Are Partial Saiyans Stronger Than Full Saiyans?
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- In this video, I argue several points that argue whether or not full saiyans or partial saiyans are the stronger race when evaluating all of their different abilities and capabilities. I'd love to hear your thoughts below.
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Simple explanation: Hybrid-Saiyans are usually more in touch with their emotions than full Saiyans, it makes it easier to transform for hybrids.
I have a theory of why partial Saiyans may be stronger than full-blooded ones, related to their Zenkai ability:
Since the Zenkai allows a Saiyan to grow stronger from a near-death or similar experience, could it be that when a Saiyan is concieved with a human, and the genes of the human try to weaken the genes of the Saiyan, that this early experience kicks in the Zenkai and makes the Saiyan-genes (or cells) grow even stronger than before in order to overcome the influence of the human genes? I mean the Saiyan parts that made up Cell weren't even 50% and he was still cabable of achieving the Zenkai-boost so Half-Saiyans should be able to use it.
+Strifuhn I have a more simple theory. It´s simple genetics. A half saiyan, half human (hybrid, like Gohan) is gonna have more gene diversity than an ordinary saiyan or human. An example found in nature, a liger, hybrid of a tiger and a lion, they´re stronger, bigger and faster than ordinary lions and tigers, genetic diversity is the key to that. In other words, like a liger, Gohan along with Goten and Trunks are freaks of nature basically.
it isnt a recessive trait its passed down naturally idk if the same goes for pan but i think the strength of the zenkai trait is determined by your potential which is why goku and gohan always had the biggest power boosts
+Overdose Divided well, the liger is a poor example of this
The Liger is larger than the Lion and tiger, but this massive size makes them very impractical and unfit for their environment, they're far too slow and require far too much food to be active. They more than often die while in utero or die soon after birth.
All male ligers have also all been sterile, like Mules....They also inherit many many health problems and have a massive vulnerability to diseases.
If Gohan followed this example, there'd be a whole bunch of problems
submissivelover
I´m just saying that, evolutionary speaking, it´s the same principle. It´s obvious extraterrestrial life of any kind could never reproduce with something on this planet in the first place.
Overdose Divided Nah, i get that, i'm saying, variation isn't always an advantage and that the liger was a poor example of this.
I believe that partial Saiyans _can_ surpass full Saiyans because _a fraction of a Saiyan's power level is passed on to the offspring_.
Full Saiyans are _naturally_ stronger, but partial Saiyans _have the potential_ to surpass them if they train harder than the full ones.
Just look at Gohan!
And Goten and Trunks don't have tails because they were removed at birth.
GT doesn't count. It's non-canon.
Nah Goku solos
Half Saiyans are generally stronger then the full blooded Sayian when they train and put their mind to fighting. Gohan in reality is stronger then Goku when he taps into his full power. Half Sayians are also half human they inherit the passive gene of being a human. Half Sayians are generally more peaceful in their nature and their blood lust is not as strong as a full blooded Sayian.
delirous8 Weird how some of the potentially strongest DBZ chars are wasted...
True I wanted Gohan to be like his father. You would think as a child growing up around Z Fighters and having a father constantly protecting Earth that is becomes a lineage thing.
delirous8 Yep, but when you have a "Chi-Chi" for a wife, shit happens...
i assumed they cut off goten and trunks tell at birth because they knew they would turn to apes like goku and gohan. piccolo witness it first hand with gohan and bulma and chi chi did as well. They didn't necessarily have to show there whole birth in the show it could of just been assumed.
Thank you! Finally someone gets it!
Akira just kinda forgot about it
Kevin Echols-EL
This could be true or it could be genes. Maybe that unique gene just wasn't inherited when conceived.
+It'sJaka! yea
+It'sJaka! yea
Nice argument Quamaan, but Akira Toriyama already said in an interview that Gohan is the strongest unfuzed character in the series. So the edge goes to the half Saiyans in total. Even Vegeta said in the beginning of DBZ that mixing Saiyan genes with human genes can make a race of Saiyans that are stronger than the original. And when asked by Nappa if they should take Gohan and few other humans to restart the Saiyan race, Vegeta flatly said no because he didn't want to deal with anyone that would get stronger than them.
but half sayians still don't train
OfficialGrimmjow
Says who? Goten obviously to have been doing some training if he went Super Saiyan. And once again, the CREATOR OF THE SERIES ha started that the Half Saiyan Gohan is THE STRONGEST unfused character. That's the end of the discussion right there. Who's stronger? Full or partial Saiyans? According the CREATOR it's the Half Saiyans. Arguing about it is as logical as arguing who's the strongest human in DBZ. The creator did it's Krillin so it's Krillin. It doesn't matter if you think it's Yamcha or Tienshinhan, Akira Toryama said it ain't them so it's not them. Hell, even Goku said Gohan was gonna be stronger than him, how can you argue facts when the CREATOR of the series already did what's what? Get over it.
