PMDG 737 | Go Around Tutorial by Real 737 Pilot
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ม.ค. 2017
- Welcome to FlightDeck2sim. In this tutorial I will attempt to fly a perfect(ish) Go Around!
Join me as I conduct an Dual Channel Approach into Dublin (EIDW/DUB) ILS CAT III and then fly a Dual Channel G/A with detailed explanation and guidance of the entire procedure and how to reconfigure the aircraft safely after a missed approach.
I do apologise because at certain points in the video I do seem to shout down the microphone, it's only my 2nd ever recorded video and next time I'll tone down my enthusiastic instructing!
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All guidance in my tutorials are based on operating procedures from a UK operator, I have almost 4000 hours on the 737-800 (The real one) and I'm also a full time TRI working in a full motion Level D simulator.
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FD2S
You are creating sooo nice videos!!!!! Thank you so much
Thanks! Glad you enjoy them!
FD2S
Could you do a go-around demonstration just after the final turn of a circle to land please?
Nice. Don't do a lot of G/As in sim, but it's nice to know that the second AP is needed for that non-handflown procedure. Too bad PMDG gives incorrect warnings on the G/A for terrain and configs.
Fcreceptor asked some colleagues and and it's only in certain situations when the EGPWS knows you're low to the ground with a high rate of descent with the gear up it will give a "TOO LOW GEAR" warning. I've seen 100's of G/A's in the Sim and I've never heard "TOO LOW GEAR" after the gear has been raised after a positive rate of climb during the initial stages of the G/A.
And thus a legend was born
Hi there, just been refreshing my understanding of Go-around techniques in the ZIBO mod and found this awesome. Curious to see that flap retraction begins below 1000ft AAL, i.e. diff from initial climb proc.
Hi, great videos thank you. May I ask what you use to move around the virtual flightdeck so quickly, or is a lot of editing involved? Cheers
What if I'm doing a manual landing with AT off? Do I arm the AT and press toga? Or do I manually apply full thrust?
Very good question. With the A/T disconnected after pushing TO/GA you would have to manually set thrust, you could if you had the spare capacity reengage the A/T but it's certainly not in our SOP's and remember, the A/T FMA will not annunciate GA (One push of TO/GA) or N1 (2nd push of TO/GA)
Now with the A/T engaged one push of TO/GA would give you reduced go around thrust which is basically an N1 thrust setting which will give you between 1000 to 2000fpm rate of climb.
The 2nd push of TO/GA will give you full go-around thrust and the A/T will command the N1 G/A Bugs.
With the A/T disengaged a thrust setting slightly less than full G/A N1 will suffice, this setting will vary depending on the aircraft weight, typically something between 85%-90% N1 works fine. If in doubt set full G/A thrust (the green bug).
Hope this helped!
Thank you very much! :)
@@flightdeck2sim will the speed bug automatically goes up as shown in this video during manual FD go around? And will the MCP speed window become blank? Thx
@@user-hj4fu2hr1x Hi there!
Yes the speed bug automatically goes up based on flap retraction regardless of an A/P GA or Manually flown GA, speed window is blank until ALT ACQ.
If you would like a demonstration check out this stream from last month when I had to fly a go around!
th-cam.com/video/L_bD0WNkHiI/w-d-xo.html
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim Thanks! I really appreciate it!
Great stuff, thanks, looking for this procedure and really helpful. If you were on a visual approach (no auto pilot engaged, 737-800) and had to perform a go a round as instructed by atc vatsim) say at around 1100 ft agl. would you apply thrust first or flaps up first to 15 degrees, then gear up? I would think flaps since they take some time to retract to get to 15 degrees while thrust is more responsive, but I'm just guessing. Thanks again.
Thrust, flaps, gear. The last two don’t really matter what order but thrust always first.
Outstanding tutorial! My only issue with it is that at times it was spoken too fast. Outstanding tutorial!
Hi Abner, thanks for the feedback!
I'll admit when I started making tutorials for the community I was a little fast with the instruction. These tutorials are designed for experienced sim users of the 737 who want to take it to the next level. I can guarantee the information I’m providing is no different to what I’d give a cadet during their type rating.
Based on similar feedback I have slowed things down for people who are new to the 737 which you might notice with my newer tutorials.
FD2S
Thank you so much!! Looking forward watch all of this excellent work.
What addons did you use captain. Also really good video☺☺
when u select the roll mode, in this case it was LNAV would it have followed the missed approach procedure in most cases at a holding fix/etc - up until you get vectored around again - and could u re-populate the FMC with the same approach all over again?
Nice video flightdeck2sim. I have one question for you. Do you make this tutorials for real pilots / experts in flight simulators ? Because if you dont, maybe you can turn the aircraft sounds to low and speak a little slowly ?! Would be a great help for beginners.Thanks.
