks for the new vid fam :)
Hey thanks for showing this ! While im nowhere near these players in skill, i love the arbiter just for the fact that it forces Terran to scan constantly
imagine RT lose to this, magnificent KEKW
a great game can be measured by that it changes by itself over time without actual changes made to it
Came for the content, stayed for the Marvel vs Capcom 2 OST.
He went in right before scarab damage finished. maybe not a fully flushed out build yet?
Why are there lurker eggs on the map?
Wow, cool videos. Love these videos about game strategy. I'd love to see more videos about this new meta.
The future is now old man
Analysis videos like this of the state of brood war are great
Why are queens never used against Protoss. You would think that ensnare would make kiting against zealots very easy. Also spawn broodling on an high Templar would pu for itself
such great commentary! looking forward to more videos like this
Love you tasteless
Finally Toss has a chance vs Terran. Players like Artosis have gotten too many free wins vs toss lately.
Hey! So what is meta for hello fresh?
I wonder if this shift in the meta is due to the map pool. Would this build work on fighting spirit?
Supporting the algorithm
I love content like this hope your channel goes really far!
Great video, very interesting wrinkle on TvP
Tasteless, how do you think Terran should adapt to this? Wraith play? Bunkers?
Ghosts
@@hunterclark5345 Oh yah! To lock down the shuttles!
great content man, keep it up!
:D always enjoy the content
I LOVE TASTLESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Absolutely brutal build. 😳
Wraiths would be helpful against it, but who makes wraiths in TvP? Almost nobody.
I prefer the superior protoss build order of proxy 2 gate into DT
Protoss's has been making corsairs with shuttles for ever on fastest map, no reason why the cost efficiency wouldn't transfer
Im early.
(I hope that's not what she said)
this is a comment
Stop making videos and get the new ASL out!!!!!!!
What QOL changes happened in broodwar?
Starcraft is ded. stop playing it.
L + ratio