Davone Fisher that's just one fucking character with you biased ass! and vegeta and goku both surpass him in power...so you get over it full sayians>half sayians
Davone Fisher who was the strongest in the end of dbz with out counting BOG
Hajhar94
I would like say it was Goku, but the only reason Goku beat Majin Buu was because he got everyone on earth to power up the Spirit Bomb and he was brought back to life in the middle of firing the Spirit Bomb, so that revitalized the energy he lost fighting him earlier and it gave the Spirit Bomb that little bit of extra power to take him out.
I remember reading and seeing too many things to count growing up that Half saiyans were stronger but I'll see what this video says lol :)
Well now that you probably saw the video what do you think now? Btw Jaxblade, I wanted to thanks for all your support man. When you discovered my channel I had about 1k subs. Now I have over 13k and a big part of it is you who continuously shared my videos. Thanks alot man.
Qaamans Land I came when you had like 900
Qaamans Land You made great statements man and i agree. also I'm happy to help :D I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE Dragonball series to a point where its affected me greatly since childhood making me weight train, do martial arts, & be kind and humble lol and seeing a fan like you who is also extremely passionate about it and makes these outstanding videos was made me want to do my best to share his videos wherever i can ^_^. I'm glad to see how much you've grown. Keep it up man ^_^
Qaamans Land how come u included gt even though its non cannon but did not count broly because he is not cannon. That makes no sense
JaxBlade Thanks. Any advice or tips you have?
but didn't tori say he just forgot to draw tails on trunks and gotenks
Yep. Just like he forgot about SSJ3, and the color of Android 18's hair.. He made it purple for Super, and his team had to correct him on it.
+Saimeren where we're they at for trunks 😂😂😂😂
He thought ss3 was ss2 he's clueless
Hybrids can get stronger faster, but they are ultimately weaker. Unlike pure- bloods, hybrids do not have the natural drive to fight/train. They don't have the drive to realize their potential.
That’s what piccolo said about gohan and was flatly wrong
A lot of this is because toriyama forgets so much
Exactly. Endless times has he forgotten about Ssj2 and many other things. This leads to so much fan speculation and whatnot.
so true,Toriyama forgot so many thing + his writing is clearly lacking
AT is borderline senile lol
Thanks for pointing out that mystical gohan is stronger than SSJ3. I don't know why I even have to argue that with people who watched the series
Whoever said ss3 was stronger than mystical needs to rewatch the series. It was clearly said gohan was the strongest unfused warrior. Which means he was stronger than goku who could go ss3. Now that doesn't mean goku would lose in a fight against gohan either.
vizardhoas
Foreal lol. Ultimate Gohan was bodying Buu with ease and SSJ3 Goku and Gotenks were both struggling. Do you think Gohan would have been able to beat Kid Buu if he'd fought instead of Goku?
Lee Smoove Ahh hell no, I think kid buu would rape the shit out of gohan
I personally think Ultimate Gohan being much stronger than SSJ3 and the fact Kid Buu couldn't easily K.O. SSJ2 Vegeta...I think Gohan could beat him.
The only people who would argue that SSJ3 > Mystic Gohan would be huge Goku fanboys/girls... it was blatantly obvious in both manga and anime that Mystic Gohan was miles ahead of Goku SSJ3 in strength...
And if you dare use Wrath of the Dragon as an argument to proving it wrong... I have 4 words for you...
*It. Is. Not. Canon.*
It was also stated by the author himself that Mystic Gohan was the strongest unfused Z-fighter. I believe he wasn't just slightly stronger than Goku either... he was in a totally different league.
Gohan is strong because his father is extremely strong and his mother is the devil
Wtf😂
Part-saiyans have more emotional control, and therefore the rage is easier to control and rise, meaning its easier for humans to reach the form, as Full-Saiyans, apart from Goku, are quite emotionally limited due to their society.
Yes, while Humans have an easier time utilizing rage.
What about their tails? Does losing it makes them stronger? Which is better pure blood or half blood?
is cell considered a saiyan ?
ManSLIceX no he's an android
Qaamans Land That's not necessarily true not going by the definitions of the word at least he is a biological creation made with living cells (haha get it cells and cell?) I'm not going to go as far as calling him as sayain as he's kind of a mutt and can't really claim any one breed or race my on;y point is he can't really be called an android (not even the androids can as they are still half human they are more cyborgs)
Qaamans Land He *is* partially a Sayan, for f+++s Sake ... ... ... ... >_>
A Sayan, a *Namek* - a Human - a Changeling - *AND* an Android. Absolutely OP!!!!
ManSLIceX Cell is a being comprised of genetic material from several different species. The exact specifications of how he's designed is incredibly vague, however sharing genetic information with another creature doesn't implicate you as a member of its species. You're not a chimpanzee, therefore Cell is not a saiyan.
Cell simply is what he is: an artificial life primarily installed with "fighting genes."
Ty Black Thats no really punny *badumtshh* because that's why he was named cell
Personally I believe half saiyans have a definite advantage in power, however I also fully agree with the desire to fight rule. Because partial saiyans don't have the same drive to fight they won't feel the need or desire to train almost constantly which will put them at a disadvantage in the long run.
