Future Ghetto of St. Petersburg, Russia. (Murino, Worst District of The City)
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- Murino is a new district north of Saint Petersburg, Russia, which is however repeats many old architectural mistakes for development of the new residential districts. It's just an endless amount of high-rise and flat buildings with no social infrastructure and environment for a comfort living.
Credit to Ilya Varlamov - / ilyavarlamov
#ghetto #stpetersburg #russia
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Humans need sunshine, trees, landscaping and parks for well-being. Developers and city planners seem to be interested mainly in short-term profits and bribes.
sometimes it's the *lack* of comprehensive city planning, like in the States :/
You said humans... yes if you look to any individual human then you see one, but if you look at the whole picture what you see is just biomass, human-ants, fry-fish... the only purpose of life is to feed big sharks like real estate developers, banks, car manufacturers, government officials, etc. Work, buy, die, leave your offspring to repeat this cycle again and again... what a wonderful life
I agree absolutely and one thing that really impressed me is the amount of beautifully kept parks and green thoroughfares . It does look sterile and I am sure parts are however there will be lovely clean parks for the children to play in predator free . And I can tell you for free that anyone caught in a kids park up to no good will have an unpleasant suprise lol . In fact there will be wide birch lined avenues to walk in . It is a standard part of the design brief . Near me in England there is a large city with one park full of needles used condoms and dog excrement and no trees anywhere
i would write a comment about trees parks before i saw your comment. There is no Green !!!! No trees WHAT THE FUCK ... This city make a person mad , depressing. Very very very bad planinng very bad place to live.
>interested mainly in short-term profits and bribes
welcom to russia
As a postman this is my ideal location (unless all the lifts are broke)
Well, the thing is, all the post boxes are located on the first floor, so you don't even have to go upstairs or so 😁
Наш почтовый сервис - это дерьмо. Если вам нужно что-то получить на почте, вы приходите на почту и получаете. Почтовые ящики в каждом лобби. Но они ставят только рекламу пиццы и счета за жилье. Счет зарплаты 1/3 - почтальон.
I almost forgot. In Soviet buildings, mail works a little better.
Lol.
Haha
@@user-mw2hw6bw1i Yes.
Imagine the quality content so many of us would be missing out on, if he couldn’t speak English...
I have thought of this exact thought myself. Very glad he does.
imagine learning russia yazek.. 😄😄
Basically that's the Varlamov channel he mentioned in the beginning.
I'm studying Russian and I stumbled upon that channel. Lots of very good content on it and it's such a shame that only a couple of his videos have English subtitles!
There's videos about urban life, but also about travelling. He's been to Somalia, Syria and other extreme places as a tourist.
It is valid for all languages, I let you imagine the contents that are lost for those who do not know Russian and Chinese
Imaginate la calidad de contenido que muchos de nosotros perderíamos si...
Those urbanists clearly never heard of SimCity or Cities: Skyline
they played sim city after several vodkas! :p
The absence of trees is what really makes these places depressing. I hope they plant some.
Trees take 25+ years to grow up decent size. By that time the district will be uninhabitable
No they won't. More cars, we want more cars! It's not fashionable to use public transport.
@@maximzhuravlyov9530 more cars means more Pollution
@@user-yj9hq8sq5y get big tree and plant that
@@kathylesnewski5442 they don't really farm adult trees all that much. It's deemed to be expensive, and this is very inexpensive housing for people with no expectations of anything but very basic things
Like IKEA and Amazon made an urban development for modern technological slaves
does look like an office park. hope they all have dachas for the weekend. I think they do.
"Technological slave" that is so apt and poignant, and very evident in this age we live in, mindless zombies seem to be everywhere.
Whatever you say but Ikea has some great designers and if you go to Sweden youll see one of the best city-development plans and in the world
It looks like a never ending 1960's UK council estate, we've pulled over 50% of them down.
As this kind of design encourages anti social behaviour, crime and drug use.
Wouldn't say it encourages when you from the beginning move such people there.
Google the Glasgow red road flats, they've demolished them and the lower rise replacements have decreased crime. It's the same all over the UK. Demolish the 1960's high rises (which are identical externally to Soviet blocks of the same era) and the crime and depression slightly lifts, so it's not just the type of people it's the architecture that actually contributes to it.
@@whynotagain3639 doesn't lower buildings mean less density and less density often means less problems congregate into the same small area. It is just that these towers, of course on way way smaller scale that what we see in this video, do work. Everything that is too much is not healthy, but when only 1-3 towers are close and middle class lives it usually doesn't create any more crime than in other types of urban planning. There is a large advantage at least in Soviet planned tower districts, you get way more public and green space than in some 19th century planned city like Paris. Those Paris courtyards are often so small, dark and depressing :/
If there were developments like that on the outskirts of London I guarantee you they'd be in demand too. These are cheap, giving young people an opportunity to buy instead of renting. Low prices + access to St. Petersburg job market = success.
Edit: I guess what I'm getting at is that the design of this place is market-driven, and considering the fact that these aren't subsidised housing or anything like that it won't necessarily attract more crime. Living in St Petersburg isn't getting any cheaper, so these will continue to be in high demand.
@@EllidaWangel these cheap anthills would be very popular and attractive in most big cities that can't satisfy housing demand. If there is good access to metro it could even focus on people who do not use cars and then those parking spots could become pretty large green spaces.
Depressing beton jungle, this asks for problems.
robert gorlee Concrete in English. Beton is french
Genci Numani бетон in russian
sabbath ouijas It is not a Russian word. It was borrowed from French. This is a fact. Cannot argue with facts.
