Andrew Wincott wins Performer in a Supporting Role for Raphael | BAFTA Games Awards 2024

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  • @agirlnamedmichael1670
    @agirlnamedmichael1670 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +748

    They let him make a proper speech- the BAFTA Games Awards is awesome just for this

    • @dipanjandasgupta6170
      @dipanjandasgupta6170 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      EXACTLY! At least they are respectful and don't play music in the middle of a speech like they did with Neil at the other award

  • @goulasleves12
    @goulasleves12 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +372

    “Keep being creative. Keep creating these worlds, and maybe one day we’ll learn to protect the one we’re in.” I love that quote, and hope that for all of us. He gave an amazing performance. 😊

    • @katielulu
      @katielulu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      What's better then a devil you don't know a devil you do

  • @r0ckbass
    @r0ckbass 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

    This is a REAL games award show.

  • @SkatKat
    @SkatKat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +915

    No but what is this crazy thing, letting a person talk about the experience for 6 minutes! Insanity. Almost like we have a heart.

    • @gabrielripw0lf293
      @gabrielripw0lf293 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      not like game awards 10 sec, not even that

    • @Cooperal
      @Cooperal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      @@gabrielripw0lf293 I was thinking the same thing. I had a feeling of anxiety through this whole speech and I think the lasting impression of the most recent Game Awards left on me. They didn't blink messages at him to hurry up, they didn't start playing exit music prematurely, they didn't give two thirds of the time to paid promotions. They just let us take in the celebration.
      Neil Newbon looked like he had a gun trained on him at the Game Awards. He was on and off the mic in the space of a minute. He did well but you can tell from multiple things that he said that he was too flustered from the time constraints to compose himself and remember everything that he wanted to say. I would say poor guy, but the reason he was up there were reasons we are all proud of for him.

    • @gabrielripw0lf293
      @gabrielripw0lf293 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@Cooperal yeah man the whole show was about the new upcoming releases and not about rewarding the devs, the company, the actors that put the effort to make this gorgeous games. If money is problem with this kind of of show, maybe next time just host it home and that's it. That was a spit in the face for everyone that was there. Imagine wining game of the year and suddenly you see on the screen to hurry up. They didn't have a proper chance to announce the xbox release as well.

    • @TheJCghost
      @TheJCghost 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Its so great to see, but the people that watch this actually cares about the industry and the art of it. There so many that just want to see new releases

    • @SkatKat
      @SkatKat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Cooperal Absolutely, it feels so unpleasant when they're rushed. We're here to celebrate them, let them take their time!

  • @theobrominator
    @theobrominator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +365

    I loved every scene with Raphael in it. His voice acting was top notch. Well deserved!

    • @phrophannus
      @phrophannus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      *Performance capture

    • @nektoincognito5339
      @nektoincognito5339 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      sameeeee

    • @Thomas_667
      @Thomas_667 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Raphael is one of my favourite "villains" ever, his voice acting and writing and every single scene is just pure masterclass.

    • @nardvark5150
      @nardvark5150 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hands down my favorite character in the game..

  • @love-soba
    @love-soba 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +371

    It's hard to impress people with villains these days, but Raphael is such a wonderful combination of dramatic, devilish charm and just the right amount of ridiculous that I never felt bored listening to him. Applause!

    • @DaxterL
      @DaxterL 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's a sort of return to classics. Every now and then we have to dial back, rewind and perfect what was before so that we can continue in further creative stuff and to refresh our pallete as well. Honestly when it comes to art in the public view, throughout history it's like a cycle of: "This is the style -> We hate the style, we make our style with blackjack an hookers -> y'know retro sounds fun----" and then it keeps going back around and around. It's kinda fun.

  • @elizabethduffy2145
    @elizabethduffy2145 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

    The fact they didn't have his song ready to play him in was a missed opportunity, but so glad he won. Raphael was an amazing character with an incredible performance :)

  • @bubble8c492
    @bubble8c492 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +162

    Even his speech was impressive, he speaks so confidently and smoothly even in front of all those people for that long XD so deserved!!

