Did Spider-Verse or Miyazaki Deserve the Oscar More?
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2023 was actually an OUTSTANDING year for animation, with truly one of the most stacked lineups I’ve ever seen in history. The Academy Awards took place the other night, and The Boy and the Heron beat out the favored Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse. Shameik Moore, Miles Morales himself, claimed Spider-verse was robed! But, with such an outstanding year for animation, I wanted to explore this a little deeper. WAS Spider-Verse robed of the Oscar?? Did they deserve the win over Hayao Miyazaki himself? Was one of the OTHER nominees actually better than EITHER of them!? Well lucky for you, I’ve gone through ALL five nominees for Best Animated Feature at the Academy Awards so we can get to the bottom of which was most deserving.
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If you're going to lose, you should be proud to lose to the king.
IKR!? Also maybe if it didn't end on a cliffhanger .......But I would have loved if Dog and Robot won it cause it looks so damn cute but How do You Live kind of gives the same message of moving on and dealing with loss and his art is always just beautiful
Alright
@@Lovehandelsok
True. On the other hand, the fact it lost the music score nomination to Indiana Jones 5 is really disappointing.
@@saidbojoquerz7228 yeah, that was gross
All animation is robbed during the Oscars
Robed*
Agreed
I think that is good because im sick of animation
Tbf animation just isn't that good. Now if Spiderverse was done in the style of The Marvels or Endgame THEN it would actually be worth watching.
100% true, spiderverse should have gotten way more oscars
Across the Spider-Verse's fate is frustrating, not because it lost to Miyazaki (That's understandable) but that it wasn't nominated for anything besides Best Animated. It could have been competitive in Best Score, Best Cinematography, or Best Editing but because of the Academies, basis against animation it was never considered for any award outside Best Animated.
And I think that's why people said it was snubbed....it wasn't just because of best animation but because of the other categories you mentioned
Could say the same about a lot of other animated films. But yeah, Spider-verse definitely was snubbed of best special effects, and it should've quite definitely been nominated to more categories. Same with The Boy And The Heron.
too many people disregard animation as a kids genre, but thats just stupid
they nominated Indiana Jones for Best Score but not this and I'm willing to bet just cause of John Williams
@@hankskorpio5857you have never watched the spider verse movies
Even though I'm sad Across the Spiderverse didn't win an Oscar, i'm also not mad that The Boy and the Heron won either. It's just refreshing to actually see a 2D animated movie win after all the oversaturation of 3D animated movies.
3D movies still look great wdym
@Dora-xi5ob I'm not saying they are bad in the slightest. I'm just saying there's not a lot of 2d movies as there was before you know. I'm mean take a look at Disney right now
@@Dora-xi5ob "Oversaturation" meaning there are numerous examples.
Oh ok sorry
Even the same can be said for _Guillermo Del Toro’s Pinocchio_ as it was a Stop-Motion animated movie and for almost two decades their hasn’t been ANY Stop Motion animated films that won the category since _Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit._ Personally I love to see more animated films that are Hand Drawn and Stop-Motion to win as often instead of having the academy give the award to a CG film or Pixar all the time.
This is why animation needs to receive individual awards, not just which one is the BEST
Exactly just like in the 2000s animated movies deserve to be nominated for sound or screenplay
THIS. That way the Internet wouldn't have to argue about which film is better when they're both equally beautiful imo
Honestly, I still wish they had a "best animation", "best storyboarding" and SPECIALLY "best voice acting" awards
Para eso están los kids choices
Aunque si deberían hacer una premiaciones solo para animaciones
That's basically what the Annie Awards are, awards specifically for animated works.
Also important: Heron is the first PG-13 film to win Best Animated Feature!
danm it was +10 in my country
As well as the first 2-D Animated Film to win the Oscar since Spirited Away in 2002! Two decades in the making!
@@user-qm2gp7zy3b studio Ghibli does it again babyyyyyyyyyy
When Miyazaki cooks, there's no room for any other chef. This was bound to happen.
