I found MDB's channel because I started watching Jrose vids religiously during the pandemic. I watch both religiously now. (When's the colab coming? Maybe a guest appearance in the Pokemon Stadium 2 Let's Play? 😎👍 Lol ) But seriously, you guys are awesome and thank you both for the great content!
7:50 Also worth noting, Gen 1 A.I. for some reason only registers a Pokémon's Primary type, not its secondary. It doesn't happen 100% of the time, but probably around 75%ish
It's actually a bit more complicated. It's less about the primary type and more about the first result on the in-built type chart it registers. It sees that Poison is super effective to grass before it sees that poison resists poison so the AI believes that poison is super-effective. Whether the typing it 'sees' is the primary or secondary is irrelevant, as once it finds a specific result of it's typing against either of yours it reports that. A Poison/grass pokemon would get the same results, you can find lists about the typing priority it checks. This is also the same super-effective checking method is also shared by the text-box so if the game says something is super-effective the AI thinks it's super-effective regardless as to if that's the truth or not!
Seriously? I knew the text was glitched so it only registers in one type when it says whether it's super effective or not but the damage is supposed to be accurate. When you see how much of a buggy mess gen 1 is, it is kinda incredible how popular it was and still is.
If you do the Oddish-Bellsprout tag team…I might suggest HeartGold/SoulSilver. Lots of fancy tools to overcome Johto's hostility towards the Grass type.
Yeah, but that doesn't make it less funny to think about. It's even funnier to think about the fact that she's a gym leader AI and lacks the Intelligence part of that AI.
@@patrickh6571 If that's the case, she sure knows how to get what she wants. Probably used Attract to squeeze her way into the gym leader position. 🤣Either that or she stole the Vileplume and is secretly part of Team Rocket. They sent her over from the local Team Rocket hideout. 🤣🤣
I would love to see you take on the fighting gym whenever you do a generation one challenge, because I want to know which Pokémon you choose after the battle and I’m going to ask this every time now, because it’s just as important as knowing which fossil you take
So, for a more relaxed challenge: play any game using only the version exclusive (in their first form only if you want a harder challenge). I feel like that could be fun, maybe after a particularly hard one.
Maybe oddish (weed) and lotad (water weed) in emerald, you can get lotad early on route 102 and oddish as the grass starter. btw, the reason Erika uses poison powder is because gen 1 ai doesnt look at secondary typing when picking moves - it just sees that oddish is grass and poison moves are super effective.
I would still love to see a Pokemon Crystal Clear run where you do the Kanto side since it's free-roam! I think that could be a unique way to make the Gen 2 Kanto gyms more challenging and interesting.
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Part of me loves Gen 1 AI. It's terrible but in such an entertaining way. Also I would love that Oddish and Bellsprout tag team run if you ever decide to make it. Now I kind of want to do a grass type run of Gen 1...
My understanding was that "Good" AI suffered from the same problem as the super/not very effect text. If a dual-typing has one type that's weak and one type that's resistant, then there's an internal priority order that determines whether the AI will treat the Pokemon as though it's weak or resistant corresponding to whether the text displayed would be not very effective or super effective respectively. The AI will work fine as long as one type is neutral or both types are the same kind of effectiveness, it just has issues with a dual-typing that is overall neutral because of one type being weak and the other type being resistant.
Hi Mah-Dry-Bread, I just wanted to thank you. Your videos have helped me through tough times, and the weekly (or sometimes biweekly) uploads actually helped give me some sense of structure. So.. just continue being your awesome self and don't let anyone push ya down, 'kay?
I've been watching your videos for over a year now and i always let one of them play when going to sleep. Thank you so much for making these and i hope you will never stop!
I am waiting for the day when MDB and JRose "Skill Swap" their editing styles for 1 video each only to truly fuck with their fanbases. JRose commenting as he goes, MDB making a full run analysis. And yes, both will swap "gags" too.
One day, he'll not only tell us which fossil he picked, but he'll also resurrect Aerodactyl. That's sure to create even more comments, which will be good for the TH-cam algorithm.
This reminds me of an in joke with my mate. We hated Oddish in gen 1. and we would keep trading the same Oddish back and forth and we said it was the "lonely" Oddish as no one wanted it, lol. It was even better when natures was added in gen 3 and one was lonely, so we made it a thing to have a "lonely" Oddish on ours teams.
Glad you're doing more challenges! I know you needed some time off, but I do love having a weekly challenge to look forward to. I watch your vid every Saturday.
I really look forward to seeing your runs each time they come out :) I predict this is going to be an interesting one for sure. I agree that this will probably be possible, but I'm curious to see how you manage to pull it off!
7:47 That's actually a big oversight of the gen 1 games. Enemy Pokemon are programmed to prioritise super effective moves, but don't take into account double types (only the first is considered) and don't take into account either if the move does damage. So basically they use PoisonPowder on Oddish because poison moves are effective on grass types, even if Oddish is part poison too and is immune to that move. You can even take advantage of this bug by having a poison type during the elite 4 battles, Lorelei's Dewgong and Lance's Dragonite will keep spamming Rest and Barrier respectively as a result.
It's worth noting that this is only a quirk of the "Smart AI" in gen 1. Trainers such as Bruno and Agatha don't have "Smart AI" and just pick random moves.
That's how Twitch managed to beat Lance's Dragonite with an underleveled Venomoth. Because the yutz kept spamming Barrier and Agility, neither of which do any damage at all.
Gen 1 AI sees that you're part Grass type, knows that Poison is super effective against grass and opts for Poison type moves. In this case, using Poison Powder despite not being applicable to a Grass/Poison type. It's the same reason why you can get some trainers into a loop of only using Agility against a Poison type
I am curious: After these single Pokémon Runs should he fight Mewtwo as a kind of 'End-Game' boss due to his massive stats? Could be fun, all things considered.
I feel like Agatha would have been a lot easier if you'd replaced acid with mimic and then copied dream eater. You already had sleep powder so a powerful psychic attack would have ripped through her whole team.
