I think what happened in round 2 is going to be something a lot of players are going to be learning; goblins has a twin combo now, but you can't try to fight it by being reactive. if your deck is proactive, like ponza, you need to not change your gameplan into a reactive "don't die to combo" mode. why? because the builds of goblins that are playing matron ringleader are midrange value decks that happen to have a twin combo in them. if you try to 1 for 1 and sit back on your bolts, you're going to get matron into ringleader'd to death. Trying to keep hands that bloodbraid on turn 2 or keep them off black spells/destroy their vials will be a much more reliable path to winning than running scared from getting turn 3'd.
This deck seems like it’s in better spot than jund by getting ahead early with potent threats and overwhelming the opponent. I actually played against this deck whilst piloting jund at an scg open earlier this year and found it kind of hard to keep up, even with my powerful removal. I’m glad the midrange master is showing it off today
Obstinate Baloth does in fact work pretty well against Restore Balance -- but what's weird is that it *isn't* good against the original Balance, because Balance and Restore Balance actually have different orders to their effects (Balance: lands, hands, creatures; Restore Balance: lands, creatures, hands)! A tiny thing that the Time Spiral templating team probably missed, similar to Frozen Aether having slightly different text than Kismet, which actually got changed pretty recently to make Kismet's oracle text line up with Frozen Aether's. In that Restore Balance matchup, I was pretty shocked that game 2 you didn't just play out Klothys instead of the Magus of the Moon. As you saw game 1, Klothys was an extremely resilient clock. You could even just start upkeep-Lightning-Bolt-ing the opponent to get drain fuel. Magus that turn only maybe slows them down, only if they have exactly Simian Spirit Guide and As Foretold *and* don't have Electropotence, and as you saw it has significant downside if they do have a way to Restore Balance.
@Eathan Turner No, that's why I called it a subgame. EDH is its own thing played with magic cards, much the same way that Tiny Leaders was. It's not Magic as intended. And yet Commander players have to make every discussion about the actual game about them when they get 2 sets just for their own subgame a year.
@@dragonlordojutai9139 you probably haven't been playing long enough to remember/know but magic originally started off with 40 cards and no cap for how many copies of a card you can have in your library. This was the original "intended" way to play. We have since branch into formats, one of which is EDH. So if you want to make that claim then you would say every commonly played format in magic is just a "subgame"
Cleansing Wildfire can be a 2 mana Stone Rain Cantrip against quite a few decks in the current format if I’m not mistaken. Oops all Spells, Belcher, Dredge? Affnity plays one Island as their only basic in most lists. Also takes care of Urza’s Saga, Urza Pieces, Utopia Sprawled forests, maybe a Valakut if they’re forced to play it early.
i was playing some magic with my roommate's brother today who is very new to magic and i told him to look up reid duke because when it comes to skill, attitude, and etiquette as an mtg player no one does it like reid!
I think what got ya in the game around 32:00 was if you had let the matron resolve before bolting the snoop, they probably would have gotten the combo card, which is bad by itself. Possibility they would have been smart and played around removal anyways, but weird little interaction when playing against toolbox decks, you don't want to give them more info than you have too (i know you know that Reid, just for anyone else reading)
do you think snoop could be played in the goblin storm deck with fucundity? i think people run experimental frenzy in the deck and it can kind of act like a extra 2 or 3 of in the deck, being cheeper and still letting u play ur hand
I'm very surprised that reid Duke never play pauper or never mention it, as far i know he love vintage, standard and limited, also modern, and standard, i think he should try pauper someday like deeply, is a grat skill intensive balanced format at all
I know its not competitive enough of a card for tourneys but my ponza deck runs two plow unders, they are just so mean, especially when your opponent has two or less cards in hand, its pretty much seals the game. I run one primal command too which kind of lets you do the same thing, as im almost always choosing options 2 and 4. The more I watch this the more I like pillage, as it can handle problematic artifacts as well as a land, versatility that mwonvuli acid moss and stone rain don't provide. Good games Reid! Also the one game he had two seasoned pyromamcers and the glorybringer wouldn't you try to bait the counterspells with the pyromancers first, then drop the GB?