That's because Miyazaki doesn't leave room for or respect other chefs. That's why so much staff left to form Studio Ponoc
yes althought in my opinion the boy and heron is suchi
Unless he releases a movie the same year as Frozen. Man, I was rooting for The Wind Rises, but "Let It Go" had already taken over the world at that point.
Odd though since his last film was no where near as good as the spiderman film
Hmm, i don't know. So why it took 21 for another of his films to win a oscar?
The main stigma that plagues the animation categories remains that animation is synonymous with children's entertainment. Most nominated animated features are overwhelmingly kids movies, so it feels like a slap in the face when something as mature and profound as The Boy and the Heron wins. Miyazaki is heralded because he refuses to talk down to his audience, tackling deeper adult themes that just happen to be in anime form. He is the purest definition of a shokunin, a relentless pursuer of perfection at his craft. He's a master storyteller and if The Boy and the Heron is his final work then we must cherish it despite secretly desiring just one more.
Could you imagine if ATSV was up against a premiere of "Grave of the Fireflies"? Or "Only Yesterday"?
Both definitely adult level films - plus neither were made by Miyazaki, but his colleague, Isao Takahata...
I doubt it's gonna be his last movie. He keeps doing this dance. He retires and says he'll never make another movie, someone (usually his son) makes a horrid movie, he gets pissed off comes back makes a movie and retires again. I'd wager he's gonna do it until he dies. Not that I'm complaining.
Which is why he just does not care about the Oscars at all. He’s above them.
Tbh I’m more annoyed that the score wasn’t even nominated than I am that it didn’t get the Best Animated Feature
Especially considering Dial of Destiny got nominated
I was annoyed that “The Boy and the Heron” didn’t get nominated for Best Score! Seriously, both “Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse” and “The Boy and the Heron” should’ve been nominated instead of “American Fiction” and “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny”!
After A Silent Voice got robbed by The Boss Baby, I don’t think any other best animated feature Oscar fiasco will ever compare
When will the Oscars realise that animation is a medium and not a genre? All these animated movies deserve to be nominated on equal terms with all the other nominated movies and not just limited to one category.
Guillermo Del Toro and Dwayne Johnson at last year’s Oscars were more honest and respected Animation as a medium and artform instead of calling Animation a "Genre for Kids" to which Lilly James, Halle Bailey, and Naomi Scott called animated films made for "Kids"
Only people who didn't watch all the other award shows were surprised. The Boy and The Heron won a lot of important awards before the Oscar, this winning was almost obvious.
Plus, there will be more spider verse stuff.
It's the same reason Return of the king dominated. It was a nod to the entire trilogy, not for the movie it's self.
No, it was neck to neck. Spider-Verse won Annies, PGA and Critics' Choice Awards. The boy and the heron won BAFTA and Golden Globes.
@@deepEleven from those award shows only BAFTA and the Golden Globes are strong thermometers, they share the same voters. The Annie is a important award but not as much a indicator.
@@matheuscarloc BAFTA is British awards, not American. I was active during Oscar predictions and many people and articles (like Variety) were predicting Spider-verse. It was more closer to neck-to-neck than one being a front runner.
@@deepEleven See you are wrong. BAFTA again shares a lot of the same voters as the academy, Its been known for YEARS that if you win a BAFTA, you are winning an Oscar. Statistics show that.
"Was Across the Spiderverse robbed?"
Me: ABSOLUTELY.....
"It lost to The Boy and the Heron"
Me: ......NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT
Honestly it's hard to take the animation oscars seriously, because you know that the voters don't actually watch all the movies and just go to the big names that carry clout. Which made extra sense this year since Miyazaki said this was going to be his last film (before changing his mind).
Huh
I think Miyazaki would have won anyway but yeah, they don't really care that much.
