It goes back to what Dustin said about certain teams having a culture of success and the Browns not having that. Every time this team gets a small taste of success they think they arrived and they fall apart the next year. There’s no culture of winning here and they just think winning like ten games and making a playoff appearance is good enough.
The culture of success is nothing more than the front office making the right decisions and the coaching do their job. To improve they need to start over again.
Yep. Too many excuses being presented for the defense. G. Bush has it down. That bush league end zone celebration with the flag on the field sums things up. Newsome cost the team the turnover and he was imitating a DRUM MAJOR, for Chrissakes. Dude needs to follow the other busts out the door, and that definitely includes Wills. I've also seen enough of Stefanski and Berry.
Hunt had 102 yards rushing for the Chiefs. 2nd week in a row being the games leading rusher.....starting for the 2 time superbowl champions but wasn't good enough for the Browns they only put him in to pick up an inch to a yard and he did it every time and everything they asked and the paid him back by cutting him and claiming he lost a step...he'll probably win a superbowl and he deserves it. yes I question coaching on grading player skill assessment,player development,and putting team in position to win. TIME IS UP...
GBush continues to ignore facts. The Bills were a playoff team before they drafted Allen. The Ravens were 9-7 when they drafted Lamar. Also both teams traded UP for their guys. The Bills went from 21 to 12 to 7 to get him. The Ravens went from #52 to #32 for Lamar.
The Browns also have never developed a QB. Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson on the Browns under Haslem, Berry and Stefanski would have turned out just like Baker. I can't even be optimistic about the potential for a top 5 draft pick next year because I have 0 faith that they can identify and develop a QB of the future.
No tf the bills weren't 🤣🤣🤣 the patriots that division and it wasn't until they started to fall off that the bills became contenders. And on top of that it wasn't until they got Diggs that they actually made it to the divisional round. How dare you lie like that 🤣
Watson can block form himself, he can't run the routes and catch the ball and he doesn't play defense. The Browns issues are deeper than 1 player. This is the result of an analytics built team. No chemistry.
Hahaha you dummfukk looks like it was only 1 player that was blowing it. Wow this comment aged like milk. We benched deshaun and we beat the ravens right away. Just needed to bench watson and all of a sudden we can win games against great teams. This is too good. You really don't know football scott.
Boycott the Browns until they get rid of Deshaun Watson. The stadium is better used for flee markets. Shame on you Jimmy Haslam. Browns fans aren’t smart but we are loyal. I have been a fan my whole life. This doubling down on this horrible quarterback is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Boycott Boycott.
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have not won a super bowl. Not to mention Winston has been cut from multiple teams. So now he is the answer. You all reaching. The line hasn't changed. Winston going to experience the same problem.
G Bush - you and i are TOTALLY, COMPLETELY ON THE SAME PAGE!!!!! Do your effing job! You don't want to be there - move over there are PLENTY of HUNGRY, TALENTED athletes that will gladly take your spot. Move over or get your head right!!!! Preach!!!!!
Yes this has been my main question. Why is this a full team implosion. Again some will say its because the O is not doing anything and the D is on the field too long. There is truth to much of that. However, especially in that WAsh game multiple passes were overthrown with WRs wide open that would have been blown coverage TDs. And some were caught as well with even Ward looking confused. Seeing many Joe Woods "was that your man or my man moments" in combo with no consistent pass rush and containment. Always get beat on the ends and ALWAYS on a jet sweep.
deshaun is a problem but isnt the only problem the O LINE is a big problem along with playcalling. this late in the season its hard to want to do anything. being apart of a failed orginization is worse than not playing at all, Theres 31 other teams that could treat you better and elevate your play.
The defense has its issues but those are mostly correctable. However you can see it, whenever the team in a 2 score hole, they quit. Both sides. Wrs arent running hard to get open because they know the ball isnt coming to them, defense is tired because the offense just went 3 and out for the X time in a row. The problem is DW. The film doesnt lie. Guys are open. He's also taking sacks for no reason. I saw plays where if he just passes the ball its a good decision because everyone was open. Instead he runs and gets 3 yards. The man is averaging more per run than per pass. This is worse than rookie qb level stuff. You cant be year 5 of your program and have this. KS might really let this man get him fired. Maybe thats what he wants idk.
