Norman History and Knights
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- We discuss how Vikings founded the Duchy of Normandy which came to rule England and developed a cavalry force known across Europe. The Normans and their Knights will be an invasion force that appears in the late game of Total War Sage: Thrones of Britannia.
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Documentary Credits:
Research: Invicta
Script: Invicta
Artwork: Osprey Publishing
Game: Total War Saga: Thrones of Britannia
Editing: Invicta
Music: Dreamnote Music
Literary Sources
-Viking Hersir 793-1066 AD by Mark Harrison (Osprey Publishing)
-Saxon, Viking and Norman by Terence Wise (Osprey Publishing)
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I produced a quick history video on the Normans which make an appearance as a late game invading force in Thrones of Britannia. While not playable on the campaign you can command them in multiplayer. Hope you all didn't mind the more informal approach as I was pressed for time and couldn't develop a fully researched and developed script. Nonetheless this sort of format may be useful for making quick one off videos on the fly in the future so let me know if its something you enjoyed. Also please consider backing my Patreon with a buck or two as it really helps: www.patreon.com/InvictaHistory
Invicta Early Medieval British Isles is a treasure trove of potential content. Personally it's my favorite area of history. Please keep doing Thrones of Brittania-inspired videos like these, and I say don't be afraid to go beyond pure military history in favor of more sociopolitical or cultural topics. These factions are very very different afterall, and it can help communicate to people playing Thrones of Brittania that they aren't just different regions on the map or different units in battle.
Great video, what software do you use to make them?
that map of europ is so inacurate i have to give u a dislake for such a bad choice!
This one was done using PowerDirector its a mid tier video editor with simple but easy to use effects. For my higher production value videos I use Adobe AfterEffects
No norman campaign? :(
Interesting fact: the Frakinsh kingdoms needed a way to quickly react to Viking raids, so they started to employ massive amounts of cavalry, hence, the strong French cavalry tradition.
Acid Trip not true at all. The Vikings were not even a real threat, but more of a nuisance to the Franks. It was the Avars and later the Magyars who posed a real threat to them and the reason they developed a stronger cavalry. You can't fight horse archers and lancers with infantry.
@@decem_sagittae you are partly true :
- Avars were a threats but well before viking's raids age as Charlemagne led a successful campaign to destroy their kingdom.
- Magyar were a bigger threat, but essentially toward eastern franks, a separate kingdom after 845. Viking raided essentially the western kingdom (whose seacoast was much longer).
- countering ummayads raids and attacks was also a factor here.
@@decem_sagittae "you cant fight horse archers and lancers with infantry"
swiss pikemen and English Longbowmen: hold our beers
Alexander Probably the most uneducated comment in the thread. “Not a threat” yeah they just would give away part of their country to someone who’s not a threat lmfao.
Andrew Francisco Hughes English longbow men lol. More like stakes, mud, high ground ,guerrilla warfare, and more mud.
I'm from Sicily and moved to Denmark. I guess it was a call from my Viking Mother Land, LOL
Velkommen hjem;)
Watch true romance 😉😂✌️
Not until you go there with proper Norman Armours and the Banners of the Hautevilles
How is it?
Hey I just reached the same conclusion I'm Sicilian. it's said my family were norman knights I'm planning to visit.
The reason the Normans got cavalry is because the French had cavalry already. Vikings did not supplant the original Normans. Yes there was a migration but the vast majority of the population remained French. A knightly tradition was already present for the Norse nobility to adopt.
Historians,around the world disagree with you: plus.google.com/112864547723925272788/posts/idTB6fbaHpi
Cavalry is old, very old, the Romans had cavalry and even Celtic tribes had cavalry.
What I meant was that People have to stop thinking that the Norse completely supplanted the French in Normandy. They didn't have to "quickly adopt" French cavalry traditions because the majority of inhabitants of Normandy continued to be the same people who lived there before Rollo arrived. I know full well that cavalry has existed for millennia I'm just arguing again'st the video's point that the viking settlers got rid of everyone and then settled on a blank slate. This isn't a question of their own identity, it's the problem of people today assuming that the original inhabitants of the area disappeared just like how some people assume the Romano-Britons vanished when the Anglo-Saxons came to England.
Nowhere in this video does it say that the vikings got rid of everyone and settled on a blank slate.
cav was invented a LOONG time ago by the Iranian people in the Russian steps which is why horse archery was a big tradition in that region or in places were the immigrated to, Persians,Sakas,Huns,Mongols,Turks and even Chinese continued to use cav till the invention of gun powder.