@@matti.8465 okok
you did not watch TBATH and it shows
@@Coconut_Prrson I did. It was very beautiful but I didn't really connect with the characters or the world. That's why I felt a bigger connection to Robot Dreams and Spider-Verse
"And elemental was also nominated"
Really goes to show how far disney/pixar has fallen
No it doesn’t and Pixar is still doing fine. Pixar’s films are still doing well critically, asides from Lightyear, and if Elemental making a decent amount of money at the box office is any indicator that Pixar’s upcoming films can do well at the box office again as they did before the pandemic, it’s a good sign that the studio is going to continue doing well onwards. Plus, at least Pixar isn’t afraid to experiment with new animation styles and having new directors make their own animated films, which at least you can’t argue is an advantage they have over Disney. Enough with this “Pixar is in a downward spiral” mentality.
I agree; Pixar hasn't actually been doing nearly as bad as Disney.
The boy and the heron 100% deserves this. I would have liked to see spiderverse take it since it was my favourite to win, but Miyazaki is an ABSOLUTE legend that deserves his flowers and he might never get another chance to be acknowledged by the academy again as this might be his last movie. One thing that might have worked against spiderverse is that maybe the voters thought it was more of the same stuff and it is only a part one so the story isn't complete. It sucks not seeing my movie of the year win but it always has another chance to win when BTSV comes out and even getting nominated (alongside a Miyazaki film of all things) is a huge honor.
Can't believe Spoderman was forced to put on a robe. The Oscars smh...
He didn't listen to Edna Mode: NO CAPES!
Not when the opponent is Miyazaki's Work
Thats is his second oscar dude
@anonimoanonimo5273 and what about it... if we being real... he should've had 4 by now
@@garymaumoyaparedes1253 I know studio Ghibli work is really good. But c'mon. Is the same thing for the last 21 years.
@@anonimoanonimo5273 tell me you have not watch the Studio Ghibli films without telling me you have not watch them
@@garymaumoyaparedes1253 Dude. I've grown watching those movies. And then i rewatched them.
I will always say this: the first Spider-Verse won its Oscar, Miyazaki hasn’t won a single Oscar since 2001 and anime films that are actually critically acclaimed rarely get nominated for Oscars. If you want to complain about ATSV getting robbed, complain about it not getting nominated for its score because that’s an actual robbery
Miyazaki deserved it for Spirited Away. The Boy and the Heron wasn’t that good.
@@petermj1098 wrong
@@petermj1098 well tbf it was a deep, retrospective swan song of 1 of the best Japanese filmmakers right now, so I wouldnt expect everybody to get it
How do you live feels like a fever dream of Hayao Miyazaki. The film feels like a collection of regrets, emotional angst and fears. In some weird way the film seems like a farewell to his career and life. Also the music that plays when the world fall apart felt like a truimphant farewell a celebration of life.
Imagine feeling “robbed” by a Ghibli film! 😝
Admittedly I do think some possible factors adjusted the calculus:
- wanting to honor Miyazaki again while he is still around
- Spiderverse has a third film coming and easy nom/probable win for that one, like the first
But even IF that did TECHNICALLY “edge Heron over” in this one case, it is so far down on the “egregious wrongs committed” in this category to not make a blip. 😝
On an unrelated note, is it possible for anyone to go back to 2014? I have a mission for you.
“robed”
Across the Spider-Verse true robbery was the Best Score snub
Or best editing
100% agree.
I loved the thrown away comment “and Elemental was also nominated”
It truly was an animated film...
"you watch Johnny 2 Cellos?" "No I watch johnny2cellos."
Claiming anyone is robbed of anything when you’re going up against Miyazaki is just crazy to me.
This just shows the Ghibli bias
ATSV was the better movie though. Feels like they're just throwing Ghibli a bone with this.
@@Jaydoff it wasnt the better movie thematically youre just easy to impress with shiny keys
@@stephaniewilliams6756 The Boy and the Heron is literally what an AI would come up with if you told it to make the plot of a Ghibli movie. Not to say that it's not a great movie, but it's pretty standard affair for a Ghibli film. You're just impressed by the prestige of Miyazaki, as is everyone else denying Spiderverse got robbed just because its Miyazaki. Excuse me for having the audacity to take the ANIMATION into account when judging ANIMATED MOVIES. If that's just "shiny keys" to you then I'm sorry you don't personally appreciate it, but most do. This was 100% Miyazaki getting a nod from the academy for his career. That's why The Boy and the Heron won and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
@@Jaydoff most sane spider-verse fan
Honestly while I love the film I’m not even mad Spider verse didn’t get the award, regardless on how I feel about the Boy and the Heron, I’m just Happy Ghibli got a Massive W bc the only film of there’s that won at the Oscar’s was Spirted Away and that was 22 years ago.