Bench deshaun after sunday, make him trade sweats with chubb on the sideline if he even wants to be out there at all. Let jameis play this season, give DTR a shot the last 4 games if that doesnt work. Jameis will be gone next season. Trade Coop for OL, Draft an OL, cut deshaun eat the 86 mil, we are revuilding post deshaun even if he plays out his entire contract on the roster. let DTR play next year if there isnt a better veteran option. If DTR improves significantly give him a baker level APY contract. No point in getting a hugh draft pick QB if we dont have an O line.
Deshaun Watson is going to go down in Browns history as another failed quarterback. Except worse because of the draft picks they gave up and money they spent on him.
I agree with GB about the defense....to a point. Expecting the defense to only give up 10-14 points a game will probably wear thin after 5 games. I know it probably shouldn't but a poor low scoring offense is going to eventually affect the defense to some extent. Winston needs to start next game. The biggest issue is the Browns need a new owner. At this point who really has any faith in the rebuilding process and future drafting with Haslam as the owner.
GBush - you're right but you know that the mental component of your offense going 3 and out constantly does ultimately lead to lower defensive performances.
I hear G about morale. And in a perfect world, morale wouldn’t affect athletes. But it does. Imagine being a defender for the Browns and seeing, over and over and over again, that the offense does nothing. Of course that will affect how the defense plays.
1 bench Deshaun Watson 2 put in nick Chubb 3 fire Andy Dickerson 4 have stefanski hand over the playbook 5 fire Paul depodesta 6 start Winston or DTR 7 bye bye Martin Emerson
The collapse of the Browns is on the shoulders of the owners, front office and coaching. They wanted Watson, the front office brings the players in and from what I have seen not very well. The coaching was very good last year but not this year.
I'm understanding why the coach is continuing to play Watson. He's more concerned about his mental health.. not his play on the field. The coach is a real dude and the team is as well. Anyone that cares for there teammates understand what I'm saying. So you continue to play him. And maybe he can be healed .. I life isn't just about football. Life is about being concerned about others. At this point they'll there make the playoffs and win championship
Last year, we had assets. We have risk eroding on our profit margin, our bottom line. the organization is profiting, while the fans are the bottom feeders of the barrel. sarcastic thank you Haslam's
If anything the player should go all out cause what’s on the back of their jersey’s. Their last name!!!!! That right there should be all the motivation in the world. How do you want to be remembered. The guy who just made it or the guy who gave it all win or lose.
GBush be the only one that uses his brain and does not care about hurting peoples feelings. He is the best we have giving sports takes in Cleveland. Mary Cabot and all the rest of these jabronis be saying the stupidest crap. This team has so many issue and Bush the only one being real. You can't blame Watson for everything. I hope we bench Watson so everyone can see the real issues.
The predator has everything to do their defense. They gave up because, they don't have confidence on the Predator. Why would they go out and play their hearts out knowing they cant win with Mr. massage as QB. I know, I wouldn't.
I believe the browns biggest problem is with jimmy all the way to the top he writes too many big checks to players that don’t deserve it and then other players be like well where is my big check and man they not enough money for other players that do deserve to get paid look at Conklin what a waste and wills and teller and bitonio and Watson for what you paying those guys you could be paying younger more talented players it’s a mess I could go on and on and on so many problems on this team but haslim is the main problem imo thanks guys for listening to my bs❤
We all have reacted emotionally. Enough is enough with the blame game. The game is 90 % mental and from what I’m seeing it’s not just the players who are having a mental breakdown. Everyone needs to just keep their opinions and complaints for the end of the season. This city has turned on the Browns . Yeah it’s true the Team is struggling finding a different way to lose every week. But they can and they will turn this around. Do you all want to be fair weather fans ? All the sudden everyone is an expert on running a team, being QB etc. let the team handle their business.
It goes back to what Dustin said about certain teams having a culture of success and the Browns not having that. Every time this team gets a small taste of success they think they arrived and they fall apart the next year. There’s no culture of winning here and they just think winning like ten games and making a playoff appearance is good enough.
The culture of success is nothing more than the front office making the right decisions and the coaching do their job. To improve they need to start over again.