I love that you have two comments telling you that the french did not invent cavalry. No where did you even imply that.
Thanks for sharing this. I recently found out that I've descended from Normans. I originally thought I was part Irish, then I found out I'm part French, British, Irish, and even Finnish. And that my mother's maiden name, Lynch, is from a Hiberno-Norman family in Galway, Ireland. So I like this very much. Thanks again!
The transition from wiking raider to norman knight/normand heavy cavalry happened as the wikings adapted frankish (aka "french") customs including the use of heavy cavalry and fortfying conquered occupied territory with castles .
What you forgot to talk about is the fact that the rulers were from vikings descent, but most of their army was composed of "ethnic" french from normandy, that's how they adapted so fast their military ( cavalry etc...)
he said that at the beginning
Yeah and that would be helpful today for the "réimmigration prioritaire" ;)
lost me when you said from ''vikings descent'' as vikings was more or less a job then a people..
Doubtful. I lived in Normandy for a short while and the people there to this day look significantly different to those in the rest of France. Lots of blondes. It's pretty similar to how the English in many of the Northern counties look significantly different to those of the Southern. Obviously there has been a fair amount of mixing over the years, but even today you can see that the people there have a lot of Nordic in them, and as such I would imagine that the vast majority of them back then were of Viking descent.
`There are a fair bit of blondes in France as well. The Franks themselves were originally a Germanic tribe. The Normans mixed very fast in the local population.
its crazy that i know about a lot of this history from playing games like crusader kings. it peaked my interest and i cant get enough. love learning about this time period!
NOTE: Normandy is NOT a playable faction in in the campaign. :(
Mcface Give modders time, I'm sure we'll see them playable in some form soon.
I bet its dlc
Because Normandy itself is not on the game map. They invade kind of like the Mongols in MTW 2
Mcface just play medieval II Total War
aint no Normans in MTW 2, only the kingdom of France
Haven't begun the video yet, but that is so cool how you re-crated a scene from the bayeux tapestry with total war assets :)
Yep love the format great video
This video is perfectly timed! Reading Jack Ludlow’s “Warriors” right now, awesome video man.
More Norman history please! I LOVE this period of history :D
I started writing out about their inheritance practices and then you got to it! Really comes out as one of their key sources of strength driving both their stability and their expansionism.
although I did not get it 100% right since a lot of people have pointed out that younger sons could in fact inherit but only what the father had gained through conquest I believe
Fantastic video, Love the format
Wow! Normans are awesome! Thank you for the video!
I love this format!!! Please do more videos like this. Cheers from canada
Really, really great job! I really enjoyed this and learned some great nuggets. Researching my Lownd(e)s family from England who purportedly were originally William the Conquerer Normans. Head buried in books on subject but this was a great summary. Very interesting. Please do more!
Liked it. Lots of good tidbits of knowledge in there. Keep up the casual short ones.
Awesome, video. I'm a history teacher and a avid gamer. I love the your use of total war games, and historical maps. Wish I had the time and aptitude to make videos like these. I'm definitely going to be using it in my classroom.
I have been subscribed for about a year and a half. I did not subscribe for historical videos, but i must admit they are my favorites. Please keep them coming!
well glad you enjoy, I've actually moved the bulk of my gaming content over to the 2nd channel if you are interested
I love the Normans! Great video! Also from what I understand due to the number of unlanded Norman sons who have too much martial prowress and not enough to do they got into trouble. The Crusades were a perfect answer as it provided a chance for glory, gold, land and an outlet for these unlanded fighting men. I might be wrong on this but it sounds right.
great vid thanks keep em coming
love the format
This was a super awesome video!
So concise yet detailed
That was very informative for such a short video, well done.
and at least 75% inaccurate !!!
You are by far the best Historical sight on youtube. No Propaganda. Brilliant work sir.
loved it
Thx for sharing love your vids
Neat one! Wouldn't mind more of these!
This was an awesome video bro. 👍
So I'm studying history for my GCSEs and even though this isn't directly or at all related to the Edexcel spec, it was really useful. Thank you.
Very nice work !
Keep doing videos like this, even start talking about other civilizations and cultures!