Hey man I like your gameplay, however you really ought to talk more about the plays being made. There are periods of minutes of silence before you start talking and it gets hard to watch. Just say what the opponent plays and maybe your thoughts on where you are at in the game on each play. Pretend it’s for a guy listening on his phone in the dark with his eyes closed. That makes for some awesome video.
That also makes it a lot harder for him to actually play the game optimally, which is the primary goal. I'd rather have silence than misplays because of split focus. Talking while playing is hard enough as it is
I like this deck very much... in fact, I think Ponza is a much better and more consistent midrange deck than Jund. Don't get me wrong, I love both decks.
I'm not sure about you playing the M1G2 utopia sprawl on turn 1. If he has the counter, your hand might not do anything for a while. I'd be interested in hearing what Reid has to say about waiting until turn 2 for it with veil of summer up. Obviously it didn't matter this game and ended up being better but I'm not sure it was the best play.
Suppose I was the stoneblade player, then force of negation would be one of the cards I'm more inclined to cut post board. Most threats in a ponza deck are creatures, and in addition, this is an attrition matchup, so I wouldn't be thrilled to two-for-one myself under general circumstances. If I had little to bring in from my sideboard, or worse cards to cut, ended up keeping some or all of my forces of negation, and drew it in my opening hand, I would at least not be immediately convinced that forcing my opponent's turn 1 utopia sprawl is the correct line. I liked the play of forcing utopia sprawl in game 1 specifically because Reid mulled to five. Countering that turn one sprawl had a fairly high probability of crippling Reid's remaining cards. On a full keep by the ponza player, however, that is much less likely. Besides, there is some consideration to keep the force for back-breaking cards like choke or boil. I'll go as far as to say that, even if I could see Reid's hand, I'm still not sure if forcing his utopia sprawl was the correct line. Based on the reasoning above, I'd be inclined to play my utopia sprawl if I was the ponza player.
This deck needs to apply pressure to close out games. Magus is a blood moon that can attack. That's more important than a blood moon that's harder to remove.
@@ScoutingTacos I still don't think it's worth playing it, it applies little pressure (3 mana 2/2) and it's waaaaaaay too frail: if you blood moon a tron opponent their only out is all is dust (7 mana), with magus they just need dismember (1 single mana). And for screwing 3 color decks (jund for example) using something that dies to bolt (the most played card in modern and it's in the color that you leave them with) isn't ideal. I think the downsides are too much to justify it. But from what I've seen players still haven't reached an agreement on what is better (some lists still run blood moon and other magus, there are even lists with the full 4 of both :D)
You'd think that Reid playing 2/3rds of Jund would mean 2/3rds of fun, but you'd be wrong there, it's still the full amount of fun you get watching Reid.
wondering: why did you keep playing lands. shouldnt you hold lands, when you are at 5 mana, since you can discard them to pyromancer? At least, when you start playing from top ofc
One of Krenko was fine in Gobbos before the the combo, but after... I'm a bit sketchy on it making the cut, but it isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. Now, the champion a gobbo and Goblin King.... those are headscratchers.
@@simonlin6062 Except if you have snoop and a way to manipulate the top of your deck and your opp is just letting you do it... er... why aren't you just winning the game?
I don't like the 4th Stomping Ground and the 2nd Mountain - two more green fetches seem better. I roll with Wrenn and Six in the Bonecrusher slot too. Great for ensuring you don't miss land drops. Acceleration isn't worth much if you miss your next land drop.
Last game, last match vs E Tron: the line is stompy the 3/2, bolt them, play seasoned pyro while empty handed and draw 2 cards. Who knows if you end up winning because that flood out was classic mtgo garbage, but I do believe you let yourself get TKS and lose because of that.