“ Beton- Etymology
Borrowed from French béton (“concrete”), from Latin bitūmen (“asphalt”).”
@@gnumani stfu
Those people are same culture. That is not case in U.S.
''A concrete box for just to exist'' wow! Gross, heavy, sad way of living.
those concrete boxes are now worth 20 years of wage in europe
unattainable millenial dream, to have a concrete box of your own
@@atropa6053 Is truth, the point here is there is not any life around these constructions in the biggest country.
@@atropa6053 I am guessing there is more life in a ghetto, routine and monotony kills.
@*ОωО / As you say.
@*ОωО / So stablishmets are far away?
Human ant-hills sounds like the perfect analogy.
Anthills have some social life. This type of neighbourhoods are just storage for people and their cars.
@@zokraft On point!
Yeah that's what everybody calls them in Russia.
I live in this district. I am American, and I moved here because I wanted to pay a reasonable price for my apartment and wanted an modern, clean apartment, not an old Soviet apartment that is falling apart. People in Saint Petersburg can live in places like this without being depressed because it’s a 30 minute metro ride, for less than a dollar to the beautiful European style city center. This video is a little bit dramatic.
I agree, Canadian and this seems really nice. We have literal food deserts surrounding housing projects on this side of the world. There were so many food shops, and its close to the train to the city, and probably lots of young people around to be friends with.
I bet the architects live in nice, huge penthouses in Moskva's central districts
It's so! Look at the Sergey Kuznetsov's home and at the his projects!
I used to visit friends at this place, and almost rented an apartment there. The question "why?" they live there is not so difficult to answer. I had a very low scholarship while I was a student, and I was old enough for do not want to share a small bedroom with other three guys that I do not know in the dorms of my university. The options were a cheap room in town - normally a komunalka, living with other families (and cockroaches), or living in such place, but in a decent "western interior" apartment. There were many people in similar financial situations that have chosen the second option.
But yes, I do understand and do agree that it is a big architectural mistake, and probably a future urban disaster. People who did it didn't have to care about thinking in a long term perspective. The money is already in their bank accounts anyway.
Well done, very good video,
Cheers!
What was the rent? 🤔
@@pyellard3013 It's about 200-300$ /1 month for one-room flat. 400$ for two-room.
@@luckyone8927 Thanks..
@@luckyone8927 Okay that is a nice price for st. peterburg for a new building.
That "development" (if it could be called as such), is a rude slap on the face of the Russian people and beautiful Saint Petersburg.
Yes, Russian cities are being destroyed by this kind of "development" and become unsuitable for a living.
Absolutely, almost all old districts have parks and many green zones and now we have concrete jungle
Greed and overpopulation is taking over everywhere.It's a shame.I would be so depressed if i lived there.
Catgirl Russia is underpopulated
@@alexandraSashY How come they are building so much?I have seen the over production of buildings everywhere .America got so overpopulated
overpopulation? what overpopulation?!?! ever took an airplane? if not go for an adventure and look down to all those "overpopulated" area's,
Catgirl it’s 10th in the world in population. US is number 3 after China and India. Considering Russia is the biggest country in the world it’s not dense at all with roughly 140 mil people. However, in recent decades most people are moving into urban areas mainly for superior infrastructure and jobs (agriculture being on the decline). So you see a lot of large complexes like that are relatively inexpensive for people to acquire and still be able to be near a cosmopolitan city. I have to say there are different types of these, some are actually quite nice, like around Moscow area. It just depends on who builds it.
@@caryn9561 Overpopulation in the big cities - more than they can have at once. But they do this intentionally - to have better control over the people.
I am from Ukraine and I am living in a city which was turned into an important industrial area during rule of Josef Stalin.
Lots of industrial plants required lots of workers, so new districts of my city were built in Stalin's time.
"Stalin's" districts of the city have parks, trees, empty space between houses. The houses have 2-3-5 levels, no more.
New districts, which were built after Stalin are like those in Saint Petersburg.
Probably because he wiped out some million people by famine and forced collectivism - no need for more than 5 level buildings then - also since those times Europe's population has grown 3 times....
@@domandoria5362 You are an expert at making nonsensical connections. The majority of Americans live in one or two story houses - must have been the greatest mass murder ever! Also, collectivism itself does not kill anyone, rather it is the problem of outdated agricultural theory, droughts, and a million other complicated factors. Reducing it to just "workers controlling things = mass starvation" just shows you defend tyrannical economics. Don't do that.
@@heyitstobias or because it made it harder to bomb
Готов платить за уютные пятиэтажки с подземным паркингом по 3600 евро за метр как в Гамбурге? За Сталиным хер плачет ёпта.🤦
The 5 story buildings is because that's the max you can build and still expect people to walk the stairs without an elevator.
Reminds me of the empty Chinese cities in the middle of nowhere, or the old housing projects in Chicago... Just filing cabinets for people, not places to live a decent life. No parks, no places to shop or gather, no fun. I like the colors, although the whimsy will fade.
like new york
@John Proctor Having lived in Chicago - a great architecture town, and one of America's most segregated cities - much of my life, I've seen things that have been done badly and things that have done well. Architecture is not just about the buildings, it's about the people who use them and the surroundings they create.
Looks like someone speedrunning Cities:Skylines
And you thought your city was depressing. This is a doomer nest.
"What a dump!"
"A logical set of cells on the 14th floor" (Vance Packard).
go look up london ghettos and you will see more depressing
Every city has a poor side to it even the “great” America
@Chidori457 oh cool
Молодец. Such a great report. Привет с Ямайки. I attended University 1980-1986 in Leningrad. Бонч-Бруевич
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@@johntravolta2334 you studied there in the 80s too?)
