@@SpinDoctor91 Hey there is an app called the Wave on steam that is about to shut down March 30th and I am doing a show in it for tomorrow, feb 18th at 10pm easter, and I have a huge chunk of the show dedicated to the game for it was what got me into VR and changed my life. I made a dumb joke and I qoute, "Yeah I get VR when Zone of the Enders comes out for it, HUR DE HUR DUR!!!!" Then almost 2-3 days later news came out it was going to be released for VR. It still feels surreal, and part of me wants to say I am lying to you or myself because why would they re-release it, AND give it a vr mode? Either way I am super happy about it.
Yeah, the final battles with Anubis were kind of odd in that none of them felt quite as satisfying as you'd think they should. The space battle would have benefitted from this theme (or a more fleshed out climatic version of it, over the generic one it actually had) and any sense that you were properly fighting for keeps in this stage of the battle.
@Damama Also be aware that on planets, Orbital Frames have the aerial advantage: they spend 99 percent of the time hovering deftly in the air without expense of energy at all. There's kind of a reason why they have 'Orbital' in the name
It's because Anubis is the only Frame with Zero Shift. That alone makes him a hard target and acts as his "Dash" move. I think it's a balancing thing but really means jack when Naked Jehuty is available.
@Matsuba83 The only thing an OF can have a hard time beating is Guren Lagaan, but then again, if you remember Dolores I, the pilot's soul gets absorbed into the OF upon death, thus making it him/her immortal. So with enough time and patience, an OF might be able to beat a guren lagaan.
@Damama Just so you know, Orbital Frames are actually capable of self-repair and Auuman Anubis can repair on the fly. It really doesn't matter if the machine can repair itself in the long run since Metatron is pretty much a limitless energy, it can continue to pound on the thing until there's nothing left
2023. Maybe Kojima will buy the rights to the ZOE franchise from Douchenami. Also, idk if Burning Gundam could match Anubis with the Zero Shift, but Gurren Lagann def could, with its abilities to use Spiral Energy to warp and teleport, and basically defy and flat-out break the laws of physics whenever things get hype.
Let me join the discussion. An OF uses Metatron, so it's physical attacks would easily destroy any gundam, and Gundam's physicals attacks wouldn't have much value at all. Besides, OFs have much more mobility, they could easily dodge gundam's attack or create a shield, and OFs energy attacks would, too, easily wipe out gundams. So "realisticly" speaking, OFs win.
This is my favorite Theme in the ZOE games. It's nothing short of epic, I've been looking for this theme for a long time, thank you for uploading it :)
Nice discussion about OF vs Gundams. I think there was, maybe, a contest going by the ZoE1 depiction of OFs. But with the way they were shown in 2? No way, they'd run circles around and destroy even the best gundams. They're basically Power+Speed, and Anubis and Jehuty are obscene representatives of their mech class.
Dark History Turn-A is on par with an orbital frame. The only other machine that comes close is the Quan[T]. Full power Turn-A can bend light around it, teleport it's beam weaponry, regenerate from damage, and the full output of the Moonlight Butterfly has enough range that it could hit Jupiter from Earth. It'd be an interesting match up against OFs.
I'm actually very interested in this idea, albeit 4 years late from the OP. How does one even begin to deal with the ridiculous power of Anubis's vector traps? I feel like its depiction the video games was heavily limited by the gameplay mechanics, given the already huge VT potential shown by more meager frames like Idolo. Anubis has SIX dedicated VT generators strapped to its back. The amount of kinetic and radiant energy it can capture and redirect at will has to be downright silly.
@Damama Seriously now? Because now you realize Turn A actually can't fight toe-to-toe with Anubis, you have to resort to buster attacks from lightyears away? That's not really a testament of its combat abilities and would be more reserved for battalion strikes. Anubis' warping abilities were wholly based on a mechanism that allows for planetary travel. It pretty much can get to Turn A before that thing is fired
@Damama It's been shown that Nohman can operate a Frame efficiently whether or not he's in batshit insane mode. Also, Metatron is a mineral conscience. What makes you think he will be attacking Nohman when he might be up against Anubis itself
@Damama There is no guarantee that Turn A's ability would actually turn Metatron into dust, so that point may be void. Teleporting shouldn't be an issue as Jehuty and Anubis have Zero shift.
@Damama The reason why I said this debate is old is because it's been brought up in various mecha forums before. Been there, done that. When it comes to the teleporting, it still wouldn't work, 'cuz the Turn A actually teleports its own items and beams based on the radius of the Moonlight Butterfly and manipulation of surrounding Minovsky Particles. No nanomachines or particles inside the Vector Trap barrier means no cheap teleporting. It's that simple.