    • @blueberryshake333
      @blueberryshake333 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Isn't he so smooth? He has a great voice and he knows it.

  • @lordcy9615
    @lordcy9615 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +125

    His voice is just butter.
    Also thank you to the Baftas for letting these amazing people fucking TALK.

  • @Michelle___xoxoxoxo
    @Michelle___xoxoxoxo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    Major congrats to him. If anyone doesn't know, he's a prolific audiobook narrator, so if you can't get enough Raphael, there's always that (Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn would be a place to start, imo lol)

  • @MC.617
    @MC.617 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    Congratulations Andrew, you brought Raphael to life with an amazing performance. Best voice in the business!

  • @ShoulderNo1
    @ShoulderNo1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

    Well deserved
    Even if he is contending with Cristopher Judge with the longest award speech of all time.

    • @-thrawn-
      @-thrawn- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Long speech but very entertaining and quite in-character for Raphael

    • @neville2308
      @neville2308 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Long but entertaining and interesting.

    • @supertavio2
      @supertavio2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We need more of those!

    • @Nukle0n
      @Nukle0n 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's fine if you don't have Al Pacino standing on stage waiting for you to finish.

    • @ВладиславБулаев-л3э
      @ВладиславБулаев-л3э 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It was the highlight of Christopher Judge's career, so I don't blame him at all. Also he played it off really well a year after the fact. Such a cool guy.

  • @tomrowell1558
    @tomrowell1558 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    So well-deserved, BG3 was a clear game of the year and Raphael was the most memorable character for me, on my third play through now and he’s the only one I wouldn’t dare skip any dialogue for!

  • @wajeehahmed93
    @wajeehahmed93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +127

    By far the toughest fight on BG3 for me and it happened to be earlier today when I was streaming. One of my viewers told me he won the award as I was in the middle of the battle with him.

  • @carbonfibercarpet4655
    @carbonfibercarpet4655 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    Thank you giving this man time to speak. Every word he speaks just sounds legendary.

  • @neville2308
    @neville2308 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    Good for him! He truly deserves it. Such a talented voice actor. I hope this success gets him many, many more roles.

  • @DepressionOfMyCat
    @DepressionOfMyCat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    ngl , best speech of that night

  • @ricksanchez1414
    @ricksanchez1414 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +128

    Hell,hell,hell has its laws...

    • @focusonthepie
      @focusonthepie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Hell, hell, effects and the cause!

    • @adalbert7636
      @adalbert7636 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Curtain falls, but HOLD your applause!

    • @breyererbest
      @breyererbest 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Squirm, squirm, for now down here come the CLAWS!

    • @caspy-fn
      @caspy-fn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Fools, fools, how hard you have fought

    • @malikovajana
      @malikovajana 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Brave, brave, but it's all been for naught

  • @ivanbarov
    @ivanbarov 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    What an amazing speech, truly amazing.

  • @doubledigital_
    @doubledigital_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    i love watching BG3 family win stuff
    so proud of them all.. one of the best games i have played in a VERY VERY VERY long time...

  • @henryweiland7761
    @henryweiland7761 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    That 6 minute speech flew by! This man is so entertaining and has such a smooth voice

  • @julietm.5425
    @julietm.5425 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Raphael easily became one of my favorite characters. Thanks to Andrew for bringing him to life

  • @noirmeitte
    @noirmeitte 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I'm most pleased that he got the award. (and the one for Borislav/Music)

  • @MakotoTachibanana
    @MakotoTachibanana 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I could listen to him all day he deserved his bafta Congrats 🎉

  • @nicolo4219
    @nicolo4219 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The quintessence of british charisma and manners.
    He IS Raphael throung and through.

  • @tanjakrone4147
    @tanjakrone4147 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The award win that made me the happiest! 😃
    What a voice, what a talent and what a charming man!

  • @ERICV.3
    @ERICV.3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    He gave us an amazing performance and deserved that win ❤

  • @Shamal.De-Sykes
    @Shamal.De-Sykes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Congratulations to Andrew! His voice & performance were absolutely spot on for the character he played, Raphael is captivating & charismatic, really enjoyed playing this game what a gem

  • @DirtyDeedsDoneDirtCheapD4C
    @DirtyDeedsDoneDirtCheapD4C 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I'm gonna do the Raphael ending now because of this!