@@CyberchaoX Acid is only 20 base power, so Oddish needs a lot more turns to KO anything with it. It may not have recoil, but risking enemy attacks is usually worse. Realistically, only the champion is a threat since Oddish has a really good matchup against all of the E4 with the moveset of sleep powder, petal dance, mimic and double edge. Lorelei: Petal Dance to one-shot Dewgong and Cloyster then mimic Slowbro's amnesia and max out Oddish's special while also getting Badge Boost Glitch (BBG) boosts to speed, attack, and defense, then sweep Slowbro, Jynx, and Lapras with petal dance. Lorelei's good AI means Slowbro will only ever use amnesia so it's completely free and the boosts to speed and special means Oddish should out speed and one-shot the last three. The only issues here are confusion hax and one-shotting Slowbro with a three-turn PD, otherwise there's nothing she can do. Even if the worst happens, Jynx and Lapras aren't too hard to take out with sleep powder anyway. Bruno: He's Bruno. No strategy necessary. Agatha: What I said in my original comment. Sleep powder and dream eater is a perfect combo to take out her entire team. The issues here are getting out-sped, Agatha swapping Gengar before you mimic dream eater, and sleep powder missing. Unfortunately Agatha will always be the least consistent member of the E4 since Oddish just doesn't have the stats or moves to make her fight better. Lance: Because of his good AI, the only Pokemon he has that will ever attack Oddish/any poison or fighting type are Gyarados and Aerodactyl. Gyarados. knows hydro pump, leer, dragon rage, and hyper beam but it'll never use hydro pump against a grass type which means, so long as Oddish isn't one-shot by a hyper beam, it'll always have at least two turns to land a sleep powder and take it out with PD. After that, Oddish can mimic agility from one of the Dragonairs and boost so it can outspeed the Aerodactyl and take it out with a BBG boosted neutral PD. Since the dragons can't attack, the only way Oddish can lose to them is recoil damage and confusion hax, but unless your luck is absolutely terrible, I doubt it'll be enough on its own to KO Oddish unless its health is already low from taking a hyper beam from Gyarados. Champion: The actual challenge. There's a ton of luck necessary to take down the champion at a reasonable level. For Pidgeot you have to go for a turn one sleep powder and hope it uses anything except wing attack and also that it stays asleep long enough to KO it with double edge. Alakazam is a major wall. It'll always outspeed, and I'm pretty sure Oddish can't survive even one psybeam or psychic so you need to hope for reflect and then land a sleep powder. Double edge should KO it in two, maybe three, hits and you just need to hope it doesn't wake up. If you're feeling ballsy, you can mimic recover to try and mitigate the recoil damage. Rhydon is free with PD and Exeggutor shouldn't be too big an issue so long as you have recover, otherwise you need to get lucky. Gyarados is a repeat of Lance's, hope it doesn't use hyper beam, land a sleep powder the take it out. Oddish might need to avoid PD here because it can't risk going into Charzard confused or with the move still going. For Charizard itself, hope for a fire spin/fire blast miss, land a sleep powder and then hope it stays asleep. There are just SO many ways this battle can go wrong...
Underrated comment. Oddish with Petal Dance / Double Edge / Sleep Powder / Mimic is definitely the best move list for gen I Oddish to beat E4 + champion. Acid is pretty weak with only 40 Base Power, going to 60 BP with STAB, while Double Edge is 100 BP (With recoil). As already explained up above by this commenter's creator, Lorelei and Bruno are trivial with Oddish Petal Dance and Mimicking Amnesia from Slowbro. Agatha is a bit annoying if she decides to confuse ray, but if you land a sleep powder turn 1 then mimic dream eater turn 2 (Provided Agatha didn't just randomly switch her Gengar), it's just a matter of putting everything to sleep then KOing it with Dream Eater. Lance is also easy due to his "good AI". Champion is hard to crack, but I would just sleep powder pidgeot and take it down with double edge. Hopefully Oddish might take a hit from Kazam and survive and the sleep powder and mimic recover after, finishing Kazam with either Petal Dance or Double Edge. When Rhydon comes, just spam recover to get full health and Petal Dance it and Gyarados later. Exeggutor is your chance to be fully healed + not confused for Charizard, so just sleep powder it and recover to a good amount of health then finish it with double edge. Chari, well, just hope you don't get Oneshot by fire blast and land your sleep powder and double edge away to victory.
Was wondering about this too, mimic woulda made this hella easier. Mimic slowbro amnesia, mimic dream eater on gengar, mimic ice beam from dragonair, mimic agility from pidgeot. You wouldn't even need petal dance, could just use mega drain + the badge boosts
@@beta511ee4 Mega Drain is only 40 base power and it's resisted by all of Agatha's Pokemon (duel resisted by golbat) while also being a Special move (the Gengar line have great Special in gen 1). Dream Eater is also Special, but it's also 100 base power and super effective against her whole team which makes it much more powerful.
Two ideas for runs. 1. Only Attacking moves, the twist, only moves that have "attack" in the name, sand attack, quick attack etc. 2. Angry pokemon only. Tauros, Electrode, Mankey etc.
Here is a tip about Gen 1 that I'm not sure if you know: When using a move like body slam, it doesn't apply paralysis on Normal types, similar to how thunderbolt won't paralyze Electric types, but body slam can paralyze electric types. This is due to a mistake in the coding where the status can't be applied onto a Pokémon that shares typing with the move.
I know it seems silly but I'd really like to see an onlyy box legendaries run of gen 3. Seeing just how low of a level you could beat the game's challenges at would be fun!
Another amazing video! I would never have thought that Agatha would be the biggest brick wall. I have two possible run suggestions-if you were looking for a faster/easier run, would you consider a 'route one gang' video where you use only pokemon you can get the first route of the game or "Support squad" where you use either your normal HM pokemon or pokemon like your pick-up zigzagoons?
@@CaDeYbOi so we'd have torchic, slugma, torkoal, numel. Not sure if I've missed any but all of those don't come until after the 3rd gym(aside from the starter obviously), so essentially a high powered blaziken run with the others slowly catching up with exp share
Oh yeah. I am SO SO SO looking forward to the Mareep run. Ampharos is my favorite Pokemon. 🥰 Also, you know this run was brutal when Petal Dance is a viable option.
Aaa, this was so fun to watch! Anyway, for a (maybe) better time at Agatha, teaching Mimic over Double Edge to copy Night Shade might have helped a bit. Her Pokémon have pretty low base HP, so fixed damage moves work great on her if you can pull it off. Agatha is always going to be an annoying fight if you don't have a strong physical move to hit her with like Earthquake. She is often the last major roadblock before the rival.
In my head I imagined your oddish had a whole thing with erika's vileplume like ash's pikachu did with surge's raichu and the reason erika kept using poison powder was a manifestation of you winning through the power of love, friendship and anime logic.
Hey Mah-Dry-Bread ! Is there any chance you can make a “Can I beat Pokemon Gold with only one Stantler?” challenge ? Many thanks if you read this comment! Your French 🇫🇷 fan 😁
This was a fairly good run! I had some doubtd with Oddish, but it wans't too bad! I also have such a deep love for the OG games. Something just nostalgic about them uwu
Yeah, seems like the gen 1 AI only takes into consideration a Pokemon's first typing for Super Effectiveness, and if it succeeds there it doesn't check the second type. So that's why Erika was spamming Poison Powder on you, because poison > grass, but it's a status move and doesn't affect you.. but the AI is pretty silly. Also which fossil did you take this time? I missed it.
@@hay4664 because all of his moves are neutral against grass, so it goes on to check the second typing. It's not that gen 1 only checks the first type, it's that it checks that one first and if it's SE, it goes ahead with that move, if everything is neutral or NVE it goes on to check the second type.
Do a run where the only move you can use is “Assist”, your allowed to catch and have as many Pokémon as you want in your party and they can have any move set you want, but the only move you can use is “Assist” preferably on one pokemon, you can pick the gen but I’d suggest gen 5 using a purloin/liepard as white was my first Pokémon game
You should've gotten rid of Stun Spore instead of Poison Powder:( Would really help you in the run Poisoning enemies with it until you get Toxic. Also would have taught Oddish Cut cause still does good physical damage without the recoil. If I was gonna do this challenge my moveset would be Mega Drain, Toxic, Cut, Acid. Additionally with all these challenges I feel you should use the PP Ups on your moves & gather ALL items.
I think Oddish and Bellsprout in Gold since there are so many gyms that curb stomp grass types. Also....I know you recently did a pokemon black run.....but there needs to be a pokemon Black with only one pikachu and a pokemon black with only one eevee. Travis and eeveE need to finish things strong!
