Earlier this year I got onto a major D&D lore kick and after reading about Tharizdun I had a dream where I saw the "bottom" layer of the Abyss and it was his body, chained up by the Gods' magic. The rest of the Abyss was an ecosystem of demons feeding off of him eternally, while metastasizing into other planes. So in some sense he IS the Abyss, but in a horrible awful sense. Anyway, that was a pretty rad dream.
Check out Picketts coverage of this god too. After seeing his take on this God I'm actually tempted to play as a cultist of his. Not a murderhobo but a sympathetic (sort of) missionary of this god.
I just realized, Tharizdun is so powerful because of the shard of evil, giving him the might of what is essentially an entire multiverse of power save for what the Oberynth lords kept
What's more is, from what I under stand, most of the shard is held by juiblex and the remandier is the ruby rod of asmodeus. I'm trying to draw up a home brew class that will have heavier plot strings tied to it. Basically, if that campaign ever happens, when they start getting close to 20/epic level his goals is devouring the demon and devil lords, then turning his eye to celestial, pinning the abyss layers, 9 hells, astral sea, and other realms together to ultimately drown the entire wheel in a midnight sea. With certain evils intended to be shards of himself in a sense. Still workshopping that and the whole class.
Mok'Slyk (Maybe Jazirian/Ahriman and Azgorath), The Lady of Pain, The Dark Powers (arguably, but I say they might be), Ao, Chronos/Annam, and Tharizdun are all candidates for being either Great Powers or being fragments or echoes of a Great Power. I think they're also referred to as the Ancient Bretheren in 'Die, Vecna! Die!' or 'Vecna Lives!'
I'm currently running a Lovecraftian campaign and am taking the angle of Tharizdun and Azathoth being the same entity. It makes sense for them to be one-and-the-same given their striking similarities and, as far as the DnD universe goes, It feels it's canonically kosher.
If I remember his story correctly, Tharizdun busts a Fat Nut up in the Elemental Chaos, and is paying child support for the Abyss. That's why he isn't doing his evil stuff now. Thats my canon, and I'm Sticking to it.
Just wanted to say thank you for this! I have used Tharizdun as the hidden big bad in the background of my campaign. We've been playing for nearly 4 years and my players have recently started to uncover the secret of him. Your podcast of this was so helpful in helping me flesh out his story and character.
Wait, so... is Tharizdun trapped in Infinite Tsukiyomi?!? Also, when Elemental Evil Dungeoncast merch? I want the bomber jackets with that logo! Also also - welcome back Will!!
It's interesting that Chronos is imprisoned in the same way with the dreamscape of their paradise world. I wonder if Tharazdun and he have any connection, which would also be an interesting link to the primordial titans/proto-empyrians, Annam (who's implied to be a surviving true titan), and the giants who were made in the image of the titans/primordials. Also being the old god(?) of gateways and boundaries, it's thought that he was corrupted in part by exposure to the far realm, which I guess he held back, but also from beyond that found the multiverse that contained the Obyrinths? Also makes the link between him and Astral Dreadnaughts and maybe Beholder's pretty interesting
I actually recall something about Gygax saying that Tharizdun was meant to be a Chronos figure and Vhaerun was meant to be the Elder Elemental Eye but that lore got changed over time
I have a campaign in which Tharizdun, Lolth, Asmodeus & Tiamat are at the wheel as it were. All divine energy specifically has been negated. Be it captivated or simply had. Due to this demon, daemon & devil alike are inadvertently as well as intentionally seeping through all the worlds though nature seems to have set laws as only severe thunder storm would have it. Azathoth is under siege despite this by Lolth, Asmodeus, Tharizdun & Asmodeus as well as their 'forces.' In between.....we have a world of the goodly & neutral alike as the sole remaining beings. Call it Vegan if you wish. 🤫🙃😏 One deity foresaw this crisis & made her very being that of mortality. Effectively a mortal with the acuity of a deity in essence. Her only goal being to keep herself safe as well as all others she can. The goal of most...
