What Different Shaped Flights Do To Darts

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
  • Our top team throw darts with different shaped flights to explain to you all the different ways in which they fly through the air and what you can expect to find when changing the shape of the flight.
    Matthew Edgar and Andy Cornwall look through the 4 key shapes of dart flight, Standard, Slim, Kite and Pear to help you find the right flight for your dart.
    #darts #howtoplaydarts #learndarts

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  • @timosaareste8655
    @timosaareste8655 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Glad to see Mission brought on Matt. His equipment videos on his channel EdgarTV are great!

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      We are glad to have him on board, great team of knowledgable people at Mission Darts now !

  • @lewismcauliffe
    @lewismcauliffe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Amazing to see Matt with Mission. Great addition to the team. Does this mean his own signature dart in the works?

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I think you are on to something..

    • @lewismcauliffe
      @lewismcauliffe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@missiondarts 🤩

  • @christopherjones5715
    @christopherjones5715 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Happy to see Mission brought Matt on board... great addition!

  • @skye563
    @skye563 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for the lesson , there is so much information to the sport

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Our pleasure!

  • @williamfotiou7577
    @williamfotiou7577 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Congratulations Edgar and Mission!

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you !

  • @mathewmusladin4556
    @mathewmusladin4556 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thought I would use nothing but standard flights. Found Velos. Love 'em!

    • @knutvoberg4236
      @knutvoberg4236 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's always nice when you seem to have found the perfect equipment. Unfortunately, the honeymoon phase often doesn't last very long. After a while, I had really crazy deflections with the Velos because of the four, very elastic ends ... If you also struggle with this at some point: the Kite flights from one80 are more than 15% larger than the normal Kite flights from other manufacturers and have the same VAX value as the Velos: 3.9 out of 5.

  • @paulwatterson1688
    @paulwatterson1688 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fantastic video which is presented well by the guys. Thank you, looking forward to more

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Our pleasure! - Exciting times ( and videos ) ahead..

  • @mattw4838
    @mattw4838 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Length and weight of dart will also play a part here too. But I've found more than anything it's the length of stem that plays the biggest part in how a dart flies through the air.
    As others have said, you really have to experiment and various manufacturers sell tune up kits which come with different length shafts and different shape flights. you need the right combination of both through trial and error to discover what set up works best.

  • @mathewmusladin4556
    @mathewmusladin4556 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Always had crazy deflections with any flight. That's what happens with tight groupings. Have used the Velos for over a year now. Scores way better. The deflections are offset by way tighter groupings. Again, thought I would use nothing but pentathlon standard. I was wrong as I'm hitting many more 180's per session now.
    Thank you and have a great day!

  • @knutvoberg4236
    @knutvoberg4236 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A good introduction for beginners. But a few comments: It's funny that 2 of the 4 shapes shown are not offered by MISSION. The Slim shown have parallel edges, although the Slim flights from MISSION are trapezoidal and significantly larger. The last flights are, as Matt correctly said, Pear Flights (with the small tip at the top), but MISSION only offers the Teardrop Shape (circular at the top). This teardrop flight (even though MISSION also calls it the pear shape) actually stabilises the dart slightly better than the kite shape from MISSION, which is slightly smaller than the kite from some other manufacturers. In my opinion, the comparison of the insertion angles of all 4 flights at the end is therefore only correct for the standard and slim flight. Perhaps you would have noticed that the kite and pear/teardrop fly almost identically if one of you had thrown the kite and pear. In the Edgar TV video from 3 July 2020, you can see that the kites and teardrops (MISSION and Harrows Retina have exactly the same shape here) have the same insertion angle.

  • @thomassf3
    @thomassf3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really helpful - thanks for this!!

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're very welcome!

  • @teedubinaz3499
    @teedubinaz3499 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great info, thanks!

  • @retired8123
    @retired8123 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Any tips or videos on getting my fingers on the dart the same way every time without looking at the dart

  • @WildNomadicFilms
    @WildNomadicFilms 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great job Matt, very professional

  • @TheADL180
    @TheADL180 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant insight. Thanks Team Mission

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, more to come..

  • @edbradford7761
    @edbradford7761 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Are there any plans to do different sizes within the ranges of flight shapes?

  • @justanotheroldcomment.4582
    @justanotheroldcomment.4582 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When it comes to dart flights, the best advice really is to experiment with different flights and figure out which one suits you best, sometimes you may have to change the flights if you change the barrels or make the stems longer or shorter.
    Phil Taylor is one example, he went from pear flights in the late 80s - early 2000s to slim flights in the early 2000s - late 2000s to vapour s flights in the late 2000s - present day.
    All because he changed his barrels throughout the years as he went from a mid weighted barrel to a front weighted barrel design.

