just some random thoughts: - better invite an artist / people with art history background as one of the panelists since they can clarify the differences between art making, art itself, art appreciation and the purposes of art in different context - as a saying goes "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", I wonder whether an art interpreter (beholder ) can be counted as an "artist" who gives art a significant meaning. If so, can an object with a significant form be defined as an artwork too in a way that the beholder intentionally gives it a meaning and values that object as an artwork? If so, do you see an exhibition curator as an "artist" too since their job is to intentionally articulate(/convey) a point of view by choosing a list of suitable artworks? - perhaps a brief categorisation of art from different eras according to its styles, significances & purposes / looking at different art movements can help define art. - you could also mention Oscar Wilde's "Art's for art's sake" when mentioning "interest & disinterest" looking forward to the next episode!
鹽叔釐清同整理嘅能力真係好強
係, 聽甘仔講野都幾辛苦, 舉好多例子但唔知論點係咩, 好在有鹽叔
@@kirkmok4590 真,好亂。
7:17 藝術作為情感上的溝通 (by托爾斯泰)
有對象
31:47 藝術作為情感的表達 (by Collingwood)
有意識地釐清混沌的自我情感+形式
53:31 藝術作為有意味的形式Significant form (by Clive Bell)
Matter: 元素 (e.g. 顏色、形狀)
Form: 元素的組合方式 佈局
咩係significant form: 觀者有universal ecstasy(狂喜)脫離世俗
當一個人好有熱誠做緊自己最中意既野既時候, 真係好CHARM 好吸引. 唔好話咩留言唔討論內容, 我已經立即番睇左一次, 學左好多野.
希望多啲人去嘗試了解藝術
唔係放低一句「藝術嘅野識條鐵」咩就拒絕接收
太多人用左實用,經濟價值去睇藝術
我覺得會少左好多樂趣 都抽離唔到既有嘅生活形式同框框
四哥雀躍到一個點…成個人着咗燈咁💡光芒四射🎆
現場都係靠佢打燈
四哥本身就係嗰盞燈
只要係講藝術既, 一定好好睇
好喜歡哩一集
因為自己本身係讀art出身,但對於自己點解要做作品嘅原因由final year俾教授提問開始直到畢業咗幾年都未搵到一個令自己滿嘅答案
當中有一部份原因係個人對藝術定義嘅執著,怕自己所畫嘅畫稱唔上為真正嘅藝術,但藝術嘅定義又係咩呢?
今集講咗好多唔同哲學家嘅觀點都好有趣。期待會有下一集更深入探討藝術哩個議題!
希望有再多一集, 提昇香港人對於藝術的認知👍
四哥條褲實在太突出,四哥鬼馬地讓自己對腳展示一件藝術品,externalize 使人帶出一個心花露放嘅情感!配上黑鞋灰襪更令條褲更悦目耀眼。
我從事表演藝術,好想聽四哥再分享多啲藝術價值,新形式主義等概念,然後想聽其他嘉賓主持提出多啲問題❤️❤️👏🏻
有4gor,即like定先
想聽四哥講藝術
作為藝術學生,今集真係睇得好開心!! 想聽多啲關於點教育藝術同點評賞藝術嘅野❤️❤️love四哥😻
出下d相講下會易明好多
我諗好多人未睇過Duchamp個"This is art"尿兜
原來甘仔都幾靚仔
好qq
正,好多反思,四個人一齊討論既碰撞有花火,探究到吾同角度跨時間既睇法。
喜歡探究藝術這topic!! 可令普羅大眾多思考咩係藝術,或睇一件藝術作品時多層諗法!! 期望再聽多d!
50:36 精華
喺office聽,笑咗出聲 lol
1:03:20離開世俗脫離身份地位嘅感覺,香港人稱(有仙氣)😊
“ There really is no such thing as Art. There are only artists.”- E.H Gombrich
討論很有啟發性,要定義藝術其實好難,近乎不可能,事關藝術其中一種特質就是可能性,要定義(它)就好比用手抓住時間一樣。而藝術牽涉到人的行為動機,這是比起理性/感性更廣闊的領域,無從說起...
支持四哥講多啲藝術相關題目!
just some random thoughts:
- better invite an artist / people with art history background as one of the panelists since they can clarify the differences between art making, art itself, art appreciation and the purposes of art in different context
- as a saying goes "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", I wonder whether an art interpreter (beholder ) can be counted as an "artist" who gives art a significant meaning. If so, can an object with a significant form be defined as an artwork too in a way that the beholder intentionally gives it a meaning and values that object as an artwork? If so, do you see an exhibition curator as an "artist" too since their job is to intentionally articulate(/convey) a point of view by choosing a list of suitable artworks?
- perhaps a brief categorisation of art from different eras according to its styles, significances & purposes / looking at different art movements can help define art.
- you could also mention Oscar Wilde's "Art's for art's sake" when mentioning "interest & disinterest"
looking forward to the next episode!
推 我都想知!
