Timestamps - Shards: 1:08 Esper 11:11 Jund 20:51 Bant 30:11 Grixis 42:05 Naya - Wedges: 53:19 Abzan 1:07:32 Mardu 1:20:08 Jeskai ( HELL YEAH! ) 1:33:36 Sultai 1:46:46 Temur Learn more about the colors featured in this video: White - th-cam.com/video/Kgj4Vb-Bc1g/w-d-xo.html Green - th-cam.com/video/Wa4unbtsBtE/w-d-xo.html Black - th-cam.com/video/PAlr1_ReQq8/w-d-xo.html Blue - th-cam.com/video/_SJWQkWBj6c/w-d-xo.html Red - th-cam.com/video/uHJHwqsOZbU/w-d-xo.html
For sure. I am in the process of writing the next class color episode but I'll be so busy in the next 2 weeks with finishing up school that I figured this would be nice to put out for people in the mean time.
My brain: “this series is perfect, I wish I could watch it all together. *digs through channel history* oh my god, the mad man, he did it, oh yeah, it’s all coming together.”
I had made a playlist of all of the color videos and would listen to them on shuffle whenever I just wanted to go over them all. Having it all in one video is perfect!
Now this makes my day better. Can you put timestamps tough? I will probably watch this one a million times Edit: Fine, i'll do it myself - *Shards:* 1:08 Esper 11:11 Jund 20:51 Bant 30:11 Grixis 42:05 Naya - *Wedges:* 53:19 Abzan 1:07:32 Mardu 1:20:08 Jeskai ( *HELL YEAH!* ) 1:33:36 Sultai 1:46:46 Temur
That was incredible, what an awesome discovery, resonates so deeply, so many approaches and subtilities at the same time, like you know a MTG game. Cheers!
Just discovered your channel recently and am really enjoying your colour philosophy work. It's even helped me to better understand and appreciate what I value as I apply real life experiences to the colour pie. I've come to the conclusion that I'm Jeskai aligned, and i think that the exclusion of Green mana is more of a concession to the conceptual premise of wedges than it is a reflection of Jeskai philosophy. The combination of Red and Blue, both colours synonymous with natural forces and elements, mean that Jeskai is capable of finding wisdom, beauty and inspiration in understanding nature, even if we are circumstantially or philosophically inclined to stand apart from it. This is because Green has certain virtues that are compelling to both sides of the wedge. On the other hand, Black, with its more nihilistic implications, appeals primarily to the outlier, particularly if you lean into the creative and aspirational aspects of the Blue-Red pairing. After all, the addition of White begs the question: What is the point of creation, if the only one edified by it is yourself? Love the content and I hope to see you in my notifications again soon.
I've recently found your work and it's opened my eyes to the fun and inspiring world of color wheel theory. Thanks for all your hard work! I deeply appreciate the instructive groundwork you've laid in these videos.
I like how I can skip to any part of the video and know which video the piece came from. Even when the colors and area aren’t showing. I’ve watched all these too many times.
This is such a great series. Thanks for making it. I really enjoyed it and it helped a lot to someone who is coming back to magic after a 20 year hiatus.
Thank you for the video. It's quite interesting to hear about this different philosophies and to consider their implementation as a guideline in the daily life according to ones own beliefs.
I think somethings missing on the Grixis interpretation. The aspect i find appealing in Grixis is Red and Blues desire to experiment and create combined with Black's disregard for convention and morality. Its finding beauty in the grotesque, its pain as an aesthetic modifier, its attraction to the macabre.
I like your analysis on the wedges, but I'd like to provide a counterpoint to your methodology: the apex beasts. Each of the apex beasts is (pun intended I'm sure) centered in it's "apex" color, not the allied pairing. This can be seen in all of them, but especially Brokkos (Sultai), Apex of Forever and Nephroi (Abzan), Apex of Death, which much more strongly manifest green than Dimir and black than Selesnya, respectively. I think you could argue these are just outliers, but personally I really like the idea of Sultai Brokkos represents more than a Dimir based one. With stuff like Mythos of Brokkos, I personally interpret that Sultai is green stripped of concern for the here and now. It's like the inverse of Naya--instead of being passive, but flaring up when it perceives a threat to the ecosystem, this version of Sultai sees all organisms, including humans, viruses, whatever, as fulfilling their natural roles when they expand and contract. It's not bothered by population explosions or extinctions, technological development or anything, because it has the perspective that self-survival (black) and change/detachment (blue) are integral parts of the natural order (green), and that the system will outlive all it's components in the end. As you can probably guess, I'm a Sultai fan.