This run was fun. It gave me an idea though. You should do a gen 3 run of only one Seedot. Should prove quite challenging since it's only offensive level up moves are nature power, which is only sometimes offensive, and explosion. I've been following your content for several years now and you do a good job. Cheers!
I've done a solo Vileplume challenge and it was... AWFUL. Petal Dance is not Nidoking's Thrash. Not so much about BP (although it's an issue) but more that Grass has a LOT of resists and that you depend so much on it. In Yellow, my final strategy was: -Lorelei: Mega Drain Dewgong, Cloyster and Slowbro, Body Slam Jynx, Petal Dance Lapras. -Bruno: Don't use Petal Dance until Onix 2. -Agatha: One of the two that May be better in Yellow. Reason: Confusion Glitch. How? Remove Mega Drain por Mimic. Use Mimic on Gengar 1 and use Substitute. You are now inmune to primary confusion and secondary paralysis. Spam Petal Dance to all the Ghost (The resistance is only 1/2) and use Body Slam on the non-Ghosts. Evade being confused with no Substitute (if parafusion or sleepfusion without substitute reset). Beware of listas Gengar Hypnosis and Psychic move (it has Psychic). -Lance: Use Petal Dance first (does decent to Dragonair) and try to Mimic Ice Beam from Dragonite 2. Ice Beam the rest. -Champion: Remove Petal Dance for Solar Beam. -Mimic Earthquake from Sandslash, Solar Beam Sandslash (gen I Good AI is bugged and will ONLY use Poison Sting), Body Slam/EQ Alakazam, Sleep Exeggutor and Body Slam it, Solar Beam Cloyster/Vaporeon, EQ Flareon/Jolteon/Ninetales/Magneton.
I found your channel after Smallant talked about your no Pokecenter run. And it's been fun watching all these runs! keep doing these if you can cause i will most likely keep coming back for 'em. Also really? Matt riddle and RVD? I love it. Any other grass types your gonna do a run with? might i suggest the other "green" supporter Jesse Ventura
I had an idea after grinding for some rare mons in HeartGold Pokemon HG/SS with only 1% encounter Pokemon. You'd have access to 5 total mons: Dunsparce, Marill, Yanma, Snubbull, and Chansey. Evolutions are allowable, but you have to catch each mon to be able to use them.
I actually think it would've been harder if you'd replaced squirtle. Venusaur is also grass/poison and good AI won't force it to spam hypnosis in the battles before the champion unlike exeggcute, and while arcanine does know roar it could still use something else instead of being locked into rage the way charizard is prone to and I honestly think that makes up for charizard 4x resisting your Grass moves, especially since venusaur also 4x resists them and is bulkier. Still a great run, just something I thought about
Comments are good for the TH-cam algorithm. Also im super excited for more Pokemon Legends to watch! ive watch all four already up at least 5 times haha if you happen to read this youre awesome and should have a good day! (that goes for everyone, not just MDB!)
With pokemon trying to use Poison Powder on an Oddish, Gen 1 had a weird ai glitch where the ai wouldn't recognise the second type of a pokemon. So if you bring any grass/poison type against a trainer, and that trainer's pokemon has a poison type move the ai will always pick that move. Even if it doesn't do anything (like poison powder doesn't)
You suggested an oddish and bellsprout run, so can you beat pokemon mystery dungeon red/blue rescue team with an oddish and bellsprout? Your character has to be either an oddish or bellsprout and your partner the other. You can't use any other followers, unless they're mandatory.
On our way through, I took the helix fossil. I knew if I didn’t say what I took you’d all ask. Actually now that I think about it everyone ask anyway. Comments are good for the TH-cam algorithm.
I think the Erika Poisonpowder thing is the typing glitch. Grass is weak to Poison, and Poison resists itself, so the game doesn't handle that well. It picks one, and it must have been picking "Super Effective". This usually only affects the message delivered, but it also affects the move choices of opponents with "good" AI. Doesn't affect the damage. Gen 1 is held together with chewing gum and hope.
Respect to you and Jrose for telling everyone to stop the hateful comments about you on his last video! Both of you guys are amazing and I hope y'all continue with what you guys do. Also still love the wrestling references
I know that I am probably not the first to suggest this, but it would be nice to see an Alakazam run. The change up of needing to grind and such to breezing through I think would be very interesting to watch. Amd I'm looking forward to whatever quips you would come up with for it since you would be able to just have fun.
If I remember correctly, the reason y they kept using poison powder is because it is a poison move, and there is a Gen 1 glitch with dual types where the text acts as if dual types are only their first type, so the text believes oddish is a pure grass type. If move selection is chosen from the same coding, while damage or interaction coding seems to be correct in this instance, they could be using poison powder or poison sting because the txt will announce poison moves as super effective (even though it isn't really) into the pure grass type oddish (who is actually grass/poison, thereby making it immune to toxic)
Fun run but here some optimizations u could have done: on the Agatha fight u could have used mimic to copy the first Gengar dream eater, in place of double edge or even petal dance... Than after thatyou could teach mega drain as the grass move to where you see fit for rhydon and dactyl, that way avoiding getting locked on Exeggutor
I thought Swords Dance would have been a better choice personally. I don't think it's really worth keeping a grass move when it's only really the more effective choice against 3 pokemon in the entire elite 4, and I imagine +6 would solve that issue.
@@randumo24 that would work too yeah but wouldn't solve the problem of trading headbutts with Agatha, plus it also could (maybe) make aerodactyl more of a hassle... so yeah i think your strategy works fine but its still brute forcing haha
@@AlfRiFProductions I mean, you don't really have a choice but to brute force things in this one. Still, you have the option in that fight to freely set up to + 6 on the dragonair since it will always use agility and then it should be an OHKO on Aerodactyl from that point. I'd imagine the +6 on top of the added benefit of the badge boost would be far more beneficial than having a grass move for the three rock types, really just Rhydon since the Onix are not very threatening.
Seems like a duo Bellsprout-Oddish run would be possible in X or Y! Later gen runs are always interesting bc you have more tools, and duo/team runs I find kind of cute? I love watching them anyway :)
Wow, somehow I overlooked this episode appearing on Saturday. (I did have other things on my mind at the time.) Well, better late than never! (4:07) Which fossil did you take? I hear the eating block sprites are good for the Super Mario World hacking algorithm. (7:37) A Grass/Poison-type can easily breeze through Erika, because of her "good AI", so you were never in any real danger here. (7:53) Actually, they see Oddish's Grass-type, and think, "oh, I've got a Poison move, which will be super-effective, so I'd better use it", without even factoring in Oddish's other type or even considering whether the move even does damage. (13:17) Silly Psywave. Just what were the devs thinking when they created this move? And to think the TM for it is your reward for beating Sabrina, even though you can get the TM for Psychic for free from Mr. Psychic's house nearby, and before you even liberate the city from Team Rocket. (14:19) Actually, with moves like Wrap and Fire Spin in Gen. 1, you are allowed to use items in between the individual hits of those moves, as odd as it seems. (18:25) Interesting ID number of 33331. Funnily enough, in the most recent Pokémon hack I played, my ID number was 00008. (18:51) Oof, and if you're frozen, put to sleep, or trapped by a move like Wrap while you're in the middle of Thrashing or Petal Dancing, you can't even access your menu in between turns. You're totally hosed. (Not that you'd be using the menu for much during this kind of solo challenge run anyway.) (20:21) You mean level 81, not 82. (22:22) Since you have a Poison-type, of course most of the Lance fight will be a piece of cake, because of his "super-effective" Psychic-type Agility and Barrier moves. (25:00) And that's game! (26:13) Yeah, I can imagine Steelix being a pain for Mareep. If you had Ampharos or even Flaaffy, you could at least use Fire Punch on it, but Mareep doesn't have that option. Maybe hope you have Fire or Water for your Hidden Power type?
