And so he spoke, and so he spoke That Lord of Castamere But now the rains weep o'er his hall With no one there to hear Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall And not a soul to hear
I think the term "Pawns, not players" perfectly describes Tywin's greatest failure when leading his house. He was so fixated on taking the reigns and securing power for House Lannister that even the family he claimed to care for became nothing more than pieces on a board to him, leaving them unprepared and unfit to take over should something unfortunate happen to him.
An apt observation. Had each of his children felt his love in some way, they would have brought the Seven Kingdoms to their knees for him. Instead, they despised him and saw in him only a means of protecting themselves.
I don’t think he can be blamed for his kids incompetence. Sure loving them more would’ve helped a bit but I don’t think it would’ve changed the underlying issues. Jaime only ever had 2 things on his brain throughout his whole life: fighting and screwing Cersei. While Cersei is just crazy and has been since day one. He gave his kids a house Lannister that was at the top of the world and in mere months Cersei has done her best to ruin it all. You can blame Tywin for tyrion though.
@@connorgolden4 I think he can, though. We only ever saw Tywin admire Jaime based on his abilities, and did little to harness Cersei’s passion into something productive. Had he displayed some unconditional love for them, they could have dealt with losing their mother and bore the weight of their responsibilities like adults. “When soldiers lack discipline, the fault lies with their commander,” and the same goes for children and parents.
If not out of love, than at least out of pragmatism, he built that house with him as it's keystone. He seemed to act like there was little to no chance of him dying before his ambitions were met even though in both versions he was getting on in years. The most he did to "Prepare" his children for rulership is to tell them to cut their shit only to treat them as his tools right afterwards. So when he did croak, what did he leave behind? a tyrant, a drunkard, a literal child and a loyal mutt. Tyrion at least was the most capable of his children, but even he couldn't do much more in the end than play vizier for the only woman in Westeros more power hungry than Cersei
He was doomed even if his children were great people. He fetishised pragmatism above and beyond reason; being certain that it was perfectly fine to make as many enemies as you like so long as you are more powerful than any of them, and finding out that even though this can make you strong for a time, as soon as that strength slips instead of just losing status and standing, instead they were utterly destroyed. Everything Tywin did to take power sowed the seeds of the political disasters that propelled the Lannisters to power and eventually destroyed them, and that is the point.
And that's why he lost. Tywin decided that winning was the only thing that mattered, sacrificed everything but winning to win more, and then found out that when you do this and stop winning you lose everything.
Tbh Tywin kinda dug House Lannister’s grave. He concentrated so much power into himself and demanded so much obedience from his children to execute his plans he practically ensured there would never be a reliable replacement for him after his death. And after the amount of enemies he made during his time as the head of the House, this made the Lannisters doomed to fall
Damn bro that's a nice comment, shame ur wrong. The power was concentrated onto tywin because his children were all worthless idiots. Its not his fault he was built different
@@youtubeuser8232 Even if Tywin recognized Tyrion's intelligence and cunning he still would not have groomed him to take over the house. His vassals would never respect a dwarf and letting one take over the house would lead to endless chaos in the west.
he was also legendarily petty and cruel for no reason, especially to his son Tyrion. If he had accepted his wife's death and acted a bit more honorably perhaps he'd still be alive.
Exactly. People often speak about Tywin centralising power too much, but Kevan was a might of his own. Not Tywin's level, but far from pathetic, even in comparison.
Gardeners were definitely NOT a "petty kings". Redwynes, Hightowers and others maybe but Gardeners no. Along with the Lannister kings of the rock those two great western monarchs reigned supreme when it comes to power and prestige for thousands od years!
The greatest house in later Westerosi history. As the northerners chose isolation, the Baratheon sat on their fat throne and the Targaryen‘s descended into madness the Lannisters established Peace and security
@@abraham2172 Tywin kept the land rich and at peace. Everybody knew that. This made Aerys upset and started to push him away. The Targaryens started a Rebelion that ended the peace. The Lannisters aren't psychos who just want to torture people, they enjoy peace just as everybody else, but don't mock or try to take power away of them (as the Tyrells did). Also, the suffering of the people was created by all of the houses who participated to war.
Been expecting a video on House Lannister for a very long time. I'm still waiting for Winds of Winter, but it'll be interesting how much of the fate of House Lannister will be like HBO Game of Thrones. Anyway, I hope you'll do the other Great Houses of Westeros somewhere down the line.
You miss many of import points as well as state inaccurate points such as Tywin’s cautious approach to the defiance caused a rift between the king and him.