  • @chrisb4331
    @chrisb4331 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. I’ll keep this in mind when finally buying some darts. And Matt is great too 👍

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or just buy a board and pretend..

  • @jdaniel0907
    @jdaniel0907 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Trial and error is what it boils down to. Over the years my darts have changed - getting shorter and faster with slim shaped flights. Started with standard, then threw with pears for years and years.

  • @jordanmoores4973
    @jordanmoores4973 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kites are perfect in my opinion. Little bit less stable but still stable and makes my throw faster. Less deflections too

  • @ryansheppard4663
    @ryansheppard4663 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Very informative. Much appreciated guys. Well done!

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @geraldhills41
    @geraldhills41 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Small flights worked very well for Phil Taylor !

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As did a 1 finger 1 thumb grip...

  • @drakkondarkblood6638
    @drakkondarkblood6638 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I was playing I tried all different flights and picked tear drop/pear flights, seen everyone using standards, but they just wouldn't fly properly, I was using a very short dart though, think they were about 10 - 12cm (4 - 5in) tip to tail.

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sometimes a short dumpy barrel doesn't work with standard - Phil Taylor was a classic example of this

  • @ricochet_180
    @ricochet_180 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I did an extensive experiment about a year ago with multiple flights and stem length, Pear, Slims and Standard flights and short, medium, and Long Stems.
    Conclusion = I now use a fixed stem and flight system, i.e Condor Axe, L with the standard flight shape.
    The weight of the barrel is also a tricky one to get right, but after starting at 21g moving to 26g and working my way down, I now use the Target Bolides 03 24g, what a dart.
    ADC, WDF in 2024 and QSCHOOL 2025 Better watch out lol 😂

  • @madlymatthew34
    @madlymatthew34 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Matt I really struggle with standard flights and they alway land low, and block the treble so I switched to kite flights and my darts are in at all different angles but I don't really get that low dart anymore what would be the best flight for me to use?

    • @dirtyharry2029
      @dirtyharry2029 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Try Shape flights. Similar to standards but slightly smaller. This is what I use for this very reason.

    • @MaxPower417
      @MaxPower417 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@dirtyharry2029 This is the exact progression I went through and for the same reasons mentioned here. Well “L3” in L-style lingo which is my current setup.
      In any case, would recommend those as a middle ground to try.

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Perhaps try a small standard no 6 shape

  • @shaymo1276
    @shaymo1276 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    how do you find using soft tips? would you recommend any in particular?

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thats quite a complex answer, maybe a video to come on that..

  • @NedMethod
    @NedMethod 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    sick video

  • @salamonlaszlolibrarian
    @salamonlaszlolibrarian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why 270 light? Can't see the flight

  • @skeller61
    @skeller61 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Flights are cheap enough, you might as well get several different shapes. That way, you can try them all with any darts you buy, since the weight distribution in the dart combined with your throw may do better with a different shape. Disclaimer: I can’t play darts well, but it’s fun trying.

  • @aapddd
    @aapddd 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I heard that Ryan Searle left Loxley also. Perhaps he joined Mission ??

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We heard that too........

    • @knutvoberg4236
      @knutvoberg4236 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, he joined Harrows.

  • @danielbaldwin2390
    @danielbaldwin2390 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What would you suggest for someone who uses standard flights and still gets a relatively straight entry angle. My release is heavy and I get comments about how heavily I throw, but when I’ve tried to alter it I’ve got all messed up. Soft throws aren’t something I’m ever going to be comfortable with. I wouldn’t mind more of an upward angle though.

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A good idea would be a front weighted dart or of course a Mission Precision session :)

  • @SloopJohnBee-vq6dw
    @SloopJohnBee-vq6dw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It depends on the dart weight big time. I throw Red Dragon 10 gram and the best flight I have found for them is pear shape.

  • @Fuertededardos
    @Fuertededardos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello, I currently use kite type feathers and my darts fall a little low as if the feather was facing the ground, what can I do with that?

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You best bet is to buy a research pack that has a set of each shapes and experiment

  • @MrDanallman
    @MrDanallman 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I personally think its how to throw the dart because I have tried every different shaped flight and stem there is and my darts always land flat.

  • @pumpvolumes
    @pumpvolumes 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    slim for me, slightly point up, never been able to throw standards, land way too point down

  • @LLooter
    @LLooter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I use standard flights and my darts sit downward in the board most of the time cant figure out why

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Most likely griping past the balance point

  • @Slater_darts
    @Slater_darts 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Doesn’t how the dart is balanced play a bigger factor like if you have a very front heavy dart you can still get an upward angle with a smaller flight?