經由呢一小時既片,我已經明白咩係藝術啦
只要將以上的理論加埋係一齊就得啦
即係1.我有表達既情感意圖
2.以某一種技巧形式表達出黎
3.有人經由作品而感受到共嗚
只要我表達情感,有人收到,咁呢個過程就係藝術
當然表達得好唔好,就影響多唔多人收到,收到幾多,就係藝術好唔好既分別
好,我E家開始就係藝術家啦~好屎唔代表我唔係啊,話唔定幾千年幾萬年之後有人挖到我D創作,終於有人明解我,咁我一樣係藝術家
我相信「你好四哥呀」係褒義。
感謝每位老師
個人覺得托爾斯泰講左藝術嘅其中一種effect(或某些類型嘅藝術的功能/目的),又或者係幫助到「某些類形嘅藝術」區分出好同差嘅作品嘅方式。 但我覺得,點樣為之好嘅藝術作品,同點樣為之藝術其實可以分開唻講。
重溫左先 再睇番第2集
係四哥至可以carry到呢條褲
演奸角個例子好似有 d問題:傳遞情感個機制係藝術品 (例如一段殺完人之後奸笑嘅戲) 作為一個媒介,然後受眾獲得一 d情感。將傳遞理解為由A地方(藝術創作者、演員)copy/抄寫去B地方(觀眾)會唔會太狹窄,勾起、引起另一種情緒都算成功傳遞:將恐懼/憤怒encode入去一段奸笑嘅戲入面 。另外,受眾、觀眾可以對同一個作品有唔同解讀,咁講當然都係脫離左「有特定情感訊息要傳遞」嘅範疇。
我有另一種理解係,演員只係藝術品既一部份,而導演、編劇等先係呢件藝術品既創作者,咁好明顯佢地係有意去令觀眾感到恐懼/憤怒,先會安排奸角,劇情本身想表達既情感 同觀眾接受到既情感,理論上係一樣。
同埋我諗演員個藝術價值係建基於個演員係咪演活左個角色。當演員既演出令觀眾相信佢演個角色既情感,咁個表演就有個藝術價值係到,至於觀眾同意或唔同意角色做既事就唔太影響藝術價值個部份,因為後者唔係評論緊個演技而係角色設定。
art is esoteric wisdom in disguise. art is revelation of the truth.
希望有多集繼續講『甚麼是藝術』哩個主題
29:36 我覺得Duchamp嘅Fountain背後係有情感嘅喎,例如佢之前作品唔被Salon接受嘅憤怒,想要打破藝術圈迂腐傳統嘅反叛情感等
you’re mixing up attitude with emotion
四貓最近好陽光😂
四哥条花裤,無得输!🤣
點解咁快又有架!!!! [開心] 上一集仲重聽緊 :)
好看
好喜歡
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It's too short!! Part two of this topic please!
四哥講藝術一定好睇啦,但我的視線實在離唔開四哥條花花褲…(真係好藝術)
我覺得令到一件野成為藝術品 唔係件野本身 而係觀眾
例如一隻某大師整既碗 你拎黎食飯 第二個人見到會覺得只係一係普通既碗
你拎黎觀賞 人地見到就會話係藝術品
所以話藝術唔藝術 同件藝術品既內容係全完無關的
所以話霍金唔單只係科學家 佢仲係一個藝術家
因為大部分人去睇佢其實都聽唔明佢講咩
果D人係拎佢黎睇 唔係拎佢黎食飯 :D
了解一下各地嘅文化歷史也會有參考養分呀
You could promote your Patreon page with your commerical breaks
51:18
石堅可以演黃飛鴻、但黃飛鴻就演不到奸角。堅叔就是我心中的藝術。
50:40 四哥入咗拆禮物mode
「文色情感」... XD
好五夜講場feel
我好吾接受Significant form依個解釋 而家我地想搵既係definition 佢就話要Significant form係冇得解釋 咁仲點叫definition 主觀到冇得再主觀
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alma準備好未,2nd round
高質
當代藝術可以試下揾程展緯 我反而想知佢既眼中藝術係點
主持嘉賓都比較年輕,說話急速和不流暢,聽得辛苦,不過內容精彩,無問題啦
終於明白點解次次行modern art嘅藝術館個陣都無咩引
其實呢個問題好常見 跳現代舞嘅人都成日問呢個問題 我都曾經睇過有人喺舞台上麵食蘋果食西蘭花甚至有啲人將隻腳插入去個床架裏面喺個舞台上面拖嚟拖去 is this art?
Even art Basel 都有好多effortless pieces 🥲
開左腦
其實會唔會有個定義係:
只要呢個世界上,有一個人稱果件作品係藝術品,佢就會係藝術品呢?
咁都要問嗰個人點解稱果件作品係藝術品,而如果一問,佢就會落一個定義,咁不難想像每個人都落一個定義嘅時候,都仍然會出現定義上嘅衝突或者矛盾。
所以我諗呢個定義都無辦法作為藝術嘅定義。
@@hahaha4808 那的確很難去定義... 例如我覺得一粒螺絲,係人類工具嘅藝術作品... 人類,亦係造物主嘅藝術品等等... 的確很難可以為此作出一個定義... 太抽象...
@@galileoch 我覺得你要諗下其他邊個觀點讀, 螺絲係藝術作品可能你企咗喺一個裝修工人/建築人嘅觀點. 又或者因為咩經驗然之後企喺咩觀點
@@galileoch 有D人覺得抽開日常用品本身用途價值,再重新賦予意義 都可以係件藝術品。例如杜象個噴泉就係咁震撼
不如下次簡介一下所提及的哲學家歷史背景,因為他們所rise一些points,會跟其歷史背景相關。
鹽叔講野我要0.5播放lol
四哥咁型得唔得架
加碼!加碼!
折得荷花渾忘卻?渾係讀輝?
我感到茶毒室live時四哥醉住講物自身同ex係一件藝術品。
四哥係勁嘅... 但係清楠同甘仔好似冇乜機會講野 (利: 清楠好文青同斯文)
色情感😹😹
仲未提杜象
四哥條褲好藝術
最後一個講法太主觀,作者覺得系加我覺得系就系,等於冇定義
搵個藝術家做嘉賓
咁尷尬做咩唔剪咗佢🤣🤣🤣
old shoes
i always think art is the creator's selfishness being manifested
why not creator's selfish-less being manifested?
@@DimSumSaying that’d be free art
問題是評論藝術好似唔係任何人都可以,好似要所謂權威藝術家講先有說服力
咁係未人類先有藝術?我覺得唔係。
偽術的意義