There’s a 5e artifact of Tharizdun in the Explorer’s Guide to Wildemount, known as the Blade of Broken Mirrors. Nice weapon for a Rogue or other dagger wielder. Of course it’s a sentient chaotic evil artifact, so user beware.
I actually just gave the Blade of Broken mirrors to a player in my party. It takes place in HotDQ and RoT, but all of it is just a setup for the rest of the campaign, which is about Tharizdun potentially breaking free. This dagger is meant to be the way his cult ALWAYS knows what’s happening later on.
He first showed up in the Gord the Rogue book in Greyhawk series by Gary Gygax, still one of my favorites. Tharisdun was the incarnate of evil and completely and utterly powerful where he could end the blood war and gather the whole of the lower planes at his command. Long story short, the plot was to have him lock himself up for all eternity, which he did.
I am also running a tharizdun campaign so it is very helpful. Running a homebrew cult and what not so it's been interesting. I'm also running a campaign that has Cyric in it, if you can do a talk on him at some point 😁🤞🏻. He is not my bbeg but definitely an important part of the story
planning on using tharizdun cult as the bbeg for my wildemounte campaign. mostly based on how my characters namely our wizards backstory conflicted with the cult
So sure, I’m a few YEARS late to this party, but I’m playing a campaign with Tharizdun right now and this helped. Spoiler: His chains will be placed around the multiverse and sections of chains will be tearing through the fabric of space and time and exposed on the material planes…. The players destroyed one chain thinking it was something else 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have liked and commented, I continue to serve the mysterious dungeoncast! Dont feel like a paladin bit this week. If I knew existence was going to get unraveled, I'd probably just go get high with some myconoids. Some of the first edition art is goofy looking, like the classic image of a beholder. Also have you seen first edition art for orcs? They were literally pig men. Im not kidding if you haven't seen it, look it up. Tharizdun worshippers are dumber than slimes. Tharizdun actually reminds me of chronos is dnd lore. He's also trapped in an illusion he doesn't know is an illusion. He's killed almost every god in his illusion which if memory serves correctly was created by the god of the kobolds. Anyway, thats all for this week. Have a good day will and brian.
Oh also, I feel like those evil acts that are so evil, they are evil even by the standards of other evil gods are things like ripping the tags off mattresses, and pouring milk in your bowl before your cereal.
@@DragonGunzDorian see though, even more so with the obryrinth already here, the only solution to not create the future where ours becomes theirs it to restart it. Sanity looks insane when its this calculated and has hidden knowledge. Unless of course that's what births the dead universe that they are from.
Wouldn't it be funny if "THE ONE WHO WAS" was in fact was Thairzdun. His story parallels Asmodeous. Who was tasked at watching the abyss. What if The One Who Was told Asmodeous to get the shard and they both went mad. I wondered this because the plot hole in Asmodeous mythos being, If The one who was real name was struck from history wouldn't all Celestials and Gods have to forget? What if Thairzdun created the humans before his madness and the Celestials took his name away because if humans worshiped him he would have the power to un make reality.
So I’m making a new character, no crazy details yet but I know he’s gonna be a tiefling male warlock with the great old ones subclass and his patron is Tharizdun. He’s gonna be chaotic neutral, so tell me ur thoughts so far👀 I’ve already got a bit of a backstory
What if the reason t daddy wants to unmake everything is because of the oberynth To unmake them before they exist to poison the mind of another t daddy
Get ready for a new wave of Critters guys😅 Lol, I kinda want to make a pokemon campaign, replace all the monster with pokemon... and rework players weapons...🤔 wait a minute.😅
The guy on the left essentially is "I'm ok with being an ignorant fool because I'm not willing to look at the original source material" - WORTHLESS VIDEO
@@mwil2495 It's only a matter of time before Jayne Merriweather the chaotic evil death cleric of Tharzidun debuts as an enemy of the Mighty Nein. Throw in a crazed Hex blade warlock and you'll have compelling villains.