Toriyama forgot to draw Trunks and Goten with tails. If he'd remembered then this whole video would be different
What if the super saiyan 3 thing effects Goten and Trunks because they fused? Because my logic is that half a saiyan plus another half of a saiyan equals 1 full saiyan. That would also explain why Gotenks is much more boastful and arrogant than their normal selves, humans are shown to be more loud and obnoxious in dragonball than saiyans. And there is one full human in Gotenks by default.
2 Saiyan/Human Hybrids fusing makes another Saiyan/Human Hybrid
You're essentially saying that Gotenks is 100% Human and 100% Saiyan.
And with that logic, Vegito/Gogeta is 200% Saiyan.
This is so stupid. Gotenks is still half human and saiyan.
***** Yet, as a fused being, he's two people in one. This would make 100% of Gotenks power comparative to 200% of a singular being's power. So 50% of Gotenks is saiyan, while 50% is human, which is comparable to 100% saiyan and 100% human in an individual.
ShallowShi Except that's not how neither Fusion nor genetics work.
Fusion upgrades the power of fusion far beyond the fusees themselves. Compared to Full-Saiyans or Full Humans are not explained (especially since the power varies greatly)
Fusing is not much different than having an offspring.
ShallowShi would that mean gogeta is 200% saiyan so do you think regular or ssj1 gogeta could beat ssj3 gotenks
The way I see it is, Full saiyans have a stronger body which allows them to take more blows and continue to fight, thus having the stronger body means they can train for longer and thus have more endurance, partial saiyans inherit a certain amount of their power from their parents meaning they are a lot stronger at a younger age and seem to be able to grow in power at an increased rate, but being half (We'll just say human for now) his body isn't as strong as full saiyans so he's not able to fight for as long and take as many blows in battle.
Qaamans Land Nice video bro, but I disagree on one thing, and that's the fighting potential. Half-saiyans do not get the edge just because they have human emotions, because doesn't Goku have "human" emotions as well? Not because he has human blood, but because he was raised by humans, and grew up believing himself to be one of them. Just look at how he reacted when Krillin died vs how Vegeta reacted when he heard is father had been killed, and home world destroyed. Goku had a much more human reaction, wouldn't you say? This is how Goku was able to be the first SSJ in thousands of years, and it's because he had the emotions of a human mixed with the power of a saiyan, the perfect combination. So I would even argue that if Trunks, Goten, and Gohan been raised on Planet Vegeta instead of Earth, they would have been MUCH weaker, and it's because they would have been taught at an early age to keep their emotions in check, unlike on Earth.
To me it seems hybrids achieve super Saiyan early because of their emotions, but then they plateau afterwards. whereas full blooded Saiyan's take longer to achieve super Saiyan they continue to perfect their fighting abilities to to become stronger. hybrids lack this inherent desire and will, (Saiyan pride). this pride is what allow Goku and Vegeta to ascend to new heights consistently. hybrids lack the pride which is why they plateau.
No need to argue or debate about this. It was confirmed by Vegeta immediately after Raditz's death in the Manga.
Oh yeah, true.
Wait so which race is stronger???
Think about it like this. Yamcha was able to surpass even the Ginyus after a few months of being dead. Now imagine if he was a half Saiyan. His power would be through the roof and he might've been just as strong as Vegeta, if not Goku.
Interresting theory, i do agree that the capabilities to turn into a super saiyan is genetic, and human emotions could potentialy play a role. However:
I was surprised you din't mention at witch point they would turn super saiyan.
As far as i remember the first time a super saiyan was seen in DBZ was when Goku fought Freeza (Common knowledge). From what i understood from the combination of narrator voice and general context SSJ form could be achieved by "Surpassing the limit of the body" and then some rage/passion. If we assume that is true then these rules apply:
- SSJ can be archived by a combination of surpassing the limits of the body and rage.
For full-blood saiyan that is both a physiologically and emotionally a very daunting task to complete. Since considering that they as a warrior race has a very high bodily potential. That is to the point that in the entire SSJ history its portrayed more as a myth than actual facts. you have to consider that they fight for a living.
Goku and Vegeta only archived it after an immense amount of training. It could also explain that Goku is so strong despite being deemed with low potential:
He has an (relatively) easier time breaking it.
For the half-blood saiyans the same rule apply, only with a key difference:
Their half human body is actually weaker than saiyan body, witch paradoxically give them more potential than "Real saiyings" because they can easier break the limitations of their body.
That would of course imply that at the point were they "Break their potential" they will be weaker than when Goku and Vegeta did, but that doesn't mean that their SSJ form is weaker. (lets leave that for discussion)
Further generations of 1/4 breed or even 1/8 and 1/16 will have a very easy time going SSJ. Could we imagine that the saiyan blood will merge with the entire human race there is 3 options:
Option 1: The genes are so deluded that is is no longer possible to archive SSj-form, only exceptions would be extremely rare cases.