He made 2 major misplays in my opinion against the suspend deck 1. When sideboarding he should of just trimmed 2 glorybringers for 2 obstinate baloths 2. He should of played Klothys to have a guaranteed clock instead of the magus of the moon
i don't get it. all the american scene players play, if they make a ponza video.. they make the name ponza, but they put three land destruction spells in the deck. like disaibling yes, but really ld ? noo. molten rain is such an awesome card also, yes pillage cause the thron opponents ok. But come'on. molten rain or other ones are awesome too. so fuck on magus, he gets removed that early. there are other possibilitys :)
Its the little insights and explanations that make this so enjoyable.
Reid puts the “mentor” in monastery need a life achievement award for him. Between him and lsv I don’t think anyone else has helped new players more
I think what happened in round 2 is going to be something a lot of players are going to be learning; goblins has a twin combo now, but you can't try to fight it by being reactive. if your deck is proactive, like ponza, you need to not change your gameplan into a reactive "don't die to combo" mode. why? because the builds of goblins that are playing matron ringleader are midrange value decks that happen to have a twin combo in them. if you try to 1 for 1 and sit back on your bolts, you're going to get matron into ringleader'd to death. Trying to keep hands that bloodbraid on turn 2 or keep them off black spells/destroy their vials will be a much more reliable path to winning than running scared from getting turn 3'd.
Yea the amount of grinding the goblins deck can do, especially if they land an early vial, is infinitely scarier than the combo
im a simple man. i see reid, i like
This deck seems like it’s in better spot than jund by getting ahead early with potent threats and overwhelming the opponent. I actually played against this deck whilst piloting jund at an scg open earlier this year and found it kind of hard to keep up, even with my powerful removal. I’m glad the midrange master is showing it off today
Obstinate Baloth does in fact work pretty well against Restore Balance -- but what's weird is that it *isn't* good against the original Balance, because Balance and Restore Balance actually have different orders to their effects (Balance: lands, hands, creatures; Restore Balance: lands, creatures, hands)! A tiny thing that the Time Spiral templating team probably missed, similar to Frozen Aether having slightly different text than Kismet, which actually got changed pretty recently to make Kismet's oracle text line up with Frozen Aether's.
In that Restore Balance matchup, I was pretty shocked that game 2 you didn't just play out Klothys instead of the Magus of the Moon. As you saw game 1, Klothys was an extremely resilient clock. You could even just start upkeep-Lightning-Bolt-ing the opponent to get drain fuel. Magus that turn only maybe slows them down, only if they have exactly Simian Spirit Guide and As Foretold *and* don't have Electropotence, and as you saw it has significant downside if they do have a way to Restore Balance.
If it plays Utopia Sprawl and land destruction, it's ponza. I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
@theblackerlotus EDH isn't magic. It's a separate subgame.
@Eathan Turner No, that's why I called it a subgame. EDH is its own thing played with magic cards, much the same way that Tiny Leaders was. It's not Magic as intended. And yet Commander players have to make every discussion about the actual game about them when they get 2 sets just for their own subgame a year.
@@dragonlordojutai9139 I have a feeling your not a fan of the magic the gathering format edh.
@@dragonlordojutai9139 you probably haven't been playing long enough to remember/know but magic originally started off with 40 cards and no cap for how many copies of a card you can have in your library. This was the original "intended" way to play. We have since branch into formats, one of which is EDH. So if you want to make that claim then you would say every commonly played format in magic is just a "subgame"
lol, format elitism. It's just a game, chill.
This deck if always and forever Ponza in my heart!
I’d like to see Reid play goblins.
Cleansing Wildfire can be a 2 mana Stone Rain Cantrip against quite a few decks in the current format if I’m not mistaken.
Oops all Spells, Belcher, Dredge? Affnity plays one Island as their only basic in most lists.
Also takes care of Urza’s Saga, Urza Pieces, Utopia Sprawled forests, maybe a Valakut if they’re forced to play it early.
i was playing some magic with my roommate's brother today who is very new to magic and i told him to look up reid duke because when it comes to skill, attitude, and etiquette as an mtg player no one does it like reid!
Wow that first game. What a way to kick off a league.