Small optimization thought- For Agatha you should have replaced Petal Dance with Mimic. If you wanted a grass move for afterwards you just replace Mimic with Mega Drain. The Rival only has 1 pokemon you want Petal Dance for who is 4x weak to it thus Mega Drain will work fine and it avoids you getting stuck in Petal Dance. Lance only has 2 pokemon who can even hit you but Sleep Powder seemed to handle them well (could also grab Icebeam for Aerodactyl with mimic, which would be stronger than Petal Dance due to being super effective). Having Mimic for Agatha however would let you grab Nightshade, Lick, or heck Dream Eater to combo with your sleep powder (and super effective healing to boot) giving you a tool to deal with her when Petal Dance no longer had any opponents who you'd want to use it against. Meanwhile Mega Drain is better than Petal Dance for the champion fight since you only want it for Rhydon who will for sure die to an effective 240 power Mega Drain (4x weakness+STAB), not to mention you get to heal, and you can immediately go into Acid against the next pokemon. Also for a Bellsprout/Oddish run... Maybe Heartgold/Soulsilver? With 'Sprout tower' being a thing a Johto game feels like a good fit to go for them but since you just did a gen 1 run with Oddish I don't think a gen 2 run would feel that different so moving onto the Gen 2 remakes seems like it might be a good fit. Gen 2 would also work since a lot was changed there, but I definately think Johto for Bellsprout/Oddish is the way to go.
7:45 the thing with Gen 1 AI is, it sees that you are grass type (it only sees the frist type) and it knows poison beats grass no matter that it's a status move. It is the same thing way you can bait agility from Lance with pokemon that are weak to psychic.
You could teach Mareep Flash, to help your dodge chance against Steelix's Iron Tail. Then, use Return. Along with Mareep holding the Pink Bow (Can't remember if it's in Gold/Silver), to power up Normal-Type Moves.
So an odd challenge but something I think could be interesting. An N run. Basically by taking the routes leading up to the gyms, you build a team out of pokemon who naturally spawn from those routes. Not sure if it will be fun or not. So, after every gym you have to get a brand new team by the next gym, maybe as a "challenge" you cannot use repeat pokemon? Not sure, seems fun and I might actually try it XD
As someone who always uses Oddish as their grass type in Crystal, I can definitely relate to the pain in this run, and I have more then one pokemon on my team and can use items but damn is Oddish rough to use until it either evolves into Gloom or is levelled up enough to get some half decent moves. The powders though, do make much easier work of Whitney's Miltank then a lot of other strategies I tried before I started using an Oddish as my go-to grass type in gen 2.
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Can you please do Pokémon black with just Munna?
great vid mdb, you mentioned the idea of a bellsprout-oddish run, are you able to do colliseum on game cube? since thats a double battle game.
Some fish has beak like mouths. Thusly having peck is not strange
So you're saying I need to do this lower than level 87? Challenge accepted, "rival".
I love this comment 😂
Name it Bellsprout, because that's hilarious
We need a Jrose and MDB collab
I found MDB's channel because I started watching Jrose vids religiously during the pandemic. I watch both religiously now. (When's the colab coming? Maybe a guest appearance in the Pokemon Stadium 2 Let's Play? 😎👍 Lol )
But seriously, you guys are awesome and thank you both for the great content!
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Fun fact, Oddish's Physical attack stat is higher than the Physical attack stat of Onix.
We already saw MDB win with WaterOnix mod
Wish we had more water onix runs
He barley ever loses if not ever so idk why he puts that in the beginning of his videos
@@devincyr4992 he does sometimes
And it can learn Swords Dance. Those are some pretty sharp leaves (even though it can only use that attack for Acid or Double Edge).
Thank you for doing a run with my favourite Pokémon
How did you do that?
@@mhumer2739 if you're talking about the highlight, I think it's a perk of the super thanks thing
@@mhumer2739 🤦♂️
So, this is the comment that he was talking about?
I love oddish, he is my fav Pokémon
7:50 Also worth noting, Gen 1 A.I. for some reason only registers a Pokémon's Primary type, not its secondary. It doesn't happen 100% of the time, but probably around 75%ish
It's actually a bit more complicated. It's less about the primary type and more about the first result on the in-built type chart it registers. It sees that Poison is super effective to grass before it sees that poison resists poison so the AI believes that poison is super-effective. Whether the typing it 'sees' is the primary or secondary is irrelevant, as once it finds a specific result of it's typing against either of yours it reports that. A Poison/grass pokemon would get the same results, you can find lists about the typing priority it checks. This is also the same super-effective checking method is also shared by the text-box so if the game says something is super-effective the AI thinks it's super-effective regardless as to if that's the truth or not!
Seriously? I knew the text was glitched so it only registers in one type when it says whether it's super effective or not but the damage is supposed to be accurate. When you see how much of a buggy mess gen 1 is, it is kinda incredible how popular it was and still is.
@@shanoc5902 So Gen 1 is ever more broken
@@shanoc5902 How was gen 1 even a thing at this point. There are SCPs that make more sense than it's inner workinga.
If you do the Oddish-Bellsprout tag team…I might suggest HeartGold/SoulSilver. Lots of fancy tools to overcome Johto's hostility towards the Grass type.
Yeah, and you can start with the oddish and catch the bellsprout on like the second route
Erika: has a Vileplume, so she should know Oddish's typing.
Also Erika: Poison Powder works on grass types. It should work on Oddish.
Isn't it because the coding is only looking at the first type so the AI just assumes the type is just grass so goes for the "super effective" move?
Yeah, but that doesn't make it less funny to think about. It's even funnier to think about the fact that she's a gym leader AI and lacks the Intelligence part of that AI.
Maybe she did get it via trade and didn't know it's part of the Oddish line. 🤣
@@patrickh6571 If that's the case, she sure knows how to get what she wants. Probably used Attract to squeeze her way into the gym leader position. 🤣Either that or she stole the Vileplume and is secretly part of Team Rocket. They sent her over from the local Team Rocket hideout. 🤣🤣
@@goodsamaritangaming1997 She got her job on the casting couch. Shame, because she seemed like such a nice girl.
Love the Pokémon challenges! Keep up the good work. Makes me want to go back to play the older game :)
I would love to see you take on the fighting gym whenever you do a generation one challenge, because I want to know which Pokémon you choose after the battle and I’m going to ask this every time now, because it’s just as important as knowing which fossil you take
So, for a more relaxed challenge: play any game using only the version exclusive (in their first form only if you want a harder challenge). I feel like that could be fun, maybe after a particularly hard one.