@Damama This debate is actually pretty old. I'd have ignored it completely if I didn't visit this video often to listen to this awesome theme, but it's gone on for months. Truth is, the Turn A and Anubis are actually pretty evenly matched; it would all depend on the pilots. Metatron's speciality is the ability to bend and compress space, thereby affecting everything that occupies space; including nanomachines and air. So Turn A can't cheapshot Anubis with the Moonlight Butterfly.
@Damama how you ask? Simple. Its ANUBIS. The OF that single handily can end wars. A Runner thats brand new to using Anubis can NOT be touched. IF it wasn't for the mental deterioration that comes with flying that power-house, Anubis would be unstoppable. So Anubis's only weakness? Time That is when fighting a Gundam. That and the wings wont do jack to Anubis due to having Vector traps in its wings, The Runner will just redirect the attack back at the Gundam.
@Damama It might as well focus on just recovering due to Anubis's battle capacities. Actually, I just saw a couple of battles featuring Turn A. Doesn't appear to feature much of all that warping you've been hyping up, plus it needs to be in a stance and gather energy in order to do it whereas Anubis does it in an instant. I also read up that the regeneration ability, turns out it isn't actually a canon ability. You may want to look up Anubis's fights. In fact, I'll link you to some
@Damama The anime Dolores i shows that Anubis can utilize vector traps as an offensive weapon to capture foreign items in compressed space and send them right back at the user. In addition, Metatron is wholly focused on bending the very fabric of space around it; I don't think 'teleporting a beam into the cockpit' is going to do you any good than mildly amuse the Runner.
@Damama That's because Jehuty's blade and body has a great concentration of Metatron laced in its construction. In canon (i.e. story mode), Anubis was untouchable by ranged attacks (except by Naked Jehuty if you use him, but he instantkills everything anyways). The SSA (Self Sustaining Armor) of OFs are also laced with Metatron, so they actually have a passive space manipulating quality that allows them to bypass these passive barriers at melee range. That's all there is to it.
In story mode, Anubis was equivalent to Jehuty ver 2. It was stated repeatedly stated that Anubis had the zero shift upgrade from the start while Jehuty never received it. Once Jehuty was upgraded with zero shift, it was also stated the winner between both frames would be decided by the pilots skill.
@Damama It really doesn't matter about the nanomachines. if that's so, then why doesn't Turn A dissolve itself? What makes metatron special is it uses the specialties of vacuum and redirection, so the nanomachines may not even reach OF, (once tech for metatron improves enough)
@homey113 I think a more interesting debate would be a battle between any pilot of any era pitted against an OF like Idolo. It didn't have the same concentration of metatron but it lacked a significant AI to control the effects of exposing a pilot to the frame for extended periods of time. It rendered its own pilot incapacitated and went batsh*t crazy with a brutal mastery of its own power. I've often wondered what a frame like Anubis could accomplish without a pilot holding it back.
@Damama Orbital Frames are capable of atmospheric entry as well as being able to operate in space just fine. Turn A is not going to fire that "laser from Mars" as Anubis can simply warp to it. Metatron is of a mineral conscience. Even if Kamille were somehow able to 'see the attacks' coming, who do you think whose 'mind' is he actually reading? He has to deal with a mech who manipulates all aspects of space at a whim. He not only has to deal with Anubis' attacks, but potentially his own
@Damama I'm not lashing at you. You keep outright stating "Lol, Turn A can't be beaten cause he regenerates" That's not a good enough reason. Melona from Queen's Blade, a slime girl with abilities toppling over various characters and is essentially immortal because of her regenerative abilities, and yet she keeps losing. Counting on a regenerative factor in the heat of battle practically leaves you helpless because you'll be spending too much time recovering than defending or attacking
Orbital frames are on a much higher technological age. A robot supporting life to a human? Not even Gundam 00 is on the same technological level as Orbital Frames. And they use different Propultion Methods! But I do have to say my heart is with gundams because their bad-ass, simple mechs. Preferably Zeon Models. I loves those Mono-eyes.
@Damama You appear to be counting on Turn A's success solely by the fact it regenerates, rather than its combat abilities, plus it's regenerative abilities aren't even instanteous and it takes up time.So yeah, Anubis can, in fact, destroy it while it's in the process of recovering, constantly blasting and battering away at it before even a modicum of it can recover to fight back.
@Damama You can't take advantage of Nohman's ego, dude. Even in his nihilistic state, he remains cool and collected. Yes, he is arrogant and self-confident, but he doesn't gloat about it or blurt about how superior he is. He's far removed from the anime villain stereotype. When he wants something done, he gets it done. If he wants you dead, you will die. You only really need to take one look at him; you wouldn't stand staring him in the face for about five seconds.
@Damama This was never about pilots up until you needed to bring something up to try and support your argument for Turn A, no less using a pilot that isn't even in anyway affiliated from the series where said Gundam originates from. You might have had a point IF this was Frame Vs. Frame.