"You have to give it to the Lannisters - they may be the pompous, ponderous cunts the gods ever suffered to walk the world, but they do have outrageous amounts of money." -- Renly Baratheon
Why the hell was twyn considered a great military comander?He defeated two houses with more men then those houses could bring to battle,he "conquered" a city by treacery and killed a king by treacery On the field he was outpaced by robb stark at every turn.
The two houses he defeated had become the heads of an alliance amongst the Lannister vassals. They could've fielded an army large enough at the very least to turn the armed revolt into a full on civil war. The Reynes and Tarbeks had taken enormous loans from Tywin's father and refused to pay them. The roads were eaten up with bandits because the Reyenes and Tarbeks and their allies wanted the chaos to make the Lannisters look weak. When the recently knighted Ser Tywin returned from the War of Ninepenny Kings he sent his brother Kevan with a force of veteran knights from the war to clean up the bandit problem and issued a call for everyone who owed House Lannister to pay up or handover hostages.
Hell yeah, ASOIAF content! It seems you're going for book only content, so I have to do a little nit-picking, sorry lol You said "after the War of the Five Kings, Tyrion killed Tywin" or something, when the WotFK isn't really over yet, Stannis is still fighting in the North. But not really a big deal, glad to see you covering this great world!
Maybe, but probably not the iron borne had already conquered much of the riverlands and the crownlands harrenhal would’ve been impervious and House Gardner of the Reach was able to keep them busy for thousands of years, being there greatest rivals and never getting conquered so if Aegon didn’t invade not even all of House lannister’s army would’ve been able to deal with these threats as they didn’t have super weapons like dragons just armies and not every generation had a tywin or tyrion lannister on the throne
House Targaryen: OP AF with and even without dragons. However the mad ones and idiot ones ended up f*cking them over (Also the only family in fiction where they have an argument for incest). Baratheons: Great warriors and somewhat good leaders leaders, bad at everything else. House Tyrells: Were the richest house resource wise and have the largest army yet were still useless (yes the Battle of the Black Water victory was in huge part to them but after that they barely did anything). House Lannister: Half are 300 IQ geniuses or warriors, the other half make me reconsider the previous fact. House Arryn: Dear gods where do I begin? House Tully: Basically the House everyone bullies to feel good about themselves. House Stark: Might be overrated and the South constantly makes fun of it but *They. Get. Sh&t. Done.* Martells: Cool but overated (good you stopped 2 Targaryen invasions, its not like you had knowledge and information regarding how to fight them from the miraculous Rhoynish culture you have).
The best example of the difference between the modern Starks and Lannisters I've seen is the comment that "can you see a desperate alliance of the lesser lords of the Westerlands going through thirty foot deep snowdrifts in the middle of a terrible winter to besiege a notably ruthless Warlord to rescue Cersei? Yet Eddard's Bannermen are doing so. Tywin's let his children fail.
House Lannister is doomed. Jaime's gone. Cerceis gone. Tyrion won't last long. My only question is who will be the one to destroy the Lannister name. Oh, and by the way. 'We Do Not Sow'...
Entire house Lannister: 100% strength
House Lannister without Tywin: 0% Strength
House Lannister without Tyrion: -10% Strength
@@josephmoffatt4696 Correction- House Lannister BECAUSE OF Tyrion -10% strength
To be fair, Cersei orchestrated the downfall of a great house and was the first woman crowned as Queen Regnant.
@@ISAF_Ace more than that, about 30
They can't win without Tywin
Charles Dance's portrayal of Tywin Lannister is one of the rare cases where an adaptation surpassed the source material, don't deny it
Based
Won't deny it.
Facts
Facts
The battle is over. We have won!
And so he spoke, and so he spoke
That Lord of Castamere
But now the rains weep o'er his hall
With no one there to hear
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall
And not a soul to hear
Teufelstanz has the best version
I think the term "Pawns, not players" perfectly describes Tywin's greatest failure when leading his house. He was so fixated on taking the reigns and securing power for House Lannister that even the family he claimed to care for became nothing more than pieces on a board to him, leaving them unprepared and unfit to take over should something unfortunate happen to him.
An apt observation. Had each of his children felt his love in some way, they would have brought the Seven Kingdoms to their knees for him. Instead, they despised him and saw in him only a means of protecting themselves.
I don’t think he can be blamed for his kids incompetence. Sure loving them more would’ve helped a bit but I don’t think it would’ve changed the underlying issues. Jaime only ever had 2 things on his brain throughout his whole life: fighting and screwing Cersei. While Cersei is just crazy and has been since day one. He gave his kids a house Lannister that was at the top of the world and in mere months Cersei has done her best to ruin it all. You can blame Tywin for tyrion though.