If the defense quit on the team because of the offense then that shouldn’t be the nfl they still getting paid millions to perform
Yep. Too many excuses being presented for the defense. G. Bush has it down. That bush league end zone celebration with the flag on the field sums things up. Newsome cost the team the turnover and he was imitating a DRUM MAJOR, for Chrissakes. Dude needs to follow the other busts out the door, and that definitely includes Wills. I've also seen enough of Stefanski and Berry.
@@mark3035 facts
Hunt had 102 yards rushing for the Chiefs. 2nd week in a row being the games leading rusher.....starting for the 2 time superbowl champions but wasn't good enough for the Browns they only put him in to pick up an inch to a yard and he did it every time and everything they asked and the paid him back by cutting him and claiming he lost a step...he'll probably win a superbowl and he deserves it. yes I question coaching on grading player skill assessment,player development,and putting team in position to win. TIME IS UP...
GBush continues to ignore facts. The Bills were a playoff team before they drafted Allen. The Ravens were 9-7 when they drafted Lamar. Also both teams traded UP for their guys. The Bills went from 21 to 12 to 7 to get him. The Ravens went from #52 to #32 for Lamar.
He’s a massive Baker hater. No matter how much he balls. He’s such a clown.
The Browns also have never developed a QB. Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson on the Browns under Haslem, Berry and Stefanski would have turned out just like Baker. I can't even be optimistic about the potential for a top 5 draft pick next year because I have 0 faith that they can identify and develop a QB of the future.
@@jdeljones absolutely. Imagine one of them having to go through Hue and Freddy their first 2 years.
No tf the bills weren't 🤣🤣🤣 the patriots that division and it wasn't until they started to fall off that the bills became contenders. And on top of that it wasn't until they got Diggs that they actually made it to the divisional round.
How dare you lie like that 🤣
@@angelicaguardia6178wait you're saying the Bills didn't make the playoffs in 2017? Check your history
Watson can block form himself, he can't run the routes and catch the ball and he doesn't play defense. The Browns issues are deeper than 1 player. This is the result of an analytics built team. No chemistry.
He’s definitely horrible though.
Coaching staff blows. Jerome ford avg over 5 yards a carry. Had 1 carry in first 3 qtrs.
Hahaha you dummfukk looks like it was only 1 player that was blowing it. Wow this comment aged like milk. We benched deshaun and we beat the ravens right away. Just needed to bench watson and all of a sudden we can win games against great teams. This is too good. You really don't know football scott.
Boycott the Browns until they get rid of Deshaun Watson. The stadium is better used for flee markets. Shame on you Jimmy Haslam. Browns fans aren’t smart but we are loyal. I have been a fan my whole life. This doubling down on this horrible quarterback is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Boycott Boycott.
Later
Vets will play hard for DTR. You could tell when he played the steelers last year how much it meant to him.
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have not won a super bowl. Not to mention Winston has been cut from multiple teams. So now he is the answer. You all reaching. The line hasn't changed. Winston going to experience the same problem.
G Bush - you and i are TOTALLY, COMPLETELY ON THE SAME PAGE!!!!! Do your effing job! You don't want to be there - move over there are PLENTY of HUNGRY, TALENTED athletes that will gladly take your spot. Move over or get your head right!!!! Preach!!!!!
They aren't in Cleveland.
@@someperson8151 ha ha!!! 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Yes this has been my main question. Why is this a full team implosion. Again some will say its because the O is not doing anything and the D is on the field too long. There is truth to much of that. However, especially in that WAsh game multiple passes were overthrown with WRs wide open that would have been blown coverage TDs. And some were caught as well with even Ward looking confused. Seeing many Joe Woods "was that your man or my man moments" in combo with no consistent pass rush and containment. Always get beat on the ends and ALWAYS on a jet sweep.
Stop talking about the team. Talk about the futility of the franchise and ownership. Nothing will change as long as Haslam is pulling the strings.
deshaun is a problem but isnt the only problem the O LINE is a big problem along with playcalling. this late in the season its hard to want to do anything. being apart of a failed orginization is worse than not playing at all, Theres 31 other teams that could treat you better and elevate your play.
