Korone to Mio: "shes probably a sadist that doesnt realize shes one" *flashback to korone-mio asmr where korone drowns trying to make sound from drinking water while mio just laughs*
@@KaoruSugimura Okayu can't gaze into Subaru's eyes even for 3 seconds.【Animated ... TH-cam · HoloNUKINO. EN 02-Aug-2021 Here you go the animated translation. It was a off collab
@@KaoruSugimura Here's a link to a translated clip. th-cam.com/video/zq5VXRPLtms/w-d-xo.html Here's a link to another, newer fanimation by a different animator channel. th-cam.com/video/WyACUSGEE60/w-d-xo.html
Korone being biggest sadist in SMOK makes sense to me. She googled about torture and likes dark stuff and her marathon streams pretty much sleep deprivation torture to all of the koronesukis.
Mio is a hidden S. She tend to act kind and motherly but when with people she really close with (like FAMS, SMOK or tokoMOS), she is quite wild. She drive fire truck carelessly (while Fubuki, Subaru and Towa are panicking), leaving dying Towa alone when searching for items, teasing Subaru very hard, etc.
My favorite thing in this whole video is 3:22 the way Korone says "Okayu!" 😂 she can't come up with an excuse so she gets mad at Okayu for revealing this sensitive information 😂😂
Sees Miosha in number 1. Yup sounds about right. It's super rare but Mio is very brutal sometimes. She once had to go to the store to top up her gacha funds. It was winter. Chat asked for some snacks and she bought us ice cream.
There's a reason why "圧" (pressure) is its own emote in Korone's chat. The way she can suddenly turn on the pressure in an otherwise casual conversation is amazing.
Upon rewatch, I'm kind of surprised that Korone wasn't the obvious #1 to the others. She's like top 3 in all of Hololive. It's one her main traits. Okayu is an SM honestly. She loves bullying too much to not be considered a sadist. Mio's sadism is honestly more just her being a typical mom. She doesn't enjoy it necessarily, she just thinks it's important to say, and she knows the most about the others. Subaru is not really sadistic at all.
It's fascinating, watching this I realized that there's something of a cultural misconception about S vs M behavior in Japan. Everyone seems to be treating it as a sliding scale, where being 90% M means also being exactly 10% S, and so on. It shows in how Okayu stays consistently at the bottom of the chart, despite being a known tease. Okayu herself even says she's "disqualified" from being an S, seemingly because of how much of an M she is. (But then, she may also know something about herself that the fans simply don't. Many things, I'm sure) Confirming my initial suspicion is Korone at 2:30, giving her reason for Okayu being the bottom of the S list as "Okayu's definitely an M", and Subaru at 7:40 concluding that chat's 6% vote for her as an S means that chat sees her as an M, which doesn't logically follow. Dunno, maybe I'm the only one who cares, but I think it's fascinating to discover what appears to be a culture-wide misinterpretation of behavior, seemingly overlooking the fact that people can be both of these things, or neither of them, simultaneously.
A key thing to add, just like how you can be S M SM or neither, you can also be different sub types of any of the categories. Example Okayu is a classic brat masochist, she is mischievous, but the ultimate goal is for her target to turn on her and put her in her place. This works well with Korone who is highly susceptible to teasing but can also put extreme pressure out. Catto is smug but she knows doggo can break her physically or mentally, and she enjoys pushing that edge. And thus, why Korone is confident she will always be Okayu's number one, and visa versa.
I highly disagree. If you are "both", then there's no point categorizing yourself as S & M. You are something else. That's like saying you are good but also evil, or an introvert but also an extrovert. You can be one right now and the other next time but never at the same time. And saying Japan has a cultural misconception about S&M points out that you believe there can only be one definition. Who's to say that S&M has to adhere to what the west defines it? What if the idea of S&M is highly different among cultures and nationalities?