  • @dafnewho
    @dafnewho 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Andrew is a gem. Well deserved ♥

  • @Vinicius-xm3cy
    @Vinicius-xm3cy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Deserved , his acting was top notch!

  • @sezkay1283
    @sezkay1283 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Fantastic, a well deserved award. & I don't think I've ever listened to a more entertaining speech.

  • @Nukle0n
    @Nukle0n 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Big congrats to Mr. Wincott. I remember him from games like Nexus: The Jupiter Incident and The Witcher 1, lots of smaller projects where he always stood out.

  • @lenakingsleigh
    @lenakingsleigh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I was honestly never so stoked and excited for anyone winning an award, than I was for Andrew! I've had the privilege to interview him a week before the BAFTAS and I can only say that he's an incredibly nice, humble and funny guy and I'm so proud of him for receiving all the recognition that he deserves! He just absolutely rocked it as Raphael!

  • @Roa-chan
    @Roa-chan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I'm so happy for him, absolutely love his role as raphael❤️

  • @scorpioninpink
    @scorpioninpink 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    That was a long speech but I didn't got bored.

    • @neville2308
      @neville2308 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Same! I was entertained the whole way.

    • @qcumber6652
      @qcumber6652 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      He showed us why he deserved the reward.

    • @ChasingTheEchoesOG
      @ChasingTheEchoesOG 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A trait of magnificent speaker. I could listen to him for hours.

  • @adarlingmess
    @adarlingmess 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Truly well deserved! Congratulations Mr. Wincott! And he's so supportive of us creatives in the fandom too! 🥺🙏

  • @Laura_Pkmn
    @Laura_Pkmn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Félicitations Andrew ! ❤️
    Ton interprétation de jouer Raphaël a été magistrale, tu le mérites amplement !
    Je suis si heureuse pour toi 😢😢

  • @bubble8c492
    @bubble8c492 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Im so happy for him!!! Raphael is my favourite character, he steals every scene he's in, i cannot think of a single line that could be performed better, he aced them all! I hope he enjoys his success and i hope we can see him in many different roles to come ^^

    • @ChasingTheEchoesOG
      @ChasingTheEchoesOG 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think of word "impeccable" when I hear him talk.

    • @nairazak_art
      @nairazak_art 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My favorite response was “until it was perfect”

  • @caseyclark7564
    @caseyclark7564 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Massive congratulations. So deserved!

  • @Ladyfaeyrys
    @Ladyfaeyrys 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Im so happy he won! Truly deserved. His performance as Raphael was amazing.

  • @sphinyal8758
    @sphinyal8758 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    So deserved! So happy for Mr Wincott! 🥰

  • @marcduhamel-guitar1985
    @marcduhamel-guitar1985 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thanks for letting Mr.Wincott speak! A standout performance in a cast which brought soul to this fantastic game. Cheers !

  • @SpoopyIris
    @SpoopyIris 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Well deserved! Im so happy for him!

  • @toknowwhyuneed3593
    @toknowwhyuneed3593 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love this man for what he did for Baldur's Gate 3. Really just a pleasure to listen to him. I've played the game a few times, but I can never skip Raphael's dialogue it would be like eating a world class scone in one bite, such a waste, you have to savor this man's performance.

  • @Squaredot01
    @Squaredot01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    well deserved and a great speech!

  • @erica5624
    @erica5624 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’m so happy for him, he really brought Raphael to life

  • @Cookieforevah
    @Cookieforevah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Congrats Andrew your performance was amazing.

  • @Пашаиноземцев-х4е
    @Пашаиноземцев-х4е 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Many years i tryed to find the name of an actor from "Broken Sword"s trailer. All these years i believed that it was legendary Vincent Price(voice from the Triller of MJ). So today i finally found this HIDEN GEM from my unforgetable expirience with Broken Sword Adventures. Great thanks to Andrew Wincott for BS and BG Raphael's voice.