Not to mention that having another 2D winner.
It was robbed for best score nomination by Indiana Jones. I get that John Williams is great and Ludwig already had the nomination from oppenheimer but spider-verse just deserved it so much more
But William’s score for Dial of Destiny was mostly old themes, barely anything original, Spiderverse deserved it way more
@@elfinno3491 Yeah that's what I'm sayin
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Sorry, and, not but
To quote Christopher Miller himself, “Well, if you’re gonna lose, you might as well lose to the GOAT 🐐”
Honestly, The Boy and the Heron and How Do You Live are both banger film titles
I think no matter what. We can all agree that Elemental was in fact there.
I look at it like this, into the spiderverse was it's own product with an open end for sequels. Across the spiderverse is exceptional, but it's part 1. The story feels incomplete because it is. It's like infinity war and endgame. They need to be seen together for it to truly work. Plus they're up against ghibli,it's a fair discussion
The loss is perfectly reasonable all things considered.
Also the cliffhanger is not done well. there's no wrap unlike infinity war, empire strikes back, or fellowship. (all that I see people compare when talking about the end of ATSV). Feels like a two hour first act imo
@@Coconut_PrrsonHarry Potter deathly hallows part 1 damn near ended the same way but no complaints.
@@Coconut_Prrsoni just don’t think there was a really good place to set the cliffhanger. They found the best possible spot and god damn if it doesn’t lale me excited for the sequel! Also god damn if I don’t get shy my brother hated it ending there
Spiderverse and Boy and the Heron were both amazing movies, there’s no shame in losing to it
"and elemental was also nominated" is so real
"Stand proud ATSV, you were strong"
Makes sense, boy and the heron is a stand alone film rather than a sequel
Its hard to say because I've always felt the Oscars don't really reward based on quaility or on knowledge. Its sometimes involves a lot of personal bias, some don't even watch it and the optics. Like they easily give an award because they might feel like a nominee has been in the industry long enough to get one, the name recognition of the person/people working on it, the vibes, etc.
Honestly animation needs a lot more award categories and needs to be recognized more. Like where's the award for best va? Best art direction/visual style? Do they think animation is only for kids?
Ok but this time boy in heron was easy w
I don’t even know why they’re mad when the Spiderverse trilogy has already won an Oscar before. If Spiderverse 2 was robbed of anything it was nominations for music, sound and screenplay.
If anything everyone should stop complaining and celebrate that more animation studios besides Disney and Pixar are winning the award and being recognized
Broke: Spider-Verse got robbed
Woke: Robot Dreams got robbed.
Super robbed!
robed
I mean, an Oscar nomination alone is a great achievement.
Robot dreams is good for a nominee but I would never imagine it to actually win compared to spider verse and the boy and the heron
Every nominee was genuinely so good this year but Nimona was just perfect in my opinion
Dude the way you are just describing these movies is enough to get me emotional 🥹 damn, great work as always
I do have to agree with you on 2023 being a great year in animation, with stuff like The Boy and The Heron, Spiderverse, Nimona, First Slam Dunk, TMNT: Mutant Mayhem, Blue Giant, etc. It was such a good year, I was lucky enough to go see Blue Giant in the theater when it was released for a few days in the US on a whim and was amazed, especially by the music and score by Hiromi. It's no surprise that it won the Best Music award at the Japan Film Academy Awards.
I just got back from seeing robot dreams (it was wonderful) and i noticed at 15:00 when i saw it in the cinema there were black bars to censor the finger. I saw it in an independent cinema in the UK for context
"and elemental was also nomiated..." I laguhed at that, sorry, idk why is so funny!
