Nah, I am still going with the idea that Szarekh got bored, and simply shut down part of the local pylons after mankind found the planet of his pet project "Necrontyr but with less cancer".
I have thought this as well with the very similar physical appearance and innate technological mastery. the Ethereals are biological constructs by the toad wizards or the silent robot king. Old toad Ones cloned the original Necrontyr in a hospitable peaceful part of the galaxy and the Ethereals are necrontyr with old one DNA.
It would be pretty cool if they were designed to be vessels for biotransference. It would explain their warp presence being so thin as well, it's a design feature not a flaw.
Best uplift hypothesis. The T'au were conceived by GW as fantasy's Lizardmen in spaaaace. Those are the Old Ones' answer to Choas. They have the Great[er Good] Plan, castes, and resistance to possession.
3 issues with this theory. 1 the Tau evolved to a point of having a near cut off connection to the warp. 2 the Tau are explicitly stated by chaos to be useless to their cause as corrupting them using their souls and such is like trying to sustain off of gnats. 3 the ethereal have no warp sensitivity and the goddess only came into existence after the humans and other psychically powerful races were introduced to the greater good. The Tau scoff and are disgusted by their goddess. Tau are atheist for a reason. They can't be of the warp as they evolved to not need it due to the dire circumstances they found themselves in evolving away from psychic presence and evolving to withstand it. Now are they maybe the creations of the old ones, necrons, or who knows some other warp deity giving the species a fighting chance who knows but GW handles aliens about as well as they handle creme parfee. I don't expect it to be any form of logical, reasonable or interesting and instead just be a retcon.
There's a flaw in your reasoning, though. The Tau themselves are useless to the chaos gods and have a weakened connection to the warp, but they have the grand goal of absorbing every race into their ideology and society. You stated that the goddess only appeared after humans and others joined them. The Tau are no good sustenance to Chaos as the bait is no sustenance to the fisherman. The fish, however... I still don't believe the Tau were somehow created by chaos. I think it's more likely they're connected with the Old Ones, the necrons and the Ctan.
If you look closely, there's a Xenos race that represents a natural manifestation of every Chaos God in the 40K setting, with Necrons being the green unkillable harbingers of death, the Eldar explain themselves, and you could associate the Orks with Khorne, though I would go as far as to say that Khorne is the one Chaos God that hasn't manifested in the form of a Xenos faction (yet). But when you look closely at the T'au, you'll begin to see "Tzeentch" written all over the walls. Ranged attacks akin to spells; the will to improve everything; the tendency to manipulate, or to be manipulated; always coming up with something new... Countrary to the other Chaos Gods, you'd think Tzeentch would actively go out of his way to create his own Xenos faction, just to be a Contrarian, but overall the colour blue is either an unintentional invitation for him to take the wheel, or an omen that he already has. All according to plan...
Perhaps this is why the Ethereals hate Farsight and vice versa - He is the personification of Khorne. Wears red. Prefers Melee. Hangs around in a group called The Eight.
@@conorslater8295 Farsight has now been prophesied TWICE to ascend as a new Exalted of Khorne, and he canonically is now only resisting via a constant mantra in the back of his mind and the thought of what his corruption would mean to his friends in The Eight. If something ever did happen to them...well, better start running.
As a Tau player, I've always been alienated when people say they aren't grimdark. The nuances to them and the fact that you have to look below the surface to find the true horrors is what makes them so interesting to me. Thanks for making this video.
they don't need to be 'grimdark'. this need that fascist nerds have to moralize 40k politics is absolutely fucking pathetic. the grimdark aspect of the tau is the disparity between their material conditions and their ideals. it does not get any more horrifying than this. every single attempt to slander the character of the tau by exaggerating their internal power dynamics into atrocities and conspiracizing their motivations fundamentally misses every mark it's possible to miss and is yet more proof that fascists, before they are evil, are just fucking stupid.
That's the real issue though, having to see below the surface. Most people won't see that deep and just attach to the Tau as the one "good" faction. I've even had Tau tourists straight up deny canon lore as "Imperium propaganda"
I honestly hope GW never explains it. This is the kind of mystery that makes the game lore rich and fun. There's a band called Breaking Benjamin, and the lead singer said he will never explain his lyrics because he doesn't want to get in the way of the fans theories.