The lack of trees and creative architecture makes the area looks stark and unfortunately a bit depressing. It is unfortunate because I have seen some beautiful places in Russia.
I said the same thing about Las Vegas years ago - A ugly box sitting in the dessert attracting desperate souls. Today, they're scaling to construct more single-family homes instead of hotels or apartments. Makes that dessert more welcoming to reside. If Russia can at least do the same by building a mass community of single-family homes. You'll have a family-oriented environment, privacy, and the freedom to BBQ on your front porch. After all, Russia is the biggest country in the world. Plenty of real estate to build a single home community.
Historically, concrete jungles can turn for the worst (Take Brooklyn and Queens for example). However, the Government like this idea cause it provides more housing on a single lot. It's also easier to keep track of the population when issuing consensus. So of course the regulations will be more lenient for these developers creating an ugly mess.
@@user-er8ck9cv3v I completely understand and I'm sure many Russians would agree with you. You guys have been living in these type of structures for a very long time under the Soviet Union and it's only been 18 years since the fallout. So I'm not surprised by your remark for which I respect.
It is a new area,trees will be planted but forests exist a short distance away and large modern shopping centers will pop up soon as they have in all such areas here. The city center(these are NOT in St Petersburg but in the countryside of Leningrad Oblast so no city regulations apply. Since the city is 25 minutes away by metro none these apartment owners are deprived of the social and cultural options of St Petersburg. New modern apartments are affordable and after more shopping and restaurants open they will spend more time in their neighborhood. I grew up in th suburbs of the Capital of California and my parents were so happy to buy a new house with school across the street but there was nothing, no trees, lawns or parks and only later did it fill in with shopping centers, cafes and trees were planted by the new home buyers. It took years for the area to look nice but it did by the time I got to high school and we moved further out to new development with no trees and shops and it took my parents 2 decades to fix up the bare dirt to become a nice yard. These apartments in Marino are more developed than how our neighborhoods developed so I do not see how horrible these are. These are starter apartments or working class, and they have secure safe homes and neighborhoods so 90% of the world would be happy to see the positive aspects of their first home there.
@@Victorcr1000 I totally agree. What's even mindblowing, is that these complex are NOT Government housing like we have here in the US. Each unit are paid to own rather than renting. Yet, they're built like apartments similar to ours as halfway housings (inmate homes after release) with no green spaces as you explained.
Here in the US, these complex would be considered as Condominium than apartments. But our condos here have theme parks, plants, and shops nearby unlike apartments. The developers could've done a better job indeed.
SHADOWED kiss
They dont care
What trees..a few years the weather kill that look
Be a acidic fromage of pastels
Waiting 4 next acid tripdudeeee
Nice colors on buildings. Anyway look much better then ghetto in New York and probably 100% safer.
Yes, it is much safer there, but the city must prohibit building residential houses higher than 10 stories. The lower the better.
doctornatural gamer+ America has nothing to do with anything in this video.
@@PerthTowne Why? This place kinda looks like COOP City in NYC
Why do Americans have a much higher standard of living than Russians? Ghettos....... silly you. Enjoy your low wages and pitiful standard of living comrade.
Oh wow, new russian neighborhood not for poor people looks even better then American ghetto. What a success!
Sergei, if you want to see ‘ghetto’ then come to California and I’ll show you our tens of thousands of homeless everywhere.
Enjoyed your video tour though. My sister and brother in law traveled to Russia two years ago and they said that St. Petersburg is the most beautiful city they’ve ever seen in the many travels.
or montreal even...
Having lived in complexes like this in Mongolia, it wasnt so bad. I had a good time with my neighbours and such.
Cmon man thats just depressing
I couldn't imagine living in a development like that. More than happy with my simple home on two acres in Montana. Your drone pilot is doing an excellent job. Enjoyed the video.
Montana is beautiful.
Living in concrete hives is not natural for humans. In the USSR, people were given apartments and land. Residents of St. Petersburg, in addition to their apartments have 500,000 land plots (average area from 600 to 2000 m²) outside the city, most of the plots with different buildings.
I live in large, apartment, single level, Billings.....my backyard is a park....I love Montana! retired US Army....
Watch out for Joseph Seeds people
trust me Chet, ghettos in Montana are waaaaaaaaayyyy worse
I can see why it was attractive for the buyers: Metro connection (don't know the time to city center), warm parking place, elevator (important when people is getting older), I do not know how much one pays per month for the maintenance fee but more people should be cheaper and especially perhaps people wanted to trade up from soviet times apartments instead renovating them. Don't know the prices but in Europe generally, developers do not develop affordable apartments for people, one must indebt oneself to the teeth. I hope now there are more people there the Council of St. Petersburg listens to the demands of the people living there.
The neighborhood is clearly computer designed to disperse an expansion wave of a nuclear bomb
Seriously?
No, he was being facetious. Although they might help.... What you see here is simply residential planning focused around profit and not aesthetics.
these what u get when u play too much minecraft..
Excellent idea actually, we bomb each other's cities but why spoil the surrounding nature more than we have to?
There are already powerful more eco friendly bomb alternatives to nukes but no one would be persuaded to give up the edge just for the eco benefits :(
Cheers from Illinois, USA, I got to visit St Petersburg and Moscow in 2016 when I was 15 years old. Your content is amazing, and I love the straightforwardness and honesty that's consistent in your videos. I'm 18 now, and I'm hoping to one day be able to return to Russia!
You are welcome. We are't like the media show us
Illinois and russia is the same thing. Crappy depressing weather from both placesn
where are the trees? the landscaping? no handicapped entrance?