The first two times you have to fight Anubis, the best you could do is minimize the damage by constantly dashing and homing lasers in order to counter his instant burst. Even still his Zero Shift Dash keeps you on your toes. And in the second fight you have to be careful of his own lasers. So imagine having to fight him with no shield, no guns, only 1 subweapon, and no homing lasers!
Look I don't know where the comparison between OF and Gundams came into this post but let's just leave them out pls. This song is a great piece to. It brought back memories of when I first fought Anubis,and getting owned badly. He's not that hard to beat once you figure out the pattern. I just like the fact that Anubis is one of those bosses that will be remembered because of it's entrance before you fight it.
I tried to do that once, on the boss battles where it is physically possible to defeat him. Hot dam, I felt like a snail whenever anubis kicked into zero-shift. In boss fights where it's impossible to beat him, you can land one or two strikes on him, but that's it. I took a ton of damage and then the cutscene would always come on.
@kaihedgie that and it doesnt focus on recovering instead of attacking or defending the nanomachines do it while the pilot fights. The fact that turn a can teleport is also due to the nanomachines. given that they take up the space of light years it would be hard to escape a enemy that can attack where ever you are regardless of where you are and you would never see them. thats just the kind of enemy anubis is up against
@kaihedgie that and turn-a's abilitiy to cloak (lol dont know how) along with kamilie being the strongest newtype would result in a invisible psycho attack that crushs the will to fight of most anyone even other powerful newtypes
@gamersbestfriend even with zero shift turn a gundam cant be destoryed because it can regenerate any part that gets damaged or lost with the nanomachines that make up its wings. its wings are also capable of extending for a near infinite amount making escaping them almost impossible. Given that the wings automatically destory anything inorganic or not living anubis would have to combat turn a from a distance greater then from earth to mars. lets disregard the colony laser and teleportation tho
well it highly depends on which generation of gundam ur talking about if you take the moonlight butterfly from turn a gundam or any new type gundam/pilot configuration i believe they could put up a adequate match against a OF turn a gundams kinda cheating tho since it has he ability to destory anything unorganic and its wings can reach from earth to mars but thats 1 among many of its special abilities Z gundam would be a fair match against any OF without cheating
@kaihedgie that and turn-a is capable of detaching the core so it can fight while the pilot/core is elsewhere im not completely sure how big this distance is but ill assume its the span of its moonlight butterfly wings.
i remember having the demo it ended with losing to this fight played it so many times that eventually i was able to crash my playstation by winning :( then when i got the full game they changed it to make you autolose after an amount of damage still the best game ever made
@KiraXBara456 i supposed that turn a doesnt dissolve itself because its programed to im not sure. But unless anubis filters everything he comes into contact including air i dont think its possible to filter out the nanomachines... Its like your trying to filter something that cant even be seen by the naked eye. That and its not like you can escape them in the first place so i figured that metatron would also be vulnerable to them unless it doesn't exist in this dimension or something.
@Damama And even if we ignore all that kamile himself is a newtype so unless the pilot of anubis is also a newtype i dont think he would be able to remain emotionally stable through kamiles mental assault.
I think Aumaan Anubis is just there so Naked Jehuty can have something to fight in VS. Cuz try fighting NJ with something like Vic Viper and you'll quickly realize they were never meant to fight each other. AAnubis is the only Orbital Frame that can take a hit from NJ and still live to keep fighting.
@kaihedgie if you want me to focus on its combat prowess then lets put kamille in the cockpit he would be able to see all the attacks coming before they hit and he would probably be able to reduce the runner into a crying mess before they even started. But what do i really need to say about turn a its combat is firing its beam gun and moonlight butterfly which would destory anubis before he would be able to touch turn it. Or turn a could simply teleport to mars and destory it from there
@HarrierRayex i wouldn't really call it a cheapshot if they are fighting for survival. If you wanna talk about cheap turn A could just teleport its shield and core unit into anubis and activate moonlight butterfly. It would surpass the vector traps and allow moonlight butterfly to be used on Anubis.
@Damama First off, I did respond to the Moonlight Butterfly Second, why do I need to respond to Newtype powers; this debate is about machines, not the pilots behind them
@KiraXBara456 as long as metatron isnt organic then yes i suppose it would and im talking about lightyear teleporting to an unknown location. Im just wondering how OFs would fight something in some corner of the solar system without knowing where it is?
@kaihedgie even assuming that how would anubis even go about destorying turn a considering it is impossible to in the first place. given that turn a can regenerate any part and even if completely obliterated turn a would come back. the battle would simply turn into one of attrition one that turn a is capable of winning. Even considering all that how would anubis counter the fact that its being degraded to the point itd be nothing within 30 seconds?