Maybe oddish (weed) and lotad (water weed) in emerald, you can get lotad early on route 102 and oddish as the grass starter.
btw, the reason Erika uses poison powder is because gen 1 ai doesnt look at secondary typing when picking moves - it just sees that oddish is grass and poison moves are super effective.
If Oddish and Bellsprout are going to tag team, it's got to be Emerald! So many double battles.
Not as many as you would think, considering it's a new mechanic.
@@almightyk11 The double battle gym would be some pain though potentially.
I would still love to see a Pokemon Crystal Clear run where you do the Kanto side since it's free-roam! I think that could be a unique way to make the Gen 2 Kanto gyms more challenging and interesting.
To be honest, whattageek need to prepare the team of stadium 2 in crystal clear (it can connect whit stadium as a original room!)
To anyone having issues with the subscription bell on TH-cam, I reccomend setting up a digest in your settings at whatever time is best for you. This will give you a notification that takes you to a menu where everything uploaded by your subscriptions in the last 24 hours is listed. It's super helpful and I've noticed many videos I otherwise would've never seen because of it
I assume you named it Bellsprout, because that's quite hilarious.
Yep 😂
I'll also assume he took the Helix Fossil because hey, comments are good for the TH-cam algorithm
Not really it’s stupid
@@DarthPooh please don't ruin the joke
Part of me loves Gen 1 AI. It's terrible but in such an entertaining way. Also I would love that Oddish and Bellsprout tag team run if you ever decide to make it.
Now I kind of want to do a grass type run of Gen 1...
Gen 1 Ai only looks at your first type, and then uses a type that's effective against it if available, even if It's a status move.
Lorelei being the most infamous example.
Lance is more infamous for it imo since 3/5 of his Pokémon will use Agility or Agility / Barrier in the case of his Dragonite.
It actually does the first type matchup on a list of type matchups. If you look up the AI you can find the list.
Oddish's second type is poison, but it still defaults to using Psychic moves when they're available, like in the Lance fight.
My understanding was that "Good" AI suffered from the same problem as the super/not very effect text. If a dual-typing has one type that's weak and one type that's resistant, then there's an internal priority order that determines whether the AI will treat the Pokemon as though it's weak or resistant corresponding to whether the text displayed would be not very effective or super effective respectively. The AI will work fine as long as one type is neutral or both types are the same kind of effectiveness, it just has issues with a dual-typing that is overall neutral because of one type being weak and the other type being resistant.
Hi Mah-Dry-Bread, I just wanted to thank you. Your videos have helped me through tough times, and the weekly (or sometimes biweekly) uploads actually helped give me some sense of structure. So.. just continue being your awesome self and don't let anyone push ya down, 'kay?
I've been watching your videos for over a year now and i always let one of them play when going to sleep. Thank you so much for making these and i hope you will never stop!
I am waiting for the day when MDB and JRose "Skill Swap" their editing styles for 1 video each only to truly fuck with their fanbases.
JRose commenting as he goes, MDB making a full run analysis. And yes, both will swap "gags" too.
For the record, I maintain that Oddish's 3DS ranged-attack animation is _glorious._ It just headbangs!
Requesting Pokemon B2W2 with Only One Chinchou.
Oddish is a heavy metal fan(not really, but let's pretend it is).
I’m looking forward to seeing which fossil he picks in mt. Moon. Cause he knows if he doesn’t tell us that we’ll all ask.
Lets face it, we'll all ask anyway.
Oh look, a thread with nothing but facts.
After all comments are good for the algorithm
One day, he'll not only tell us which fossil he picked, but he'll also resurrect Aerodactyl. That's sure to create even more comments, which will be good for the TH-cam algorithm.
Thanks for letting me know this exists! Definitely love your challenge vids and your content! Have a great weekend!
It cracked me up when you said "Yes! The Weedle's are actually a threat."
This reminds me of an in joke with my mate. We hated Oddish in gen 1. and we would keep trading the same Oddish back and forth and we said it was the "lonely" Oddish as no one wanted it, lol. It was even better when natures was added in gen 3 and one was lonely, so we made it a thing to have a "lonely" Oddish on ours teams.
Glad you're doing more challenges!
I know you needed some time off, but I do love having a weekly challenge to look forward to. I watch your vid every Saturday.
I really look forward to seeing your runs each time they come out :) I predict this is going to be an interesting one for sure. I agree that this will probably be possible, but I'm curious to see how you manage to pull it off!
7:47 That's actually a big oversight of the gen 1 games. Enemy Pokemon are programmed to prioritise super effective moves, but don't take into account double types (only the first is considered) and don't take into account either if the move does damage. So basically they use PoisonPowder on Oddish because poison moves are effective on grass types, even if Oddish is part poison too and is immune to that move. You can even take advantage of this bug by having a poison type during the elite 4 battles, Lorelei's Dewgong and Lance's Dragonite will keep spamming Rest and Barrier respectively as a result.
It's worth noting that this is only a quirk of the "Smart AI" in gen 1. Trainers such as Bruno and Agatha don't have "Smart AI" and just pick random moves.
That's how Twitch managed to beat Lance's Dragonite with an underleveled Venomoth. Because the yutz kept spamming Barrier and Agility, neither of which do any damage at all.
Gen 1 AI sees that you're part Grass type, knows that Poison is super effective against grass and opts for Poison type moves. In this case, using Poison Powder despite not being applicable to a Grass/Poison type. It's the same reason why you can get some trainers into a loop of only using Agility against a Poison type
I am curious: After these single Pokémon Runs should he fight Mewtwo as a kind of 'End-Game' boss due to his massive stats? Could be fun, all things considered.
Not worth it IMO. Between poor gen 1 AI and save scumming you just reset until you win
Fighting the “Professor Oak” fight would be super interesting. It’s like fighting Red from Gen 2 but in Gen 1
I feel like Agatha would have been a lot easier if you'd replaced acid with mimic and then copied dream eater. You already had sleep powder so a powerful psychic attack would have ripped through her whole team.
@@CyberchaoX Acid is only 20 base power, so Oddish needs a lot more turns to KO anything with it. It may not have recoil, but risking enemy attacks is usually worse. Realistically, only the champion is a threat since Oddish has a really good matchup against all of the E4 with the moveset of sleep powder, petal dance, mimic and double edge.
Lorelei: Petal Dance to one-shot Dewgong and Cloyster then mimic Slowbro's amnesia and max out Oddish's special while also getting Badge Boost Glitch (BBG) boosts to speed, attack, and defense, then sweep Slowbro, Jynx, and Lapras with petal dance. Lorelei's good AI means Slowbro will only ever use amnesia so it's completely free and the boosts to speed and special means Oddish should out speed and one-shot the last three. The only issues here are confusion hax and one-shotting Slowbro with a three-turn PD, otherwise there's nothing she can do. Even if the worst happens, Jynx and Lapras aren't too hard to take out with sleep powder anyway.
Bruno: He's Bruno. No strategy necessary.
Agatha: What I said in my original comment. Sleep powder and dream eater is a perfect combo to take out her entire team. The issues here are getting out-sped, Agatha swapping Gengar before you mimic dream eater, and sleep powder missing. Unfortunately Agatha will always be the least consistent member of the E4 since Oddish just doesn't have the stats or moves to make her fight better.