When Lolth and Vecna are like "Okay dude, you need to chill." You know you're fucked up.
Tharizdungeoncast at it again.
Earlier this year I got onto a major D&D lore kick and after reading about Tharizdun I had a dream where I saw the "bottom" layer of the Abyss and it was his body, chained up by the Gods' magic. The rest of the Abyss was an ecosystem of demons feeding off of him eternally, while metastasizing into other planes. So in some sense he IS the Abyss, but in a horrible awful sense. Anyway, that was a pretty rad dream.
Running a Thurizdune campaign at the moment. This vid couldn’t have been more helpful my guys or come at a better time!
Check out Picketts coverage of this god too.
After seeing his take on this God I'm actually tempted to play as a cultist of his.
Not a murderhobo but a sympathetic (sort of) missionary of this god.
I just realized, Tharizdun is so powerful because of the shard of evil, giving him the might of what is essentially an entire multiverse of power save for what the Oberynth lords kept
What's more is, from what I under stand, most of the shard is held by juiblex and the remandier is the ruby rod of asmodeus.
I'm trying to draw up a home brew class that will have heavier plot strings tied to it.
Basically, if that campaign ever happens, when they start getting close to 20/epic level his goals is devouring the demon and devil lords, then turning his eye to celestial, pinning the abyss layers, 9 hells, astral sea, and other realms together to ultimately drown the entire wheel in a midnight sea.
With certain evils intended to be shards of himself in a sense. Still workshopping that and the whole class.
@@heyllo1337Mind sharing the source on shard being held by Jubilex and the remainder of it being within the rod?
Mok'Slyk (Maybe Jazirian/Ahriman and Azgorath), The Lady of Pain, The Dark Powers (arguably, but I say they might be), Ao, Chronos/Annam, and Tharizdun are all candidates for being either Great Powers or being fragments or echoes of a Great Power. I think they're also referred to as the Ancient Bretheren in 'Die, Vecna! Die!' or 'Vecna Lives!'
I'm currently running a Lovecraftian campaign and am taking the angle of Tharizdun and Azathoth being the same entity. It makes sense for them to be one-and-the-same given their striking similarities and, as far as the DnD universe goes, It feels it's canonically kosher.
C'thulu F'hghan!
If I remember his story correctly, Tharizdun busts a Fat Nut up in the Elemental Chaos, and is paying child support for the Abyss.
That's why he isn't doing his evil stuff now.
Thats my canon, and I'm Sticking to it.
Perfect timing! I just needed to look this guy up and here he is!
Just wanted to say thank you for this! I have used Tharizdun as the hidden big bad in the background of my campaign. We've been playing for nearly 4 years and my players have recently started to uncover the secret of him. Your podcast of this was so helpful in helping me flesh out his story and character.
Wait, so... is Tharizdun trapped in Infinite Tsukiyomi?!?
Also, when Elemental Evil Dungeoncast merch? I want the bomber jackets with that logo!
Also also - welcome back Will!!
Ya know as I was sitting there imaging the villain trying to unleash Tharizdun, I literally had Madara pop up in my mind😧
It's interesting that Chronos is imprisoned in the same way with the dreamscape of their paradise world. I wonder if Tharazdun and he have any connection, which would also be an interesting link to the primordial titans/proto-empyrians, Annam (who's implied to be a surviving true titan), and the giants who were made in the image of the titans/primordials.
Also being the old god(?) of gateways and boundaries, it's thought that he was corrupted in part by exposure to the far realm, which I guess he held back, but also from beyond that found the multiverse that contained the Obyrinths? Also makes the link between him and Astral Dreadnaughts and maybe Beholder's pretty interesting
I actually recall something about Gygax saying that Tharizdun was meant to be a Chronos figure and Vhaerun was meant to be the Elder Elemental Eye but that lore got changed over time
I just discovered you guys recently august 2023. Longtime fan of comic pop and I love the number of shout outs they get!!!
I see Tharizdun...I immediately click the video lol!