This houses stay on former agriculture territories, that's why there r no 🌳 still.
No building with handicapped entrance vancity
All sidewalks must have easy access
Stops LIGHTS
Guess that's what they called PROGRESSIVE
Or door handle must be ergonomic
Rent is cheaper, you can afford to go spend time in nature if that is what you want. I would argue that the overall quality of life is better with this type of city planning. Go to reakjavik and pay 1,5k € / month for a studio apartment in a wooden two stories house, because building is banned and nothing will be built.
@@googleuser2609 Developing country? According to what metric???
Handicapped people are not taken into account in Russian urbanism... it’s revolting how much the towns are unfit for the latter, Peter included
I’ve seen such massive high rises in China and Kazakhstan. Crazy.
I live in Murino and I really love this place because it has so many shops and it's near of metro. The way to the citycentre takes only 40 minuts from my home. I think Murino- it's city for yang people. Average age of local people it's 28 year old.
если что-либо не устраивает, то у любого и каждого всегда есть возможность продать и переехать в другой район, или город.
This actually looks nice and is much needed for the housing crisis. This looks nice, and as a young person, I'd love to live close to the train, good fast food and friends. Seeing nice big blocks like this made me almost want to move there, and I live in Canada. This is not ugly or bad at all.
It doesn't look too bad. There are play areas, green spaces, metro access, shops on ground floor. Just needs trees and some community buildings and it could be like some really nice areas of Vancouver.
No it would look nothing like Vancouver. This would be considered a total disaster if they built something like this in Canada or the U.S even if it more green space and trees
In North America and the UK, we've mostly learned from the past and would not build like this.
They are still using the same planning and building ideas from the 1960s..they didn't even bother to see what ben done in other countries in the past 50 years.
The way they treat the space around the building, the parking, and the way they deal with the street is like text book 1960s, when everyone all of a sudden had a car had a car and they didnt know how to deal with the issue.
the design of the shops within the building is also bad
@@zochbuppet448 The shops being on the ground floor of the buildings is definitely not bad - it usually didn't happen in the 1960s. It comes from Jane Jacobs' idea of having active street frontage and it's exactly what happens in Vancouver, Hong Kong and various other places which exemplify successful and safe apartment block living. This Russian development is far from perfect, but it really is nowhere close to the horrors of 1960s US/UK housing projects.
@@zochbuppet448No en Europa ni en Eu contruyen ya nada de esto porque están en la quiebra. Se mueren de envidia del crecimiento econòmico de Rusia y estas rápidas soluciones de su gobierno para evitar los callejeros que ya hay miles en sus países.
From Norway : I think I can say that this is the ugliest modern development I have ever seen. Modernized edition of 1960. All over Europe, such buildings are being demolished - and life and beauty are being recreated. Russia is the world's largest country - What in the world would suggest building something like this when there is no shortage of space anywhere?
I can show you horrible can architecture can be. Just type Bežanijski blokovi, this our capital Block estate from 1976-1980s. Whats more interesting is that they are expensive, not to mension newer architecture on this part of city. Our city Belgrade is full of this buildings.
Why in such big country are piled up humans in such buildings ? There is space enough to offer them sunshine and comfort, no ?
Government & "developers" don't care. In here nobody cares how people live.
@@ghostrun640 If the settlements are dispersed, this leads to large expenditures on infrastructure, water supply, sewerage, heating and electrical networks, roads, and no one will be able to buy . If a person wants a separate house, he can build it for himself, many do so.
In France every medium to big town has districts like that. From 20 thousand inhabitants to Parisian suburbs.
You can thank Corbusier for that.
Actually ussr bought French projects for such buildings in 60's and it created those familiar soviet looking buildings
То е ть строим десять домов на 1000 квартир и получаем 20 тыщ
"No children's centers." Honestly, the children's programming and centers is so essential. I lived in Russia as a single worker and as a mother. Upon return to the US, I realized that our culture lacks these sites for children. In Russia, I could take my child to all types of theatre--children's drama, puppets, etc.
This just shows that no nation on earth is exempt from dumb ideas. They happen everywhere.
Why would you think Russia would be exempt
Joseph Aziz Exactly lol
Joseph Aziz At no point did I imply that Russia is exempt. Maybe you should read my comment again.
LOL the Russian construction company didn't make any mistakes here. They PURPOSELY did it this way because they know they can make more profit, and save more on materials cost using this method. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Harry Martens
Some are much worse than others.
Some are far better for humans to live.
Sergey, you're one of the best vloggers out there. I especially like your commentaries on society. Not all Muricans are afraid of Russians. This Murican loves your shows! 🌞
Murican = American for those readers who do not have a real mastery of the English languages slang.
@@boddah92108 tooork owhr jhobbs
Never been afraid of Russians. I suppose they’re just like anyone else. Just regular people, who just happen to speak a different language.
Mister Methuselah cheers from Australia.....I agree, where's trees and pets, bicycle lanes, park benches.... ugh
Are americans afraid of russians?😁😁😁
Did the developers also build prisons 🤔. It sure reminds me of prisons...
Thanks Sergey for speaking so candidly about this! It’s very refreshing to hear a young man talking with so much sense and awareness. You’re very much in touch with your surroundings and have great sense of esthetic and understanding of human nature. These days people just don’t see; they just go about like zombies. The few times I had heard you criticizing something it had always been constructively in order to create awareness and room for improvement. That for me is very patriotic! Keep doing such a good job! I hope people appreciate the effort and time you invest in these videos. Thanks!
80% of people in Singapore live in these kind of housing (govt housing) but there have markets schools and transportation within the housing estate. There are green areas etc. Parking is not street parking but in multi-storey carparks. More like the last neighbourhood you showed.