I have only seen "Nimona" and "Spiderman across the Spiderverse. I consider the latter as "half of a film", but it's still the most incredible visual spectacle I have ever seen, and one of the most beautiful and deep and fascinating "half" of a story I have ever enjoyed. I try to avoid films that are longer than 1h30-2h, I made an exception for "Spiderman across the Spiderverse" (it was around 2h30 if I am not mistaken), I was so moved and engaged that I started crying 5 minutes in, and when the film ended I thought it was the half-time break and that in 15 minutes the rest would be screened because it felt too short for the 2h30 to be already over. I was very disappointed and irritated by the splitting of the film, because in general I don't like split stories and I carefully avoid series or other types of multi-episodes narrations, but also I have never experienced so much awe in a cinema and I will never forget this experience. As said, I consider it "half of a film", but despite this it still managed to win my total love and admiration.
When you watchn The boy and the Heron you consumed the whole thing. With Across the Spider verse, the casual viewer must have prior knowledge of the first spider verse movie.
I believe the boy and the heron deserved the award I would have loved to see across the spiderverse win, but tbath, in my opinion, deserved it especially since it was Miyazaki's last film
I'm ngl, I'm glad anything but Elemental won. Did I want Spiderverse to win? Yes but since Boy and the Heron is only the second 2D animated film to win an Oscar. I'm happy with it
and would you look at that both by Ghibli
@@Coconut_Prrson yeah!!
I still remember in 2020 Oscars and I got so mad at Klaus losing to f*cking TS4 in best animated feature
For those wondering:
25:51 is "Deep sea"
26:02 is "The Peasants"
Johnny you never fail to impress with the amount of effort you put into your videos. Animation is a very important subject for me and for someone to go through the entire history of Oscar nominated animated films is just incredible. Can't wait to check it out.
frankly I'm just glad Disney/Pixar neither film lost to Wish or Elemental, which *might* have happened considering how much Disney rigs this race.
I think I enjoyed watching Spider-Verse more overall but I'm also just happy to see a traditional animated film win the award again.
Wouldn’t say it robbery for Across the Spiderverse to lose out to The Boy and the Heron. Both are incredible. Wouldn’t of been mad if any of those two won tbh
Robbed < Robed
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
20:45 I never caught the parallel between Gwen's mistake and her father's mistake. Nice catch
Spider-Verse's soundtrack and score was absolutely robbed at both the oscars and grammys. At least for best animated feature it lost to a worthy opponent, and BTSV will win it next year
As amazing as ITSV was, I also feel the one thing that holds it back is being the first part to a final two movies. The first Spider-verse movie was it's own story beginning to end, therefore it could be judged as such. With this in mind, despite the fact that that part two does work great as it's own sequel, it is kinda dependant on how it's second half finishes up.
I have nothing but confidence that they will be able to stick the landing with BTSV, but until it does come out we're gonna just have to wait.
They don’t want spiderverse to win because that means they have to do more, meaning the bar of expectations is no longer gonna be set at a all time low
I can't wait to see you behemoth video about every nomination!
Thanks!! Here’s the link, it’s over on my 2nd channel :)
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@@Johnny2Cellos thank you! 🖤
Short answer: No
Long answer: absolutely.
@alemonyoyo69420 Spiderverse wasn't robbed stop coping.
@@arminarlert7273 I thought it was robbed. Just my opinion.
@@alemonyoyo69420 real long answer: Noooooo
@@christiangutierrez8841bro it’s his opinion
Watched the start of the 6 hour video to fall asleep last night can't wait to jump back in tonight
This was their final time to award Miyazaki before he passes on for good. He's high up there in age and Spider-Verse got a massive thundering applause from The Academy. The cliffhanger ending really affected them, even though most didn't mind it. It almost came down to a split decision and came pretty close. However, Heron was rightfully deserved as the final film of a legendary animator and artist that may be wrapping up his filmography. Spider-Verse has one more film which is said to go all in and go Return of the King style on The Academy and win many Oscars. It also feels like a winner in its own way, winning more awards than any animated film ever, including being the first animated film franchise ever to win 14 Annie Awards, receive 3 Critics Choice Award nominations and winning one, 3 Golden Globe nominations, the first animated franchise ever to win PGA, ADG, ACE and 2 Critics Choice Awards for Best Animated Feature for its first 2 films. If this film won as much as it did, imagine what the next one will do. We're also getting more animated films from Sony Animation and Marvel in the style of them both. This includes spin-off films of characters from Spider-Verse like Gwen, Miguel, Hobie and even an animated Venom film and so much more. The possibilities are endless now and their awards sweep, high box office profits as well as criticlal praise is just beginning. They should both be considered winners for very different reasons, as both are masterpieces that are among the greatest animated films of all time. Both are groundbreaking, profound, compelling and moving works of art that transcend the lengths of animated storytelling. Heron has the Golden Globe, BAFTA and Oscar, but Spider-Verse has everything else, including the Critics Choice Award and PGA for 2 straight films. In many ways, that's even better and more valuable. Any thoughts?
