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Please just stick to the normal arena. Seething constantly getting stuck on the spider's ledge in this one while Violet's attacks went through it gave Violet a pretty unfair advantage it wouldn't have had if they'd just been in the normal arena. This is one fight where I won't consider the result to be accurate unless it's redone in a better battleground, by you or someone else.
I do gotta agree now that I've seen Seething Bazelgeuse in action in the Forlorn Arena that the normal Arena definitely works better. I know it's too much to ask for a rematch between these 2 in the Arena, but I definitely think we should stick to the normal Arena for these fights. Maybe throw in Seething Bazelgeuse against something else there!
That was an extremely close match, as it just went back and forth. I thought that Bazel's bombs would give him a big enough advantage to take the win, but the speed and agility of Mizu was too much it would seem. This fight could really have gone either way though, and I hope to see these two in a rematch in a possible tournament. It was a fun fight to watch and both monsters gave us quite the show as it was very flashy with all the explosions everywhere.
@Kharnix your definitely right about the possibility of the result going either ways, as with all monsters of this tier. I have been thinking about a tournament, but it's a big commitment so I'm hoping this videos does as well as the Scorned magnamalo fight; before I decide to do a tournament.
@@MonsterSlayerSquad Just a heads up, but since it was pointed out that that tiny ledge might prove problematic due to it blocking some Monsters' attacks/movements but not others, you'll want to either go back to the normal Arena or at least keep the fighters away from that ledge if you're gonna continue using the Forlorn Arena. Keep the terrain fair, ya know?
Well, can’t really be to surprised. Bazel was up against a more developed and difficult monster, with fireblight spam. Him being so easy to knock out of his seething mode for huge amounts of free damage also played a huge part in this. Seething is still the best explosive monstie in my eyes.
He'd have done better if he hadn't kept getting stuck on the ledge in the arena that Mizu's attacks go through. I would argue that from the looks of things they are perfectly even, but the arena completely destroyed his attack pattern at parts (especially his tail drag) and made it pretty unfair all things considered.
Damn, nearly clutched it in the end there! Still proud of ya, Seething Bazelgeuse! Seems that Violet Mizutsune is just an absolute menace with those flaming bubbles, which is a real far cry from normal Mizutsune being a bit lackluster in Monster-on-Monster fights.
Being a seething bazel fan, this one was stressful. I thought he had a chance when he dropped the big bubble on violet, but then he got overwhelmed again. ah well, still a good fight.
I really thought for a moment that Seething could get this. The area denial was extremely powerful after it knocked Violet's Spirit Bomb on it. But what really surprised me was that Mizu managed to to deal enough damage to Bazel's tail. In the Turf War Deathmatches I've seen so far, everything other than head focused damage was much more incidental, so that explosion was completely unexpected. Just goes to show how juicy that hitzone is when you can get some good damage in there. Both had good area damage, with Seething having the edge overall, but Violet just had that bit more precision needed to win.
I'm surprised but not surprised. I didn't think Bazels explosions would give mizutsune that much problem to the point that he'd get toppled every 3 minutes but he actually held out. V-mizu is waaay more aggressive, alot faster and has more range in his attacks so he could keep Bazel away for the most part + hit him out of the air
I remember bazelgeuse being unbeatable in these monster vs monster fights back in iceborne due to his explosions. If I recall correctly, there’s a video of bazel beating nergigante in less than 4 minutes! I guess it would take another explosive monster to beat him. Explosion is just too broken in these monster vs monster mod fights.
I might be a year late but is violet mizu a female version of the subspecies? I know that all normal mizutsunes that we fight are males, but I don't know about violet
Gg, such a violent and intense fight!!!, I was sticking with nuke man, but yeah..., Violet's flamable gel substance attacks, bubbles and long distanced attacks made him got the upper hand
I was rooting for Violet and thought he would win because he is more agile but still watching Seething in this arena was painful to watch, many times the ledge that has spider on it has messed up his attacks, hopefully there's a rematch soon on a different map. Seething wasn't fighting only Mizu here, he was also fighting against the arena that limited his abilities.