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke Using the west's definitions (which I won't do for long here, no worries), you could absolutely be both sadistic and masochistic at the same time. One is enjoying causing pain, and the other is enjoying experiencing pain. They're by no means mutually exclusive. Japan's definitions, though... It's tricky, because I think the terms are extended to a whole bunch of different (but similar) concepts all at once. You'll hear someone describe being M as enjoying nothing more intense than light teasing, and then someone else who describes wanting what seems to me to be borderline abusive treatment. Sometimes it's physical, sometimes emotional. There's a wide range of both type and degree of "M" behavior. I remember Marine being astounded that the video of her getting slapped in the face was received so poorly, when to her it seemed appealing (or thought it would be appealing to her chat, I forget which). So basically, there's a huge range of things people might want done to them, and people who would want to do those things to others. Those are your Ms and Ss. But again it doesn't seem at all weird to me that you might get people who fall into both spectrums at once. Or you might have someone like me who isn't really a fan of either. Now, if you're treating S and M as equivalent to Top and Bottom, with one person initiating things and the other being more....ugh the internet has ruined the word submissive, but that.... then I can see why you'd think they were locked to a sliding scale. Being willing to initiate in 6% of situations would naturally mean you're NOT willing in 94% of them. But I don't see that as the primary meaning when people talk about these concepts. In reality they're treated like....the spectrum of options that exist between Sadism/Masochism, and Top/Bottom. It's weird. So yeah, I stand by it. Much like every attempt humans have made to shove complex topics into neat little explanatory boxes, Japanese culture has at least a partial misunderstanding of this concept that makes them see it as a "one or the other" situation when it can also be Both or Neither. Limiting a three-dimensional grid of options to a single number line. Options get lost doing that.
I like how every single person except Okayu put herself in third, and occupies at least one person's spot from 1-3. I also am most inclined to agree with Okayu since I think that she has the best insight into other people.
@@bankkunarak ...I was about to say Subatomo, but upon closer inspection, that's not _entirely_ true. :/ It'd be that higher tier, the one Noel's supposedly part of.
freaking ROLLING from 6:20 Based on combining their own rankings, SMOK rating each other's sadist ranking from most to least 1. Mio 2. Korone 3. Subaru 4. Okayu It probably surprises people that Mio is ranked highest but it honestly makes sense. When Mio strikes, she strikes hard. The fact that she's unaware of it makes it hit harder bc she otherwise doesn't give off the impression. Gap moe is pretty powerful, huh? Thanks for the subs!
I love that punishment game with Okayu. Love the animations from that stream. It was so rare to see Subaru dominate Okayu. I hope they make another one soon.
I'm surprised they made mio first. Just goes to show I don't watch her, I guess. She even only lost to Korone by 3% so that's honestly an eye opener. At the bro least, the results were within my prediction. Korone wins by popularity vote.
Mio once went to store around Xmas time to top up her gacha funds. Chat asked for snacks she bought us ice cream. Mio is super brutal but it's super rare. Let's not forget this is the same cute wolfo who will never recognize Subaru as her daughter and during the meme review episode she acknowledged she's okay with giving Subaru crusts and giving ayame the good part of the bread.
It's pretty much as they describe here, Mio doesn't seem like the type at first glance and she usually isn't but, unintentionally or not, she can absolutely obliterate with her words. I think in this same stream when Subaru asked why Mio wouldn't want to date her, Mio straight up told her "you're a pain in the ass" lmao. The fact that she's unaware of it also means she doesn't play into it for comedy so it really only comes up naturally.
Thank you so much for these clips! I don’t know Japanese (yet) and so don’t get to see a lot of stuff from JP members. These longer clips are really appreciated for people like me who wanna know more about them!
Korone was also my first choice most Sadistic, thats why I was surprised when out of 4 of them only 1 rated korone as number 1, maybe mio number 2 but I don't really see Subuaru as Sadistic
They must be using a different definition of sadist than I am. I don't see Mio as the type to enjoy inflicting pain on others at all. I guess they're leaning towards the "sadistic by effect" approach, as Mio does have a sharp wit that makes her sound like a sadist. But yeah, Korone easily dominates this ranking.