@kaihedgie im not sure how long anubis would last but if turn-a teleported a couple planets away and just shot its colony laser as anubis from any direction possible while simultaneously destorying it with moonlight butterfly it wouldn't be able to last. That and its impossible to destory turn-a completely ud need to destroy every nanomachine from turn-a to anubis which could possibly be the distance of earth to mars which i dont think anubis can do instantly
@kaihedgie sorry i thought u knew and i thought i told/explained it to u a couple times it is when turn a grows wings made of nano machines that destroy any inorganic matter turning it into sand these wings are the span of the distance from earth to jupiter* (sorry had to fact check myself) and are the basis for most of turna's abilities like the teleporting etc (the nanomachines not moonlight butterfly itself)
@kaihedgie what good are vector traps when the enemy is literally all around you and its supply is almost endless. Unless anubis can destroy a space that literally encompasses light years it can destory turn a
@kaihedgie he simply senses danger directed at him by any living entity so yes he could dodge them and the fact that during this whole fight anubis is being destroyed by moonlight butterfly. Even if he did manage to destory turn a how does he stop moonlight butterflys nanomachines from destorying him?
@HarrierRayex I always wondered then what didnt stop you from smacking around powered up anubis and cutting him in half? We may never know the answer to this debate since i doubt they will put zoe in super robot wars.
@bkchimera06 So, he has Anubis for playtime and then gets a Wing Zero Orbital Frame for his real fights? Surely Wing Zero Orbital is tougher enough for him. Or perhaps Tallgeese would suit him more, since its so damn big.
Something i'm wondering is what's the name of the song when he first appears in a cutscene. The song where it's sung in whispers sort of. Part of it is in this song at 1:00
@homey113 time is the one thing turn a gundam has seeing as its practically as old as dirt. just wondering tho does anubis vector air automatically or does he have to perceive the attack before redirecting it? cause that is what he would need to do to deflect the moonlight butterfly.
@kaihedgie qouting myself so u know what we are talking about the moonlight butterfly from turn a gundam or any new type gundam/pilot configuration i believe they could put up a adequate match against a OF that started it and i was always taking pilots into account. how is anubis supposed to beat moonlight butterfly still waiting for a answer
Im trying to find jehutys theme, the song that plays when he busts out of that box on callisto and i cant find it anywhere. can someone plz help? just the name of it would be fine.
To be fair Anubis would tear open any gundam that wasn't Turn-A in an instant, and even then, the battle would still be heavilly in Anubis's favor.
Only a guy like Full Frontal could possibly do the job!
It took a little less than 10 years to have a chara at its height xd Or Madara maybe xd
What about God or devil Gundam?
@@XD-sc4ix or the ELS Qan [t] ?
Or at least have that weird Zero System which enables one to lead that far in advance.
Honestly the only Gundam I could think of that could be a threat, is a fully awakened Unicorn Gundam..
And even then, it's only a threat.
2020 boys still waiting for ZOE3.
I hope we get it one day
@@SpinDoctor91 I hope Konami sells the rights to everything to Kojima Studios, and they become Ko-Konami
@@NexusARC I agree and wish and hope! I would love a ZOE 3. Great series of games plus a lot of potential
@@SpinDoctor91 Hey there is an app called the Wave on steam that is about to shut down March 30th and I am doing a show in it for tomorrow, feb 18th at 10pm easter, and I have a huge chunk of the show dedicated to the game for it was what got me into VR and changed my life. I made a dumb joke and I qoute, "Yeah I get VR when Zone of the Enders comes out for it, HUR DE HUR DUR!!!!" Then almost 2-3 days later news came out it was going to be released for VR.
It still feels surreal, and part of me wants to say I am lying to you or myself because why would they re-release it, AND give it a vr mode? Either way I am super happy about it.
That will happen when konami gives away zone of the enders to kojima.
Also hope someone buys the rights of sparkster and goemon from konami to.
THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS FRAME IS SUPREME
+Jonah Adkins *Grab* Useless...! *Throw!*
Dingo that's a pleasure to see you again
In our present condition, you cannot defeat Anubis.
That depend of the skill of the runner
_Shows Leo In ZoE 1 scoring a lucky hit that takes 40-50% of Anubis' health._
@@lordumbralwolf that’s a fact, you could beat him the first encounter if the game allowed it and were skilled enough
These unwinnable battles with Anubis in ZOE2 were my favourite moments in the series.
Wish we got this song for the final battle against Anubus and compressed space battle.
Yeah, the final battles with Anubis were kind of odd in that none of them felt quite as satisfying as you'd think they should. The space battle would have benefitted from this theme (or a more fleshed out climatic version of it, over the generic one it actually had) and any sense that you were properly fighting for keeps in this stage of the battle.
@Damama Also be aware that on planets, Orbital Frames have the aerial advantage: they spend 99 percent of the time hovering deftly in the air without expense of energy at all. There's kind of a reason why they have 'Orbital' in the name
It's because Anubis is the only Frame with Zero Shift. That alone makes him a hard target and acts as his "Dash" move. I think it's a balancing thing but really means jack when Naked Jehuty is available.