That was awesome, lots of explosions and roars. Say, mind if I run an idea by you MSS, what if you had a fight between shagaru magala and afflicted gore magala, just an idea, but I'd love to see a fight between true darkness and light.
@Glamos & Bruce thanks, great idea, but before I can consider the next fight; I am going to see how well this does compared to the previous one going forward
@@MonsterSlayerSquad thanks dude, it'll be awesome, shagaru magala is my favorite monster in the franchise. It's like shagaru is fighting the gore because of the fact that it's afflicted. Maybe it's an act of mercy, or exile.
Seething and Violet are evenly matched in a way that looks like Bazelgeuse and Deviljho from World: their fights can go either way. In the latter case though Bazel seems to usually be the victor since his bombs are counted individuals instead of grouped like in Rise so they add up much more. Here though they're pretty even...or would've been if not for the arena. Because for some reason (likely to look 'cooler') they stuck them in the Forlorn area that Seething is very explicitly not fought in and it's shown why here by Seething constantly clipping or getting stuck on the terrain in ways that completely fucked with it's attack pattern. Almost every single moment of this having to do with that one tiny edge that the Marionette Spider is on. While Mizu's attacks meanwhile go through that ledge, giving it a huge advantage due to not being hindered by the environment. Thus a fight that would be pretty evenly-sided I think ended up getting heavily lopsided not because of the monsters themselves but because they had to fight in a very, very terrible arena choice that skewed it in the favor of one of them. Just stick them in the giant open circle. Nothing gets stuck in there. Watching Seething constantly 'flying' and then getting stuck on a hitbox while Mizu dances around that ledge was painful to watch. This turned what would've otherwise been an objectively good/even fight into a much more onesided array simply because of bad management. Seriously, you don't need 'flashy' arenas, just use the standard one that has nothing to get stuck on for it's intended purpose! You're not allowed to fight Bazel there for a reason. I wouldn't care so much if it hadn't had such a huge impact on the fight. I know you guys can do better because you have done better before, just use the normal arena or at least pick an environment actually suited for both combatants and make sure that neither of them suffer issues in it. How you didn't pick up on this I don't get.
They're both the smallest sizes possible iirc for the sake of 'shorter fights', but the arena severely hindered Bazel's ability to acutally fight by constantly having him clip on a ledge that Mizu was unaffected by, giving him periods where he'd get stuck or interrupted because of running into a ""wall"". If not for the awful arena he would've performed better and seemed like he'd even have won.
@MonsterSlayer Squad I notice you have a habit of ignoring any critiques of these videos and only liking or replying to comments that solely praise them. Given that I’m not the only person who noticed the issues with the arena in this instance would you at least acknowledge the problems with using locale that isn’t designed with every monster in mind? Or just stick to the normal arena? I’m some instances issues with fights can be subjective such as match-ups or sudden tiring or what-have-you and I get that. But in this case the issues with the arena are very clearly an objective problem with how it turned out.
@stronghold325 look mate i know your very emotional that your fav monster lost, but i have dealt with many many similar complaints like this before in the past. So far only two people (including you) complained about what you mentioned and honestly i didn't think it played a big role. So lets move on and enjoy this as a light hearted entertainment and no need to spam this everywhere 👍
At minimum, maybe at least steer away from that ledge and stay in the centre to ensure it doesn't become a problem later on. We want fair fights, right?
@@MonsterSlayerSquad Seething isn't my favorite. While I'd say Bazel's in my top ten, Mizu is as well. This was a fight between two monsters I liked quite a lot that I was looking forward to. But the ledge killed the momentum and then my interest before it got Bazel killed as well. And I've counted at least five people (number rising) who noticed the Ledge issue too so it clearly isn't just me. Either way, it's incredibly disingenuous to lead in with a "you're just upset your bro lost" argument. I was disappointed that the fight ended up being so lame because of the poor arena choice messing with a combatant. I do like this sort of medium, but if I think a mistake was made or something can be improved I'll criticize it or point that out. Don't just churn out some kind of "it's meant to not be serious" statement or chalk it up to just someone being mad their favorite didn't win when a person tells you why they disliked a choice or felt something could be done better in the future. That just leaves a poor taste in one's mouth and gives a bad impression.