Lance: Because of his good AI, the only Pokemon he has that will ever attack Oddish/any poison or fighting type are Gyarados and Aerodactyl. Gyarados. knows hydro pump, leer, dragon rage, and hyper beam but it'll never use hydro pump against a grass type which means, so long as Oddish isn't one-shot by a hyper beam, it'll always have at least two turns to land a sleep powder and take it out with PD. After that, Oddish can mimic agility from one of the Dragonairs and boost so it can outspeed the Aerodactyl and take it out with a BBG boosted neutral PD. Since the dragons can't attack, the only way Oddish can lose to them is recoil damage and confusion hax, but unless your luck is absolutely terrible, I doubt it'll be enough on its own to KO Oddish unless its health is already low from taking a hyper beam from Gyarados.
Champion: The actual challenge. There's a ton of luck necessary to take down the champion at a reasonable level. For Pidgeot you have to go for a turn one sleep powder and hope it uses anything except wing attack and also that it stays asleep long enough to KO it with double edge. Alakazam is a major wall. It'll always outspeed, and I'm pretty sure Oddish can't survive even one psybeam or psychic so you need to hope for reflect and then land a sleep powder. Double edge should KO it in two, maybe three, hits and you just need to hope it doesn't wake up. If you're feeling ballsy, you can mimic recover to try and mitigate the recoil damage. Rhydon is free with PD and Exeggutor shouldn't be too big an issue so long as you have recover, otherwise you need to get lucky. Gyarados is a repeat of Lance's, hope it doesn't use hyper beam, land a sleep powder the take it out. Oddish might need to avoid PD here because it can't risk going into Charzard confused or with the move still going. For Charizard itself, hope for a fire spin/fire blast miss, land a sleep powder and then hope it stays asleep. There are just SO many ways this battle can go wrong...
Underrated comment. Oddish with Petal Dance / Double Edge / Sleep Powder / Mimic is definitely the best move list for gen I Oddish to beat E4 + champion.
Acid is pretty weak with only 40 Base Power, going to 60 BP with STAB, while Double Edge is 100 BP (With recoil).
As already explained up above by this commenter's creator, Lorelei and Bruno are trivial with Oddish Petal Dance and Mimicking Amnesia from Slowbro. Agatha is a bit annoying if she decides to confuse ray, but if you land a sleep powder turn 1 then mimic dream eater turn 2 (Provided Agatha didn't just randomly switch her Gengar), it's just a matter of putting everything to sleep then KOing it with Dream Eater. Lance is also easy due to his "good AI".
Champion is hard to crack, but I would just sleep powder pidgeot and take it down with double edge. Hopefully Oddish might take a hit from Kazam and survive and the sleep powder and mimic recover after, finishing Kazam with either Petal Dance or Double Edge. When Rhydon comes, just spam recover to get full health and Petal Dance it and Gyarados later. Exeggutor is your chance to be fully healed + not confused for Charizard, so just sleep powder it and recover to a good amount of health then finish it with double edge. Chari, well, just hope you don't get Oneshot by fire blast and land your sleep powder and double edge away to victory.
Was wondering about this too, mimic woulda made this hella easier. Mimic slowbro amnesia, mimic dream eater on gengar, mimic ice beam from dragonair, mimic agility from pidgeot. You wouldn't even need petal dance, could just use mega drain + the badge boosts
@@FireFog44 Why not use Mega Drain?
@@beta511ee4 Mega Drain is only 40 base power and it's resisted by all of Agatha's Pokemon (duel resisted by golbat) while also being a Special move (the Gengar line have great Special in gen 1). Dream Eater is also Special, but it's also 100 base power and super effective against her whole team which makes it much more powerful.
Two ideas for runs.
1. Only Attacking moves, the twist, only moves that have "attack" in the name, sand attack, quick attack etc.
2. Angry pokemon only. Tauros, Electrode, Mankey etc.
For the first one you’d have to do a later gen so you could use moves like sky attack and tri attack
@@elijahsimon2294 those moves exist in gen 1
@@elijahsimon2294 Both of those moves are in gen 1. In fact, I'm pretty sure they're both TMs.
Thought they were both Gen 1. Huh. Fury attack is another one.
Oh i didn’t know that I guess I don’t know gen 1 well
Gen 2 Heracross would be cool. It’s moveset in early gens is dreadful
Man, waiting for the reveal of which fossil is so suspenseful. It's always a surprise.
Poor Dux... always the HM slave and never the star 😔
Our Farfetch'd needs a spotlight challenge 😁
Here is a tip about Gen 1 that I'm not sure if you know:
When using a move like body slam, it doesn't apply paralysis on Normal types, similar to how thunderbolt won't paralyze Electric types, but body slam can paralyze electric types. This is due to a mistake in the coding where the status can't be applied onto a Pokémon that shares typing with the move.
I know it seems silly but I'd really like to see an onlyy box legendaries run of gen 3. Seeing just how low of a level you could beat the game's challenges at would be fun!
Maybe the sort of challenge could be on how low a level you can beat the game with
Zwiggo did this with platinum, if you're interested.
I get ridiculously excited when i see your videos in my queue, like literally wait all week to see one pop up. Thanks for all you do!
This run seems to be a bit odd-ish!
ok, i'm gonna see myself out now.
I appreciate these kinds of puns, they clear the Gloom from my day.
I know bad pun, I will also see myself out.
Don't stop, I love puns lol
The puns are alot to absorb
This comment thread is a Growth of Vileplooms...
@@RetroArcStudios I feel it leech seeding us to death
Another amazing video! I would never have thought that Agatha would be the biggest brick wall.
I have two possible run suggestions-if you were looking for a faster/easier run, would you consider a 'route one gang' video where you use only pokemon you can get the first route of the game or "Support squad" where you use either your normal HM pokemon or pokemon like your pick-up zigzagoons?
Maybe a monotype run? Only using Pokémon of a specific type could be fun depending on the type and the game
Fire types only in Hoenn
It's too easy because he has six. Some of his challenges are already monotype runs
@@CaDeYbOi so we'd have torchic, slugma, torkoal, numel. Not sure if I've missed any but all of those don't come until after the 3rd gym(aside from the starter obviously), so essentially a high powered blaziken run with the others slowly catching up with exp share
Oh yeah. I am SO SO SO looking forward to the Mareep run. Ampharos is my favorite Pokemon. 🥰 Also, you know this run was brutal when Petal Dance is a viable option.
That would be a cool run: "can I beat _____ with only weak moves" and the rule is you can use any mon but cant use moves with more than 40 base power.
Almost as funny as rhydon having leer and tail whip, is blastoise using bubble
trainer walks in with only a single oddish
Blaine: ah i see you want to be roared to death
Hey, I know it doesn't matter for this run, but I gotta know: which fossil did you take in Mt Moon?
Thanks, for all the great pokemon videos. You're definitely one of my favourite poketubers.
I think it would be fun to see you go after mewtwo in one of these red runs after the elite four
Aaa, this was so fun to watch!
Anyway, for a (maybe) better time at Agatha, teaching Mimic over Double Edge to copy Night Shade might have helped a bit. Her Pokémon have pretty low base HP, so fixed damage moves work great on her if you can pull it off.
Agatha is always going to be an annoying fight if you don't have a strong physical move to hit her with like Earthquake. She is often the last major roadblock before the rival.
When you see the run time is close to 30 minutes, you know it will probably be a doozy.