Love the mech design in the game
This theme is so pimp
@Matsuba83 The only thing an OF can have a hard time beating is Guren Lagaan, but then again, if you remember Dolores I, the pilot's soul gets absorbed into the OF upon death, thus making it him/her immortal. So with enough time and patience, an OF might be able to beat a guren lagaan.
Ah yes...I remember getting owned by Anubis' insane Burst attack and those red zigzag lasers on my first playthrough...good times. XD
one of the most epic boss fight themes ever to grace gaming.
@Damama Just so you know, Orbital Frames are actually capable of self-repair and Auuman Anubis can repair on the fly.
It really doesn't matter if the machine can repair itself in the long run since Metatron is pretty much a limitless energy, it can continue to pound on the thing until there's nothing left
2023. Maybe Kojima will buy the rights to the ZOE franchise from Douchenami. Also, idk if Burning Gundam could match Anubis with the Zero Shift, but Gurren Lagann def could, with its abilities to use Spiral Energy to warp and teleport, and basically defy and flat-out break the laws of physics whenever things get hype.
Whenever I think of "badass villain mech" the first thing that comes to my mind is Anubis.
Let me join the discussion.
An OF uses Metatron, so it's physical attacks would easily destroy any gundam, and Gundam's physicals attacks wouldn't have much value at all.
Besides, OFs have much more mobility, they could easily dodge gundam's attack or create a shield, and OFs energy attacks would, too, easily wipe out gundams.
So "realisticly" speaking, OFs win.
This is my favorite Theme in the ZOE games. It's nothing short of epic, I've been looking for this theme for a long time, thank you for uploading it :)
Nice discussion about OF vs Gundams.
I think there was, maybe, a contest going by the ZoE1 depiction of OFs. But with the way they were shown in 2? No way, they'd run circles around and destroy even the best gundams. They're basically Power+Speed, and Anubis and Jehuty are obscene representatives of their mech class.
Dark History Turn-A is on par with an orbital frame. The only other machine that comes close is the Quan[T].
Full power Turn-A can bend light around it, teleport it's beam weaponry, regenerate from damage, and the full output of the Moonlight Butterfly has enough range that it could hit Jupiter from Earth. It'd be an interesting match up against OFs.
there´s no gundam capable of wiping out the universe, the real robot capable of this is IDEON
4th/5th gen CB gundams can probably put up a good fight
I'm actually very interested in this idea, albeit 4 years late from the OP. How does one even begin to deal with the ridiculous power of Anubis's vector traps? I feel like its depiction the video games was heavily limited by the gameplay mechanics, given the already huge VT potential shown by more meager frames like Idolo. Anubis has SIX dedicated VT generators strapped to its back. The amount of kinetic and radiant energy it can capture and redirect at will has to be downright silly.
Nah they're basically on point with a lot of later UC suits and most of the alternate timeline suits like the 00 stuff.
"Who's the runner?"
It reminds me.....
Still sends chills down my spine
@Damama Seriously now?
Because now you realize Turn A actually can't fight toe-to-toe with Anubis, you have to resort to buster attacks from lightyears away? That's not really a testament of its combat abilities and would be more reserved for battalion strikes. Anubis' warping abilities were wholly based on a mechanism that allows for planetary travel. It pretty much can get to Turn A before that thing is fired
@Damama It's been shown that Nohman can operate a Frame efficiently whether or not he's in batshit insane mode.
Also, Metatron is a mineral conscience. What makes you think he will be attacking Nohman when he might be up against Anubis itself
@Damama
There is no guarantee that Turn A's ability would actually turn Metatron into dust, so that point may be void.
Teleporting shouldn't be an issue as Jehuty and Anubis have Zero shift.
2023 still waiting for zoe3.
@Damama The reason why I said this debate is old is because it's been brought up in various mecha forums before. Been there, done that.
When it comes to the teleporting, it still wouldn't work, 'cuz the Turn A actually teleports its own items and beams based on the radius of the Moonlight Butterfly and manipulation of surrounding Minovsky Particles. No nanomachines or particles inside the Vector Trap barrier means no cheap teleporting. It's that simple.
@Damama This debate is actually pretty old. I'd have ignored it completely if I didn't visit this video often to listen to this awesome theme, but it's gone on for months.
Truth is, the Turn A and Anubis are actually pretty evenly matched; it would all depend on the pilots. Metatron's speciality is the ability to bend and compress space, thereby affecting everything that occupies space; including nanomachines and air. So Turn A can't cheapshot Anubis with the Moonlight Butterfly.
@Damama how you ask?
Simple.
Its ANUBIS.
The OF that single handily can end wars.
A Runner thats brand new to using Anubis can NOT be touched. IF it wasn't for the mental deterioration that comes with flying that power-house, Anubis would be unstoppable.