Former Tau player, I’ve always believed that this was the case since the warp has been proven to well affect the tau differently than other species, their ‘lowered presence’ seems more like an evolutionary trait and we all know how likely that is because of happenstance.
The theory would be good if the tau had any amount of psychic potential. The chaos god of the greater good is said to only have been spawned due to large amounts of humans accepting the greater good as a lifestyle and since they are psychically active they are the reason it exists
Very interesting, if I might add my own speculation to this creative idea: IF the emperor is the 5th chaos god, the chaos god of ‘order’ or ‘domination’ as some have said- then the chaos storm which formed in M35 has an interesting reading… it mirrors the formation of the Eye of Terror during the birth of Slaanesh. The small size of the storm is explained by the T’aus small presence in the Warp and the cause of the birth would be their civil war. It is worth noting that at this time the Empire was undergoing a schism that split the empire in two, perhaps this is when the Emperor decided to jump ship from humans and find a new species that would unquestioningly obey his will. With this in mind, the Greater Good isn’t a force of Chaos Undivided, but the Dark King spreading his ‘Anathema’ across the galaxy: total Undivided Order.
I still hold to the idea that the Tau are a Great Deceiver Plot. It would match up with the Tau's diminished presence in the Warp too which would make them being Warp born odd to me.
"Maybe the Tau really are just looking to unify the galaxy under a peaceful regime for a more prosperous future" "For the greater good..." I loved that implication at the end.
I've always believed the T'au are a Tzeentch project. None of the other gods seem like the type who would give a shit about the T'au or what they stand for. Change. Progress. Scientific curiosity and a drive to understand the universe around them. These are the kind of things that are much more up Tzeentch's alley. The warp storms and the miraculous appearance of the Ethereals that would unite and deliver the T'au to the stars so quickly is too much of a coincidence for me.
You make a very salient argument however it is worth noting that all of your most persuasive arguments apply to the Imperium of Man every bit as much and that's really interesting.
Really good video and the music & sound effects are so on point, I feel like most 40 creators miss the mark by having skyrim-esque music playing in the backgrounds while they talk about the grimdark nature of 40k
Only problem is that wherever Chaos takes over a planet it acts very differently then Tau. If that was one of existing gods then why it suddenly acts so differently?
In some codex or book ( I can´t remember where ) it is written that they found a Spaceship somewhere in their system ( I believe it was a moon ). This ship had a working warpdrive which I believe was the human colonisationship.
Nah, please don't infantilize the T'au by requiring a human-centric "uplift" to get where they are. T'au are just freaking awesome enough to invent cool stuff. And to the other guy, yes they reverse-engineered the Slipstream Drive from a crashed Imperial ship, which took a bit of doing as none of the AdMech personnel on-board knew literally anything about how it actually worked, and all the manuals were full of useless nonsense. Think about it, T'au now know more about how Warp engines work than a sizable portion of the faction supposedly in charge of BUILDING the things.
Remember that Isha the Eldar goddess of harvest, fertility, nature, life, healing and growth is stuck in the warp, imprisoned by Nurgle. Idk how much influence she could have had, but in one account she seems to be the cause of rains that wash away the corruption of Nurgle. Anyway, so what if she is who caused the 'protective' warp storm and what if she is the 4-armed goddess they met in the warp?
@@bouncingbeebles Sounds like it could be some cool ass lore ngl. Isha supporting the Tau would be a interesting lore development tho Im not sure how the Eldar fans would react to that
4 castes each by each CHaos God ruled by consensus of Chaos Undivided? Nicely put, but I think it's simpler than that: we have Orcs (artificial soldiers), Eldar (artificial psychers) so which of 'regular' races are artifical ENGINEERS?