I like how each of the groups (containing green) display an idea of nature. Jund: brutal, vindictive nature that’s out to get you Bant: carefully cultivated nature, like a formal English garden Naya: idealized nature, where everything “knows its place” Temur: elemental nature and extreme weather Sultai: dank, rotting nature, decaying and fetid Abzan: apathetic nature, the closest to reality, where everything is just doing whatever it does to survive
Great video as always my man! It could be interesting to have a video where we look at historical figures and political/cultural movements of our world through the color pie lens. To help understand their worldview, goals and ideals.
I’m a bit late but thank you for these videos! I have a homebrew D&D world that has had their organizations, countries and similar really fleshed out due to these videos!
I tough this said "Pantheon" ... Oh well, might as well leave a like ! A series about the colors of the gods of MtG (and maybe other sources) could be fun though !
"Like the creeper that girdles the tree trunk, the law runneth forward and back. For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack." I think a great example for a Mardu in historical fiction with a strong tie to his white side would be Sir Lancelot from Arthurian legend. A valiant knight to wanted nothing more than to uphold his king and country but ended up betraying his king via self interest and passion, only to throw down the blade and renounce his knighthood in shame. Truly to me this is the example of a white focused Mardu
What I like about the shards and wedges as you talk about them is the possibility of the philosophies going too far. Since everything is so well defined, it's easy to see how the "good ones" could be formed into extremes of themselves.
Came to this video to look at a wedge that I felt represented a character idea of mine for DnD. Lieutenant Commander Beatrice Browning, Giff Paladin of Conquest. Giff are inherently leaning towards White/Red, forming up into military structure to the point of gaining a rank as soon as they are born, loving military action, and especially the idea of using gunpowder for bigger, louder action. Beatrice specifically is a Giff who got flung across the planes by accident and ended up outside the structure of her unit, and combined with a bit of ego she already had, took on the ways and beliefs of Conquest Paladins. To bring the end of battle by any cost, to break the enemy utterly, even enslave them if needed. And to keep one's self as the strongest.
"What if the enneagram were a pentagram, and one could play a game with it?" Mr. DiceTry, I strongly suggest you look into that system- if you haven't already. I'm new to your channel and MTG.
Mardu reminds me of Max Stirner’s ideas about the Union of Egoists. A loose anti-statist society of people cooperating where it’s in their interest to do so, ultimately caring for each other so that each one among them may satisfy their own unique desires.
Our lawmakers must be Bant (what good are ever-evolving laws if they’re not rooted in tradition?). Our law enforcers must be Jeskai (what good is upholding the law if you haven’t the wisdom to know when to apply empathy?) Our cultural leaders must be Selesnyan or Bant (for the same reason as lawmakers.) Our innovators must be Simic (why invent a solution to a problem that either already has a solution or isn’t even a problem at all?) Our military must be Boros (should a soldier not have the intense drive and patriotism to defend his homeland with his very life?) Our people must be Naya (should we not celebrate our culture and life itself with our kinsmen?)
I find in your Jund analysis you are missing a huge part of green - that of self reflection. Blue may be the color of planning and knowledge, which Jund lacks, but Green is the color of sentimentality and wisdom. Green's main drive is to understand its role in the world so it can play its part; self-reflection is essential to Green. The combination most lacking in reflection and most sure of its actions would be Mardu. White's righteous fervor, red's emotion, and black's selfishness leads Merdu to be less prone to questioning itself than Jund. Overall I think you have a dim view of Green and Black, two colors with which I expect you don't personally identify.
@DiceTry So true, m8. There's a difference between protecting copyright holders and spoiling a great video for a few lines of contextually accurate emphasis. Ever consider Odysee, Nebula, or any other such alternatives?