In my head I imagined your oddish had a whole thing with erika's vileplume like ash's pikachu did with surge's raichu and the reason erika kept using poison powder was a manifestation of you winning through the power of love, friendship and anime logic.
Hey Mah-Dry-Bread ! Is there any chance you can make a “Can I beat Pokemon Gold with only one Stantler?” challenge ?
Many thanks if you read this comment!
Your French 🇫🇷 fan 😁
That leer badge boost glitch from the Water Ónix was clutch vs the Charizard fire blast. Great video!
I've always thought that Goldeen uses peck with its massively oversized lips rather than its horn.
Mareep vs Steelix is a narration that I'm looking forward to hearing about next week
I promised I would donate something, so here ya go. Keep up the good work.
Love your videos. Always makes my Saturday to watch pokemon runs
Love your challenges!
This was a fairly good run! I had some doubtd with Oddish, but it wans't too bad! I also have such a deep love for the OG games. Something just nostalgic about them uwu
Yeah, seems like the gen 1 AI only takes into consideration a Pokemon's first typing for Super Effectiveness, and if it succeeds there it doesn't check the second type. So that's why Erika was spamming Poison Powder on you, because poison > grass, but it's a status move and doesn't affect you.. but the AI is pretty silly.
Also which fossil did you take this time? I missed it.
Then why did Lance only use agility.
@@hay4664 because all of his moves are neutral against grass, so it goes on to check the second typing. It's not that gen 1 only checks the first type, it's that it checks that one first and if it's SE, it goes ahead with that move, if everything is neutral or NVE it goes on to check the second type.
I like your more "casual" takes on these runs. It's a nice alternative view on it.
Do a run where the only move you can use is “Assist”, your allowed to catch and have as many Pokémon as you want in your party and they can have any move set you want, but the only move you can use is “Assist” preferably on one pokemon, you can pick the gen but I’d suggest gen 5 using a purloin/liepard as white was my first Pokémon game
Been a while since I've watched an MDB run, but after JRose mentioned it I figured I'd check out this rough one. Glad to see MDB hasn't changed ;)
You should've gotten rid of Stun Spore instead of Poison Powder:(
Would really help you in the run Poisoning enemies with it until you get Toxic. Also would have taught Oddish Cut cause still does good physical damage without the recoil.
If I was gonna do this challenge my moveset would be Mega Drain, Toxic, Cut, Acid.
Additionally with all these challenges I feel you should use the PP Ups on your moves & gather ALL items.
JRose MDB and Carci all being associated in the same video makes my heart happy
They're the mans
I think Oddish and Bellsprout in Gold since there are so many gyms that curb stomp grass types. Also....I know you recently did a pokemon black run.....but there needs to be a pokemon Black with only one pikachu and a pokemon black with only one eevee. Travis and eeveE need to finish things strong!
This run was fun. It gave me an idea though. You should do a gen 3 run of only one Seedot. Should prove quite challenging since it's only offensive level up moves are nature power, which is only sometimes offensive, and explosion. I've been following your content for several years now and you do a good job. Cheers!
I've done a solo Vileplume challenge and it was... AWFUL. Petal Dance is not Nidoking's Thrash. Not so much about BP (although it's an issue) but more that Grass has a LOT of resists and that you depend so much on it.
In Yellow, my final strategy was:
-Lorelei: Mega Drain Dewgong, Cloyster and Slowbro, Body Slam Jynx, Petal Dance Lapras.
-Bruno: Don't use Petal Dance until Onix 2.
-Agatha: One of the two that May be better in Yellow. Reason: Confusion Glitch.
How? Remove Mega Drain por Mimic. Use Mimic on Gengar 1 and use Substitute. You are now inmune to primary confusion and secondary paralysis. Spam Petal Dance to all the Ghost (The resistance is only 1/2) and use Body Slam on the non-Ghosts. Evade being confused with no Substitute (if parafusion or sleepfusion without substitute reset). Beware of listas Gengar Hypnosis and Psychic move (it has Psychic).
-Lance: Use Petal Dance first (does decent to Dragonair) and try to Mimic Ice Beam from Dragonite 2. Ice Beam the rest.
-Champion: Remove Petal Dance for Solar Beam.
-Mimic Earthquake from Sandslash, Solar Beam Sandslash (gen I Good AI is bugged and will ONLY use Poison Sting), Body Slam/EQ Alakazam, Sleep Exeggutor and Body Slam it, Solar Beam Cloyster/Vaporeon, EQ Flareon/Jolteon/Ninetales/Magneton.
I found your channel after Smallant talked about your no Pokecenter run. And it's been fun watching all these runs! keep doing these if you can cause i will most likely keep coming back for 'em.
Also really? Matt riddle and RVD? I love it. Any other grass types your gonna do a run with? might i suggest the other "green" supporter Jesse Ventura
Awesome vid as always. Every time you have a subtle/not so subtle wrestling Easter egg I pop a little bit haha.
I always forget how much I adore the oddish line, especially the little weed itself.
I had an idea after grinding for some rare mons in HeartGold
Pokemon HG/SS with only 1% encounter Pokemon.
You'd have access to 5 total mons: Dunsparce, Marill, Yanma, Snubbull, and Chansey.
Evolutions are allowable, but you have to catch each mon to be able to use them.
At the end, expecially for Agatha, mimic should be a great option
Great vid!
Really happy to hear we are getting back to 3 challenges a month
I actually think it would've been harder if you'd replaced squirtle. Venusaur is also grass/poison and good AI won't force it to spam hypnosis in the battles before the champion unlike exeggcute, and while arcanine does know roar it could still use something else instead of being locked into rage the way charizard is prone to and I honestly think that makes up for charizard 4x resisting your Grass moves, especially since venusaur also 4x resists them and is bulkier.
Still a great run, just something I thought about
My weekend doesn't go without a MDB Pokemon challenge, glad to hear you're back to doing it every week but don't stress yourself man ❤️
Comments are good for the TH-cam algorithm. Also im super excited for more Pokemon Legends to watch! ive watch all four already up at least 5 times haha if you happen to read this youre awesome and should have a good day! (that goes for everyone, not just MDB!)
With pokemon trying to use Poison Powder on an Oddish, Gen 1 had a weird ai glitch where the ai wouldn't recognise the second type of a pokemon. So if you bring any grass/poison type against a trainer, and that trainer's pokemon has a poison type move the ai will always pick that move. Even if it doesn't do anything (like poison powder doesn't)
You suggested an oddish and bellsprout run, so can you beat pokemon mystery dungeon red/blue rescue team with an oddish and bellsprout? Your character has to be either an oddish or bellsprout and your partner the other. You can't use any other followers, unless they're mandatory.
On our way through, I took the helix fossil. I knew if I didn’t say what I took you’d all ask. Actually now that I think about it everyone ask anyway. Comments are good for the TH-cam algorithm.
Ah, that Celedon rival battle. Lol. Just gotta add these for the algorithm 😉.
Love your work, hope all you pokemon challengers keep up the great work.
I think the Erika Poisonpowder thing is the typing glitch. Grass is weak to Poison, and Poison resists itself, so the game doesn't handle that well. It picks one, and it must have been picking "Super Effective". This usually only affects the message delivered, but it also affects the move choices of opponents with "good" AI. Doesn't affect the damage. Gen 1 is held together with chewing gum and hope.