The Govt regulates the improvements which have to take place every 3/4 years. People seem quite happy living there as there are community areas.
There are belts of undeveloped land that can be flexible use, so that is good.
It is not private developments so the property developers can’t squeeze every drop of quality of life out.
It has to be balanced between the affordability and the expectations though.
You get what you pay for. 18,000 for an apartment instead of 90,000 for one in a development is a huge difference. As the earnings improve, people move from these starter apartments to better districts and better lifestyle. It is not a forever home but at least you get to have a home while you work your way up the property ladder.
It is better to have an oversupply of living spaces than not enough like, for example, in California's cities.
It looks like a big LEGO-set from above!
Такой довольный, когда на Восстания из метро выпал😄
Ooooh,
I live there. Hello from Murino!)
How's living there?
Как твой город?
Привет, сосед!
@Max Schmidt и тебе добра, сосед
@@archlich4489 Not so bad, but the main problem of the city is that there is no transport(
I have spent time in a similar area near Moscow . I can promise you that I have been in many housing estates in the west that are much worse . The flats are secure and comfortable . I would prefer warm comfortable and safe to the hell holes the west provides
If you like living in a pigeon box good for you
@@coolkingakram. No, these are starter apartments for young couples or elderly moving from older apartments, they start at about $18000. Not many middle class would be there, they would have traded up by now to better locations. In a year or two, there will be large shopping malls and mega grocery stores however so the value of the apartments will increase. The middle class is sticking to the city center, or Petrogradskaya and other diverse areas.
It could only be better than a few places i seen.
@@xtxt9135 indeed . If you go out of Moscow even a small way and move off the main roads the Houses are often way way worse .
@@Hugofreddie i meant in the west and asia. I have not yet had the pleasure of visiting russia, so i cannot say.
It looks like a mega-city from Judge Dredd.
Distopian city😃
Reminds me of Perkunkiemis district in Vilnius, just in a bigger scale. My fellows Lithuanians should know what I'm talking about.
That district is bad, but I often think that it protected our city centre. If we build such low quality, high capacity districts far away, we avoid overcrowding city centre and building them in place of green spaces, historical structures. What I mean is that lately we started to rapidly increase density in the city centre. Nowadays we build just barely better projects than "Perkunkiemis" right next to the old town, in a lot more sensitive areas. Due to those real estate developments decrease our green spaces, trees are cut, historical buildings demolished. This is clearly happening in Šnipiškės with all those new densely packed 8-10 story apartment buildings. Or even inside old town, like Paupys, where historically nothing similar to those new dense 6 story buildings has ever existed and that area was unique due to nature, lack of urbanization. It is ironical that when Soviet factory stood more nature and historical pre war structures were preserved than after district's "revival" with modern buildings which take even more land area and are built right next to the Vilnelė river.
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Sergei my friend, im from argentina and we have the same problems!! Incredible!! We are so far but so close at the same time; i cant invest on buying a new apartament, so i understand you!! Good video and thank you💪❤👍
Thank you somuch for showing this Sergey. It really made me see that this kind of city development has gone obsolete. I think this will be an eye opener for a lot of people.
Wow, that is completely different from where I am from in Ireland. I think small is better!
You idiot , it’s fucking Russia you nob
You just need Peter The Great - to build You a City at Ireland ! Have You been to Russia ?
Yeah
I too am from Ireland. I hate high-rise buildings. I think small is better.
These area could be improved dramatically if they would just add a few hundred trees and bushes around each building. Planters could even be added on the concrete sidewalks. It also appears that no one is in charge of caring for the small amount of grass that exists.
Ok, its not Owen's utopia, but is doesn't look like a "ghetto".
Agreed, doesn't look pretty, but doesn't strike me as one of those hoods that you wouldn't walk through without fearing for your safety
Double S Give it time it will turn into a ghetto. You will not want to walk the halls. It looks like it now.
If you lived in a concrete jungle. You would not make that statement. Just cause it "looks" pretty does not mean the living conditions are. But you are a perfect example when tourist visit Brooklyn ghetto's and see these tall so-called "amazing" structures. They say the same thing, "It doesn't look like a ghetto".
And I didn't mention China...
It is not, it is an area that young couples can afford their first home. These people are buying or own them outright so that sort of factor makes them more stable communities. You could walk through any neighborhood in St Petersburg including this one(remember this is not the city, they have no regulation or say because it is in outside the federal city limits of St Petersburg) at 3am alone and not fear unlike similar areas in every western city. Gangs are hanging out, or drug dealers on the street corners. The depressing aspect is lack of green space development and parking. But they are only 25 minutes to the city center with 500 parks and vast arrays of activities using cheap public transportation. Russians tend to live outside the home, there is so much to do out and about and only sleep at home. I moved from a 14 room home in California to a small studio in the city center of St Petersburg in 2000 and did not miss the smaller home at all, I instantly found real freedom in not cluttering up my space and live outside the home with unlimited social and cultural activities. I lived 6 miles from San Francisco over the Gold Gate Bridge in one of the most desirable and expensive areas of the country and moving to that tiny 35sq meter apartment in the heart of St Petersburg was a dramatic step up in quality of life and very very low cost of living. Compared to SPb, SF is a village with limited safe areas and a lack of access to culture and a less friendly atmosphere. And that is about the best in the US.
Being in Russia and telling about Russian district, I sure never appealed to American-like ghettos. It will be our own Russian version of ghetto.
Market will never regulate this. This can only be changed by government imposed norms and regulations like in the US
Another bright idea.... Sherlock.