So Anubis's only weakness? Time
That is when fighting a Gundam.
That and the wings wont do jack to Anubis due to having Vector traps in its wings, The Runner will just redirect the attack back at the Gundam.
@Damama It might as well focus on just recovering due to Anubis's battle capacities. Actually, I just saw a couple of battles featuring Turn A. Doesn't appear to feature much of all that warping you've been hyping up, plus it needs to be in a stance and gather energy in order to do it whereas Anubis does it in an instant. I also read up that the regeneration ability, turns out it isn't actually a canon ability.
You may want to look up Anubis's fights. In fact, I'll link you to some
@Damama The anime Dolores i shows that Anubis can utilize vector traps as an offensive weapon to capture foreign items in compressed space and send them right back at the user. In addition, Metatron is wholly focused on bending the very fabric of space around it; I don't think 'teleporting a beam into the cockpit' is going to do you any good than mildly amuse the Runner.
Nice "Beyond the Bounds" instrumental.
Dark Instrumental....
Egyptian version. 🤣
Not even close then again this is in a league of its own while having a small hint of the title of zone of the enders 1 in it
this song is amazing!!!!! I love ZOE, always has great songs
COME ON, DINGO!!
I found the link to a site with loads of Z.O.E soundtracks on another vid and there it was. :p, So I decided to post it up on youtube :).
@Damama That's because Jehuty's blade and body has a great concentration of Metatron laced in its construction. In canon (i.e. story mode), Anubis was untouchable by ranged attacks (except by Naked Jehuty if you use him, but he instantkills everything anyways). The SSA (Self Sustaining Armor) of OFs are also laced with Metatron, so they actually have a passive space manipulating quality that allows them to bypass these passive barriers at melee range.
That's all there is to it.
In story mode, Anubis was equivalent to Jehuty ver 2.
It was stated repeatedly stated that Anubis had the zero shift upgrade from the start while Jehuty never received it.
Once Jehuty was upgraded with zero shift, it was also stated the winner between both frames would be decided by the pilots skill.
i got chills the first time he showed up in ZoE2. i remember how badly he kicked my ass in the first game, and i dreaded our next run-in.
@Damama
It really doesn't matter about the nanomachines. if that's so, then why doesn't Turn A dissolve itself?
What makes metatron special is it uses the specialties of vacuum and redirection, so the nanomachines may not even reach OF, (once tech for metatron improves enough)
@homey113 I think a more interesting debate would be a battle between any pilot of any era pitted against an OF like Idolo. It didn't have the same concentration of metatron but it lacked a significant AI to control the effects of exposing a pilot to the frame for extended periods of time. It rendered its own pilot incapacitated and went batsh*t crazy with a brutal mastery of its own power. I've often wondered what a frame like Anubis could accomplish without a pilot holding it back.
@Damama Orbital Frames are capable of atmospheric entry as well as being able to operate in space just fine. Turn A is not going to fire that "laser from Mars" as Anubis can simply warp to it.
Metatron is of a mineral conscience. Even if Kamille were somehow able to 'see the attacks' coming, who do you think whose 'mind' is he actually reading? He has to deal with a mech who manipulates all aspects of space at a whim. He not only has to deal with Anubis' attacks, but potentially his own
@Damama I'm not lashing at you. You keep outright stating "Lol, Turn A can't be beaten cause he regenerates"
That's not a good enough reason. Melona from Queen's Blade, a slime girl with abilities toppling over various characters and is essentially immortal because of her regenerative abilities, and yet she keeps losing. Counting on a regenerative factor in the heat of battle practically leaves you helpless because you'll be spending too much time recovering than defending or attacking
Orbital frames are on a much higher technological age. A robot supporting life to a human? Not even Gundam 00 is on the same technological level as Orbital Frames. And they use different Propultion Methods! But I do have to say my heart is with gundams because their bad-ass, simple mechs. Preferably Zeon Models. I loves those Mono-eyes.
Anubis is so badass that even though he's the main boss in the first game, it's only in the sequel that you can finally beat him.
Has anyone ever tried defeating Anubis without Zero Shift? That'd be badass!
you definitely can beat aumann anubis without it
Break! Break! What will you do, Dingo?
@Damama You appear to be counting on Turn A's success solely by the fact it regenerates, rather than its combat abilities, plus it's regenerative abilities aren't even instanteous and it takes up time.So yeah, Anubis can, in fact, destroy it while it's in the process of recovering, constantly blasting and battering away at it before even a modicum of it can recover to fight back.
@Damama You can't take advantage of Nohman's ego, dude. Even in his nihilistic state, he remains cool and collected. Yes, he is arrogant and self-confident, but he doesn't gloat about it or blurt about how superior he is. He's far removed from the anime villain stereotype. When he wants something done, he gets it done. If he wants you dead, you will die. You only really need to take one look at him; you wouldn't stand staring him in the face for about five seconds.