  • @Xieken
    @Xieken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember when i first met Raphael, the first thing that came to mind was the voice acting, it was nothing like I've ever experienced before, like another level. He deserved every award won.

  • @waffle-waffle5416
    @waffle-waffle5416 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The moment I meet Raphael in BG3 I suddenly become nothing more than a peasant, his delivery were so powerful

  • @Enkarashaddam
    @Enkarashaddam 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The man sang his heart out for BG3 give him all the baftas!

  • @thomasvertommen9526
    @thomasvertommen9526 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He really brought Raphael to life. Such a magnificent bastard, with the character simply oozing from every uttered sentence.
    Such elaborate sentences, and yet not a single word is superfluous. Fantastic work all-round.
    What a voice.

  • @michellewahbeh9609
    @michellewahbeh9609 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’ve been WAITING for him to get an award for this role! Finally, he gets his time in the spotlight for it! Raphael is one of my fave bg3 characters, solely due to his voice ❤

  • @Duckman8213
    @Duckman8213 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I hope he has a villain character in every Larian game from here on.

  • @VickyTiefling
    @VickyTiefling 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    TI AMOOOOOOOOOO

  • @Memokkeen
    @Memokkeen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "I don't know how many years it has been - since my first session in this game"
    One of us! One of us! ❤ Raphael is one of the most iconic, best bits in the game and I have been waiting for Andrew to get a well-deserved reward for being absolutely legendary, iconic even!

  • @Romanticvampyre6
    @Romanticvampyre6 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Such a sophisticated speech and actor! His voice mannerisms are a pleasure to listen to. 😌

  • @Krechas
    @Krechas 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What an absolutely beautiful speech. It's also lovely to see an awards even that is really about the ones winning them. Thank you.

  • @mariocordeiro6888
    @mariocordeiro6888 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great speech! He deserved it!
    Tks BAFTA for letting people speak!

  • @regisatlas
    @regisatlas 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    oh HELLS YES! his voice gives me the shivers each time, absolutely spectacular

  • @DarkLadyoftheLullaby
    @DarkLadyoftheLullaby 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He seems like such a genuinely lovely guy. Congratulations to him. 👏

  • @JonathanXLindqviust
    @JonathanXLindqviust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fuck yes I want to hear professionals speak about their experiences and give me insight into the industry. Thank you Bafta for giving them the time

  • @DerBunny
    @DerBunny 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks so much for letting him give his speech. We all appreciate it so much BAFTA. 💛
    This is how it should always be.

  • @elf_bot
    @elf_bot 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So deserved

  • @supertavio2
    @supertavio2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love this so much!

  • @Fr34k1ng0ut
    @Fr34k1ng0ut 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What a man

  • @alyasya8226
    @alyasya8226 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a speech! Thank you for letting this wonderful person speak for as long as he needed, that was amazing.

  • @cflam1
    @cflam1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An award show that actually respect award winners 🥰

  • @Lovely2291
    @Lovely2291 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    HELL YES ANDREW!!

  • @angelbiscuits
    @angelbiscuits 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    he's so charming! i could listen to him all day.

  • @rogersjgregory
    @rogersjgregory 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He was fantastic as Raphael. A standout, in a sea of standouts.

  • @liesyandy
    @liesyandy หลายเดือนก่อน

    I LOVE Andrew Wincott's Raphael to bits!

  • @DrDankPhD
    @DrDankPhD 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This man could sell me on anything. What an absolutely delightful performance. He really was the first portrayal of a devil who felt truly devilish, and you actually find yourself being tempted by him.

  • @N1te0wl141
    @N1te0wl141 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Out of the entire cast his character is actually my favorite. Raphael is such an excellent villain that it is remarkable, his voice acting couldn't have sold this character any more. Truly outstanding performance, worth every award

  • @rattymenace
    @rattymenace 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So deserved!!!

  • @CirillaDeVir
    @CirillaDeVir 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Raphael is my favorite villain of all time, and Andrew 100percent deserved that award, for bringing our favorite devil to life, thank you very much and congratulations!

  • @TheTjam84
    @TheTjam84 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Adam from the archers finally getting some recognition.