@A proud Baguette im not sure if i agree with that, seething from what i can see is super powerful in these fights, its just that violet mizu was a perfect counter to him thats all
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Have you ever wondered what if other monsters had the scorned magnamalo vs malzeno turf war
Please just stick to the normal arena. Seething constantly getting stuck on the spider's ledge in this one while Violet's attacks went through it gave Violet a pretty unfair advantage it wouldn't have had if they'd just been in the normal arena. This is one fight where I won't consider the result to be accurate unless it's redone in a better battleground, by you or someone else.
I do gotta agree now that I've seen Seething Bazelgeuse in action in the Forlorn Arena that the normal Arena definitely works better. I know it's too much to ask for a rematch between these 2 in the Arena, but I definitely think we should stick to the normal Arena for these fights. Maybe throw in Seething Bazelgeuse against something else there!
That was an extremely close match, as it just went back and forth. I thought that Bazel's bombs would give him a big enough advantage to take the win, but the speed and agility of Mizu was too much it would seem. This fight could really have gone either way though, and I hope to see these two in a rematch in a possible tournament. It was a fun fight to watch and both monsters gave us quite the show as it was very flashy with all the explosions everywhere.
@Kharnix your definitely right about the possibility of the result going either ways, as with all monsters of this tier. I have been thinking about a tournament, but it's a big commitment so I'm hoping this videos does as well as the Scorned magnamalo fight; before I decide to do a tournament.
@@MonsterSlayerSquad Just a heads up, but since it was pointed out that that tiny ledge might prove problematic due to it blocking some Monsters' attacks/movements but not others, you'll want to either go back to the normal Arena or at least keep the fighters away from that ledge if you're gonna continue using the Forlorn Arena. Keep the terrain fair, ya know?
Well, can’t really be to surprised. Bazel was up against a more developed and difficult monster, with fireblight spam. Him being so easy to knock out of his seething mode for huge amounts of free damage also played a huge part in this. Seething is still the best explosive monstie in my eyes.
He'd have done better if he hadn't kept getting stuck on the ledge in the arena that Mizu's attacks go through. I would argue that from the looks of things they are perfectly even, but the arena completely destroyed his attack pattern at parts (especially his tail drag) and made it pretty unfair all things considered.
@@stronghold325 you have some decent points.
Quiet a explosive Battle. Nice to see something somewhat balanced and close. Not like thats rare, but still both deserve a good Run.
キツネ
・泡ブレスが命中安定の火力技として優秀。出が早くて遠近両対応かつほぼ必中で複数ヒット、しかも基本技なので頻度も高いと欲しい性能が全て揃っている
・近接でも設置爆炎が普通に優秀。ヒット数が多い上に移動のついでにも出せる
・ほとんどの近接技においてモンスターへの「めり込み」が強く、命中率が高い
・距離を取る、大きく回り込む、などの行動が多いため、攻撃を避けやすい。特にバゼルには極めて有効
・直線ブレスに謎の多段判定あり
・総じて、コンスタントに火力を出す性能が高い。理論値の権化たるバゼルとは対極の性能で、相性はかなり良い
バゼル
・理論上は最強の火力の持ち主。終始ボコられていたのに接戦になったのは瞬間火力の高さ故
・紅蓮状態の爆鱗は、攻撃から間を置いて爆発するため、特定の怯み周期を持つモンスターに対してはハメが成立する
・モーションが遅い。大振りな技が多く技を出す前に怯まされがちで、かつ怯みモーションも長いので怯みループに入りやすい
・信用できる移動技がない。通常移動はかなり遅く、地上突進技は遅い上に移動距離も足りない。一気に距離を詰められる技は低空摩擦爆破のみ
・そもそもモンスターバトルにおいて「飛ぶ」という行為が弱い。飛んだところで攻撃は避けられないし、空中で怯まされると着地のための隙が必要で、いつまでも着地出来ずに空中で嵌められがち
・キツネがほぼ全ての攻撃の予備動作で大きく移動するため、バゼルギウスが最も火力を出せる「3秒後の目の前」にいてくれない
These monster vs monster battles in Rise are way more entertaining than World, please dont stop making them
I agree, the more diverse selection of monsters makes these match ups more interesting.