Option 2: Everybody can turn SSj just like the half-bloods. Alternatively it could a a weaker "Super-human"-form
Option 3: It has become easier and easier to archive SSJ/SH -formduring the generations, to the point that every human can do it from the moment of their birth. If its still a SSJ-form with the same strenght, it would make this hybrid human/saiyan race the strongest race to ever exists (possible exceptions: possible god races, and Buu)
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In Gohan's case, he is a partial saiyan, but has proven on multiple occasions that he can surpass the full blown saiyans with his raw potential, especially if he trains. Sadly, his mentality isn't conducive to fighting.
The thing about why goten and trunks didn't have tales was that when Akira was asked about it he just said he forgot they had tales lol.
Mystical Gohan was the strongest, period.
ssjg bro
Mitch O'Brien And Beerus and Whis would gladly disagree with both of those statements. The Dragon ball Z series has definitely changed thanks to the new movies made by Toriyama himself.
yusei151 Mitch O'Brien Key word "was." Aside from Buu's later forms and fused characters, Mysic Gohan was the strongest character at the end of DBZ prior to BoG.
Mystic Gohan couldn't handle Buu when he absorbed gotenks however goku easily overpowered him
Akira Toriyama, the creator, said Gohan was the strongest. Not me.
I think I would disagree because I think half bloods ssj transformed so easy because of there emotions they may lack that fighting nature like full bloods but I believe Goku is only the strongest ssj due to the fact he has the instinct of full blood with the understanding of emotions like humans
Didn't King Vegeta mention that their bloodline originates from a super saiyan?
Wow, I did not know that
If you have half water and oil in a cup and the same in another cup and you mix them together in a bigger cup, the content of the cup is still half water and half oil.
U said that only fullblood saiyans have tails so y does gohan have tail he's a hybrid
After the DBSuper series so far, I believe fullblooded Supersaiyans are stronger.
Two reasons:
#1 the fullbloodede saiyans are way more battle loving, than the half saiyans. Vegeta and Goku train a lot, while Gohan, Goten and Trunks are more laid back, only training, when there's a need for it. Even in DBZ Goten and Trunks were rather laizy during their training with Piccolo, while both Vegeta and Goku always train and use every second for training. Gohan also declines in power a lot, because he doesn't care for strength while the fullblooded definitally care for it.
#2 and this kind of goes hand in hand with number 1 is that the idea of the Saiyan power seems to be, that there is no limit to it. Excessing new and new SSJ-modes and receiving Zenkai boost after zenkai boost plus training leads to both Vegeta and Goku being nearly limitless. There was never a moment when both of them couldn't get any stronger or when they were at their maximum or had an ultimate form. Gohan on the other hand was quite maxxed out in the end of DBZ. After all he received to boosts that unlocked his true potential. Now it might be, that both Saiyans and Supersaiyans have the abilities to get stronger nearly limitless, but even if that's the case the halfsaiyans don't use it, since for characters who can become stronger without limit, training is integral, and the partialsaiyans are a little slacking in that regard.
However I do believe that partial saiyans have the edge over unlocking saiyan mode. BUT! In my opinion this is not due to a ssj-gene nor due to a lack for emotional control. I rather think it a mixture between constantly living among other saiyans and a human gene. Here me out on this: 1. I think living among other SSJ is rather helpful. So for (kid) Trunks to train with the SSJ-Vegeta, Goten to have both Gohan and (kid) Trunks around, Gohan to train with SSJ-Goku and (future) Trunks to train with (future)SSJ-Gohan makes it easier for them. We can see that with Vegeta who might have known about the SSJ-legend, but didn't know the first thing about the power himself - leading to him believing he just had to get stronger and stronger until he could call himself SSJ. He didn't know what a SSJ actually was, how it looked like, how to recognise a SSJ or how to become one. Only after Goku became SSJ did he know, what the SSJ actually was and knew what he trained for. Finally realizing that it was not power or even talent that turned him SSJ but pure rage. That also made it way easier for Goku to turn his son Gohan into a SSJ, even though Gohan (despite not being as young as Goten) was still quite young at that point. So just knowing what a SSJ is and how to become one in theory, makes it way easier to turn into SSJ themselves. Also demonstrated by Vegeta and Cabba in the DB Super series. My 2. argument, ist that due to the fact, that human live much shorter than Saiyans, who are supposed to stay young and strong for about 80 years, it makes absolutly sense for someone who shares both the genes of the longlived warrior race and the shortlived human race to unlock certain powers way earlier.
good thesis
during the buu saga the Kai's said that Gohan had the potential to surpass Goku if he kept training because he was a half blood and the human emotions are far more stronger than a Saiyans. hence Saiyans can reach an outstanding power boost thru emotions, usually anger or sadness
***** yeah but as far as I remember during the Super Anime / or in the BoG-film Whis said, that Gohan was strong, but only Vegeta or Goku had the potential to surpass Beerus, didn't he?
+Ari33sa Well that's now and we all know the only reason whis said that is because of the ssj god transformation but I'm speaking on the Z series not super because we all know that Gohan is a bitch now and can barely hold his ssj 1 form plus he isn't in his ultimate Gohan form anymore
*****
I think he still has his mystic form hasn't he? He's not as strong as he was during the buu saga, but at least the Intro seems to indicate that he can still use Mystic form.