Summarize pls
@@Baovaniviet Both are deserving and are considered top notch.
@@AntThePianoMan Thank you bro 🙏
@@Baovaniviet I honestly haven't seen Heron. I heard it's an achievement. The hand drawn art style is refreshing compared to what we've been getting recently.
2023 was such a great year for animations, I’m truly grateful we got these masterpieces.
Edit: I wish more more amazing projects WITH better staff treatment as a priority and NORM!
Awesome breakdown.
And yeah, any other year, Spiderverse would have grabbed the statue, but this year, the competition was just waaay too intense.
Just watched Robot Dreams (it's screening now in Taiwan, where I currently live, for a short 2 weeks window)
Notably absent of the nominations this year was the Chinese movie Deep Sea. I haven't seen it yet, but everybody I know who's see it told me it's a revolutionary movie that is basically gonna be the next big thing in animation, after Ghibli and the Spiderverse movies.
Also, another pearl is the French Sirocco Le Royaume des Courants d'air, which looks absolutely marvelous.
Robot Dreams.
it's wild to me that frozen beat out the wind rises
Robbed of a Best Original Score nomination, that's for sure.
Plus, looks at the release dates. Spiderverse came out during the summer, The Boy and the Heron can out in the US in December, so it came out at the right time to be fresh in voters minds. That’s why many movies are released at the end of the year, so they have a good chance of getting recognized.
Hayao Miyazaki has made so many movies that should've won an Oscar and didn't.
Spider-Verse is probably the better movie but Myazaki deserved a second oscar in his life time. If the third Spider-Verse movie is as good as two than it'll get the Oscar next year.
Absolutely, his movies are all amazing. He really deserves it
"Spider-Verse is probably the better movie..." that's hilarious. The entire plot is a Twitter argument because people calls Miles Morales Miles Morales instead of Spider-Man.
It's not like Miyazaki is that good either, overrated director but Ghibli is the safe anime choice esp when there were some other films that flew under the radar because people don't want to expand their interests.
Tsuburaya, who's as old as Ghibli, released the last of their SSSS series with Gridman Universe. That's not even going into Toei's anime films this year like Precure All Stars F
@@leonishikino6873 "Its not like Miyazaki is that good either, overrated director"
Yikes. That's certainly one of the opinions of all time.
@@leonishikino6873
This is really the most opinion of all time. It’s not the worse but it’s up there
We'll be REAL lucky if it's out next year. I'd expect it in 2026 or 2027
In my opinion, the most likely reason for this win is legacy over anything else. Since Miyazaki said he was retiring once before, no one can be sure what his actual final film will be so they gave it to him now since they probably won’t be able to do it again. It’s just like how the Emmys give a TV actor an Emmy for their final season of eligibility after never winning before,the two biggest examples being Matthew Rhys for The Americans and Jon Hamm for Mad Men. Overall, I think the best one came out on top and that is all that really matters.
Still mad the Emmys didn't do that for Bob Odenkirk and Better Call Saul, that show got snubbed hard.
@@Sugarman96 I couldn’t agree more. Maybe the Television Academy felt that they had already bestowed enough awards on Breaking Bad and didn’t want Better Call Saul to be the big winner every year. If anything, at least the show now holds the record for being the most snubbed show in Emmys history, so that’s somewhat of a silver lining I suppose.