I'm very confused by your claim that white-blue is the pair of/most aligned with philosophy. As if the rest of the colors as described in this video don't concern themselves with philosophical positions! You even call other things philosophy elsewhere! I get that the ancient Greek school wanted to improve society and self through structure and reason, and that a lot of philosophy since then has positioned itself as using those methods. However, this completely misses most appeals present in philosophy, whether it pertains to an ideal state of the world, or the ideal means to get to an ideal state. Other colors can use reason to present an argument; this is showed inworld in Magic's stories. I guess in the end the question is what exactly you mean by "philisophy" as belonging to white and blue? What is philosophy to you? Is Kierkegaard philosophy? That guy was pretty green!
Timestamps
- Shards:
1:08 Esper
11:11 Jund
20:51 Bant
30:11 Grixis
42:05 Naya
- Wedges:
53:19 Abzan
1:07:32 Mardu
1:20:08 Jeskai ( HELL YEAH! )
1:33:36 Sultai
1:46:46 Temur
Learn more about the colors featured in this video:
White - th-cam.com/video/Kgj4Vb-Bc1g/w-d-xo.html
Green - th-cam.com/video/Wa4unbtsBtE/w-d-xo.html
Black - th-cam.com/video/PAlr1_ReQq8/w-d-xo.html
Blue - th-cam.com/video/_SJWQkWBj6c/w-d-xo.html
Red - th-cam.com/video/uHJHwqsOZbU/w-d-xo.html
(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ hahah, you kept the "HELL YEAH" on Jeskai. Nice!
This needs to be pinned.
@lazyscholar7932 good call, it's now pinned
If this does well enough would you like me to do this with the dual color series?
Absolutely!
Please sir can I have some more
For sure. I am in the process of writing the next class color episode but I'll be so busy in the next 2 weeks with finishing up school that I figured this would be nice to put out for people in the mean time.
Yes please!
Yes
30:04
"But to Bant, no philosophy is worth considering if it's not ideal for all."
I really like that, I might be a bant gamer
My brain: “this series is perfect, I wish I could watch it all together. *digs through channel history* oh my god, the mad man, he did it, oh yeah, it’s all coming together.”
This video needs way more love from the magic community. All colour theories in 1 spot?? Amazing.
I had made a playlist of all of the color videos and would listen to them on shuffle whenever I just wanted to go over them all. Having it all in one video is perfect!
Now this makes my day better. Can you put timestamps tough? I will probably watch this one a million times
Edit: Fine, i'll do it myself
- *Shards:*
1:08 Esper
11:11 Jund
20:51 Bant
30:11 Grixis
42:05 Naya
- *Wedges:*
53:19 Abzan
1:07:32 Mardu
1:20:08 Jeskai ( *HELL YEAH!* )
1:33:36 Sultai
1:46:46 Temur
Dice Try can you and paste these timestamps into description.
Thanks for grabbing those timestamps. I pinned them now at the top
@@DiceTry Don't worry, i had great fun rewatching it all! You keep doing an awesome job man
Thanks for putting this together. I would love to see this done for the duality series.
That was incredible, what an awesome discovery, resonates so deeply, so many approaches and subtilities at the same time, like you know a MTG game. Cheers!
Just discovered your channel recently and am really enjoying your colour philosophy work. It's even helped me to better understand and appreciate what I value as I apply real life experiences to the colour pie. I've come to the conclusion that I'm Jeskai aligned, and i think that the exclusion of Green mana is more of a concession to the conceptual premise of wedges than it is a reflection of Jeskai philosophy. The combination of Red and Blue, both colours synonymous with natural forces and elements, mean that Jeskai is capable of finding wisdom, beauty and inspiration in understanding nature, even if we are circumstantially or philosophically inclined to stand apart from it. This is because Green has certain virtues that are compelling to both sides of the wedge. On the other hand, Black, with its more nihilistic implications, appeals primarily to the outlier, particularly if you lean into the creative and aspirational aspects of the Blue-Red pairing. After all, the addition of White begs the question: What is the point of creation, if the only one edified by it is yourself? Love the content and I hope to see you in my notifications again soon.
I've recently found your work and it's opened my eyes to the fun and inspiring world of color wheel theory.
Thanks for all your hard work! I deeply appreciate the instructive groundwork you've laid in these videos.