World Is cooler tho
Maybe because the monster's AI in sunbreak are actually made to target eachother to trigger the wyvern ride
This fight was awesome especially when seething turned violent’s own move against it
Damn, nearly clutched it in the end there! Still proud of ya, Seething Bazelgeuse! Seems that Violet Mizutsune is just an absolute menace with those flaming bubbles, which is a real far cry from normal Mizutsune being a bit lackluster in Monster-on-Monster fights.
An epic fight between two elder dragon level monsters
'Don'tseeathing' did amazing aswell, specially when his explosive scales got purple..., On that moment they really where dangerous and threatening
Being a seething bazel fan, this one was stressful. I thought he had a chance when he dropped the big bubble on violet, but then he got overwhelmed again. ah well, still a good fight.
I really thought for a moment that Seething could get this. The area denial was extremely powerful after it knocked Violet's Spirit Bomb on it. But what really surprised me was that Mizu managed to to deal enough damage to Bazel's tail. In the Turf War Deathmatches I've seen so far, everything other than head focused damage was much more incidental, so that explosion was completely unexpected. Just goes to show how juicy that hitzone is when you can get some good damage in there. Both had good area damage, with Seething having the edge overall, but Violet just had that bit more precision needed to win.
爆鱗と泡が飛び交う凄い戦いだ
I'm surprised but not surprised. I didn't think Bazels explosions would give mizutsune that much problem to the point that he'd get toppled every 3 minutes but he actually held out.
V-mizu is waaay more aggressive, alot faster and has more range in his attacks so he could keep Bazel away for the most part + hit him out of the air
I remember bazelgeuse being unbeatable in these monster vs monster fights back in iceborne due to his explosions. If I recall correctly, there’s a video of bazel beating nergigante in less than 4 minutes! I guess it would take another explosive monster to beat him. Explosion is just too broken in these monster vs monster mod fights.
Omg ! That extremely close ! But i'm glad it's the Violet Mizutsune who wins
Absolutely love, how they're making justice for Nargacuga and Mizu in this game(but, not the Narga theme tho)
Nargacuga Vs Mizutsune
Lucent Nargacuga Vs Violet Mizutsune
Was annoying to not get to see Violet’s ultimate but she still won so thats good
I might be a year late but is violet mizu a female version of the subspecies? I know that all normal mizutsunes that we fight are males, but I don't know about violet
i knew Mizu was gonna win, but Bazel was really tough.
Well, with the recent zinogre vs astalos fight and now this, this is the second time in a row that the weeaboo monster beats up the flying wyvern.
Gg, such a violent and intense fight!!!, I was sticking with nuke man, but yeah..., Violet's flamable gel substance attacks, bubbles and long distanced attacks made him got the upper hand
@This is *NAMI* i know i say this a lot, but this is one of those fights where things could have gone either ways
im going to excited for the rematch if violet can beat furious
Seems like seething does not like bubbles
Risen Chameleos vs Flaming Espinas anyone?
Also this fight was quite explosive
I was rooting for Violet and thought he would win because he is more agile but still watching Seething in this arena was painful to watch, many times the ledge that has spider on it has messed up his attacks, hopefully there's a rematch soon on a different map. Seething wasn't fighting only Mizu here, he was also fighting against the arena that limited his abilities.
Jesus, those two aren't joking
That was awesome, lots of explosions and roars. Say, mind if I run an idea by you MSS, what if you had a fight between shagaru magala and afflicted gore magala, just an idea, but I'd love to see a fight between true darkness and light.