I think what got ya in the game around 32:00 was if you had let the matron resolve before bolting the snoop, they probably would have gotten the combo card, which is bad by itself. Possibility they would have been smart and played around removal anyways, but weird little interaction when playing against toolbox decks, you don't want to give them more info than you have too (i know you know that Reid, just for anyone else reading)
FYI Goblins can't kill you on the spot with Snoop combo unless Snoop is no longer summoning sick, or has haste from a Warchief. 27:28
reid duke, a man of many words...
Why prefer magus to blood moon?
1:41:30 7 mana on turn 3--who's the tron deck now?
Great work like always a true professional and ambassador for the game 🎮 👏 👍
do you think snoop could be played in the goblin storm deck with fucundity? i think people run experimental frenzy in the deck and it can kind of act like a extra 2 or 3 of in the deck, being cheeper and still letting u play ur hand
Great content!
G1 side you wanna keep the glory bringer because it kills the germ I think
I'm very surprised that reid Duke never play pauper or never mention it, as far i know he love vintage, standard and limited, also modern, and standard, i think he should try pauper someday like deeply, is a grat skill intensive balanced format at all
This deck is sooo cool
I wish a deck list Goblin.... someone cant help me?
Any chance we might get to see you play Modern Vile Goblins with 2x Kiki-Jiki in the main?Ki
Also modern goblins seems like a pretty solid deck.
I play Klothys in the sideboard of my Snow RUG control deck, but damn she’s just so good! May have to move her to the main...
I know its not competitive enough of a card for tourneys but my ponza deck runs two plow unders, they are just so mean, especially when your opponent has two or less cards in hand, its pretty much seals the game. I run one primal command too which kind of lets you do the same thing, as im almost always choosing options 2 and 4. The more I watch this the more I like pillage, as it can handle problematic artifacts as well as a land, versatility that mwonvuli acid moss and stone rain don't provide. Good games Reid!
Also the one game he had two seasoned pyromamcers and the glorybringer wouldn't you try to bait the counterspells with the pyromancers first, then drop the GB?
Hey man I like your gameplay, however you really ought to talk more about the plays being made. There are periods of minutes of silence before you start talking and it gets hard to watch. Just say what the opponent plays and maybe your thoughts on where you are at in the game on each play. Pretend it’s for a guy listening on his phone in the dark with his eyes closed. That makes for some awesome video.
That also makes it a lot harder for him to actually play the game optimally, which is the primary goal. I'd rather have silence than misplays because of split focus. Talking while playing is hard enough as it is
Hi. I just wanted to say "Ponza Scheme"
That's it. Thanks
doesn't snoop get haste from kiki on top???
Man you know, I’m usually all in on Reid in Modern. This may not be Jund but we’re at least 2/3s of the way there :) sweet games as always Reid!
I like this deck very much... in fact, I think Ponza is a much better and more consistent midrange deck than Jund. Don't get me wrong, I love both decks.
I'm not sure about you playing the M1G2 utopia sprawl on turn 1. If he has the counter, your hand might not do anything for a while. I'd be interested in hearing what Reid has to say about waiting until turn 2 for it with veil of summer up. Obviously it didn't matter this game and ended up being better but I'm not sure it was the best play.
Suppose I was the stoneblade player, then force of negation would be one of the cards I'm more inclined to cut post board. Most threats in a ponza deck are creatures, and in addition, this is an attrition matchup, so I wouldn't be thrilled to two-for-one myself under general circumstances.
If I had little to bring in from my sideboard, or worse cards to cut, ended up keeping some or all of my forces of negation, and drew it in my opening hand, I would at least not be immediately convinced that forcing my opponent's turn 1 utopia sprawl is the correct line. I liked the play of forcing utopia sprawl in game 1 specifically because Reid mulled to five. Countering that turn one sprawl had a fairly high probability of crippling Reid's remaining cards. On a full keep by the ponza player, however, that is much less likely. Besides, there is some consideration to keep the force for back-breaking cards like choke or boil.
I'll go as far as to say that, even if I could see Reid's hand, I'm still not sure if forcing his utopia sprawl was the correct line. Based on the reasoning above, I'd be inclined to play my utopia sprawl if I was the ponza player.