I like how I can skip to any part of the video and know which video the piece came from. Even when the colors and area aren’t showing. I’ve watched all these too many times.
This is such a great series. Thanks for making it. I really enjoyed it and it helped a lot to someone who is coming back to magic after a 20 year hiatus.
I didn't realize I needed this video, but I'm very glad to have it! Colorpie marathon!
Thank you for the video. It's quite interesting to hear about this different philosophies and to consider their implementation as a guideline in the daily life according to ones own beliefs.
I think somethings missing on the Grixis interpretation. The aspect i find appealing in Grixis is Red and Blues desire to experiment and create combined with Black's disregard for convention and morality. Its finding beauty in the grotesque, its pain as an aesthetic modifier, its attraction to the macabre.
I like your analysis on the wedges, but I'd like to provide a counterpoint to your methodology: the apex beasts.
Each of the apex beasts is (pun intended I'm sure) centered in it's "apex" color, not the allied pairing. This can be seen in all of them, but especially Brokkos (Sultai), Apex of Forever and Nephroi (Abzan), Apex of Death, which much more strongly manifest green than Dimir and black than Selesnya, respectively.
I think you could argue these are just outliers, but personally I really like the idea of Sultai Brokkos represents more than a Dimir based one.
With stuff like Mythos of Brokkos, I personally interpret that Sultai is green stripped of concern for the here and now. It's like the inverse of Naya--instead of being passive, but flaring up when it perceives a threat to the ecosystem, this version of Sultai sees all organisms, including humans, viruses, whatever, as fulfilling their natural roles when they expand and contract. It's not bothered by population explosions or extinctions, technological development or anything, because it has the perspective that self-survival (black) and change/detachment (blue) are integral parts of the natural order (green), and that the system will outlive all it's components in the end.
As you can probably guess, I'm a Sultai fan.
I like how each of the groups (containing green) display an idea of nature.
Jund: brutal, vindictive nature that’s out to get you
Bant: carefully cultivated nature, like a formal English garden
Naya: idealized nature, where everything “knows its place”
Temur: elemental nature and extreme weather
Sultai: dank, rotting nature, decaying and fetid
Abzan: apathetic nature, the closest to reality, where everything is just doing whatever it does to survive
This whole series has been great content. Thank you.
Love this! Keep them coming
I think I will dobthe dual colors next
Great listen for the commute
This is nice to review in the context of SNC
Great video as always my man!
It could be interesting to have a video where we look at historical figures and political/cultural movements of our world through the color pie lens. To help understand their worldview, goals and ideals.
Really awesome video, this gives me a lot of inspiration as well as insight into the game
Grixis, Mardu and Jund are my favorites with Ether, Naya, Sultan and Timur also having a lean
I’m a bit late but thank you for these videos! I have a homebrew D&D world that has had their organizations, countries and similar really fleshed out due to these videos!
That's awesome to hear!
I tough this said "Pantheon" ... Oh well, might as well leave a like ! A series about the colors of the gods of MtG (and maybe other sources) could be fun though !
Loving this! :)
Omg I love this
Compilation! Thanks much.
"Like the creeper that girdles the tree trunk, the law runneth forward and back. For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack."
I think a great example for a Mardu in historical fiction with a strong tie to his white side would be Sir Lancelot from Arthurian legend. A valiant knight to wanted nothing more than to uphold his king and country but ended up betraying his king via self interest and passion, only to throw down the blade and renounce his knighthood in shame. Truly to me this is the example of a white focused Mardu
Amazing videos friend
I don't know if this exists already but I would be interested in color philosophy behind 4 mana combinations or all 5!
What I like about the shards and wedges as you talk about them is the possibility of the philosophies going too far. Since everything is so well defined, it's easy to see how the "good ones" could be formed into extremes of themselves.
All in one gift pack ^_^
Came to this video to look at a wedge that I felt represented a character idea of mine for DnD. Lieutenant Commander Beatrice Browning, Giff Paladin of Conquest. Giff are inherently leaning towards White/Red, forming up into military structure to the point of gaining a rank as soon as they are born, loving military action, and especially the idea of using gunpowder for bigger, louder action. Beatrice specifically is a Giff who got flung across the planes by accident and ended up outside the structure of her unit, and combined with a bit of ego she already had, took on the ways and beliefs of Conquest Paladins. To bring the end of battle by any cost, to break the enemy utterly, even enslave them if needed. And to keep one's self as the strongest.