@@connorgolden4 I think he can, though. We only ever saw Tywin admire Jaime based on his abilities, and did little to harness Cersei’s passion into something productive. Had he displayed some unconditional love for them, they could have dealt with losing their mother and bore the weight of their responsibilities like adults. “When soldiers lack discipline, the fault lies with their commander,” and the same goes for children and parents.
If not out of love, than at least out of pragmatism, he built that house with him as it's keystone. He seemed to act like there was little to no chance of him dying before his ambitions were met even though in both versions he was getting on in years. The most he did to "Prepare" his children for rulership is to tell them to cut their shit only to treat them as his tools right afterwards. So when he did croak, what did he leave behind? a tyrant, a drunkard, a literal child and a loyal mutt. Tyrion at least was the most capable of his children, but even he couldn't do much more in the end than play vizier for the only woman in Westeros more power hungry than Cersei
He was doomed even if his children were great people. He fetishised pragmatism above and beyond reason; being certain that it was perfectly fine to make as many enemies as you like so long as you are more powerful than any of them, and finding out that even though this can make you strong for a time, as soon as that strength slips instead of just losing status and standing, instead they were utterly destroyed. Everything Tywin did to take power sowed the seeds of the political disasters that propelled the Lannisters to power and eventually destroyed them, and that is the point.
And who are you, the proud lord said..
That I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat…
That's all the truth I know
In a coat of gold or a coat of red
A lion still has claws
“A lion doesn't concern itself with the opinion of sheep.”
- Tywin Lannister
"Any man who must say 'I am king' is no true king at all."
- Tywin Lannister
House Stark has pet dire wolves.
House Targaryen has pet dragons.
I have never heard of House Lannister having lions. What does that tell you?
@@josephmoffatt4696 House Lannister made pets out of dragons and stags.
@@TheCJUN this is the best Tywin quote ever
And that's why he lost. Tywin decided that winning was the only thing that mattered, sacrificed everything but winning to win more, and then found out that when you do this and stop winning you lose everything.
Last time I was this early the Reynes of Castamere and the Tarbecks of Tarbeckhall still existed
And here I was thinking power is the amount of energy transferred or converted per unit time.
That joke is terrible and I find it hilarious. I want more.
If this answer don't give you the Iron Throne, it will give you the Mechanics link in your maester's chain.
@@agbottan ''Maester, Ser Jaime lost his hand, what should we do?''
''Flesh is week'' *pulls out the golden hand*
The last time I was this early the Starks were still drinking their coffee in Starbuck cups.
Tbh Tywin kinda dug House Lannister’s grave. He concentrated so much power into himself and demanded so much obedience from his children to execute his plans he practically ensured there would never be a reliable replacement for him after his death. And after the amount of enemies he made during his time as the head of the House, this made the Lannisters doomed to fall
Damn bro that's a nice comment, shame ur wrong.
The power was concentrated onto tywin because his children were all worthless idiots. Its not his fault he was built different
@@ISAF_Ace Tyrion?!?
@@youtubeuser8232 Even if Tywin recognized Tyrion's intelligence and cunning he still would not have groomed him to take over the house. His vassals would never respect a dwarf and letting one take over the house would lead to endless chaos in the west.
Tyrion because kind of just another character about 3/4 of the way into GOT, say what you like but he became a bit of dead weight near the end.
he was also legendarily petty and cruel for no reason, especially to his son Tyrion. If he had accepted his wife's death and acted a bit more honorably perhaps he'd still be alive.
I remember Tywin actually met Ripley on a prison planet. I can recognise that sexy voice anywhere.
He was also the Patrician of Ankh'Morpork
@@weldonwin Huh, I was not aware of that, but the casting makes perfect sense!
Only ten minutes and still better than the final season.
Lol yeah crikey
I love that Templin completely leaves out the events of the 2 final seasons.
@@doublep1980 I think they're covering the books. They usually do.
A Lannister Always Pays His Debts.
*the short man*
A Lannister Always pays his Debts.
Until he doesn't.
Except to those they have wronged.
@@josephmoffatt4696 Not all depts are of gratitude.
@@molliethomas2585 Tywin and Cersei have made that abundantly clear.
Sad not to hear about Lord Regent Kevan Lannister who helped his house to almost regain their dominant position.
Exactly. People often speak about Tywin centralising power too much, but Kevan was a might of his own. Not Tywin's level, but far from pathetic, even in comparison.