@Damama This was never about pilots up until you needed to bring something up to try and support your argument for Turn A, no less using a pilot that isn't even in anyway affiliated from the series where said Gundam originates from.
You might have had a point IF this was Frame Vs. Frame.
Nohman:Who's the runner;It reminds me...!
The first two times you have to fight Anubis, the best you could do is minimize the damage by constantly dashing and homing lasers in order to counter his instant burst. Even still his Zero Shift Dash keeps you on your toes. And in the second fight you have to be careful of his own lasers. So imagine having to fight him with no shield, no guns, only 1 subweapon, and no homing lasers!
@Damama Forgot about Anubis' vector traps already and its space-bending fields? Might not even need to bother with that with the use of its Burst shot
Look I don't know where the comparison between OF and Gundams came into this post but let's just leave them out pls. This song is a great piece to. It brought back memories of when I first fought Anubis,and getting owned badly. He's not that hard to beat once you figure out the pattern. I just like the fact that Anubis is one of those bosses that will be remembered because of it's entrance before you fight it.
I tried to do that once, on the boss battles where it is physically possible to defeat him. Hot dam, I felt like a snail whenever anubis kicked into zero-shift.
In boss fights where it's impossible to beat him, you can land one or two strikes on him, but that's it. I took a ton of damage and then the cutscene would always come on.
At this point, we have 00 Raiser and to be completely honest I can't even attempt to guess which would win because they are so evenly matched.
@kaihedgie
that and it doesnt focus on recovering instead of attacking or defending the nanomachines do it while the pilot fights. The fact that turn a can teleport is also due to the nanomachines. given that they take up the space of light years it would be hard to escape a enemy that can attack where ever you are regardless of where you are and you would never see them. thats just the kind of enemy anubis is up against
Wow, I've been wanting this song for so fucking long. You could never get it on the OST and I couldn't find it ANYWHERE
The fight of energy
Interesting how they managed to sneak Beyond the Bounds into this one.
@kaihedgie
that and turn-a's abilitiy to cloak (lol dont know how) along with kamilie being the strongest newtype would result in a invisible psycho attack that crushs the will to fight of most anyone even other powerful newtypes
@gamersbestfriend
even with zero shift turn a gundam cant be destoryed because it can regenerate any part that gets damaged or lost with the nanomachines that make up its wings. its wings are also capable of extending for a near infinite amount making escaping them almost impossible. Given that the wings automatically destory anything inorganic or not living anubis would have to combat turn a from a distance greater then from earth to mars.
lets disregard the colony laser and teleportation tho
well it highly depends on which generation of gundam ur talking about if you take the moonlight butterfly from turn a gundam or any new type gundam/pilot configuration i believe they could put up a adequate match against a OF
turn a gundams kinda cheating tho since it has he ability to destory anything unorganic and its wings can reach from earth to mars but thats 1 among many of its special abilities
Z gundam would be a fair match against any OF without cheating
I remember you
It's dingoooo
@kaihedgie
that and turn-a is capable of detaching the core so it can fight while the pilot/core is elsewhere im not completely sure how big this distance is but ill assume its the span of its moonlight butterfly wings.
"DAMN ITS TO TOUGH!
i remember having the demo
it ended with losing to this fight
played it so many times that eventually i was able to crash my playstation by winning
:( then when i got the full game they changed it to make you autolose after an amount of damage
still the best game ever made
@KiraXBara456
i supposed that turn a doesnt dissolve itself because its programed to im not sure. But unless anubis filters everything he comes into contact including air i dont think its possible to filter out the nanomachines... Its like your trying to filter something that cant even be seen by the naked eye. That and its not like you can escape them in the first place so i figured that metatron would also be vulnerable to them unless it doesn't exist in this dimension or something.
OF = better movement both land and space.
Gundam = An arsenal of weapons.
EVA's = Berserker modes
Nightmare Frames = Flexibility and Durability
Very awesome song and go Anubis!!!
@Damama Orbital Frames can detect the distortions in space; cloaking will not work.
I know it's been a month, but they meant the song from his first appearance in ZOE 2, not the battle song from ZOE 1.
@Damama
And even if we ignore all that kamile himself is a newtype so unless the pilot of anubis is also a newtype i dont think he would be able to remain emotionally stable through kamiles mental assault.
anyone notice anubis is very underwhelming in vs? it feel like they cut down anubis speed by 15 to 20%
I think Aumaan Anubis is just there so Naked Jehuty can have something to fight in VS.
Cuz try fighting NJ with something like Vic Viper and you'll quickly realize they were never meant to fight each other.
AAnubis is the only Orbital Frame that can take a hit from NJ and still live to keep fighting.