I quote Cambridge Medieval History: By the end of the reign of Richard I (year 996) the descendants of the original Norse settlers had become not only Christians but in all essentials Frenchmen. They had adopted the French language, French legal ideas, and French social customs, and had practically become merged with the Frankish orGallic population among whom they lived. (…)
That's not fully true, they were still special in of themselves.
what do you mean? Of course, all regions have different culture if you look at normandy, bretagne, langeudoc, toulouse, they are all french but have regional difference in culture, but it's the same for regions in England and Britain, or in Sweden where I live, But the biggest problem is that english people tend to have francophobia and they do not like the idea or accept the fact that not only where England invaded but also conquered by the french in 1066 with a big cultural impact that is present even today.
french language was not really existing at that time
@@Narjoso by a man that had viking ancestors
@@JJtoutcourt well, it was a very base version of (old) French, but apparently, the Norman's merged Norse and that old French, to have their own dialect. Which, in turn, influenced the Modern english language, which comes from old English (Anglo-Saxon, and probably some Danish) merged with Norman French.
Ye, really like this format as it offers the opportunity to understand certain archetypes that'd present themselves behind the development of various factions throughout history and how they developed in the way they did thanks to the emergent qualities of their culture. :)
Another video added to favorites.
Yes - make more of these
Very good
This is awesome! subbed
Very interesting. I love the history of the Normans.
Very good, thanks!
This was great!
I love the Normans, can't wait for this!
simplyuri not a playable faction
@@silliestsususagest3276 Actually, they built the White Tower (Tower of London), carried out the Domesday etc.
Thanks for the videos, these add historical context that I think it's important for us to better understand the history. The NIKA riots was done amazingly. I still share that with folks.
Great video! Can’t wait to play thrones of Britannia
Godamn Norman’s get out of my lands reee
Give back Sicily to the true inheritors of Rome, you filthy Norman Barbarians, REEEE
kek byzaboos get rekt
Hey, how do you make a Venetian Blind? You invite him to the Kommenine Court!
Sicily could not catch a break. You had Greeks, then Romans, Goths, Greeks again, Muslims, Normans, Germans, French, Spanish, French again, then finally back to Italy.
But maaaaaaam (Cartman voice)
I really liked this "casual" format of vid.
Really enjoyed a little back light. Should do this with of the nations
Holy shit dude, you are straight to the point. Extremely educational
Great video
Love your maps.
Well done!
real awesome thank you
Hey Invicta, I'm working on something and these videos really help me out. Haven't gone through all your videos yet but can you also cover the Samurai, Ashigaru, and everything you do?
great stuff - I heard the Norman knights were using stirrups when no one else they fought were. The stirrup gave power to their charge which made them feared throughout Europe.
Not true at all, others used stirrups WAY before the Normans.
This video rocked
More of this, put a bit more detail in it. Like 15m instead of 10 and i would be more than happy to watch all of it. Keep it up Invicta .
This was pretty cool. Have you thought of doing a video on one of the Norman princess that forged one of their own kingdoms in depth? It somewhat correlates with crusaders establishing their own kingdoms.
Im a Normanophile, TELL ME!
One of HER own kingdoms.
Oakley, this free-flowing narration style sounds much better than the usual scripted ones (which is really my only complaint about the series, which is otherwise *superb* ). Try and do that for the next "Moments in History"!
pls do a video about the BYZANTINE ARMY of BASIL II
The blind one?
Very good video.
I give it a 5 out of 5. Keep up the good work.
Love it!
A quick note:
Not sure about the normans specifically, but in general the scandinavian aproach to inheritance was not neccessarily Patrelinear Primogeniture (the practice of having the oldest son always inherit the entire estate), but rather a less law-bound "free" system in which the family patriarch could distribute the inheritance as he wished among his offspring (even amongst "ätteledda" adopted children). It is true that the most common result of this system was that the oldest son was the most likely to gain the whole estate, not in small part due to the dificulty with dividing single-household estates before the medieval "tegskifte" (have no good translation for this, but essentially the large agricultural shift in Europe from single household-farming to village collectives with communal grounds and advanced crop rotation system).
There are several documented cases in which family patriarchs divides his estate, or gives it solely to a woman, even though this was again, pretty uncommon.
I don't exactly know how inheritance worked in Normandy, but I do know that William I adopted primogeniture for England because he divided the English Earldoms into much smaller Norman Shires. England originally used Gavelkind, so all land was split between the sons of its previous owner. However with land being much smaller due to the land reforms Primogeniture (specifically male) was adopted so that land wouldn't keep splitting and splitting and splitting until 4 sons owned a field each.