It would be interesting to see some insight into the Empire of the Dawn, the Long Night, and the Age of Heroes as well
Didn’t Tywin Lannister retrieved the left head of King Ghidorah?
The dragon has three heads? So does the devil...
Eeeeehhh. Lmao
Thank the gods, you're doing the book versions.
House Baratheon next my good sir!
Yeah struth
The baratheons are my favorite tbh. They're all just so badass lmao, no doubt from their Durrandon ancestry.
Yes!
depending on how things go i think it’s safe to say the institute has a thing for red wearing armies with a flair for the dramatic
Do the House Targaryen of Dragonstone, King's Landing and Summerhall
*Power lies where people think it lies.*
Always love your videos about Game of thrones lore!
A Lannister always pays his debts!!!
A Lannister always pays his debts.
I've love to see templin delve into the petty kings of GOT. My favorite is house Gardener. If they ever do a GOT video again.
Gardeners were definitely NOT a "petty kings". Redwynes, Hightowers and others maybe but Gardeners no. Along with the Lannister kings of the rock those two great western monarchs reigned supreme when it comes to power and prestige for thousands od years!
The greatest house in later Westerosi history. As the northerners chose isolation, the Baratheon sat on their fat throne and the Targaryen‘s descended into madness the Lannisters established Peace and security
Nope. Cersei, Geoffrey and Tywin brought unspeakable suffering over all of Westeros. I dont know the books though, only the show.
@@abraham2172
in the books it was even worse
@@abraham2172 Tywin kept the land rich and at peace. Everybody knew that. This made Aerys upset and started to push him away. The Targaryens started a Rebelion that ended the peace. The Lannisters aren't psychos who just want to torture people, they enjoy peace just as everybody else, but don't mock or try to take power away of them (as the Tyrells did). Also, the suffering of the people was created by all of the houses who participated to war.
I love how the video just ends with Season 6
I love it how everyone is singing the Rains of Castamere xD
Fantastic! I hope you'll do an extensive indept videos of the other houses and events too 😄
You can't spell tywin without win
WINTER IS COMING! The watch must be prepared. Defend the wall!
Kevan Lannister were clearly the best Lannister
"But what about the TV adaptation of Game of Thrones?"
*Source Redacted*
There is a worthy successor to the Rock, and though he is small, he casts a very large shadow.
Been expecting a video on House Lannister for a very long time. I'm still waiting for Winds of Winter, but it'll be interesting how much of the fate of House Lannister will be like HBO Game of Thrones.
Anyway, I hope you'll do the other Great Houses of Westeros somewhere down the line.
Surrounded by Lannisters
Can we just admit that this is a video about Tywin?
Fire and Blood. Next better be the Targaryens
Maybe this will tell us on why the lannister armies slowly march taking mini steps over, and over, and over, and over....
Thank you the English subtitle.
Now do the hand of the queen the half-man scarred lion
templin: tywin had been killed by tyrion
me: and what a way to go it was
You guys have to do all of the great houses now.
Tywin made House Lannisters biggest strength its biggest weakness
Well this is spooky.. I just started watching all of GoT for the first time. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!
You miss many of import points as well as state inaccurate points such as Tywin’s cautious approach to the defiance caused a rift between the king and him.
"You have to give it to the Lannisters - they may be the pompous, ponderous cunts the gods ever suffered to walk the world, but they do have outrageous amounts of money." -- Renly Baratheon
Yes, House Lannister is my favorite house
As a big fan of this channel i hope you make more videos about game of thrones
Least you didn’t included the tv elements. As the saying goes, “A Lannister always pays their debt”
Why use the tv show when there's enough in the books?
we're all hyped for AGOT's spotlight in modcon on july are we not?
tomorrow!
altho AGOT is only my close second (Lannister/ Baratheon playthrough all the way)
my main focus will be ATE (In the name of the founders!)
And who, are you?
The proud lord said,
that I must now so low?
Only a cat; of a different coat, that's all the truth I know.
tyrion still has the wit and strength, and he is the only heir to casterly rock, as jamie has forfeited that by joining the kings guard
Why the hell was twyn considered a great military comander?He defeated two houses with more men then those houses could bring to battle,he "conquered" a city by treacery and killed a king by treacery
On the field he was outpaced by robb stark at every turn.
Fear is a powerful tool.