@@niklasdahlgren7641The Demiurg got retconned into being the Leagues of Votann, and we know that all of their engineers are actually clones working at the behest of the Votann themselves, which are all but outright stated to be Abominable Intelligences akin to the Men of Iron. COULD an Old One be behind it? Certainly, but I find it highly unlikely.
your entire explenation makes me believe it's all prelude towards the new chaos god that'll be revealed in the future, one we're all VERY aware of already: The Golden God (The Emperor's personification in the warp ~ since every living, thinking being is reflected in the warp as if the warp functions like a mirror) We all know the emperor was véry focussed on unifying everything under a single banner (being the greater good in the TAU's case). Since all primarchs are a piece of the emperor himself, I'm going to point at the Blood Angels who also have a blood-ritual deeply engraved throughout their entire lore, while being fully sanctified by the Emperor. But that is my take on it. Good video, gave me lots of food for speculation :D
imagine identifying with the imperium of man but being so pathetically insecure about its politics (and totally oblivious to the history of communism) that you do a MORALIST LIBERAL CRITIQUE OF THE TAU just to make yourself feel like less of a monster. o rly? they're just as bad as you are? that's what you've got? they're xenos! the only good xenos &c &c &c and yet here are, omg the blood rituals and the castes and the oligarchy blah blah blah lmfao
even the tau, the adorable little doomed materialists in a universe full of magic, demons, and gods, don't attempt to assume a moral high ground in their argumentation. they are pragmatists, not moralists - and this is 40k. anybody taking or assuming that a moral high ground exists somewhere in this setting should prolly stick to star trek. 40k absolutely 100% needed a faction of brutally pragmatic yet tragically naive stalinists. it helps pull the setting away from all the tolkien shit, and it fills a necessary role in the ideological structure of the lore.
if you think the tau are just a chaos conspiracy, you prolly still think that the imperium is intended to be satire. and that means you aren't enjoying the setting directly, you have to do it through a layer of irony to protect your beautiful soul. sad. weaksauce. mediocre. take off the moralizing blinders and enjoy! there is no place for idealism in the grim darkness of the far future.
I had to laugh so hard at the end but legitimately I wouldn't be surprised now with that microcosm they have going on that mirrors Chaos, if it literally is Chaos itself
You are wrong, the spirit of the tau is too weak and useless for the chaos to use it or care for it; it would serve chaos more to have the tau eliminated and replaced by humans as humans the the optimal tools to be used. The ethereals are a mystery yet I don’t see them as tools of chaos.
It's partially due to the previous world of fantasy actually having more gods besides the main four. Specifically the great horned rat, and Bull god for th chaos dwarves being some of the two stronger 'lesser' gods. In Age of sigmar I believe the great hroendr at has been upgraded to a full chaos god when Slaanesh left his throne and GHR took over for a bit and got way more powerful or something. GW has never really gone out of it's way to really fill the 8 seats of the pantheon to be totally fair. Atleast as far as I know.
I would add to this a little bit. I think that it's a lesser chaos god. None of the big four. They are using the Tau because they have a small impression on the warp and so they are less likely to draw the attention of the warp. It's also important to remember that not all beings of the warp are evil and want harm. Chaos just means not controlled, and by 40k's standards, not controlled by the Imperium.
I dont think its Chaos. It looks more like evolution. At some point in time few individuals were born with the gene to control others, maybe it's just with pheromones or something similar. And that's how the Ethereals came to be.
Believing gods into existence worked out pretty well for the Eldar for 60 million years. And i cannot see the Tau being of any use to chaos. Maybe Vashtorr would profit from a fast developing society. But their society is not chaotic at all. If they would believe a deity into being it would be one of order.
I like to think this is all a good theory but, not chaos. From the Warp but, not 'chaos' per say. The Tau say one thing and do another, they take order what will slowly lead to madness. If it is chaos, Tzeentch seems like the perfect deity to push for a 'greater good' that operates like a ideological cult or even all the deities are just tapping things to offer them tastes for future temptations, like a nurgle making a disease which defeats your enemies that you are immune or Slaneesh wooing them with her hips and four crabby arms. Maybe Chaos Undivided the faction or even an entity that isnt a god but, a parasitic spreading hive entity farming and herding souls through their small sphere of influence as etherals, growing in power the more being believe in their ideals and praise them as leaders.