DTR + 30lbs with Jameis backing him up is where I'm at right now
We don't need to salvage shit. We need some bonified picks in this coming draft period. Let's make some trades to revamp this team.
😮😮😮 Keeping my wife engaged in the NFL will require us not to follow the Cleveland Browns this year for it puts people in a bad place 😢😢😢.
Cleveland front office/ownership and a good portion of the fan base deserves this for inviting Watson
The defense has its issues but those are mostly correctable. However you can see it, whenever the team in a 2 score hole, they quit. Both sides. Wrs arent running hard to get open because they know the ball isnt coming to them, defense is tired because the offense just went 3 and out for the X time in a row. The problem is DW. The film doesnt lie. Guys are open. He's also taking sacks for no reason. I saw plays where if he just passes the ball its a good decision because everyone was open. Instead he runs and gets 3 yards. The man is averaging more per run than per pass. This is worse than rookie qb level stuff. You cant be year 5 of your program and have this. KS might really let this man get him fired. Maybe thats what he wants idk.
Sometime G bush is just downright terrible lol a high school linemen telling a Top divison athlete about “no excuses” lol shut it
3 and out. Tired defense. 3 and out. Tired defense. 3 and out. Tired defense.
Any questions?
trade Garrett, trade Ward, trade Njoku
start DTR
see what you got with DTR, meanwhile accumulate as many 1st round picks as possible
full rebuild
Tyvis' point on the D is salient.
Bench deshaun after sunday, make him trade sweats with chubb on the sideline if he even wants to be out there at all. Let jameis play this season, give DTR a shot the last 4 games if that doesnt work. Jameis will be gone next season. Trade Coop for OL, Draft an OL, cut deshaun eat the 86 mil, we are revuilding post deshaun even if he plays out his entire contract on the roster. let DTR play next year if there isnt a better veteran option. If DTR improves significantly give him a baker level APY contract. No point in getting a hugh draft pick QB if we dont have an O line.
Deshaun Watson is going to go down in Browns history as another failed quarterback. Except worse because of the draft picks they gave up and money they spent on him.
I agree with GB about the defense....to a point. Expecting the defense to only give up 10-14 points a game will probably wear thin after 5 games. I know it probably shouldn't but a poor low scoring offense is going to eventually affect the defense to some extent. Winston needs to start next game.
The biggest issue is the Browns need a new owner. At this point who really has any faith in the rebuilding process and future drafting with Haslam as the owner.
Great discussion and debate. Love this. I’m ready to suit up and I’m 62😂
GBush - you're right but you know that the mental component of your offense going 3 and out constantly does ultimately lead to lower defensive performances.
It shouldn't.... But it definitely does.
I hear G about morale. And in a perfect world, morale wouldn’t affect athletes. But it does. Imagine being a defender for the Browns and seeing, over and over and over again, that the offense does nothing. Of course that will affect how the defense plays.
G Bush is the truth
1 bench Deshaun Watson
2 put in nick Chubb
3 fire Andy Dickerson
4 have stefanski hand over the playbook
5 fire Paul depodesta
6 start Winston or DTR
7 bye bye Martin Emerson
None of that will matter when you have the worst owner in professional sports
We don’t want to hear a non browns fan (Bull) talk about the browns in a negative way.
We’ll all have to get together and do this again sometime!👀
You know speaking on character. Baker wouldn't be Baker if he was in Cleveland right now. That sucks for the fans.
They missed on Mayfield when they didn't keep him.
If the offense is the highest paid, then the defense has to be the lowest paid.
We love running QB’s out of town. I hate our fan base
Massage Watson is an energy vampire. He sucks all the positive energy out of the rest of the team.
The collapse of the Browns is on the shoulders of the owners, front office and coaching. They wanted Watson, the front office brings the players in and from what I have seen not very well. The coaching was very good last year but not this year.
Remember the old browns with a new Browns came and erased our history
They traded out because they seen what type of player the Scout had recommended
Wouldn't each player as there own men want to give everything for their future with other teams?
YES the Browns need rest on defense occasionally.