  • @Songfugel
    @Songfugel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So freaking deserved, even though I was not personally a fan of how Raphael's arc and role seemed to be shortened/changed to a stump of what it could have/should have been, the voice acting was still so amazing for him at every point
    I hope he starts doing audiobooks, man, I would love to hear him read forgotten realms or 40k audiobooks
    ps. Pretty sure Sam and Max used voice acting way before Broken Sword or Tomb Raider, unlike what he said. And some other LucasArts games might have used them even before. I still remember being so excited for finally being able to find one of the first SoundBlaster sound cards for sale in my country, with a circuit that could play non-midi sounds. And the first game I tried it on, was Sam and Max that was fully voiced back in 1993 during DOS era!

  • @Allucards
    @Allucards 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the man is not the devil, the man is a god

  • @rnjesus9950
    @rnjesus9950 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Raphael fight was the best of the game. Voice acting was captivating. Well earned!

  • @LadyJessicaWilliams
    @LadyJessicaWilliams 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gods he is so cuddly as a human being!

  • @JJandChibi
    @JJandChibi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He deserves this so much you guys

  • @Gwilherm
    @Gwilherm 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite performance in the whole game!

  • @davecam4863
    @davecam4863 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Raphael is awesome. So well deserved!

  • @NadMia27
    @NadMia27 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mr Wincott, sir.. i have to tell you that i am *OBSESSED* with Raphael 😂 thank you for bringing him to life~
    imagine me diving into BG3 for Astarion but ended up liking Raphael's theatrics, enjoying his narcissism and loving his (your beautiful) voice.. then one day, someone-a friend who doesn't play BG3-showed me Raphael's fanart and said to me "hey, that's the devil you are obsessing over, right??" and my response was " i am _OBSESSING_ over Raphael?!" 😂 and the rest is history..
    it's been months and i am still not over Raphael so that confirms that fact, i guess lol
    and last but not least, Congratulations on winning~ i love how you started and ended your speech in Raphael's character.. and i could not stop myself from fawning over your own theatrics during your speech 😂
    edit: oh yeah.. i forgot to mention this.. TIL that you did the mocap yourself too?! oh my~ thank you, i guess?? (gosh, i feel guilty and suddenly bashful 😂)

  • @LynTheWitch
    @LynTheWitch 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Best villain in a long time!

  • @shahadjz2
    @shahadjz2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

  • @erilinapolly
    @erilinapolly 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SO WELL DESERVED

  • @Mad_Rad
    @Mad_Rad 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was wondering why I thought Raphael's voice sounded familiar. He's the narrator for the audiobook version of the Night Lords trilogy.

  • @sukdznuutz
    @sukdznuutz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was half expecting Raphael's theme to be played mid speech

  • @henriquealves5740
    @henriquealves5740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    TGA: Please, wrap it up! We wasted time with pointless stuff the whole night..
    BAFTA: ....

  • @mattylee5529
    @mattylee5529 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    To me he will always be First Claw

    • @MrThemilk14
      @MrThemilk14 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ave Dominus Nox

  • @SpiderCat420
    @SpiderCat420 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    wait was Neil Newbon wearing vampire fangs lol

    • @blueberryshake333
      @blueberryshake333 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They're natural

    • @katielulu
      @katielulu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Neil is real astarion

    • @briancoy297
      @briancoy297 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's ascended.

  • @Tscheche89
    @Tscheche89 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh I would love Christopher Lee and him in a project. Jesus - that would be awesome. Raphael was very well written and the acting was top noch. As he said - games came long way. They can be art - Larian studios showed it - Bioware used to show it...

  • @IMBREISGAU
    @IMBREISGAU 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This man... damn.

  • @jexxer
    @jexxer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You know, it never occurred to me that he did the mocap for Haarlep, as well, and now as I remember that scene...I seem to be having a bit of trouble breathing...

  • @christianburch479
    @christianburch479 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's Adam from the Archers!

  • @priestf1964
    @priestf1964 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish I had a voice like Paphael.

  • @ThomasLWoolsey
    @ThomasLWoolsey 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good to see the BAFTAs giving the devil his due