Hi Catalin. Thanks!
All my tutorials, despite getting the exact same tuition I give when teaching a type rating, are for entertainment purposes only and are not to be used to train line pilots.
This was one of the first tutorials I ever made, you'll find with my newer tutorials I've tweaked the audio so it's a lot clearer.
Have a great weekend!
FD2S.
Agreed!!! Great videos and lots of useful info, but please speak a bit slower :)
Hi Casba.
Based on similar feedback you should notice a difference with my newer tutorials 👍🏼
FD2S
Hi,
I've got a question regarding the speeds set by the autopilot during the Go Around.
When you selected TO/GA, the initial speed got set to 154kts, at which there after, when you set flaps 15, got set to 174kts, and then 184kts, etc. My understanding is that these values obviously change depending on VREF, weight etc.
However, I've not quite been able to see any correlation to why the speed is set to these exact values, as in they're not, for example, set to the flaps 15/5/1 bug-speed.
Hence, my question is: how are these speed values, during the Go Around, calculated and based on?
Thanks in advance!
Excellent Question.
The Speed Bug automatically moves with flap retraction and the bug represents the airspeed for each flap setting based on Maximum Take Off Weight so no matter what your weight you'll get the same conservative speeds on every missed approach.
Hope this helps!
FD2S
I'm not use that, I'm using hold, so I setting hold pattern on the runway wpt before the flight, adjust the distance, speed and Alt into a specific waypoint before the runway, then follow it with lnav, once estabilish runway, then I use ILS.
It's more simple way
Plz do the procedures with ATC communications
Great videos thanks. Can you explain the process if you get a go around when you are manually flying and not under autopilot.
Hi Steve, you're welcome!
With the A/P disconnected you would still get the F/D guidance, you just simply smoothly rotate to 15 degrees and then follow the F/D's!
With the A/T disconnected after pushing TO/GA you would have to manually set thrust, the A/T FMA will not annunciate GA (One push of TO/GA) or N1 (2nd push of TO/GA)
With the A/T disengaged a thrust setting slightly less than full G/A N1 will suffice, this setting will vary depending on the aircraft weight, typically something between 85%-90% N1 works fine. If in doubt set full G/A thrust (the green bug).
Hope this helped!
FD2S
Thanks for that. Would you at any time re-engage autopilot to follow the procedure or is this not possible ?
You're welcome!
Our SOP's state you can re-engage the A/P at the MAA but there is nothing stopping you from engaging it sooner.
FD2S
Ok thanks again, keep up the great work its good to learn the correct way to carry out procedures
Hello Captain, for my practice in MOGF 😂 this will help me. Is the speedbrake to be retracted after or during the G/A or maybe not ?
Would the procedures be the same if I am doing a non precision approach?
And also regarding to the MAP (Missed Approach Point) on approach charts, seems like you didn't mention anything about that. You only mentioned about the decision height. So what exactly is the MAP for, and is it related with low visibility approaches in conjunction with the decision height?
Hi Allan,
A NPA will have an MDA which occasionally coincides with a MAPt coded in the FMC. With VNAV we can fly a continuous descent to the MDA and if not visual we’ll fly a missed approach.
FD2S
Great video series. One question. How to do fly a missed approach if you only have a set of VOR radials?
Hi John, cheers!
We would only use the radials in the event of an FMC failure but we always back up all SIDS and Approaches with Raw Data.
You could follow it in the tradition sense and simply use HDG SEL to track the needles or you could use VOR/LOC to physically track the radial!
FD2S.
Ok great, thanks. Runway 26 at Orly has this scenario and it made sense to me to use the VOR/LOC to follow it. Thanks for the reply.
I have seen some sim pilots fly the final approach with A/P off, but leaving A/T in ARM mode (N1, Speed off). This apparently provides underspeed protection and reduces the workload a bit in the event of TO/GA. Is this a SOP with some companies? I always thought A/P and A/T should both be on or off together.
Hi Sean,
It could be, Boeing do not recommend using the Autothrottle with the Autopilot engaged except in Take Off and Climb, we disconnect both the A/T then A/P when flying manually.
I have trained pilots from other operators who did mention that they left the A/T in ARM on the approach. You're right regarding that in ARM the A/T will add thrust is the speed reduced to minimum maneuver speed.
FD2S
I have been trying to fly the RNAV 02 approach into MHTG. The final stage of the approach is a sharp turn onto finals with the autopilot and auto throttles disconnected. I have made a number of attempts but would like to know the procedure you would follow in the event of a go around. I keep making a complete mess of it. The MAP follows an RNAV path ending at MELVO where I assume the captain would hold in preparation for another attempt?