The boy and the Heron wasnt the best Miyazaki film, but its more of an award for his entire career. And spiderverse wasnt even a whole movie, it was only half, you award half a movie.
I can understand why some people are upset that “Spider-Man: Across the Spiderverse” didn’t win because they consider “The Boy and the Heron” to be not one of Miyazaki’s greatest films, but the blame should be on the deceptive marketing strategy that GKIDS did to appeal to western audiences. Changing the film’s original title from “How Do You Live” to the “The Boy and the Heron” definitely made the film appear like the whimsical fairytale that would be like Miyazaki’s previous films like “Howls Moving Castle” and “Spirited Away” and the original expectations of what “The Boy and the Heron” should be, was unrealistic to what the original film intended to be and its understandable for audiences to mad about being deceived and taking their frustrations out on the movie. “How Do You Live” was the original title in Japanese theaters and the marketing was practically non existence, so they didn’t deceived the Japanese audiences, so the film was better received in the beginning, because there wasn’t any pro-conceived expectations for the film at the beginning.
Why is everyone still talking about the oscars and animation?! Did everyone forget how much they disrespected animation?! Not just that, but they talked about the live action disney movies, which weren't even animated! Sure they have cgi, and cgi is a type of animation, but still. People thinking pg rated movies are made for kids just because they're pg or animated in some way, that's a steriotype. Because it's not true. And movies like spiderverse have already proved that they're clearly not made specifically for kids.
23:00, YES! You totally should make another video.
"and elemental was also nominated" 💀
Calm the heck down, dude. There’s been worse animated films nominated for Best Animated Feature. Remember Shark Tale? The Boss Baby?
I am really sad to see how tragically elemental is overlooked. You mentioned that you did not love the front half while I was absolutely floored at how beautifully it captured the immigrant experience of Ember's parents. The entire film is just a brilliant depiction of the intertwining of race and class in metropolitan cities.
I agree. I don’t get the hate for elemental. Maybe it’s not top tier Pixar but the animation is pretty good and I liked the story. It’s not finding Nemo but it’s not cars either.
@@rachelh2816I’d prefer the first cars over elementals honestly
@@lorddj9910I'd prefer Cars 2 over elementals easily. the water dude is such an insufferable character. His public confession scene made my toes curl.
The fact that spidrverse across was essentially a part 1 is the biggest reason I'm not surprised it didn't win
Though if the next one sticks the landing, I'm confident it'll absolutely be a shoe in
Haven't watched a Miyazaki film since Spirited Away (which I only vaguely recall - same with Mononoke. Robot Dreams though, I NEED to see that. I like the style and the moment you said no dialogue - THAT may be what I was hoping for with that other robot in a new environment movie coming out - The Wild Robot
I saw it at a festival. Trust me, it will tug at your heart strings.
Look I think both Spiderverse and Heron are both 10/10 movies personally I think Spiderverse is slightly better since it overall felt more personal and I resonated to its themes a lot more as. However Boy and the Heron absolutely deserved to win cause of how personal of a film this was for Miasaki
My brother did point out that sequels usually don’t win.
And even though I was sad ATSV lost, I’m still happy that anime got a win
Not only that, but the middle movies of trilogies usual don't win. If I am not mistaken, "The two towers" didn't get a single Oscar (or at least, not an important one).
Did Shrek 2 win?
Agreed, non western animation deserves more respect as well.
@@valentinkambushev4968It did win Best Sound Editing and Visual Effects (of course 🙄), but was definitely snubbed for Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Original Score & Song, Best Make-Up and Hairstyling, Best Costume Design and Best Supporting Actor for Andy Serkis.
@@valentinkambushev4968the dark knight?
Robot dreams was incredible both times I saw it. Once illegally (lol) and next in a sneak leak theatrically this month. Truly incredible
Johnny’s complaint about Wade’s character intro is so funny bc.. that’s exactly how a lot of majority identity psychological processes just work - they’ll fk you over bc that’s how things are done and then as soon as it’s done the pin drops - it’s like a messed up post-nut clarity then the personality shift when they see you as a person.. it’s eerily similar to real life
Thank you so much for acknowledging Unicorn Wars. It's like my new favorite thing right now and all I want to see is people talking about it because it's a masterpiece and should be known as such for generations to come. Thank you.