The whole thing about Saiyan hybrids being stronger than pure Saiyans seems to be dropped immediately after the Cell Games. Gohan can't go SS3 like his pure Saiyan father and he requires a power boost from an outside source just to put him on par with his SS2 teen self. Likewise Goten and Trunks can't go further than SS without fusing first. And for now at least, the only SSGs are pure Saiyans.
Alex Steward
That's because Gohan, Goten, and Trunks have all either stopped training, or never trained hard enough to move beyond that.
Ummm...Goku was dead for 7 years. He had time to learn it in a place where his body had no limits.
Alex Steward If anything Gohan getting his power boost from the Grand Kai indicates the hybrids are the more powerful ones. I do agree with you that the concept of hybrids being more powerful was dropped. But I disagree on the time. I think it was dropped after DBZ ended, so the start of Battle of Gods and all the new shit coming out
mistic gohan is stronger than ssj3
***** actually Goku stated he could have beaten Fat Buu at SSj3 but decided to let Goten and Trunks handle it since...you know....at that time he was still dead and was on a time limit
You do know the only reason Goten and Trunks don't have Tails is because Akira Toriyama forgot about them. It always reminds me of how he forgot to draw Krillin's nose.
just do this...beat the shit out of a saiyan ...give senzu bean....repeat........:D
*****. At the point in the show were there was large numbers of Saiyans alive super Saiyan was thought to be just a myth
I think that the Zenkai boost depends on the strength of the opponent the Saiyan is fighting. There isn't much of a boost if the opponent isn't that much more powerful than you.
During the era of Planet Vegeta, none of the being Saiyans came in contact with were so powerful that it would cause a huge change in their powers. Only if a Saiyan could somehow survive a conflict with a Ginyu Force member or with Frieza himself that there would be a huge Zenkai boost.
Sure Saiyans could get a small Zenkai boost by purposely getting beat up multiple times by an opponent of the same or of weaker powerlevel, but it would most likely be a very small boost.
This is just a theory of mine though.
***** Still, you would think the Zenkai boost would push their levels up tremendously. Yet that is not the case. Vegeta's powerlevel only went up by a few thousand after his first huge fight with the Z fighters. It didn't go up by 100,000 did it. Also, the last time we see the Zenkai boost do any real effect was after Goku's fight with Ginyu. After that fight, his powerlevel jumped from the 100,000s to 3,000,000. However we still don't see the Zenkai boost have much an effect on the Saiyans after this though.
***** look at it this way if a more powerful saiyan hurt a lowerclass one wouldn't that mean his or her power would go up? if they did this the prolly could of won against freiza
let me add.....''not to kill'' ...part XD
Qaamans Land here is one: Gohan is said to be the strongest non fused characthers between the Z-fighters. Also that would mean that Gohan is stronger then Goku. If Goku was able to bring Bills to 70% (i belive it was) couldn`t Gohan have beaten Bills or at least bring him to 100% if he went SSJG??
i mean if Gohan went SSJG,
well there goes that dream... Gohan will never return to the way he was before... well at least Vegeta will get some screen time in the next movie. will be nice to see my second favorite characther gett some spot light, however Goku is probaly going to stealt or share it.....
they are? Akari did hint to a second movi, but he also said that he did not want to be rememberd as just the db guy. So since there is probaly going to be one more movie, it might be the end of Dragonball
Well that is true i am just trying to point out that the next movie might be the last thing we see from DB, at least from Akira
In theory hybrids are normally the strongest for anything
I mean if they actually trained to their potential, half saiyans have the ability to have more potential but don't share the same desire to train just as hard
Gotenks was
Half sayin and half human x half saying and half human
Making sayin and human
Thats not how you spell it its saiyan not sayin
Char izard 2 half sayains and 2 half humans.... 100% sayain and 100% human.... 200% Being?
Feesh Feesh You gotta look at in a genetic type of way, how dominant and recessive their saiyan and human genes are. Which we know Trunks and Goten are both 50% saiyan and 50% human, but when fused the saiyan gene is increased, so that probably allows them enough saiyan genetics to turn super saiyan 3.
JBeastly2291 see that's the problem because if their genes fused when they did that means that their DNA would start doubling up and they'd just be mutant freaks with no capability to fight, probably not even live ....failed fusions anyone?
JBeastly2291 I'm not sure where the idea of genetics came into play with Super Saiyan forms, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If SS were truly genetic, why would there have only been 1 SS in the last 10k years or w/e the show mentioned, and then suddenly multiple SS genes emerged at the same time. If it followed the standard dominant/recessive formula, more saiyans would have had the trait as well. I think that SS is just a state, that only a very powerful individual can obtain when they are pushed into an intense emotional state. Once Goku and Vegeta figured out the way to unlock SS, they could teach their offspring how to unlock the form as well. If SS were genetic as well, it would mean that SS2 was genetic, and why then could Gohan turn SS2 before his father? It makes more sense as a next tier of power, which can only be unlocked through intense training and emotional states.