Robb never faced Tywin on field
Robb never faced tywin
The two houses he defeated had become the heads of an alliance amongst the Lannister vassals. They could've fielded an army large enough at the very least to turn the armed revolt into a full on civil war. The Reynes and Tarbeks had taken enormous loans from Tywin's father and refused to pay them. The roads were eaten up with bandits because the Reyenes and Tarbeks and their allies wanted the chaos to make the Lannisters look weak. When the recently knighted Ser Tywin returned from the War of Ninepenny Kings he sent his brother Kevan with a force of veteran knights from the war to clean up the bandit problem and issued a call for everyone who owed House Lannister to pay up or handover hostages.
@@adamantiiispencespence4012
That it is not a reasont to be a great military commander.
O no, the memories... the pain... the series... the final season, its all coming back! (How's the books doing by the way?)
George is hoping to finish winds by the end of the year
I think George was busy writing Elden Ring but with that game seemingly almost done, I think he’ll getting back to work on the book series.
Please do the Frieza Force next.
I challenge you trial by combat!
Best house
Change my mind
A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep
Please do Section 31 and the Impossible Missions Force.
_Hear me roar._
Incest is wincest.
- Cercei Lannister
And who are you, the proud lord said…
By what right does the wolf judge the lion
here me Roar
Well done, as always. If you do ASoIaF content in the future, it'd be cool to see something on the Prophecy of Azor Ahai.
Hell yeah, ASOIAF content!
It seems you're going for book only content, so I have to do a little nit-picking, sorry lol
You said "after the War of the Five Kings, Tyrion killed Tywin" or something, when the WotFK isn't really over yet, Stannis is still fighting in the North. But not really a big deal, glad to see you covering this great world!
Tywin was the coolest
This is awesome.
When are you going to post a video about House Targaryen ?
do Far Harad from LOTR next!
Are you finally finishing up this series?
if it wouldn't for dragons Lannisters would have conquered much of Westeros
Maybe, but probably not the iron borne had already conquered much of the riverlands and the crownlands harrenhal would’ve been impervious and House Gardner of the Reach was able to keep them busy for thousands of years, being there greatest rivals and never getting conquered so if Aegon didn’t invade not even all of House lannister’s army would’ve been able to deal with these threats as they didn’t have super weapons like dragons just armies and not every generation had a tywin or tyrion lannister on the throne
Hear me roar…
Any chance of adding a search button in the ideas page?
Do House Tyrell pls🏵️
So how and when did he become the shield of Lannisport?
Do the house of Targeryen the true Queen of the seven kingdoms
You all should read the books.
Nice
House Targaryen: OP AF with and even without dragons. However the mad ones and idiot ones ended up f*cking them over (Also the only family in fiction where they have an argument for incest).
Baratheons: Great warriors and somewhat good leaders leaders, bad at everything else.
House Tyrells: Were the richest house resource wise and have the largest army yet were still useless (yes the Battle of the Black Water victory was in huge part to them but after that they barely did anything).
House Lannister: Half are 300 IQ geniuses or warriors, the other half make me reconsider the previous fact.
House Arryn: Dear gods where do I begin?
House Tully: Basically the House everyone bullies to feel good about themselves.
House Stark: Might be overrated and the South constantly makes fun of it but *They. Get. Sh&t. Done.*
Martells: Cool but overated (good you stopped 2 Targaryen invasions, its not like you had knowledge and information regarding how to fight them from the miraculous Rhoynish culture you have).
@Andre hill Indeed, they'd have made westeros late medieval france with all the courtly pageantry and all
Could you do a 01 machine nation video from the Matrix trilogy?
They did
We need your expertise to explain the Speed Wagon Foundation.
-This post was made by an extremely unhealthy Jojo Fan.
They're broke and broken
The best example of the difference between the modern Starks and Lannisters I've seen is the comment that "can you see a desperate alliance of the lesser lords of the Westerlands going through thirty foot deep snowdrifts in the middle of a terrible winter to besiege a notably ruthless Warlord to rescue Cersei? Yet Eddard's Bannermen are doing so. Tywin's let his children fail.
Is this based off the books
Ja
People forget GOT is an outstanding series on its own sadly so much ptsd from the show.
269th .. yeah
And who are you?
Commenting 4 algorithm
Comment for statistics
YAAAS
/nitpick/
1:58 "post huumusly?
It's 'post-hugh-mus-lee'.
/nitpick/
House Lannister is doomed. Jaime's gone. Cerceis gone. Tyrion won't last long. My only question is who will be the one to destroy the Lannister name. Oh, and by the way. 'We Do Not Sow'...
I checked the privy earlier, Tywin Lannister did not shit gold!
16th🔥
remove random crits
more game of thrones
man season 8 was so bad they arent calling it game of thrones anymore lol
Does anyone even care about GoT anymore? D&D saw to that