It's kinda different and more broad than inflicting pain or so. While I agree that Mio does not enjoy inflicting pain or so but IMO she enjoy watching the reaction. Korone's S side is her natural state and coupled with her doglike curiosity, anyone would feel the pressure. Mio's S tendency is more dormant and only surfaced rarely and limited to people close to her especially if the have good reaction like Subaru, Fubuki or Korone to lesser extend.
Mio is pretty sadistic and mean (not in a serious way), especially with members she's closer to (especially Subaru sometimes). I'd say even more intensely than Korone, but it just doesn't happen as often as Korone.
TBF, Subaru might be less Sadist than Okayu (gets teased more than she teases), but it's not correlated to being Masochist (that she actually likes it) xD
I think the reason people voted so much on Okayu although she is a masochist compared to Subaru, is because she loves to tease, Okayu is surely a serial teaser even though she is a self-confirmed masochist, though I could see her being a switch though preferring being a M
IMO, because there aren't much S episode of Subaru, while Okayu stabbed her viewers with pen on ASMR stream, Mio tease Subaru pretty often, and Korone is Korone. Also the poll only accept 1 answer per account and not point system, maybe there's a chance who thought Subaru is ranked 2nd and the other lower.
1st place get 3 points 2nd place get 2 3rd place get 1 4th place get 0 1-Mio :9 2-Korone :8 3-Subaru :7 4-Okayu :0 + And if we the viewers vote : 1-Mio :11 1-Korone 11 3-Subaru :7 4-Okayu :1
I felt like Okayu also enjoy tease people, someone like Pekora or Subaru to bait for some funny retorts, so it's kinda reasonable if people see her as Sadist too.
![[Hololive] Ultimate Chicken Horse with Korone, Okayu, Subaru and Mio! - Part 1](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sp4N_ZwPTfI/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Hololive] Ultimate Chicken Horse with Korone, Okayu, Subaru and Mio! - Part 1](/img/tr.png)
![When Korone Goes to Okayu's House VS When Subaru Goes to Okayu's House [Hololive]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vxe0FY9Kljc/mqdefault.jpg)
![Subaru keeps digging her own grave answering who she'll date - Okayu, Mio, Korone [Hololive/ENG Sub]](/img/n.gif)
Korone to Mio: "shes probably a sadist that doesnt realize shes one"
*flashback to korone-mio asmr where korone drowns trying to make sound from drinking water while mio just laughs*
th-cam.com/video/CfZLjhdfGsM/w-d-xo.html
Subaru: "I am on the top"
Okayu: Ahhhhhhhh.
That is still the legendary interaction between Subaru and Okayu.
Okayu: "Haa!?!?"
I must see this interaction! Where is it!??
@@KaoruSugimura Okayu can't gaze into Subaru's eyes even for 3 seconds.【Animated ...
TH-cam · HoloNUKINO. EN
02-Aug-2021
Here you go the animated translation. It was a off collab
@@KaoruSugimura Here's a link to a translated clip.
th-cam.com/video/zq5VXRPLtms/w-d-xo.html
Here's a link to another, newer fanimation by a different animator channel.
th-cam.com/video/WyACUSGEE60/w-d-xo.html
As a koronesuki i can confirm that she's also calling us disgusting and got abused daily
Doesn't seem like you're complaining though...
Because im not
We don't complain
せんの せんの ころね が せんの！
Didn't you get hit with a dirty rag at some point?
Korone being biggest sadist in SMOK makes sense to me. She googled about torture and likes dark stuff and her marathon streams pretty much sleep deprivation torture to all of the koronesukis.
Mio is a hidden S. She tend to act kind and motherly but when with people she really close with (like FAMS, SMOK or tokoMOS), she is quite wild. She drive fire truck carelessly (while Fubuki, Subaru and Towa are panicking), leaving dying Towa alone when searching for items, teasing Subaru very hard, etc.
My favorite thing in this whole video is 3:22 the way Korone says "Okayu!" 😂 she can't come up with an excuse so she gets mad at Okayu for revealing this sensitive information 😂😂
only Okayu can pull shit like this to Koro-san it's so funny
@@krugz_ lol yep. Anyone else would get punched 😂
7:54...personal like
Sees Miosha in number 1. Yup sounds about right. It's super rare but Mio is very brutal sometimes. She once had to go to the store to top up her gacha funds. It was winter. Chat asked for some snacks and she bought us ice cream.