Whoa! Awesome video, Invicta! It was really effective in conveying all the necessary knowledge about the Normans and their style of warfare. The only thing I would add is a little bit more depth to what their equipment and tactics were like. But other than that, great video. I hope you get to do more of these in the future. :)
Siegfried. Typically I like to go into way more depth and have more time to prepare a scripted message. This time around however I hadnt planned to do this episode in advance but still wanted to get something out for the Thrones embargo lifting thus the rushed production.
All the same, I'm happy to say you made a great job with this video. Congrats on that! Keep up the good work!
Good one
1:48 is this a part of the bayeux tapistry on the right side? looks like it, I dont remember rollo being mentioned on the actual tapistry, though.
This video explains my ancestry, thank you!
Yes! More Norman's! My ancestor was the cousin to William the conqueror. Also, I have lineage to De Clare family. The start of which was from the illegitimate child of Richard the fearless... just wanted to tel someone lol
LOL yes sure.
Beautiful
I actually can't wait to get this game.
8:00 - This sounds like the plot of a Mount and Blade campaign XD
They actually got normans in bannerlord, theyre called vlandians.
I am a descendant of Rollo aka Rolo the walker and William the Conqueror so thank you greatly for this video about my folk.☺
Long live the Duchy of Apulia held by the Norman family of de Hauteville!
Good Video
I think what would be really nice is more historical explanations of the era surrounding Thrones of Britannia. I know a thing or two about the main conflict between the Saxons and Danes, but know next to nothing about what's going on in Scotland, Ireland, etc.
Normans were a combination of French already there (Normandy) and the Vikings. Their culture and the formidable military reputation reflects both influences. An important fact was that Normans had considerable automomy. My mum was Norman and she would speak of both influences. In 1204 France under Philip II would conquer Normandy and many Normans not already in England went. They essentially became English or French.
Are you from Normandie?
I found this extremely interesting as in doing my Ancestry I have traced it back to Norman’s The color of my family’s shield and sir coat was Green with a white rearing charger (Hoarse). Two of my Grandfathers were at Hastings and survived the Battle, one was given holdings in Wiltshire whilst the other was a sell sword ( mercenary) who later allied with Mary Queen of Scott’s. The Viking that I’m related to was a Eric the Stout. There was also a few things about Eric the Red in the notes. Again thank you.
I got Erik the red people that first settled Iceland the birka shield maiden and the vikings buried at Oxford
keep going dude! these new vids/content are abs killer. Big ups! Can't wait for what instore, always gets me so hyped when another one of these vids are released. Yeeeeeoooow! Esketit!
Very nice
good history
Nice maps!
8:54 a norman noblemen talking to his guidance counselor 😂
Are the Normans a playable faction or just a late game threat like the Huns or Chaos?
Troy Baker would be great to be playable but considering the featured main factions I'd say they would be a DLC of some sort but hopefully I'm wrong :)
They are only playable in multiplayer
and single player custom battle ?
I'm sure there'll be a mod to make them a playable faction in the campaign, unless CA have become even stricter with their modding tools.
Darn I wanted to play as the early knights in history. Its cool though, was disappointed they didn't include northern france in the new campaign map. Like in the show Vikings where Rollo actually became the first great French Viking king, and his heir grew up to conquer and invade Britain.
love the video dude fucking awsome!!
Good summation. A salient point (or two) that wasn't mentioned,... Norse troops and later Anglo Saxons as well, did use horses but only as transport. They were never recorded as having used them offensively in battle. Secondly, the other major shift in tactics was the Norman use of rapid to deploy, pre-built, motte and bailey fortifications. Prior to 1066 most fortifications in Britain were walled towns designed to protect the whole populace, not just a noble and his small retinue of soldiers.
I love you videos and especially the historical ones like this.
I also want to thank you because I'm Norman and it's nice to see more and more people sharing our history because of Thrones of Britannia
But recently I've seen a lot of English-speaking people saying the Normans were either French speaking the Viking language or Vikings speaking French.
Can we agree on the fact most of the Normans were French speaking "Langue d'Oil" (basically the ancestor of French) and not a kind of Nordic language ?
I'm trying to settle a debate I had on several comment sections on YT lol
The Normans are essentially Norse immigrants, but they spoke French. Some of the population were native French but many Normans were directly descended from Norsemen, and a lot of northern France, especially Normandy (but not Brittany) is genetically Germanic to begin with.