gohan at his mystic form was the strongest of them all
That has nothing to do with "SAIYAN" abilities though
Ball Hockey Boy
Mystic Gohan is all his potential tapped into a trans. Nothing relating to sayian trans
Gohan is officially the strongest character in DBZ
Need to say it. The Human Sayians are stronger and have more potential. Every half Sayian Reached SS way faster than most of the Sayian race. Remember Vegetas surprise when kid Trunks did it and than he asked if Gotenks did. Gohan even surpassed everyone 's power level. Goku and Vegeta are Fighting and training Savants. While Humans are weaker they are more emotional and i feel like that combo helps them reach those peeks. Just look at the numbers Every half Sayian is a SS and before planet Vegeta was destroyed not one SS was produce. Except for Broly of course which appeared latter.
bulma and Vegeta already did it before Vegeta turned super sayian
saiyan*
no. when vegeta healed he trained went supersaiyan, then he did I with bulma
+ssj Nova nah they banged before he left
+Jalent Core Yep
what if partial saiyans have more potential due to the fact that they can control their emotions better than full blooded counterparts. not due to an inherent bp boost
I like this channel. Your videos are always interesting.
I always felt that vegeta simply did not want the ss3 transformation because it was too unstable and he seemed to perfect ss2 and never seemed to train for ss3
Great video , very informative and useful
I know that this hasn't happened in any of the new movies, but I hope something like it does happen somewhere down the line, so I'm curious to hear what others would have to say about this.
I would REALLY like to see all the non-saiyan fighters get a power up to make themselves relevant in the story again, so hypothetically, what if Krillin or one of the others sought out the dragon balls to make a wish to alter their DNA into saiyan DNA? Would Shenron make them full saiyan or half? And if they were full saiyan, would they still retain the same emotions they feel and would their personality stay the same?
0:27 "I WANNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN! I WANNA! IWANNAIWANNAIWANNA!"
Full saiyans and half saiyans which were born before their saiyan parent turned super saiyan are superior over half saiyans born after their parent has achieved becoming a super saiyan.
The raw experience they went through as well as the fact they also keep their tails means that even if not cannon they could become super saiyan 4.
Although if a saiyan did become super saiyan while keeping his tail. What would happen when he/ she looked at the moon? Would it be golden ape or just original ozzaru?
Well, in an episode or two, Goku stated that it isn't strength that makes your super saiyan, it's your will, or rage...or something like that, but It's defenitely not strength.
Not sure why anybody would think this given the fact there's not one half saying anywhere as close as strong as Goku or Vegeta
It was mentioned once (I think by raditz) that partial sayains are stronger than full sayains (paraphrasing)
Do all Saiyans receive a zenkai boost? I always figured that only the elite class received Zenkai boosts and that was what made them special. That was why Vegeta and Nappa were always going on about being elite and Goku was just a low class even though we see that Goku's zenkai boosts are just as potent if not more so than Vegeta's.
No you get out what you put in. Goku and Vegeta live and breath fighting and both are obsessed with pushing their limits and fighting the most powerful warriors they can find. None of the half saiyans have the same ambition. The only spike in power when the the og hold they hands.
i believe your wrong about the emotion part about full saiyans and half saiyans because if you were to look at goku he is the most emotional fight there is tbh just think about it a little more its quite possible but i think its not the saiyans or half saiyans i believe they all fight with huge amount of emotion just look at goku and gohan they both are quite the same (not thinking about the way gohan dislikes fighting) and then theres vegita and trunks they are completly different vegita fights with anger and then trunks fights more as a earthling. but this is completly my point of view its up to you to review this or not :)
Here's a thought. Remember Goku is the strongest sayain period. And because Gohan is his son he inherit Goku 's strength. Now since Gohan stop training he became weak. So my question is why isn't Pan the strongest? She inherits both Gohan and Goku's strength. And if not her, her grandson Goku Jr should be the strongest. Why because he has 5(really 4 since we don't know if his parent was a fighter or not) generations worth of sayainman power inheritance.
Goku (1st generation)
Gohan (2nd generation)
Pan (3rd generation)
Pan's child(if was a fighter 4th Generation)
Goku Jr (5th generation)
Very interesting video Qaaman
Yes and no hybrid saiyans are stronger I just think they peak faster then a normal saiyan does due to human biology, rather then saiyan biology where they age slower, in short term human saiyans are more powerful but in the long term a full blooded saiyan will continue to get stronger because full blooded saiyans crave to fight and get stronger where a human saiyan is only like that when they are young and tend to get complacent when they are older.
I would say that full blooded saiyans have a stronger fighting spirit. Goku and Vegeta seem much more concerned with fighting and training to become stronger just to raise their limitations. Half blooded saiyans are pretty passive when it comes to training, so they do not reach their full potential. I was talking to a friend not too long ago about why Gohan is so strong and has such hidden power. My friend brought up the blood relation with the Ox King being a possible reason. I had never thought of it that way, but if the Ox King had demon dna, it's possible that Gohan could have had it. So, I think full blooded saiyans have the greater fighting and training desire, but half blooded saiyans have the greater power potential if they trained just as hard and had the same competitive spirit. This can be evidenced by Gohan still being the strongest character (other than Goku) even without extensively training most of the series.