Are you kidding me? Ice cream in winter rules
oh she bought us ice cream, wah wah
There's a reason why "圧" (pressure) is its own emote in Korone's chat. The way she can suddenly turn on the pressure in an otherwise casual conversation is amazing.
1:21 that "wakaru!" had so much intensity. What have you been doing Mio-sha?
Upon rewatch, I'm kind of surprised that Korone wasn't the obvious #1 to the others. She's like top 3 in all of Hololive. It's one her main traits.
Okayu is an SM honestly. She loves bullying too much to not be considered a sadist.
Mio's sadism is honestly more just her being a typical mom. She doesn't enjoy it necessarily, she just thinks it's important to say, and she knows the most about the others.
Subaru is not really sadistic at all.
It's fascinating, watching this I realized that there's something of a cultural misconception about S vs M behavior in Japan. Everyone seems to be treating it as a sliding scale, where being 90% M means also being exactly 10% S, and so on. It shows in how Okayu stays consistently at the bottom of the chart, despite being a known tease. Okayu herself even says she's "disqualified" from being an S, seemingly because of how much of an M she is. (But then, she may also know something about herself that the fans simply don't. Many things, I'm sure)
Confirming my initial suspicion is Korone at 2:30, giving her reason for Okayu being the bottom of the S list as "Okayu's definitely an M", and Subaru at 7:40 concluding that chat's 6% vote for her as an S means that chat sees her as an M, which doesn't logically follow.
Dunno, maybe I'm the only one who cares, but I think it's fascinating to discover what appears to be a culture-wide misinterpretation of behavior, seemingly overlooking the fact that people can be both of these things, or neither of them, simultaneously.
A key thing to add, just like how you can be S M SM or neither, you can also be different sub types of any of the categories. Example Okayu is a classic brat masochist, she is mischievous, but the ultimate goal is for her target to turn on her and put her in her place. This works well with Korone who is highly susceptible to teasing but can also put extreme pressure out. Catto is smug but she knows doggo can break her physically or mentally, and she enjoys pushing that edge. And thus, why Korone is confident she will always be Okayu's number one, and visa versa.
@@sammyjay4324 Very well said. And I do love me some OkaKoro Psychology. I approve wholeheartedly :D
I highly disagree. If you are "both", then there's no point categorizing yourself as S & M. You are something else. That's like saying you are good but also evil, or an introvert but also an extrovert. You can be one right now and the other next time but never at the same time.
And saying Japan has a cultural misconception about S&M points out that you believe there can only be one definition. Who's to say that S&M has to adhere to what the west defines it? What if the idea of S&M is highly different among cultures and nationalities?
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke Using the west's definitions (which I won't do for long here, no worries), you could absolutely be both sadistic and masochistic at the same time. One is enjoying causing pain, and the other is enjoying experiencing pain. They're by no means mutually exclusive.
Japan's definitions, though... It's tricky, because I think the terms are extended to a whole bunch of different (but similar) concepts all at once. You'll hear someone describe being M as enjoying nothing more intense than light teasing, and then someone else who describes wanting what seems to me to be borderline abusive treatment. Sometimes it's physical, sometimes emotional. There's a wide range of both type and degree of "M" behavior. I remember Marine being astounded that the video of her getting slapped in the face was received so poorly, when to her it seemed appealing (or thought it would be appealing to her chat, I forget which).
So basically, there's a huge range of things people might want done to them, and people who would want to do those things to others. Those are your Ms and Ss. But again it doesn't seem at all weird to me that you might get people who fall into both spectrums at once. Or you might have someone like me who isn't really a fan of either.