I thought ponza was a land destruction deck with stone rain etc
36:34 YEE
We kickin' it old school in Modern now. Poggies.
I love how everyone knows its Reid
Anyone could tell me what does ponza mean
It's what a land destruction deck is called. It comes from Ponza rotta which is like a deep fried calzone.
I'm happy that the gobbos won 😁
I wonder why he runs magus of the moon instead of blood moon mainboard
This deck needs to apply pressure to close out games. Magus is a blood moon that can attack. That's more important than a blood moon that's harder to remove.
Ahh that makes sense, thanks for explaining it to me
@@ScoutingTacos I still don't think it's worth playing it, it applies little pressure (3 mana 2/2) and it's waaaaaaay too frail: if you blood moon a tron opponent their only out is all is dust (7 mana), with magus they just need dismember (1 single mana).
And for screwing 3 color decks (jund for example) using something that dies to bolt (the most played card in modern and it's in the color that you leave them with) isn't ideal.
I think the downsides are too much to justify it.
But from what I've seen players still haven't reached an agreement on what is better (some lists still run blood moon and other magus, there are even lists with the full 4 of both :D)
Wouldn't be a Reid video without a full sized chat box lol.
What. Is. Ponza???
You'd think that Reid playing 2/3rds of Jund would mean 2/3rds of fun, but you'd be wrong there, it's still the full amount of fun you get watching Reid.
Is better when Reid appears on camera
wondering: why did you keep playing lands. shouldnt you hold lands, when you are at 5 mana, since you can discard them to pyromancer?
At least, when you start playing from top ofc
There is no value in discarding them to Pyromancer. It only creates tokens when you discard NONLAND cards.
EDIT: Cleaned up my grammar.
12 draws 9 lands xD
Guys help there's a Krenko in this modern deck and I can't stop laughing
Great video.
One of Krenko was fine in Gobbos before the the combo, but after... I'm a bit sketchy on it making the cut, but it isn't completely out of the realm of possibility.
Now, the champion a gobbo and Goblin King.... those are headscratchers.
@@rekenner champion a gobbo has a great activated ability, it's probably there for snoop
@@simonlin6062 Except if you have snoop and a way to manipulate the top of your deck and your opp is just letting you do it... er... why aren't you just winning the game?
Can I beat batterskull? yes with BBE
Somewhere Moshi is thinking of nominating Reid for a top 8 LD players
Also basically anybody who plays Ponza calls it Ponza if you try to say otherwise you will be shunned. Lol
I don't like the 4th Stomping Ground and the 2nd Mountain - two more green fetches seem better.
I roll with Wrenn and Six in the Bonecrusher slot too. Great for ensuring you don't miss land drops. Acceleration isn't worth much if you miss your next land drop.
WHERE DA WILDFIRE?!
31:09 so attacking here would've actually saved you for a turn
Last game, last match vs E Tron: the line is stompy the 3/2, bolt them, play seasoned pyro while empty handed and draw 2 cards. Who knows if you end up winning because that flood out was classic mtgo garbage, but I do believe you let yourself get TKS and lose because of that.
its ponza reid. its okay to call it that. gruul is different
We usually run 2 bop and we basically never keep a hand without a 1 drop I've gone down to 4 and won because of it. The deck mulligans well
Yee
He made 2 major misplays in my opinion against the suspend deck
1. When sideboarding he should of just trimmed 2 glorybringers for 2 obstinate baloths
2. He should of played Klothys to have a guaranteed clock instead of the magus of the moon
This video have “holes” minutes of waiting on opponent without anything said. Very boring.
DESTROY ALL THE LANDS
No RKF Pillages? Blasphemy!!!
Who is taking a shower the whole video?
Havent showered in multiple days 🙃
i don't get it. all the american scene players play, if they make a ponza video.. they make the name ponza, but they put three land destruction spells in the deck. like disaibling yes, but really ld ? noo. molten rain is such an awesome card also, yes pillage cause the thron opponents ok. But come'on. molten rain or other ones are awesome too. so fuck on magus, he gets removed that early. there are other possibilitys :)
Needs plow