Hi Judith,
I'm unfamiliar with this airport and the missed approach procedure and don't have access to any charts. Missed approaches can vary in complexity! If it's programmed in the FMC correctly it should work if you use LNAV and push TO/GA following the flight directors. Some missed approaches however have to be flown in HDG SEL due to terrain.
FD2S
@flightdeck2sim Could you show a 737MAX go around with electric power to rear stabilizer disabled? This would require you or the co to use the manual roller to trim.
Oofff hard work! I did this in the Level D once (Total Loss of AC Power). I had to pitch pretty much full down when I added go around thrust! Would struggle on a PC desktop simulator doing this!
FD2S
Hi, FlightSim2Deck, I do my training in Touch & Go and Missed App. The question is, why after Touch & Go , then do a circle and want perform Missed App, I can't activate TOGA, I push the TOGA button but nothig happend (A/T activated) the plane is in approach attitude?
When doing touch and goes you don't want to be using any of the automation Philipp!
th-cam.com/video/gNZqTAkX3Uk/w-d-xo.html
FD2S
When I do a go around exit on my X=plane 11 on the B737-800 default sim and select exit hold and look to light on exec button it does not come on. Any suggestions.
also, selecting dir intc page and typing approach airport or waypoint and try to exec it the same thing happens no exec illumination.
Great video! I didn't quite understand how to set go around thrust when approaching manually. So you have to set go around thrust yourself? If i press toga it doesn't respond
I already found the answer. Thank you!
No problem! If the A/T is disconnected you have to set thrust manually!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim thank you for the answer :)
Hi Flightdeck2sim. I have a one question. What is mean the green circle in destination on Navigation Display ? I know how I make this but I don t know why we using this. Cheers :))
Hello,
After pressing TO/GA should I always retract flaps to 15?
Hi Oleg,
Yes so long as you're above VREF
FD2S
I am practicing go arounds having disconnected the AT and AP. At minimums I press TOGA and pitch up to follow the FDs, I retract landing flaps to 15 degrees and continue to follow the FDs as I trim accordingly and retract the gear and flaps. My problem is I cannot always reengage the AT. What are the requirements for AT engagement and do you have any idea what I might be doing wrong. I am very frustrated :-(
Hi Judith,
Should engage so long as both thrust levers are in the same position, without seeing first hand I can't really help!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Thank you
You use ezdok? Where can I get it ?thanks for video go around
Hello,
would it be possible for you to test Prosim737 ?
Its possible to fly a 30 min Evlution Version
Thanks .. would be really nice to hear what you think about that !!
hello FD2S ı have a question again :)))
if we have speed limitations (max 185 kt etc) for missed app. procedure .. will to/ga pitch mode follow the speed limitation or should we select vnav after passing 400 ft ....ı think we should select the vnav to adhere to speed limitation right ??
Hi Rahmican, no don't select VNAV, leave TO/GA engaged,
Leave your flaps at 5 which will bug 172kts. (Flap Maneuvering Speed based on MTOM)
FD2S
ı understand this is a good tecnique. but why should not ı select the vnav after 400 ft or vnav available (not below 400 ft) what will happen after select vnav ..ı think vnav will do same thing that you told me ( flaps 5 and bug 172 or something)
You could but TO/GA is designed to cater for go arounds.
Your thrust setting will also change from either reduced or full go around thrust to climb thrust.
It might alter at other operators but we hand fly missed approaches manually until the MAA and then re-engage the A/P 👍🏼
FD2S
Do I need to insert 3,000 feet in the Pressurization during Go Around? (Go-Around Altitude in this Example)
Looks like a silly Question .but please help.
No question as a silly question when it comes to aviation my friend!
There is no need, you can leave the cruise altitude in the overhead panel.
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim Thanks Sir :)
Boeing after touching the strip can no longer go back along the glide path? The previous route disappears and you can’t go back by autopilot to land?
For example, the A320 airbus synchronizes the previous route, after leaving for the second round, you can repeat the call on autopilot.
Airbus A320 in my opinion is much more technologically advanced and more convenient than 737
Hello out of a 100 landings how many result in a go around?
Hi Yo!
I've done three go arounds in my career (6 years) so statistically not very often at all! All them were due to weather as we couldn't see the runway at the height called minimums so you must execute a missed approach. It's a routine maneuver rehearsed every day during the briefing and practiced every six months in the simulator!
FD2S.
Hey FS2D i have a doubt. Is it possible to arm LNAV just after capturing the GS?
Hi Swapnil, it cannot be engaged but on newer 737's LNAV automatically arms in the event of a missed approach,
FD2S
Nope, newer generation 737NG’s have LNAV arm on approach 👍🏼
FD2S
All GA tutorials address it using AP. Is there any manual GA tutorial l?