They'll pull that shit heap down within 20 years.
I think that many homeless people in the USA / Europe would be happy with such affordable housing. If not Murino, then people would not have affordable housing. Since people buy apartments there, then they agree to the living conditions there. This means that even more such houses will be built. Many foreign people do not know, and Sergey does not says about this, but in Russia, it is much cheaper to buy a piece of land and build your own house on it. And you can buy land (600 - 1000 m²) with an old house - prices start at $ 3,000.
At the same time, you will have your own garden, trees nearby, you can grow fruits and vegetables. But people prefer apartments in Murino, the price of which starts at $ 47,000 for 1 bedroom apartment. Why then do people not buy their houses and land? Because they are lazy and don’t want to keep track of their house and land themselves, they don’t want to clean it, cut grass, they don't want to heat their houses. In the city, others do it for you - you just pay 70-100 dollars per month for everything included (heating, electricity, water, garbage, cleaning). For $47000 you can buy your land in Russia, 30-100 km away from the city and you can build 450+ m² house. But people prefer 36 - 44 m² apartments in Murino for $47 000.
What you write here is not exactly what I was saying about. Low price is not an excuse for a loosy planning and antihuman anthills with no infrastructure. And no, don't be naive, people are not agreeing on conditions. Go to their VK group and see what they discuss. They all demand for more parking lots, schools, kindergartens, police dept, polyclinics, more road connections with Saint Petersburg, and more.
@@realrussiablog they got what they paid for.
And yes, and no. The thing is Russia already have enough of examples of how they develop way better neighborhoods in the same price range.
@@realrussiablog Sergei, unfortunately, near a metro station in St. Petersburg there are no new areas in the same price range. More or less good areas with an average number of storeys are two times more expensive per square meter.
Sergey, I really appreciate your great videos! One thought: This development is indeed high-density, but it is much better & more modern housing than most people in the world have. I expect that every unit has central heating, hot H2O, kitchen, bathroom with shower, and modern fire safety sensors & sprinklers. Guess what? We could use housing like this in coastal California, where we have an affordability crisis. Finally, these high-rise buildings make very efficient use of land. Holiday Greetings, BBoucharde USA
Agreed
It will be hilarious if you will actually start building those modern commieblocks in Cali. Then the ironical name of that state, Commiefornia, would fit it even better
@@ivansychevainen7076, Mid-rise & high-rise apartment buildings (5 stories+) are already common in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Oakland, Los Angeles, Long Beach, & San Diego. But, we need more of them in areas where hypocritical Green Neo-Marxists are concentrated: San Diego's northern suburbs, San Fernando Valley, Ventura-Oxnard, Santa Barbara, Goleta, San Luis Obispo, Monterey area, suburbs of San Jose, SF Peninsula, Berkeley, Contra Costa County, Marin County, Wine Country, and Santa Rosa area.
there are no sprinklers, but there is a fire hydrant on every floor.
Shut up
To each his own, I'd like to live there. The only problem is parking. Remember, guys, this place is not some stand-alone city in the middle of oklahoma! Who needs parks and entertainment when you have huge and beautiful downtown 30 minutes away?
true. many pluses!
Parks and "green areas" are a must around residential areas in my opinion. I don't want to go to the city center or to the countryside for that, I want to pass by and through them on a daily basis just to lighten up every day life.
I saw a soccer park
Unpopular Opinion it’s hard go away from Murino, Devyatkino etc by the car, because of traffic, especially morning/evening
Unpopular Opinion buses stop in the same traffic with the cars, because there is only 1 narrow road from Murino to Petersburg
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I live outside of Atlanta. Close to the North Georgia Mountains. With Tree's all around us. This is so alien to me. I could never imagine living in a place like this. it's soul crushing!
I always enjoy these video's on real estate and ordinary citizens living environment. Just real news from real people. Keep up the good work Sergey.
It's just an endless amount of high-rise and flat buildings with no social infrastructure and environment for a comfort living.
...Basically everywhere in VietNam!
Awesome video Sergey Im a big fan, this was filmed great too Id love to see more stuff like this,
The reason behind these ugly skyscrapers isn't mentioned by Ilya Varlamov nor by you. And the reason is poverty. I'm from Saint Petersburg, and our family was resettled from communal apartment to similar, but little bit better social housing. The second place you showed in the center of Saint Petersburg has mid-range prices ~10 mil rubles, our apartment is around 4.5 mil rubles, and we have 300k rubles per year for family of three in better case. How we supposed to get 5.5 mil rubles? People buying this mess because it's dirty cheap and they simply can't afford anything else.
Клоун что ты ноешь. Когда твою семью переселяли из коммуналки новую квартиру тебе дали бесплатно.
I am from NYC and stayed in Tsarskaya Stolitsa (The neighborhood at the end of the video). Those are great buildings. Quiet, nice, convenient. A few little shops down stairs. Internal court yards. My building had a day care downstairs. Lots of bars and shops on the way from the metro. A beautiful church right outside your window. Parks near by and it's a few blocks from the river. I would absolutely live there permanently in a heartbeat.
What was the rent like and the year/duration of your stay?
And nos. of rooms?
@@learndesignwithdev Well the apartment I stayed at was actually two adjacent apartments combined into one so it was pretty big. Two full bedrooms, two full baths. It was an Airbnb during the world cup so I don't know the real price.
yes, people who say it's bad, ought to try it out. when I lived in Bangkok, I enjoyed my apartment, and the ease to get around the city.
@@VladFTA. Ohh, I thought you were there for studies or work assignment. Thanks for the info.