Thanks! You should try more Gen.5 runs
Respect to you and Jrose for telling everyone to stop the hateful comments about you on his last video! Both of you guys are amazing and I hope y'all continue with what you guys do.
Also still love the wrestling references
I know that I am probably not the first to suggest this, but it would be nice to see an Alakazam run. The change up of needing to grind and such to breezing through I think would be very interesting to watch. Amd I'm looking forward to whatever quips you would come up with for it since you would be able to just have fun.
If I remember correctly, the reason y they kept using poison powder is because it is a poison move, and there is a Gen 1 glitch with dual types where the text acts as if dual types are only their first type, so the text believes oddish is a pure grass type. If move selection is chosen from the same coding, while damage or interaction coding seems to be correct in this instance, they could be using poison powder or poison sting because the txt will announce poison moves as super effective (even though it isn't really) into the pure grass type oddish (who is actually grass/poison, thereby making it immune to toxic)
Fun run but here some optimizations u could have done: on the Agatha fight u could have used mimic to copy the first Gengar dream eater, in place of double edge or even petal dance... Than after thatyou could teach mega drain as the grass move to where you see fit for rhydon and dactyl, that way avoiding getting locked on Exeggutor
I thought Swords Dance would have been a better choice personally. I don't think it's really worth keeping a grass move when it's only really the more effective choice against 3 pokemon in the entire elite 4, and I imagine +6 would solve that issue.
@@randumo24 that would work too yeah but wouldn't solve the problem of trading headbutts with Agatha, plus it also could (maybe) make aerodactyl more of a hassle... so yeah i think your strategy works fine but its still brute forcing haha
@@AlfRiFProductions I mean, you don't really have a choice but to brute force things in this one. Still, you have the option in that fight to freely set up to + 6 on the dragonair since it will always use agility and then it should be an OHKO on Aerodactyl from that point.
I'd imagine the +6 on top of the added benefit of the badge boost would be far more beneficial than having a grass move for the three rock types, really just Rhydon since the Onix are not very threatening.
Im looking forward to the Wing Attack Only Gen 1 Challenge. Appreciate all your hard work and dedication to your viewers MDB!
Seems like a duo Bellsprout-Oddish run would be possible in X or Y! Later gen runs are always interesting bc you have more tools, and duo/team runs I find kind of cute? I love watching them anyway :)
Oddish is one of my favorites! I'm excited to see how far you get!
Hey long time fan here just come out of basic combat training and I have been enjoying catching up with your videos love your content ❤️
Wow, somehow I overlooked this episode appearing on Saturday. (I did have other things on my mind at the time.) Well, better late than never!
(4:07) Which fossil did you take? I hear the eating block sprites are good for the Super Mario World hacking algorithm.
(7:37) A Grass/Poison-type can easily breeze through Erika, because of her "good AI", so you were never in any real danger here.
(7:53) Actually, they see Oddish's Grass-type, and think, "oh, I've got a Poison move, which will be super-effective, so I'd better use it", without even factoring in Oddish's other type or even considering whether the move even does damage.
(13:17) Silly Psywave. Just what were the devs thinking when they created this move? And to think the TM for it is your reward for beating Sabrina, even though you can get the TM for Psychic for free from Mr. Psychic's house nearby, and before you even liberate the city from Team Rocket.
(14:19) Actually, with moves like Wrap and Fire Spin in Gen. 1, you are allowed to use items in between the individual hits of those moves, as odd as it seems.
(18:25) Interesting ID number of 33331. Funnily enough, in the most recent Pokémon hack I played, my ID number was 00008.
(18:51) Oof, and if you're frozen, put to sleep, or trapped by a move like Wrap while you're in the middle of Thrashing or Petal Dancing, you can't even access your menu in between turns. You're totally hosed. (Not that you'd be using the menu for much during this kind of solo challenge run anyway.)
(20:21) You mean level 81, not 82.
(22:22) Since you have a Poison-type, of course most of the Lance fight will be a piece of cake, because of his "super-effective" Psychic-type Agility and Barrier moves.
(25:00) And that's game!
(26:13) Yeah, I can imagine Steelix being a pain for Mareep. If you had Ampharos or even Flaaffy, you could at least use Fire Punch on it, but Mareep doesn't have that option. Maybe hope you have Fire or Water for your Hidden Power type?
Small optimization thought- For Agatha you should have replaced Petal Dance with Mimic. If you wanted a grass move for afterwards you just replace Mimic with Mega Drain. The Rival only has 1 pokemon you want Petal Dance for who is 4x weak to it thus Mega Drain will work fine and it avoids you getting stuck in Petal Dance. Lance only has 2 pokemon who can even hit you but Sleep Powder seemed to handle them well (could also grab Icebeam for Aerodactyl with mimic, which would be stronger than Petal Dance due to being super effective). Having Mimic for Agatha however would let you grab Nightshade, Lick, or heck Dream Eater to combo with your sleep powder (and super effective healing to boot) giving you a tool to deal with her when Petal Dance no longer had any opponents who you'd want to use it against. Meanwhile Mega Drain is better than Petal Dance for the champion fight since you only want it for Rhydon who will for sure die to an effective 240 power Mega Drain (4x weakness+STAB), not to mention you get to heal, and you can immediately go into Acid against the next pokemon.
Also for a Bellsprout/Oddish run... Maybe Heartgold/Soulsilver? With 'Sprout tower' being a thing a Johto game feels like a good fit to go for them but since you just did a gen 1 run with Oddish I don't think a gen 2 run would feel that different so moving onto the Gen 2 remakes seems like it might be a good fit. Gen 2 would also work since a lot was changed there, but I definately think Johto for Bellsprout/Oddish is the way to go.
That start at Khimyra ad killed me!!!! XD
Finally, it's time for my son to shine! Was waiting for an Oddish run!
Also best name XD
7:45 the thing with Gen 1 AI is, it sees that you are grass type (it only sees the frist type) and it knows poison beats grass no matter that it's a status move. It is the same thing way you can bait agility from Lance with pokemon that are weak to psychic.
“Can I beat radical red no-grinding mode” is a video I’d love to watch from you one day
You could teach Mareep Flash, to help your dodge chance against Steelix's Iron Tail. Then, use Return. Along with Mareep holding the Pink Bow (Can't remember if it's in Gold/Silver), to power up Normal-Type Moves.
So an odd challenge but something I think could be interesting. An N run. Basically by taking the routes leading up to the gyms, you build a team out of pokemon who naturally spawn from those routes. Not sure if it will be fun or not. So, after every gym you have to get a brand new team by the next gym, maybe as a "challenge" you cannot use repeat pokemon? Not sure, seems fun and I might actually try it XD
As someone who always uses Oddish as their grass type in Crystal, I can definitely relate to the pain in this run, and I have more then one pokemon on my team and can use items but damn is Oddish rough to use until it either evolves into Gloom or is levelled up enough to get some half decent moves. The powders though, do make much easier work of Whitney's Miltank then a lot of other strategies I tried before I started using an Oddish as my go-to grass type in gen 2.
love your vids homie and as for youtube not notifying us of your uploads, thats not the case for me, i always see your uploads. i think what happens is ppl 'dont see it' and say youtube is at fault lol