Did you expect a superhero movie to beat Miyazaki?
To be fair, Frozen beat Miyazaki
@@Johnny2Cellos I enjoyed The Wind rises , but was not that bothered by it losing, because Miyazaki had much more to offer as an animator. But Howl's moving castles deserved the wind when it got nominated.
My daughter started taking cello lessons this year, it’s a wonderful instrument.
whats also a reason for atsv not winning is something you said yourself: these are all vastly different movies, they frankly don't belong in the same category, but their own more specific categories
like there could/should be one for 3d animation and one for 2d, maybe one specifically for storyboarding/screenwriting in animation, maybe one for like visuals (along the lines of production design or cinematography for live action)
Great that Slam Dunk, Blue Giant and Suzume were referenced in the video - I really liked The Boy and the Heron, but would not have grumbled if any of these had been nominated alongside or even instead of it. A great year for animation indeed!
I haven’t seen the boy and the heron but I’m not surprised it won and it probably deserved it. Across the Spiderverse is my second favorite animated movie of all time.
2:52 I wish I knew that during my first watch, I think I would have gone into it with a bit more understanding of the message.
While Spiderverse2 is a long advertisement for the third movie (with a lot of great moments in it), “The Boy and the Heron” is self-contained masterpiece. Incomparable, actually…
Boy and the Heron deserved to win. People need to grow up.
What's the giant rainbow crab airship at 25:50 from? o.o
Deep Sea
I wanna watch your 99 Oscar's video but can't find your 2nd channel at all. I'll just search for the video directly
There’s a link at the end of the video, in the description AND on my main channel page :)
I think there's a simple answer : it's the Oscars. Like every "best thing of the year" kind of ceremony, it's not a reward to the best thing but what the academy deems worthy. There's already a lot of issue with the way the academy treats animation as a separate category from live action, or the fact that they mostly reward the most "oscar friendly" content. A lot of times the academy showed either a disdain or disinterest for animation, they simply rewarded the one their kids loved or the ones that's more socially acceptable for this Hollywood-centered world. Plus : it's Miyazaki. Dude's pratically the only real animator treated as an author by mainstream medias, so rewarding a Myazaki film is just the easy choice for them to make.
I did NOT know blue giant had a movie I need to watch it now lol
If the first movie was Miles's story and the second movie was Gwen's, I assume that the third and last movie will be for the both of them and even the rest of the Spider people.
What was that basketball animation in the last bit of the video?
The First Slam Dunk
What did you think Elemental was about? You said the first half was boring, and Wade was insufferable- culture building and the MC flaws of racism bias (Wade) and trauma (Ember) is a thing that's apart of immigrant experience. And in a storytellying aspect needed to be set up, for the payoff that is the back half
I knew The Boy and The Heron was going to win, and I think it's really deserved. I was more upset that Spiderverse didn't get nominated for any other categories. It really sucks that the Academy throws animated movies into 1 category and calls it a day, all these movies (and the other ones that weren't nominated) deserve recognition beyond 'best animated film', but the Academy doesn't like giving other nominations to animated films.
At certain levels of quality i feel none is "better". Im glad if oart of the reason for the lose was the animators treatment. Thats an issue that deserves more atencion
I've watched both and honestly the two were tough. It was gonna be a tough choice. I think The Boy and The Heron deserved the win even though the fan favorite was Across The Spider Verse. It was really close
I enjoyed both Spider Verse movies, but Miyuzaki hands down deserved the Oscars. Big Hero 6 left one Hell of a shit stain in Oscar History when it robbed arguably his greatest piece of work of the award, meanwhile Sony has for the most part made Unholy movies. Spider Verse and the sequel do deserve praise absolutely, but Miyuzaki's films are magical. I'll always have an astronomical level of respect for Studio Ghibli.