interesting theory but they dont mention how A. tau are stated to have little to no warp presence and B. the tau goddess is not formed from the tau or at least not mostly from the tau but rather their axillaries such as humans who do have a warp presence and so worship gods
Ok, why would Chaos Gods make them have such a small warp presence? I could argue that Humanity was made by Tzeetch shooting a magic laser at some random ape. Humanity has a pretty big warp presence and short lifespans which makes them pretty good for feeding chaos tons of souls if these humans were to create a large empire occupying thousands if not millions of planets. We know that humanity is also pretty religious because the first time psykers appeared among them they called them witches. That is not a term secular society would use. What if humanity is the biggest Trojan horse of Chaos or what if the War in Heaven was started by Tzeetch. Tzeetch could have led Necrons to find C'tan and trick the Old Ones to create the Elder to be a certain way. Another thing about Tau. The Ethereals are actively trying to stop the worship of the Tau goddess. If they were Chaos puppets then they would just immediately worship her.
Wasn't the war in haven the reason chaos was born in the warp, so how a chaos god who was manifested centuries after the war in havenbe the cause of it ?
The theory is creative but only a hand full kinda hold it up and ngl the idea of them being chaos is so lame. What makes the tau interesting is that they don’t have a god and they are hopeful new comers in a jaded galaxy that hates everyone so a faction that breaks the norm is nice. Also the chaos gods would have no way of telling that the tau were even a thing their souls are so small that they don’t appear on the radar for demons. Those tau that went into the warp in the 4th sphere all of them lived because the demons ether didn’t notice them or didn’t care enough to kill them because trying to fuck with a taus soul is more effective then it’s worth. Not to mention that whenever the tau and chaos interact they always fight and the ethreals themselves put any kind of demon on the shoot on sight list
@@JanFWehorks fight chaos does that mean they are chaos? Tau 100% are not chaos aligned if they were they would have cults and icons of the gods everywhere but they don’t. Also even if it was just the eternals that were chaos there is no way they are either because like all the other tau they don’t have much of a soul so they are hard to mess around with and several ethreals have been captured by the imperium and even they say that don’t have a hint of chaos or warpness to them
The blood ritual isn't come kind 'splill your blood into a cauldron an drink it kind of ritual" it's more of a cutting ceremony. At the worst, I heard they literally cut the T'ua symbol on eachothers chest, pretty ahrd core, but nothing that screams blood rituals of khorne. Not to mention, Khorne would NEVER accept a fighting style like the T'au. But it's more of a bonding ceremony where they cut themselves and mix their blood to 'bond' to one another. A practice that has been fairly normal across human history. Slaanesh ain't doing nothing for the T'au cause they don't encourage ideas of lovem lust or intimacy. Or even over indulgence. Nurgle, they ain't disgusting and besides the plague that wiped out the the first race they encountered, they have no real connection to plague or disgusting stuff. The plague probably was similiar to when eurpeans came to the north america and got the natives sick. Tzeeentch is the closest god I can think, but they aren't diplicitous , often. Battle strategies like from Kouyon can be tricksy but as a whole the T'au don't seem to be a dishonest faction. infact they are almost too honest.(except the ethereals) And I doubt chaos gods want to have another chaos god to contend with, they seem to actively avoid letting a fifth chaos god exist.... unless you consider they actually wanted the emperor to turn into one. Cause four gods means the great game theoretically can't end, a new god throws that out of balance. I think it's the creation of the goddess of the greater good is total accident. The ethereals learned of this, and seemed to seriously consider killing all the auxilaries, whcih to me says the ethereals know alot more than they let on. maybe they have made a deal with chaos in the pastlike the emperor seemed to do to gain the knowledge to make the primarchs and stuff. If anyone is related to chaos it's the ethereals, the rest have no connection at all. And it might be that the ethereals are protecting the T'au from chaos. When farsight nearly got tempted by Khorne, it was mysteriously after the world eater killed all the ethereals in his forces. But he proved the t'au can resistthe call without the ethereals, and that scares them.
The obvious culprit is Tzeentch. Blue, additional arms, loves the long-con, fan of mind control and manipulation. And it makes it all the funnier that the closest Tau come to falling to Chaos is Farsight and his KHORNITE SWORD. There's some layers to this onion, Ill tell you hwut.