Timestamps for each combination would be very useful.
Yeah I'll be setting that up after work so tomorrow it should be up.
@@DiceTry (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ Don't worry, i got this
I know this is a year old video but if you do another of these youtube’s chapters could help for going back without clicking another video
A quote from late Bruce Lee: "this is". Trully a very physical manifestation of Temur.
Yeah unfortunately the clip got copy right struck so had to take it out
@@DiceTry ohm hey. What was the quote?
@@TheWingedHussar oh man it's been years since I've made this video so I don't want to Butcher it. Just look up the "like water" clip on TH-cam
@@DiceTry ok, thanks!
"What if the enneagram were a pentagram, and one could play a game with it?"
Mr. DiceTry, I strongly suggest you look into that system- if you haven't already. I'm new to your channel and MTG.
I'm going to design an Enneagame!!
15:08 *EPILEPSY WARNING* ⚠
Mardu reminds me of Max Stirner’s ideas about the Union of Egoists. A loose anti-statist society of people cooperating where it’s in their interest to do so, ultimately caring for each other so that each one among them may satisfy their own unique desires.
Grixis be like:
SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG (WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS)
So esper is literally unforgivable Science
I wonder which would be the color philosophy of a hipotetical wind yellow mana that oposes green
I like to think Temur is more "The Right Hand of the Universe".... Because is space and other planets not part of nature... Or the natural existence
Wait no nooooo WHAT QUOTE FROM BRUCE LEE AAAHHHH ILL NEVER KNOW!!!
Ink?
Our lawmakers must be Bant (what good are ever-evolving laws if they’re not rooted in tradition?).
Our law enforcers must be Jeskai (what good is upholding the law if you haven’t the wisdom to know when to apply empathy?)
Our cultural leaders must be Selesnyan or Bant (for the same reason as lawmakers.)
Our innovators must be Simic (why invent a solution to a problem that either already has a solution or isn’t even a problem at all?)
Our military must be Boros (should a soldier not have the intense drive and patriotism to defend his homeland with his very life?)
Our people must be Naya (should we not celebrate our culture and life itself with our kinsmen?)
Like naya i dont care about being judged im the type of person that says to others what you see is what you get
I find in your Jund analysis you are missing a huge part of green - that of self reflection. Blue may be the color of planning and knowledge, which Jund lacks, but Green is the color of sentimentality and wisdom. Green's main drive is to understand its role in the world so it can play its part; self-reflection is essential to Green.
The combination most lacking in reflection and most sure of its actions would be Mardu. White's righteous fervor, red's emotion, and black's selfishness leads Merdu to be less prone to questioning itself than Jund.
Overall I think you have a dim view of Green and Black, two colors with which I expect you don't personally identify.
First
:'(
crazy how Mardu just shifted into anarcho-communism for a bit, lol
is it so hard to use timestamps?
😂 "And now, a quote from the late Bruce Lee::
'Pssth'"
😂😂 Copyright issues?
Yeah, had to blank that out, damn youtube
@DiceTry So true, m8. There's a difference between protecting copyright holders and spoiling a great video for a few lines of contextually accurate emphasis.
Ever consider Odysee, Nebula, or any other such alternatives?
I'm very confused by your claim that white-blue is the pair of/most aligned with philosophy. As if the rest of the colors as described in this video don't concern themselves with philosophical positions! You even call other things philosophy elsewhere!
I get that the ancient Greek school wanted to improve society and self through structure and reason, and that a lot of philosophy since then has positioned itself as using those methods. However, this completely misses most appeals present in philosophy, whether it pertains to an ideal state of the world, or the ideal means to get to an ideal state. Other colors can use reason to present an argument; this is showed inworld in Magic's stories.
I guess in the end the question is what exactly you mean by "philisophy" as belonging to white and blue? What is philosophy to you? Is Kierkegaard philosophy? That guy was pretty green!
Esper is late stage capitalism
Hint: work on your delivery and write deeper scripts