4:54 where's that clip from?
Maybe when he was in time chamber
saiyans and partials are equal in potential power, but partial saiyans have more of an edge in reaching that potential due to the human emotions, thats what i think
IMO Partial Saiyans start off stronger because their human (emotional) side helps kickstart their emotions and makes things like going SS easier (All the half saiyans achieved SS easily compared to Goky and Vegeta), but at the same time they wouldn't get anywhere near a full saiyan's full potential.
with DBS you argument becomes even more valid nice video =)
Vegeta was able to transform, it's just that he saw Goku couldn't keep ss3 for too much time, plus it consumed tons of energy making it a double edged sword, and so he decided to keep training in ss2 to become a fair match against a ss3
I ain't making this up, google it. I believe Toriyama said it to explain why he never transformed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Gohan has the tail trait and unique Zenkai boost thus giving him the possibility of SSJ 4 transformation, considering the manga
from what i can gather, they can transform easier because their human side lets them show their emotions more, whereas full saiyans typically keep their feelings to themselves. but at the same time, they lack the fighting spirit of full saiyans so there's no real answer as to which is better
What about power? pure blooded sayains have way way more destructive power that half sayains. also it seems he was just trying to find a reason why his favorite character trunks is one of the strongest
Read the first Dragon Ball Z volume
I think that partial sayans learn quicker
When it comes technique,butwould
Lose to a full sayian because there not born with skill and determination so when they do catch up to the full sayians at ss2,when goku and vegta at super sayian god
I think that Half Saiyans have the potential to be stronger (like when Gohan had his Potential unleashed) but because they are not full saiyans they do not have the desire to constantly train and be the best
i wish tarble, pan and bulla were able to transform super saiyan. Pan is a 3/4 human type earthling and 1/4 sayian. i would be surprised if there was at least one 3/4 sayian and 1/4 human type earthling. Pan s blood is more earthling type thank super sayian, pan s capabilities of becoming super sayian would me way difficult. For example, if tarble and pan had a child, that child would me 3/4 sayian and a 1/4 human type earthling, right?.
Or the fact that partial sayians may get hurt easier and more they still get the Zen kai boost
Now that super is out and future trunks is an ssj2 it is 100% confirmed that partials saiyans can do it without fusion
Becoming a Super Saiyan 2? You mean Gohan didn't prove that enough?
Vegeto30294 Idk honestly I've never enjoyed Gohan's powerups so it slipped my mind. Now it's proven that halfsaiyans can go ssj2 without some random plot device bullshit I suppose XD
Grant Plunkett
Nope, SSJ 2 always needed anger. Trunks when SSJ2 in his fight against Dabura and Babidi
Dr.Philry
Goku and Vegeta simply got it through intense training.
Grant Plunkett goten was shown to powerup consistently throughout the series from child to adult
Also keep in mind that full saiyans age slower and stay in their primes longer then half saiyans.
My question is about something Vegeta (Or was it Raditz) has said in the anime. When he reveals that the Saiyan home-world was destroyed, and the race almost wiped out, he also says that this has happened several times before. If this has happened so often, then wouldn't it be possible that the entire Saiyan race are only part Saiyan?
I mean this time only four Saiyans survived and they were all males. Other times would have left the population almost nonexistent and they would need new genetic material to prevent inbreeding. This could also explain why the Saiyans were getting stronger as time went on(As Vegeta said to Goku on Namek). Their blood was becoming more Saiyan and less another race as the dominant genes replaced the other races genes. I would appreciate an answer on what you think, if maybe I'm right or if I'm just being crazy. Thank you
Drive is important too, Goku is the strongest in the universe, because he always wanted to be better. Full Saiyans have that, Gohan could've been the strongest ever, but gave up training seriously.
Gohan had a tail too though, why do you assume Goten and Trunks never had a tail?
thats probably why goku is usually one step ahead of vegeta. goku grew up amongst humans therefore have more human emotions
It was stated that akira toriyama simply forgot the sayin tail when it came to goten and trunks. It wasn't because they couldnt. So they would've had one just like gohan if he remembered to give them one.
Question, since Gohan was born with a tail he can transform in an Oozaru. Because he could do that, doesn't it follow he could become a Golden Oozaru? When a saiyan recovers his sense of self as a Golden Oozaru, he becomes a SSJ4 so wouldn't Gohan be able to go SSJ4 since he has all the main requirements?
Also, Full sayains have super longevity (Longer lifespan).
This gives them an edge in terms of potential growth in training.
Partial saiyans, with their deluded Saiyan genes might not live as long. Combined with their lessened desire for combat and training, Partial saiyans aren't the best warrior.