I noticed if a team scores 14 on us we lose so everyone formula to beating us right now is just score 14 and they can win
Will we have never had competent Scouts
For football is entertainment and the Browns are not
I'm understanding why the coach is continuing to play Watson. He's more concerned about his mental health.. not his play on the field. The coach is a real dude and the team is as well. Anyone that cares for there teammates understand what I'm saying. So you continue to play him. And maybe he can be healed .. I life isn't just about football. Life is about being concerned about others. At this point they'll there make the playoffs and win championship
'X' Factor = WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE
This whole franchise is…and always has been….a colossal embarrassment to the city of Cleveland. Wish they never returned in 1999
Failure deshaun is putting the defense on the field for the entire game. That results in a tired defense
The Ravens went all in changed offense. Had a proven code to coach Michael Vick to be his coach. Would the browns have done that? I doubt it
What would be happening right now if Watson played all of last year? Unfortunately we will never know,
Your right G Bush
Last year, we had assets. We have risk eroding on our profit margin, our bottom line. the organization is profiting, while the fans are the bottom feeders of the barrel. sarcastic thank you Haslam's
If anything the player should go all out cause what’s on the back of their jersey’s. Their last name!!!!! That right there should be all the motivation in the world. How do you want to be remembered. The guy who just made it or the guy who gave it all win or lose.
why is dustin dressed like a middle schooler
When your punter is making the team highlights you're a bad team
The D has collapsed in games before the O, stop making excuses for the D.
No excuses from any side to be this bad, these guys get paid an ungodly amount of money to play a kids sport, get out there and play or get cut
Trick or treat, know that we have been tricked with the same absent ownership
Watson has lost his MOJO! go Browns
ucss is gonna have to make a choice soon gbush has gotta go
LMAO...the league has made it harder to play defense,and the offense keeps putting them in a bad situation,Watson needs to play better period..lol
GBush be the only one that uses his brain and does not care about hurting peoples feelings. He is the best we have giving sports takes in Cleveland. Mary Cabot and all the rest of these jabronis be saying the stupidest crap. This team has so many issue and Bush the only one being real. You can't blame Watson for everything. I hope we bench Watson so everyone can see the real issues.
everythiiing..... if he cant stay on the field then we have to make 27 times as many stops, and while being tired from being on the field all game
Minus the dropped balls, we might have 1 or 2 more wins.
The predator has everything to do their defense. They gave up because, they don't have confidence on the Predator. Why would they go out and play their hearts out knowing they cant win with Mr. massage as QB. I know, I wouldn't.
G is right.
I believe the browns biggest problem is with jimmy all the way to the top he writes too many big checks to players that don’t deserve it and then other players be like well where is my big check and man they not enough money for other players that do deserve to get paid look at Conklin what a waste and wills and teller and bitonio and Watson for what you paying those guys you could be paying younger more talented players it’s a mess I could go on and on and on so many problems on this team but haslim is the main problem imo thanks guys for listening to my bs❤
They are all being paid to play and play very well. No excuses !!!!
Ab wants to draft s.sanders from Colorado and he's going to to die in Cleveland if he goes there.
Now you're blaming Watson for the defenses failures?
This show has become a joke. NEVER tuning in again.
The Browns are the worst sports city in America at every level lol
Even clowns need new uniforms but inside there's still a clown that's why players don't want to come to Cleveland organization is sketchy
Boycott the Browns until the owner sells the team. He might be rich, but he's hot garbage at owning a football franchise.
Tyvus is soft
Browns 34-Eagles 17
Not even worth comments anymore
He needs to quit the team
How in hell do you think he would do that with all that guaranteed money coming to him... wishful obscure thinking
When Myles is tripled Team other’s on the D-Line should already have 2 sacks each!!! Shows you what sorry lazy players on the D line!!!!
G bush is so whack lmao
We all have reacted emotionally. Enough is enough with the blame game.
The game is 90 % mental and from what I’m seeing it’s not just the players who are having a mental breakdown.
Everyone needs to just keep their opinions and complaints for the end of the season. This city has turned on the Browns .
Yeah it’s true the Team is struggling finding a different way to lose every week. But they can and they will turn this around.
Do you all want to be fair weather fans ? All the sudden everyone is an expert on running a team, being QB etc. let the team handle their business.
I'm with GBush.... The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. WTF are we talking about 🤷🏾?