@Glamos & Bruce thanks, great idea, but before I can consider the next fight; I am going to see how well this does compared to the previous one going forward
@@MonsterSlayerSquad thanks dude, it'll be awesome, shagaru magala is my favorite monster in the franchise. It's like shagaru is fighting the gore because of the fact that it's afflicted. Maybe it's an act of mercy, or exile.
6:52 bazel can counter it's ultimate yet I can't💀
Old world and new world monster turf wars never gets old
I hope we get to see flamming espinas vs something next
Damn violet mizu does insane damage
紅蓮滾るバゼルギウスは爆燐が強力ですが、動きが鈍いので、タマミツネ希少種の攻撃が当たりやすかった感じですね。
後、個人的に見てみたい勝負としては、
タマミツネ希少種vsジンオウガ通常個体
怨嗟響めくマガイマガドvs激昂したラージャン
怨嗟響めくマガイマガドvs紅蓮滾るバゼルギウスです。
I'm officially calling Violet Mizutsune's Ultimate "Violet Moon."
It should’ve been seething v flaming espinas to determine the true nuker
Seething and Violet are evenly matched in a way that looks like Bazelgeuse and Deviljho from World: their fights can go either way. In the latter case though Bazel seems to usually be the victor since his bombs are counted individuals instead of grouped like in Rise so they add up much more. Here though they're pretty even...or would've been if not for the arena. Because for some reason (likely to look 'cooler') they stuck them in the Forlorn area that Seething is very explicitly not fought in and it's shown why here by Seething constantly clipping or getting stuck on the terrain in ways that completely fucked with it's attack pattern. Almost every single moment of this having to do with that one tiny edge that the Marionette Spider is on. While Mizu's attacks meanwhile go through that ledge, giving it a huge advantage due to not being hindered by the environment.
Thus a fight that would be pretty evenly-sided I think ended up getting heavily lopsided not because of the monsters themselves but because they had to fight in a very, very terrible arena choice that skewed it in the favor of one of them. Just stick them in the giant open circle. Nothing gets stuck in there. Watching Seething constantly 'flying' and then getting stuck on a hitbox while Mizu dances around that ledge was painful to watch. This turned what would've otherwise been an objectively good/even fight into a much more onesided array simply because of bad management. Seriously, you don't need 'flashy' arenas, just use the standard one that has nothing to get stuck on for it's intended purpose! You're not allowed to fight Bazel there for a reason. I wouldn't care so much if it hadn't had such a huge impact on the fight.
I know you guys can do better because you have done better before, just use the normal arena or at least pick an environment actually suited for both combatants and make sure that neither of them suffer issues in it. How you didn't pick up on this I don't get.
Maybe Silver or Gold vs Flaming Espinas
totally amazing fight
Seething bazel fans: no that’s not fair bazel would beat up purple mizutsune.
Violet mizu fans: violet fire bubble go pop.
That was a baby bazel though! Lets try a king crown
They're both the smallest sizes possible iirc for the sake of 'shorter fights', but the arena severely hindered Bazel's ability to acutally fight by constantly having him clip on a ledge that Mizu was unaffected by, giving him periods where he'd get stuck or interrupted because of running into a ""wall"". If not for the awful arena he would've performed better and seemed like he'd even have won.
dissappointed that bazel didnt use the flying nuke attack. even mizutsune already use the ultimate attack
いい戦いでした！以外にも紅蓮バゼルは頑張った！
是非とも縄張り争いで激アツだったメルゼナと怨嗟マガドの戦いも見てみたいですな…
@@guilhermerodrigues129おお！他にこのようなチャンネルがないか探してたんです！ありがとうございます！(◎_◎;)
i love this
@Banik Alan Merenciano thank you, great to hear you enjoyed it
Does anybody here wanna want to see Garangolm Vs Rajang next because I want to
Also congrats getting 27K subscribers Monsterslayer Squad
@Bone Reaper Lagiallosaurus appreciate that, it been a long road for us, the next fight to feature will be decided on how well this video does.