Hi, great video!! I don't know when should I recycle the Flight directors, only when it's a non precision approach?? and if I have the autothrottle disarm and I apply TO/GA will the autothrottle arm automatically or do I have to arm it first and then apply TO/GA?? 🤔
How do you get the green circles around the destination airport? And what are they good for?
Hi IceCold99
Using the fix page on the FMC, select a WPT and then put /4 or /400 etc.
They’re used to increase situation awareness regarding the distance from whatever WPT you use
FD2S
Hey,
Thanks for the fast reply. Is it possible to enter the Airport ICAO code or the active runway of it? Like EDDM or EDDF etc.?
So the fix page is only for giving information how far the waypoint is away from the plane?
BR
Manuel
Yes you can enter the 4 letter ICAO code. You can also select the RWY designator (eg RW28) if the airports is selected as a DEP or ARR airport.
It’s primarily so you can pictorially see the distance on the ND. On the fix page you can see the direct radial and distance from said WPT.
FD2S
Hi Captain, is it possible to reject the G/A, e.g. you mistakenly push G/A button?
In the real aircraft when you push N1 button after take off(let's say above 800 ft before reaching Thrust reduction height ), does it set climb thrust? Or.. You can only manually set Climb thrust via N1 page (CDU)?
Hi Allan
We don't push N1, ARM will change automatically at the thrust reduction altitude (Defaulted to 1500ft based on my operators SOP's) it will command N1 and the A/T schedule change to CLB power.
FD2S
yes , I know that , but what if you push the N1 button ? , will there be any effect?
Hello, could you please do a tutorial for the zibo 737-800 on this? The fmc doesn't create a missed approach path there :/
Hi TyPlaysForLife,
Never attempted a GA in the MOD yet so not sure if it's behaving correctly, I think missed approaches are correctly coded in the FMC and TO/GA is fully implemented so it should work!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Hello, first of all thanks for your comment... I have filled in everything in the FMC, a landing using STAR's but it doesn't create a missed approach path. However it kinda does, but it shows a straight line... I haven't really had to do a G/A yet, and if I have to I will probably get given vectors of the ATC. But how about if I enter a holding point and enter the final of the runway... Anyways, if you're able to, could you have a look on it? Thanks alot! Regards.
Some missed approach are just climb ahead! It would say (VECTOR) and just a track to fly, could be this.
FD2S
flightdeck2sim ok thanks! Also, I've got one question... Which flight school did you go to and how did you build up your hours to get an unfrozen ATPL? And could you tell me the age at when you went? Thanks alot! Regards
I finished my A-Levels, self funded my PPL and went to Oxford Aviation Academy aged 20 funded by a bank loan. When I graduated I had around 300 hours total time on and managed to get a RHS job on the 737 within 6 months!
FD2S
What are your PC specs? Thank you and nice video!
Hi there,
This tutorial was on my old Dell XPS Laptop.
Intel Core i7 2.6 GHz, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, NVIDIA GeForce 750m.
Seeing people enjoy my videos I recently upgraded my PC which has these bits....
• Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake Processor/8MB L3 Cache
• Chillblast 120 CPU Water Cooler
• Asus PRIME Z270-P Motherboard
• 32GB DDR4 2400MHz
• 500GB Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Graphics Card
My latest tutorials were filmed on the new PC, you'll see a marked improvement in performance!
is in a real 737 a To/Ga button on the MCP on the left of the FD? I can't see a button when you press it
Hello again!
No there is no button on the MCP. The Two TO/GA switches are on the thrust levers!
FD2S.
flightdeck2sim ah ok. It always looks like you are clicking on that position. I guess you are using a shortcut. Thx again. Have a nice day :)
ThorAxeTheThunder the button is there but in real life it’s on the throttle levers. But when flying PMDG, for easy access it’s on MCP (invisible because it’s not meant to be there)
Exane Ah ok thx I read this actually a few days ago in the manual
In the early days you said basically to much. lol
"Basically" seems to be your favorite word , never heard it so many times in a few minutes. The awful loud background noise in combination with your extremely fast speaking makes it impossible to follow you and learn something from you, unfortunately.
Basically, this tutorial is over 5 years old and was in fact the first ever time I had ever recorded and edited a video!
I'm getting far more familiar with making tutorials now and I've finessed my delivery, you might have noticed with my latest tutorials the voice is a little louder as I've tweaked the recording software to increase the volume of my microphone.
These videos are recorded live and are not rehearsed beforehand so sometimes the delivery can seem rushed as I try to balance what I want to tell my followers and what doesn't really apply! However ANY feedback or criticism is taken on board!
Video editing, computer programming is certainly not my strong point and it will improve over time!
I hope you find my other tutorials useful.
Kind Regards,
flightdeck2sim