Look like government BUILDINGs of bronze
Damn I cant spell bronze
Holy christ
Well, this kind of architecture remembers me what we called New Cities in France in the 80's.
Long and high buildings to put maximum people in it. Nothing for people to have fun and specially for teenagers.
The original renters gone away to houses and migrants took place because infrasturture became old and useless.
Drug came in with gangs and safety went away.
So I hope these places in St Petersbourg will not turn in that way.
Future home for rapists and drug dealers
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Love the drone shots Sergey! I agree they have really overdone it in the Murino district. Not one bit surprised to hear that once the apartment is bought you won’t hear from the developer again. Damn shame to put this in such an elegant city.
Crazy. How depressing.
Stop having kids then. Your over populating the world.
Bridges Dont Fly you have no logic
@@mrknowmyself
No you have no logic. Stop having so many kids and your life will be good. I'll bet your a single mother.
@@mrknowmyself
Your complete garbage
@@BridgesDontFly haha its about competence do u even realize Paris is the most densly populated city in the world?
And wth is about single mom
still looks better than the best part of my town...
Which town in Northern England are you from?
@@googlesucks7840 I am from Bulgaria 😂
@@samuil-vasilev Then my friend, you can count your blessings.
This is your best video yet ! Very informative !
Very informative video. Thank you for sharing. Best wishes to you this New Year.
Insightful. This is a problem globally. Psychologists have written on the effect of architecture on people’s minds and being a trigger for anti social behaviour and crime.
Crime is very low in St Petersburg possibly because there are so many emotional and intellectual outlets just over the border into the city limits.
To the developers: stop building crap and start designing a future with quality of life and architectonic beauty accessible to all.
It's a house out of the rain and weather. It has a bed, bathroom and kitchen. That's enough.
Who will pay for that?
Great editing and information. Thanks for sharing your honest opinions
I'd go mad with no circles or curves in my life. Good vlog buddy. Mark
I agree with you in this is just sad treating the people like cattle. Not a fun video but still a good video my friend.
6:46 he mentions about the entrance not being ground level, I would assume having the entrance a meter or two above would be very beneficial in areas prone to snowfalls and or heavy rain. I could be wrong but perhaps that was one consideration when they decided on that. Could also just be the grade of the landscape one end of the building could be below while the other end above?!
That development would get a couple awards for innovative urbanism and design (especially that pedestrian mall) if it was built recently in the US.
A lot of Russia looks depressing but many places are also breathtaking, you have both in close proximity. For example, the soviet buildings are super depressing, soulless, characterless. But the old Russian architecture, parks, the churches are breathtakingly beautiful, they have soul, they have life, they have style and culture that is what the modern world lacks.
"comfort living" costs money
Developers are building what sells.
Thieve style of buildings are cold and so dangerous in many, many ways, too many people, crime and GOD forbid, imagine a fire??? It’s scary. Thank you Sergei, another good and informative video!
Great video, man!
Great video my friend. It’s been proven so many times how you cannot keep people in huge numbers together like that.
I remember being 7 visiting my grandma in a new development. They didn’t have any recreational areas either but at least they had a forest nearby you could go exploring.
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This is the future of humanity everywhere, for those who can afford the increasing cost of real estate. Most of the gutted middle class and working class will live in flavelas and the poorest will live in homeless Camps a few dozen miles outside of cities.
So right and sad!
Move to the countryside. Idk how it is in your country, but in Russia it would be much cheapier then living in a city. Idk why people actually still tend to move to the cities, seems like some kind of masochism to me.
What are these apartments like inside? Spacious? Well equipped?
I think this goes for the entire Eastern Europe! The same real-estate boom in Romania also, similar future ghettos!
Ugly and soulless concrete boxes, apartments shouldn't be higher than single level.
Yep, all the people saying “oh it’s not that bad” are full of shit. That place looks soul killing. Couldn’t imagine being able to smile living there.
California would like to have a word with you (I say that in jest, but seriously...density is not inherently bad, neither is height, but design and planning can outweigh any problems facing those :) )
Oleg Bauer no I definitely wouldn’t. I’m not you
@@MustObeyTheRules Western-style single-family home Suburbs are far worse for the soul. Having to have a car for any need since low-density housing has to be larger and very inefficient, every system of a home has to be repeated in thousands of houses that cover many sq km per thousand people. High rise with central heating, power and water systems means lower cost and less expensive maintenance.. Anyone has to drive many km of groceries or work and fighting traffic to get back into the city center for entertainment or fine dining from the suburbs leads to being isolated in the US. Here in St Petersburg, it cost $0.70 ( 45rubbles) to get into the heart of the city in 25 minutes by metro(fast deep underground subway that is spotlessly clean beautiful and reliable)
I was never a city person, growing up in suburbs in California I headed for the mountains for my first purchased home a small house on 20 hectares of land with the nearest neighbor being 1 km away was great. But I did enjoy visiting cities and never would live in the soulless suburbs again, I moved to St Petersburg Russia 20 years ago and love this city life, right in the heart of things and never bothered with a car. The access to culture, art, social activities, museums concerts drama, all within walking distance or like tonight heading out to dance in a club until they close at 6am. LOVE IT. None of that is available in western suburbs or even western cities with very few exceptions.
Great point of wiev Sergey, and great video. an important message to authorities. love your accent by the way
I live in a trailer home in the southern USA, so I don't have the best place to live. however I have my own space. This looks like too many people in a given area. And the fact that you have to walk
a distance to get groceries, find entertainment. i guess it is better than being homeless. Still it is far from ideal
You are correct very poor civil planning hard to believe considering the vast alternatives
Great video. I've noticed that China builds concrete boxes like this as well but they didn't have much choice because of their massive population and booming growth. Russia has no reason.