Now, if you're treating S and M as equivalent to Top and Bottom, with one person initiating things and the other being more....ugh the internet has ruined the word submissive, but that.... then I can see why you'd think they were locked to a sliding scale. Being willing to initiate in 6% of situations would naturally mean you're NOT willing in 94% of them. But I don't see that as the primary meaning when people talk about these concepts. In reality they're treated like....the spectrum of options that exist between Sadism/Masochism, and Top/Bottom. It's weird.
So yeah, I stand by it. Much like every attempt humans have made to shove complex topics into neat little explanatory boxes, Japanese culture has at least a partial misunderstanding of this concept that makes them see it as a "one or the other" situation when it can also be Both or Neither. Limiting a three-dimensional grid of options to a single number line. Options get lost doing that.
I like how every single person except Okayu put herself in third, and occupies at least one person's spot from 1-3. I also am most inclined to agree with Okayu since I think that she has the best insight into other people.
Picking Mio was so unexpected, given her reputation as kind and motherly. But, she does seem to really enjoy bullying Subaru.
who would not enjoy bullying subaru
@@bankkunarak ...I was about to say Subatomo, but upon closer inspection, that's not _entirely_ true. :/
It'd be that higher tier, the one Noel's supposedly part of.
@E4439qv5 you mean ahijo?
For people wondering when did Subaru say that to Okayu it's the legendary curry chip challenge they didm S Subaru was out in force that stream.
freaking ROLLING from 6:20
Based on combining their own rankings, SMOK rating each other's sadist ranking from most to least
1. Mio
2. Korone
3. Subaru
4. Okayu
It probably surprises people that Mio is ranked highest but it honestly makes sense. When Mio strikes, she strikes hard. The fact that she's unaware of it makes it hit harder bc she otherwise doesn't give off the impression. Gap moe is pretty powerful, huh?
Thanks for the subs!
I love that punishment game with Okayu. Love the animations from that stream. It was so rare to see Subaru dominate Okayu. I hope they make another one soon.
Korone cuts our fingers off out of love. Nothing sadistic there.
She's just asking questions. Lots of them and with increasing intensity.
This is the reason why smok is the best unit
The canines are more sadistic than the duck and the feline, I see
I'm surprised they made mio first. Just goes to show I don't watch her, I guess. She even only lost to Korone by 3% so that's honestly an eye opener. At the bro least, the results were within my prediction. Korone wins by popularity vote.
It was a shock to me, too. I watch Mio all the time, and I never felt anything remotely sadistic from her.
Mio once went to store around Xmas time to top up her gacha funds. Chat asked for snacks she bought us ice cream. Mio is super brutal but it's super rare. Let's not forget this is the same cute wolfo who will never recognize Subaru as her daughter and during the meme review episode she acknowledged she's okay with giving Subaru crusts and giving ayame the good part of the bread.
@@venkaramon I feel like the bit with Subaru is just the ongoing gag, but I will acknowledge that ice cream episode.
It's pretty much as they describe here, Mio doesn't seem like the type at first glance and she usually isn't but, unintentionally or not, she can absolutely obliterate with her words. I think in this same stream when Subaru asked why Mio wouldn't want to date her, Mio straight up told her "you're a pain in the ass" lmao. The fact that she's unaware of it also means she doesn't play into it for comedy so it really only comes up naturally.
I watch Mio all the time and yes I would give same rating:
Mio
Korone
Subaru
Okayu
Thank you so much for these clips! I don’t know Japanese (yet) and so don’t get to see a lot of stuff from JP members. These longer clips are really appreciated for people like me who wanna know more about them!
The way koro-san treats us is quite rough and she always laugh about how she's beating us, I do feel like she's quite the sadist
Mio is just like a mom,
sweet and loving, but fart in the wrong direction, and she gives u hell.
Korone was also my first choice most Sadistic, thats why I was surprised when out of 4 of them only 1 rated korone as number 1, maybe mio number 2 but I don't really see Subuaru as Sadistic
Korone is expected sadism while Mio gets you to expect comfort before going full sadist.
3:21 you can tell how embarrassed she was when Okayu revealed her hidden S side XD
7:52
Oof, I felt that question in my spine...
Korone every time she sees a koronesuki in any game:
Korone: Kimoi!