Qaaman, while u make an interesting point about the super saiyan gene theory (which was one that i followed for quite a while), i deduced that its rendered null in this point becuz Vegeta had conceived Trunks b4 becoming super saiyan. If you look back at the series, After the 2 years they spent training for the androids, bulma shows up with trunks, but vegeta wasnt around as he was returning from his training on the random planet or moon that he was on, and didnt arrive until after the androids arrived. While he was on that planet, that was where he turned super saiyan, meaning he had to have conceived with bulma b4 leaving for training, meaning the super saiyan gene could not be passed on during conception since it wasnt activated until after trunks' conception or even birth. Just food for thought
I'd say human emotion in partial saiyans help them turn ssj
These videos confound me. All of these topics are just things that have been answered already. What exactly is there left to discuss?
when you talk about the tails in this, you mention gohan gets one, but then you reference goten and trunks, however all three of them are half sayains which means that its strictly up to fate whether or not they have tails.
+Qaamans Land , Have you considered that Goku can go into ssj3 because of training in outer world. While for hybrid saiyans this is just a natural trait of being able to focus energy. Look at kirilan or Tein as an example. They were extremely weak in comparison to power level. When it came to fighting they focused their energy into a destructive attack. The reason why Goku was able to take on Vageta is just another example of that. Being raised in an environment and learned from human fighters like Master Roshi using the Kamehameha ( a technique that requires you to focus your energy) over random power shots. Galant Gun is just another variation that Vageta uses although it is hard to determine how effective or powerful it is in comparison when they fight one on one for the first time. Vageta learns how to read and focus energy after that so anything afterwards would be an after effect of learning from his defeat on earth. Someone pointed out to me that Kirlian was actually doing well against the cell clones until he had to warn trunks of an attack and was hit. The idea is Tein and Kirlian both have different fighting styles and a better ability to compress energy. If you take Hybrids into account they have the ability to turn SSJ easier because they can focus their energy better than Saiyans. Gohan was suppose to be the most powerful character of the DBZ series until the writer found out a serious character flaw that he overlooked. Gohan's character cannot beat someone because of who he is therefore he cannot be made into the main character of the series. Also The creator tried to make powerlevel a bullshit theory throughout the series and the points he tried to make to say how pointless power levels are became the fuel to make those theories in the first place lol.
also goku and vegeta were close or passed ssj power when they got children so they got much of their power from their dads
Has it ever been explained why half saiyans are stronger than full bloods? Like, what's the reason for it, because I would actually think being part human would actually limit a saiyan's potential given the fact that humans are just naturally weaker than saiyans are, barring the obvious exceptions.
AnarkicLexx
It's arguable whether one or the other is stronger. But even if we assume it's the half-saiyans, I don't think it's ever been explained officially.
With Gohan, I just assumed the same thing this guy explained. He's more emotional, giving him "hidden power" that can be drawn on during extreme moments. Goku went SSJ because he was apocalyptically angry seeing his friend die, for example.
Vegeta casually killed his long time, faithful companion, Nappa. Bardock didn't give a shit about his baby. If those guys are typical full blooded Saiyans, then they seem to have an emotional deficit or repress their emotions more than humans.
Saiyans still have as much emotion as humans. Goku and all saiyans become super saiyan out of rage. Extreme powerful emotional rage. Goku felt rage loss and sadness when krillin died (from freiza) that's how Goku first turned.
There's one problem on 7:04 he says SSJ is a trait instead of working for it yet in future Trunk's timipline he got mad and turned into a SSJ.
Well since Goku was dropped on his head he has human emotion plus the saiyan will to fight and train and he has the full Zelnkai boost
Trunks does turn into a ssj2
so at 8:08 is it me or does that balloon have some super foreshadowing? ???
ha! u caught it bro, i noticed too lol.
yeah I caught that too. Dragon Ball SuPer haha.
lol. high 5 guys
Lol
Could you tell me what the song at 12:38 is? I remember having it in high school and I miss it, but can't remember what it's from.
Wow he predicted Trunks going SS2 2 years before the reveal.
there is one more factor, epigenetics
the supersaiyajin trasnformation might alter existing genes, just like real life factors alter human DNA at an epigenetic level, which in turn alters the quality of sperm
i think the zenkai boost runs in the saiyan genes but i think it's a variable, like it's effectiveness changes from person to person
and with the super saiyan gene i think so long as you have it you have access to all the transformations
It's stated in the original Japanese version, The reason Gohan is so powerful is because he's a Hybrid. This is said by Radits.
Goten and Trunks became SS as children!
They did mention the zenkai boost in the Frieza saga when Vegeta asked Krillin to injure him so that Dende can later heal him. Vegeta explains that when a Saiyan sustains life threatening injuries he gets a massive power boost, so it is mentioned.
at 8:09 there is a balloon with kid goku(?) and underneath it is D.B SP anyone know what that stands for
The same can be said for kid Trunks and Goten. It's been said are on Frieza's lev. that 125.000,000.
That's before they went into the Chamber. When they fighted super buu as a lev.3 I say they were well match.
Minute 8:08 in the balllon " d.b.sp" means dragon ball super ?
partial saiyans dont really have an edge in the super saiyan gene because that relies primarily on their parents being able to. The emotion theory can also be a major weakness in battle. Saiyans are often very angry and nothing else, making fights more intense. Emotions can cause different outcomes including sadness which would be a major weakness