I have a campaign in which Tharizdun, Lolth, Asmodeus & Tiamat are at the wheel as it were. All divine energy specifically has been negated. Be it captivated or simply had. Due to this demon, daemon & devil alike are inadvertently as well as intentionally seeping through all the worlds though nature seems to have set laws as only severe thunder storm would have it. Azathoth is under siege despite this by Lolth, Asmodeus, Tharizdun & Asmodeus as well as their 'forces.'
In between.....we have a world of the goodly & neutral alike as the sole remaining beings. Call it Vegan if you wish. 🤫🙃😏
One deity foresaw this crisis & made her very being that of mortality. Effectively a mortal with the acuity of a deity in essence. Her only goal being to keep herself safe as well as all others she can. The goal of most...
I like some mystery in lore. Leaves it open for people explore
Annam is or was a beholder, think about it. He’s insane, and is dreams bring life to the world!
You guys do such captivating work, love it!
I'm on this upload as if I heard a jittering calling me to it. Man. I'm so hungry out of no where, too
Im tharziDONE! how are you both here before me!?
Sometimes I seem *elderly* in timing, too. I just happened to be *lurking*
I feel as if I have a giant iron ball *chained* to my leg with how slow I got here.
Just in time for a campaign, thanks for the info
There’s a 5e artifact of Tharizdun in the Explorer’s Guide to Wildemount, known as the Blade of Broken Mirrors. Nice weapon for a Rogue or other dagger wielder. Of course it’s a sentient chaotic evil artifact, so user beware.
I actually just gave the Blade of Broken mirrors to a player in my party. It takes place in HotDQ and RoT, but all of it is just a setup for the rest of the campaign, which is about Tharizdun potentially breaking free. This dagger is meant to be the way his cult ALWAYS knows what’s happening later on.
Also, the way will drinks his water drives me fucking insane.
He first showed up in the Gord the Rogue book in Greyhawk series by Gary Gygax, still one of my favorites. Tharisdun was the incarnate of evil and completely and utterly powerful where he could end the blood war and gather the whole of the lower planes at his command. Long story short, the plot was to have him lock himself up for all eternity, which he did.
Preparing to run a 3.5e homebrew campaign binging lore vids for inspiration, great stuff!
I GOT WHAT I ASKED FOR THANK YOU GUYS!!!!!!
Tharizdun reminds me of the Jailor and the maw in WoW Shadowlands
Gm yes he does, just remember D&D is the original wow, runescape, everything else is a copy!
I need to incorporate that idea an earth elemental: "Nice."
Tharizdun values devotion above ability.
Sweet! Are you going to do the 5 Elementals evil's too? Also shout out to demogorgon and his Ixitxachitls homies!
I am also running a tharizdun campaign so it is very helpful. Running a homebrew cult and what not so it's been interesting. I'm also running a campaign that has Cyric in it, if you can do a talk on him at some point 😁🤞🏻. He is not my bbeg but definitely an important part of the story
planning on using tharizdun cult as the bbeg for my wildemounte campaign. mostly based on how my characters namely our wizards backstory conflicted with the cult
Tharizdun is sweet but can we get some Igwilv/Tasha represtation soon!!
Getting morgoth the first darklord from lord of the rings vibes, you mention a few obiliths follow him ,wonder which
Greyhawk was heavily influenced by LotR (game had Hobbits for example). He is for sure a reference to Morgoth.
So sure, I’m a few YEARS late to this party, but I’m playing a campaign with Tharizdun right now and this helped.
Spoiler: His chains will be placed around the multiverse and sections of chains will be tearing through the fabric of space and time and exposed on the material planes…. The players destroyed one chain thinking it was something else 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love your videos and all the information you put out.
Could you guys make a video about Ghaunadaur?
Tharizdun is D&D's analogue to Melkor/Morgoth. Back from when Greyhawk was a LotR fan game.
I have liked and commented, I continue to serve the mysterious dungeoncast! Dont feel like a paladin bit this week.
If I knew existence was going to get unraveled, I'd probably just go get high with some myconoids.