Capitalism is only the reason.
My relatives bought an apartment there and they are pretty happy. It’s a regular residential district, what’s bad about it? Park? There’s literally a forest around the corner. It takes 25 minutes to reach the historical center by car. Apartments are huge, finishes are solid, prices are low. If we only had anything like that in Canada, it would solve the housing problem altogether. Here we are paying a million dollars for 80 sq meters condo made of freaking cardboard, which leaks after what Canadians consider a major rainfall (read a bit of rain in Russia).
It's way worst version of the Soviet sleeping districts. But even the Soviet districts was not as anti-human and awful as this one. Yet, if for the Soviet times it was forgivable, because they were a pioneers and they just never knew to what it will lead to, then now everybody knows to what it will lead too. And instead of making a nice housing, they are making an anthills.
They are thinking they are happy because they are just moved there. All the shit they will start feeling later. Or they are older people who grew up in the same shitty districts, so we have the people with awful taste.
It's also fun to see how you send people to the forest. On 100k residents there is literally thousands of Mum's with kids, including very small kids. So you offer them going to the forest for a walk? Nice!
For 25 minutes you will not even leave the districts. Read the their VK groups about their complaints how they are staying in jams on exit and entrance to the area. Because nobody cared of it. They have only one narrow road on exit - for Murino and neighbor Bugryi. And look at how they are bitching each other just because of the traffic light on the intersection where Murino meets Bugryi. How all those seem like normal people immediately turns into a shitty animals who is ready to kill each other because they are thinking the traffic light is working not fair enough.
Lack of trees, kindergartens and schools. Full absense of polyclinics, police dept and fire depts, a very high rate of rentals to labor migrants who, unfortunately, just destroy everything around. It's not a hate speech, it's a fact - "this is not mine, so I don't care" psychology.
After all, in a happy districts people are not recording the video messages to Putin to help.
Oh and did I mention abundance of parking, AMAZING playgrounds for children (which are virtually non-existent in most American cities, unless we are talking about public parks), and grocery stores, salons, bars, cafes, etc. By most standards, they actually did a decent job urbanism-wise. The main problem is public transportation--there's no metro station nearby and there're only a couple of two-lane roads connecting it to the rest of the city. That's the real negative, but easily solvable in future.
@@realrussiablog The mention of the forest was with regards to green spaces and ecology. Mum's with children can enjoy dozens of playgrounds and walking spaces in the inner yards. There're schools and kindergartens--at least where I've been. For sure, there're problems and lack of this and that--this is Russia after all in all its beauty! :) Keep in mind that they are still building out. When I was a kid we moved to then under-construction Pyatiletok St (metro Bolshevikov) and it took a couple of years for the district to become properly inhabitable and convenient, but then it was and still is fantastic with any kind of facility you can think of. By the way, to be precise, there're two parts to Murino--one belongs to the Saint Petersburg municipality and another - to Leningradskaya Oblast'. Which one are you talking about?
Dude, already for 6 years to all critics the resident of Murino just say - I've it a time. But nothing except millions of square meters of concrete boxes are not coming.
Since when those playground kids are amazing? Very nominal loosy playgrounds surrounded with an endless horizons of extra tall human anthills. There is the scene I move camera for 360 degrees and we see nothing but ugly anthills.
Here it will not working same as in your Soviet district. Because back then the Soviet developers had a general plan. Here they don't have any plan. Look at planning - now even if they will want to - there is just no place for any other social objects and parks. Except that another empty field behind. But guess what? Greedy developers will just construct there just another cheap housing. The chance to develop a modern quality district in a clean field (blank list) is totally missed in its worst way.
P.S. I to say honest yet never mentioned some other really bad things which are already existing there. So the process of ghettization is started. Look, nowhere in the world such a housing did well. Nowhere. Murino will not be an exception. People will realize it soon. Many already did.
Why is he acting so astounded as if he's seeing a misbehaving alien? Obviously these were built without any bells and whistles so to speak because there will always be people who cannot afford anything better or prioritise cost over anything else, which isn't that unusual under certain life's circumstances. These are ideal if you're a student, staying in the city short-term or maybe as a starter home if you're a single professional.
I live in Russia and I’m literally scared of those human anthills. They grow like mushrooms in my area and it’s not just overloads roads and infrastructure in general but also looks bad. Idk if ppl who grew up in USSR have allergy on normal colors or what but they tend to build super colorful and crazy stuff that looks disgusting. I have no idea how we gonna deal with it in the future and it’s sad:(
In the Netherlands it is gettinf worse as well, ugly buuildings pop up with abnormal colors. I personally think that it would be cheaper to build something traditional than to build this Brutalist bullshit.
Similar phenomenon in China. There, they are called “ghost cities” and some of the buildings are falling over a few years after construction.
yep. construction is substandard.
@Mor Dor Dude, you need to chill. William was referring to the cities in China where a similar model was employed and now the buildings are deserted. This aligns very much with what Sergey was saying. And ANY building, if left deserted and unmaintained will eventually collapse. I don't understand why you are so angry about other people's perspectives here.
@@cycocase Thanks. That was very nice of you.
At 11:11 you mention the name of Stars Capital or Царь Капитал? I could not find this ЖК on Yandex. Please could you give the correct spelling of the ЖК?
Tsar's Capital. In Russian: Царская Столица
@@realrussiablog Спасибо вам!
I don't see the issue. There's a lot of space between buildings and the stores are ok. Add some trees, some schools/children's places and it would be ok. The entrances do seem a mistake, they're bad for accessibility. But if the buildings are built to last, this is quite nice