Im afraid Ive lost the link to the site, also I cant find the other vid on youtube where I first got it from :/.
i can never come to a decision of which frame was better anubis or jehuty
@youtubamigo you can say as much as you want about gumndam vs orbital frame.....
i just say auuman anubis or zero shift jehuty^^
nothing more to say;)
why is there no extended version of this ?
@kaihedgie
if you want me to focus on its combat prowess then lets put kamille in the cockpit he would be able to see all the attacks coming before they hit and he would probably be able to reduce the runner into a crying mess before they even started. But what do i really need to say about turn a its combat is firing its beam gun and moonlight butterfly which would destory anubis before he would be able to touch turn it. Or turn a could simply teleport to mars and destory it from there
@HarrierRayex
i wouldn't really call it a cheapshot if they are fighting for survival. If you wanna talk about cheap turn A could just teleport its shield and core unit into anubis and activate moonlight butterfly. It would surpass the vector traps and allow moonlight butterfly to be used on Anubis.
@Damama First off, I did respond to the Moonlight Butterfly
Second, why do I need to respond to Newtype powers; this debate is about machines, not the pilots behind them
@p1258z Are you serious? With that much speed, an orbital frame can completely pulverize a Gundam mobile suit before it can do anything....
Sounds like Paranoia Agent music
You're wrong.
Ari Kunimitsu This song reminds me of moments when Lil Slugger strikes
@KiraXBara456
as long as metatron isnt organic then yes i suppose it would and im talking about lightyear teleporting to an unknown location. Im just wondering how OFs would fight something in some corner of the solar system without knowing where it is?
@Damama lol
orbitalframes are not just robots
they arentz affected by such attacks like some wings^^
@kaihedgie
even assuming that how would anubis even go about destorying turn a considering it is impossible to in the first place. given that turn a can regenerate any part and even if completely obliterated turn a would come back. the battle would simply turn into one of attrition one that turn a is capable of winning. Even considering all that how would anubis counter the fact that its being degraded to the point itd be nothing within 30 seconds?
@kaihedgie
im not sure how long anubis would last but if turn-a teleported a couple planets away and just shot its colony laser as anubis from any direction possible while simultaneously destorying it with moonlight butterfly it wouldn't be able to last. That and its impossible to destory turn-a completely ud need to destroy every nanomachine from turn-a to anubis which could possibly be the distance of earth to mars which i dont think anubis can do instantly
i know you its dingo!
This Aura I'm Remember you ah Nohman it is DINGO
@kaihedgie
sorry i thought u knew and i thought i told/explained it to u a couple times
it is when turn a grows wings made of nano machines that destroy any inorganic matter turning it into sand these wings are the span of the distance from earth to jupiter* (sorry had to fact check myself) and are the basis for most of turna's abilities like the teleporting etc (the nanomachines not moonlight butterfly itself)
@kaihedgie
what good are vector traps when the enemy is literally all around you and its supply is almost endless. Unless anubis can destroy a space that literally encompasses light years it can destory turn a
@kaihedgie
he simply senses danger directed at him by any living entity so yes he could dodge them and the fact that during this whole fight anubis is being destroyed by moonlight butterfly. Even if he did manage to destory turn a how does he stop moonlight butterflys nanomachines from destorying him?
@Damama far as i know its a turn on/off thing.
Never used in game due to the lack of missles
@HarrierRayex
I always wondered then what didnt stop you from smacking around powered up anubis and cutting him in half?
We may never know the answer to this debate since i doubt they will put zoe in super robot wars.
@bkchimera06 So, he has Anubis for playtime and then gets a Wing Zero Orbital Frame for his real fights? Surely Wing Zero Orbital is tougher enough for him. Or perhaps Tallgeese would suit him more, since its so damn big.
realisticly gundam won't stand a chance agaist a single homing laser brust from neither anubis nor jethuty.
Dont take it too likely...Anubis is to epic for a random boss fight
Something i'm wondering is what's the name of the song when he first appears in a cutscene. The song where it's sung in whispers sort of. Part of it is in this song at 1:00
Fake Aumaan
@homey113
time is the one thing turn a gundam has seeing as its practically as old as dirt. just wondering tho does anubis vector air automatically or does he have to perceive the attack before redirecting it? cause that is what he would need to do to deflect the moonlight butterfly.
@kaihedgie qouting myself so u know what we are talking about
the moonlight butterfly from turn a gundam or any new type gundam/pilot configuration i believe they could put up a adequate match against a OF
that started it and i was always taking pilots into account.
how is anubis supposed to beat moonlight butterfly still waiting for a answer
@NANOFORGE Im happy I still have my Z.O.E2. You know how much those run for even tho there so old? 45-70 dollars.
Im trying to find jehutys theme, the song that plays when he busts out of that box on callisto and i cant find it anywhere. can someone plz help? just the name of it would be fine.
Anubis Vs Wing Zero that is my dream match.
ARE YOU AFRAID OF ME?
COME ON OR IT IS MY TURN?