@MonsterSlayer Squad
I notice you have a habit of ignoring any critiques of these videos and only liking or replying to comments that solely praise them. Given that I’m not the only person who noticed the issues with the arena in this instance would you at least acknowledge the problems with using locale that isn’t designed with every monster in mind? Or just stick to the normal arena? I’m some instances issues with fights can be subjective such as match-ups or sudden tiring or what-have-you and I get that. But in this case the issues with the arena are very clearly an objective problem with how it turned out.
@stronghold325 look mate i know your very emotional that your fav monster lost, but i have dealt with many many similar complaints like this before in the past. So far only two people (including you) complained about what you mentioned and honestly i didn't think it played a big role. So lets move on and enjoy this as a light hearted entertainment and no need to spam this everywhere 👍
At minimum, maybe at least steer away from that ledge and stay in the centre to ensure it doesn't become a problem later on. We want fair fights, right?
@@MonsterSlayerSquad Seething isn't my favorite. While I'd say Bazel's in my top ten, Mizu is as well. This was a fight between two monsters I liked quite a lot that I was looking forward to. But the ledge killed the momentum and then my interest before it got Bazel killed as well. And I've counted at least five people (number rising) who noticed the Ledge issue too so it clearly isn't just me.
Either way, it's incredibly disingenuous to lead in with a "you're just upset your bro lost" argument. I was disappointed that the fight ended up being so lame because of the poor arena choice messing with a combatant. I do like this sort of medium, but if I think a mistake was made or something can be improved I'll criticize it or point that out. Don't just churn out some kind of "it's meant to not be serious" statement or chalk it up to just someone being mad their favorite didn't win when a person tells you why they disliked a choice or felt something could be done better in the future. That just leaves a poor taste in one's mouth and gives a bad impression.
If Seething Bazel is this strong then I fear Coping Bazel and Maulding Bazel
Your telling me it takes like 2 Kunai to break seething’s wing or does violent really do that much damage
タマ君の華麗な舞でバゼルの爆鱗の爆発を避けてるみたい。
流石はXの四天王の一人かな、ライゼクスも希少種になるとここまでの強さになるんかな。
I can't believe rare defeat variant
Damn I wish late November make monster comeback or make new variant is fine
イビル「バゼル、表に出ろ」
violent mizutsune
Violet Mizutsune? sounds like Boga from star wars
Dung pod V.S. Broomstick
Alatreon vs savijifa
Pleasee
We already did this fight on this channel
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Finally, that menace has been defeated
@GameBitz Seething bazel is a really tough monsters in these matchups and here it was just a tad bit unlucky with Mizu dodging a lot of it's bombs.
You know what’s more menace then Bazelgeuse, it is Deviljho who’s a big menace
The pickle of death
Huh,explosions lord defeated by another explosive monster.
Violet has what normal Mizu lacks: Firepower (no pun intended).
Rare species > variant
In this case.
Bazel strength couldn’t match Mizu speed
@humberto marcelo mizu really used that speed to dodge all those little bombs, that made a huge difference here
なんか爆鱗の威力めっちゃ低くない？
耐性とか絡んでんのかな
これが一般的な火力よ というかこれでも充分イカれてるかも
@@Koko-it4pm
あーじゃこれタマミツネが異常な感じすかねw
ワールドの方の激昂ラーvs紅蓮バゼルの動画では爆鱗数発で逆転するぐらいの超火力だったから、ついつい調整を疑ってしまった
タマ君の泡の威力もマジ馬鹿にできない。
火力は爆鱗フルヒットの方が圧倒的に高いけど
泡はほぼ必中なので結果的に火力で上回ったという印象
動かない壁殴りならバゼルが圧倒的に強いよ
For a moment I thought mizu getting stunned by the bazel bombs so much would make Violet lose but BEST MONSTER WINS
Seething is not as effective in battle imo, it gets knocked out of its super state way too easy
@A proud Baguette im not sure if i agree with that, seething from what i can see is super powerful in these fights, its just that violet mizu was a perfect counter to him thats all
Excellent work, Mizu!
Moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee shagaru