They must be using a different definition of sadist than I am. I don't see Mio as the type to enjoy inflicting pain on others at all.
I guess they're leaning towards the "sadistic by effect" approach, as Mio does have a sharp wit that makes her sound like a sadist. But yeah, Korone easily dominates this ranking.
they literally are using a different definition, yes. they're more talking about dom/sub type stuff.
It's kinda different and more broad than inflicting pain or so. While I agree that Mio does not enjoy inflicting pain or so but IMO she enjoy watching the reaction.
Korone's S side is her natural state and coupled with her doglike curiosity, anyone would feel the pressure. Mio's S tendency is more dormant and only surfaced rarely and limited to people close to her especially if the have good reaction like Subaru, Fubuki or Korone to lesser extend.
@@Argenolf With this explanation, I think I see it myself now. Thinking back, Mio's sadism is based more on the reaction than the actual act.
th-cam.com/video/1iMczjCVlbQ/w-d-xo.html what is actually meant by the question is explained somewhat in the comments of this funny video about it
Mio is pretty sadistic and mean (not in a serious way), especially with members she's closer to (especially Subaru sometimes). I'd say even more intensely than Korone, but it just doesn't happen as often as Korone.
I thought they did another collab, only to realize it's a past stream. I'LL TAKE WHAT I CAN GET
Otsu
That was amazing, what a deep discussion
Korone couldnt stop laughing while cutting a guy's finger in Heavy Rain. I think that says enough.
TBF, Subaru might be less Sadist than Okayu (gets teased more than she teases), but it's not correlated to being Masochist (that she actually likes it) xD
Korone IMMEDIATELY demonstrated why she's number 1. I love it.
What's the legendary stream that Subaru got on top of Okayu?
Someone please enlighten us! We need to know which stream!
here you go th-cam.com/video/-NkrIhL0NKo/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/zq5VXRPLtms/w-d-xo.html
Korone takes fingers and punches her fans in the face on a regular basis. How is there any question who is number one?
I think the reason people voted so much on Okayu although she is a masochist compared to Subaru, is because she loves to tease, Okayu is surely a serial teaser even though she is a self-confirmed masochist, though I could see her being a switch though preferring being a M
Okayu has said she teases people so they fire back. The problem is that nobody fires back lmao. A big brain play, unfortunately too big brain.
There's this BDSM term called Brat, it's basically "M's that love to tease in the hopes that the teased will dom them".
Don't ask how I know.
Yes I’m hentaisan desu.
Okayu truly drinks from a goblet of culture
korone is definitely number one as a sadist subaru has to be close second though cause she loves arresting people and playing the intimidation game
Surprised Subaru (S for Sadistic) wasn't rated by chat after she bullied Okayu in that legendary stream: th-cam.com/video/WyACUSGEE60/w-d-xo.html
IMO, because there aren't much S episode of Subaru, while Okayu stabbed her viewers with pen on ASMR stream, Mio tease Subaru pretty often, and Korone is Korone. Also the poll only accept 1 answer per account and not point system, maybe there's a chance who thought Subaru is ranked 2nd and the other lower.
Are people really forgetting that Ko'one is our world's version of Dr. Trager? It's cowardice to put her in a competition for most sadistic. 😂
so the takeaway here is that everyone in SMOK is a full-on sadist
Okayu is M so its fair she would be 4 Korone S and Okayu M Okakoro
1st place get 3 points
2nd place get 2
3rd place get 1
4th place get 0
1-Mio :9
2-Korone :8
3-Subaru :7
4-Okayu :0
+ And if we the viewers vote :
1-Mio :11
1-Korone 11
3-Subaru :7
4-Okayu :1
I felt like Okayu also enjoy tease people, someone like Pekora or Subaru to bait for some funny retorts, so it's kinda reasonable if people see her as Sadist too.
Always weird to see Okayu labeled M. She's always the one playing and torturing Korone, while Korone tortures everyone else.
I wanna see awakening of subaru that legendary clip
This bgm is creepy lol
Isn't this just a top/bottom list XD
🤣🤣🤣
Lol