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes the balance is something we talk about a lot

    • @Slater_darts
      @Slater_darts 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ll have to save the money and come down for a fitting see where I’ll be different 😅

  • @thadonis.
    @thadonis. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    4:28 Can't deviohwait from an Edgar video.

  • @darthopper7874
    @darthopper7874 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wouldn't the only scientific way to evaluate flights be with a robot for true consistent speed and release point? Andy said the dart was coming out of his hand very inconsistently. How could the shape of the flight affect how the dart comes out of your hand?

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We didn't have a robot handy sorry...The shape of flight absolutely affects how it comes out of your hand, there are 3 points to the dart arriving at the board, the release, the flying, the landing, the smaller the flight the faster and different angle it comes out of your hand.

  • @jakamneziak
    @jakamneziak 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder if there is much difference between no 2 standards and no 6 standards which taper slightly unwards? Im convinced there is but would like a second opinion.

    • @knutvoberg4236
      @knutvoberg4236 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The No.2 shape (VAX: 4.5 out of 5) actually shows a completely different flight behaviour than the No.6 shape (VAX: 3.8 out of 5): No.2 has 10.2% more surface area and is also 3 mm wider.

    • @jakamneziak
      @jakamneziak 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What does VAX stand for please? Thanks for the information.@@knutvoberg4236

  • @petersalinas8350
    @petersalinas8350 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does the width of the barrel play a role as well?? 🤔

    • @jacobgallaugher
      @jacobgallaugher 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Width less. Weight, length of stem, etc. all play a role. The results he gave are a very simplistic way of saying "you have to try different weight barrels, stems, and flights to find what works for you."

    • @petersalinas8350
      @petersalinas8350 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate that! I throw the phil taylor gen 4s with the kite flights. They land in the board pretty flat, which I like for stacking. But was wondering if I'd be more consistent with the standard flights?

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am sure we will do a future video on barrel shapes

  • @LGGksiLOL
    @LGGksiLOL 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What darts is andy using in this video!

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All will be revealed in a couple of months....

  • @user-yp2ic9du1x
    @user-yp2ic9du1x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What darts is Andy useing?

    • @markl577
      @markl577 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Designa Mustang darts, own a set myself & they are great. 👍🏻

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You never know these could be a prototype for a new Mission range....

  • @daniellewis4226
    @daniellewis4226 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I find the comments there in relation to the angle of entry are only relevant to the barrel weight and length, also the stem length and weight. I've experimented with lots of combinations over the years. If they had tried different types and shapes and weights of barrels you can get different effects with those types of flight. That was far from conclusive in my view.

  • @jed_91
    @jed_91 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Edger to misson since when

    • @missiondarts
      @missiondarts  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He is fully on board with TeamMission now..watch this space Matt and Andy have some great videos planned

    • @jed_91
      @jed_91 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@missiondarts misson are on mission 2024 good choose matt edger

  • @Davidhughes9467
    @Davidhughes9467 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I was a kid I used to try every flight stem dart ect still not a world champion 😂

  • @DirkieB
    @DirkieB 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Makes me consider pears actually. I’ll see if I have a set in my stuff drawer! Probably do tbh! Thanks for the tips!

  • @darts-multiverse
    @darts-multiverse 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nothing astonishing and sensational. It is astonishing, that so few people ruminate and contemplate about the shape of the flights and how they can make them better to optimize the trajectory. Don't they possess scissors at home ?

    • @knutvoberg4236
      @knutvoberg4236 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because consistency plays such an important role in darts, you have to work very precisely with a pair of scissors to reduce all 12 wings to the exact same size and shape. On the other hand, some people also play with 3 flights fanned out at completely different angles (between 90° and some that are almost as flat as in the darts case). They can then cut them with a pair of scissors - it makes no difference anymore ...

    • @darts-multiverse
      @darts-multiverse 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@knutvoberg4236 Yes, you must cut very precisely every flight to the exact same size. Most simple cut means 2 cuts per flight (2 wings at once). Than the next, which you underlay under this flight and cut all around. And you can also use the overprint or the imprinted design of the flight to cut precisely and even. A little bit practice and it goes perfectly. What is the problem further ?

  • @johnwilson6707
    @johnwilson6707 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    there is no standard flights

  • @tmucca93
    @tmucca93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yesss! @edgartv

  • @daveyjones5702
    @daveyjones5702 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i don't think the actual shape makes any difference.
    it's purely a matter of surface area and drag, which needs to be balanced with the weight of the dart.
    i use 2 types: standards on most, but slims on anything 18 grams and below.

    • @rossrobson91
      @rossrobson91 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well the surface area of dart flights is down to shape so clearly the actual shape matters lol.

    • @daveyjones5702
      @daveyjones5702 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rossrobson91 lol fair enough.