Some of the first edition art is goofy looking, like the classic image of a beholder. Also have you seen first edition art for orcs? They were literally pig men. Im not kidding if you haven't seen it, look it up.
Tharizdun worshippers are dumber than slimes.
Tharizdun actually reminds me of chronos is dnd lore. He's also trapped in an illusion he doesn't know is an illusion. He's killed almost every god in his illusion which if memory serves correctly was created by the god of the kobolds.
Anyway, thats all for this week. Have a good day will and brian.
Oh also, I feel like those evil acts that are so evil, they are evil even by the standards of other evil gods are things like ripping the tags off mattresses, and pouring milk in your bowl before your cereal.
@@DragonGunzDorian see though, even more so with the obryrinth already here, the only solution to not create the future where ours becomes theirs it to restart it.
Sanity looks insane when its this calculated and has hidden knowledge.
Unless of course that's what births the dead universe that they are from.
“Um, actually, it’s pronounced tha-RISE-dun,” lol jkjk
I definitely felt called out at the beginning of the episode 😂
One of my tiefling warlocks made a pact with him to free himself from asmodeus and only a couple pcs have started to catch on to the ramifications
I would buy an Elemental evil jacket.
But on the tag it has to say
"Nice jacket dumbasses."
20:50 cannibalizing through rape & infesting slave or master alike with this, that or the other concerning control..
I'm waiting for the Balrog comments lol
shoutout to Critical Role for making this guy (probably) a major bad guy in campaign 2!
You guys haven't done Shar yet have you? I'd love to see that .
Intermediate when chained. Unchained...muhaha
Make a video on "pale night"
Wouldn't it be funny if "THE ONE WHO WAS" was in fact was Thairzdun. His story parallels Asmodeous. Who was tasked at watching the abyss. What if The One Who Was told Asmodeous to get the shard and they both went mad. I wondered this because the plot hole in Asmodeous mythos being, If The one who was real name was struck from history wouldn't all Celestials and Gods have to forget? What if Thairzdun created the humans before his madness and the Celestials took his name away because if humans worshiped him he would have the power to un make reality.
I always pronounced it as tha-reez-dun.
hey guys, please make a video about The Brotherhood of the Griffon
Ooooh... Ruidus = Therizdun
i feel like Tharizdun is going to be the big bad of the D&D multiverse
Sounds similar to Kronos being thrown into Tartarus from Greek mythology.
You guys should have a look at A. J. Picketts coverage of this god.
The way he describes it you almost sympathize with it.
Yes.
Tharzidun the BBEG for Critical Role's second campaign.
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So I’m making a new character, no crazy details yet but I know he’s gonna be a tiefling male warlock with the great old ones subclass and his patron is Tharizdun. He’s gonna be chaotic neutral, so tell me ur thoughts so far👀 I’ve already got a bit of a backstory
Finally! Now do more obyrith lords like pazuzu and dagon
He is Thariz Done with all your bull shit. Brian 2020
Tharizdun more like Tharizdone
What if the reason t daddy wants to unmake everything is because of the oberynth
To unmake them before they exist to poison the mind of another t daddy
Get ready for a new wave of Critters guys😅
Lol, I kinda want to make a pokemon campaign, replace all the monster with pokemon... and rework players weapons...🤔 wait a minute.😅
It's THAR-iz-DOON. Anyone who says otherwise is a scrub, and can't get no love from me.
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Awesome bid guys. TH-cam better not fuck with your channel. PC bullshit.
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The guy on the left essentially is "I'm ok with being an ignorant fool because I'm not willing to look at the original source material" - WORTHLESS VIDEO
Who is watching cause of critical role?
I’m watching because of the Dungeoncast but the tie to Critical Role current campaign bbeg is a nice bonus.
@@mwil2495 It's only a matter of time before Jayne Merriweather the chaotic evil death cleric of Tharzidun debuts as an enemy of the Mighty Nein. Throw in a crazed Hex blade warlock and you'll have compelling villains.