As far as I know, the norman nobility had viking ancestors but they spoke norman french, and so did most of the local population, but because of the scandinavian settlers who came to Normandy they had a few loanwords and there probably was a dialect difference between the very frenchified norman rulers, the local populace and the descendants of settlers, although the majority probably spoke norman french like you said.
Hi Norman.
I mean, the Norman leaders were Norsemen but the peasants and most of the population were actually the local French people living here. Guillaume le Conquérant (William the Conqueror as he's named here) was the grand-grand-grand-grandson of Rollo (and a legitimated bastard in addition), and had nothing to share with the Viking culture. He only spoke Langue d'Oil and some Latine like most of the Frankish nobles.
It's very unlikely that the Norman invasion army of 1066 was composed of Vikings speaking French or French speaking Viking
The Neustrie was indeed genetically Germanic at first like any Frankish region ;)
Norse culture did have strong influence though, William was called a bastard because until his father norman lords kept the norse practice of having multiple wives, which is why he was seen as a bastard by outsiders but he could inherit his father's possessions, if the normans kept practising a tradition that was seen as very immoral by their neighbours, maybe they kept doing other things.
More history videos please.
Loved the video, but where did you get the right map at 1:17? It's not really accurate for 843 (it has Flevoland (and the Afsluitdijk) in the Netherlands, which didn't exist until very recently)...
I love your history videos though! They're so much more fun to watch then a lot of documanteries (spelling?).
I just pick up these maps doing quick google searches. Unfortunately they aren't always 100% accurate and that's why in my more in depth documentaries I typically make my own.
Great!
The thing I learned a few years ago was that my family on my father's side actually can be tracked down to the Normans, and most specifically to the ones which went in the conquest of England, they became the Earls of Derby, but they lost the title by raising their banner against the king, they lost that title, then I know of them being nobility in Scotland and moving to Iberia to help with the Reconquest of Iberia, and from there I am not really sure how they reached Mexico, but I actually figured that all out by my last name, they were once upon a time blacksmiths, it is an occupational surname.
It is awesome to be able to track one's family so far back
That's badass! I can trace my ancestry all the way back to the Normans as well. My great ancestor was a knight that helped William conquer England in 1066 and was rewarded the estate of Cothelstone Manor
There's an old saying from that time in french "marin comme un Normand", "as sailer as a Norman", making fun of the fact that Normans adopted and blended so quickly with the uses of their new land that they became poor sailers when their ancestors were those masters of navigation.
Also fun to see the arms of house De Hauteville, kings of Sicilly. They're loosely related to Guillaume le Conquérant. I'm not completely sure but Hollville, my name, is said to be related to those guys, at least their home town.
very interesting
7:50 this was called Odelsretten and didn't really stop until 1926.
Awesome European history lessons!😁👍
What do you use for these animation of the soldiers
Yes! Please do more! :D
Maybe a video about the Germans(HRE).
Good video man! I like it! (Subscribed) This was true in many places all over the known and unknown world at that time . Many Norsemen, Northmen or Normans, aka Vikings earned a living and settled many parts of the world in this manor or by offering their service for money or other riches = mercenaries. Rent an army ;) A Norse Clan/Army were obliged by honour and did serve with their lives, so a Norse army was an effective way of securing your lands and they would in longer terms bring both family and other clansmen and settle for good. So they fought for their families as well, so very effective + they were fantastic craftsmen, so they did bring a workforce as well.
We often have to be careful not to say.: We invented this and we invented that, because it was ALWAYS invented looong before that by someone else in prehistoric times, we see this again and again, but it is not that well know, but it will be. I am working on a series of episodes about prehistoric times that has been a great passion of mine in over 10 years, it will be uploaded to my youtube account and an upcoming website and i will ALWAYS have free content - It is about knowing, not hording ;) I hope to see you at my channel = Dark Revelations ;)
All the best from Denmark ;)
Btw. Many Vikings was born into riding horses, that is where the Icelandic horses come from, they was bred from ponies taken to Iceland by Norse settlers in the 9th and 10th centuries. (But again, they did not use real cavalry as such most places, but horses was important to the Vikings)
The Normans were absolute madlads... What they achieved was crazy.
Something IMPORTANT has been MISSED in this video. Odo of France (Eudes de France) succeeded in resisting Viking attacks (Rollo included) and saving Paris from 885 to 886. This more or less influenced Rollo’s decision to settle in Normandy.