The Tau are not Chaos. The Tau are what Chaos was before it became Chaos. The Fire Caste (Shas) = Khorne The Earth Caste (Fio) = Nurgle The Water Caste (Por) = Tzeentch The Air Caste (Kor) = Slaanesh Now, the "how and why" of it all is a mistery, but it could be an attempt to reach some sort of status that existed BEFORE humanity messed up the Warp. Slaanesh may have been birthed by the Eldar, but Khorne and Nurgle were driven insane by Humanity. At least according to the oldest lore ... I have no idea about Tzeentch. So what if someone, or something is trying to recreate a situation that existed before the shamen of old Earth commited ritual suicide and created the Emperor? Why? I have no idea!
@@JanFWeh different situation same with mankind some say the emperor is a deamon but it’s not just fighting chaos for prides sake it’s full on hatred wanting to eradicate it
Think about this well. They have no soul. Mankind has a soul. My cat has a soul. My guitar has a soul. Angron has a soul even in demon prince form. But some how the tau have no soul, they are like gingers 😂.
according to the lore. the god of the greater good was created by the beliefs of the humans in Tau society. The Tau were kinda pissed about the whole thing actually. i actually hate the whole ethereal thing. basically the Tau were the only actual decent society in 40k. but whiny babies had to complain that the "greater good " wasn't Grimdark. so in come the brainwashing masters to taint the whole thing. i was actually happy having a faction that looked decently happy with badass mechs.
No words strike greater fear into my soul than “according to the lore”. 😂 But I dig what you mean, I guess Orks are the closest thing to happy because ya know they love some war and that’s all they got. Lol
Nah, good sound effects man, a little distracting but... The Tau have many secondary psionic/psiker species as allies. They would have realized something, in any case it would be the least bad...
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Nah, I am still going with the idea that Szarekh got bored, and simply shut down part of the local pylons after mankind found the planet of his pet project "Necrontyr but with less cancer".
I have thought this as well with the very similar physical appearance and innate technological mastery. the Ethereals are biological constructs by the toad wizards or the silent robot king. Old toad Ones cloned the original Necrontyr in a hospitable peaceful part of the galaxy and the Ethereals are necrontyr with old one DNA.
It would be pretty cool if they were designed to be vessels for biotransference. It would explain their warp presence being so thin as well, it's a design feature not a flaw.
@@deohere7647what do you mean by this?
@@FAILG0AT Bodies to possess.
I think it was a cuple of surviving old ones messing around. This is too organised for chaos.
In order for Chaos to be what it is, it must have some order within it. Would not such order be a massive change upon the galaxy?
Best uplift hypothesis. The T'au were conceived by GW as fantasy's Lizardmen in spaaaace. Those are the Old Ones' answer to Choas. They have the Great[er Good] Plan, castes, and resistance to possession.
@@johnd2058 I wholeheartedly concur, and it is a nice twist to make them the newest race, since the lizards were the oldest.
I dare you to say that to Tzeech's face!
3 issues with this theory. 1 the Tau evolved to a point of having a near cut off connection to the warp. 2 the Tau are explicitly stated by chaos to be useless to their cause as corrupting them using their souls and such is like trying to sustain off of gnats. 3 the ethereal have no warp sensitivity and the goddess only came into existence after the humans and other psychically powerful races were introduced to the greater good. The Tau scoff and are disgusted by their goddess. Tau are atheist for a reason. They can't be of the warp as they evolved to not need it due to the dire circumstances they found themselves in evolving away from psychic presence and evolving to withstand it. Now are they maybe the creations of the old ones, necrons, or who knows some other warp deity giving the species a fighting chance who knows but GW handles aliens about as well as they handle creme parfee. I don't expect it to be any form of logical, reasonable or interesting and instead just be a retcon.
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There's a flaw in your reasoning, though.
The Tau themselves are useless to the chaos gods and have a weakened connection to the warp, but they have the grand goal of absorbing every race into their ideology and society. You stated that the goddess only appeared after humans and others joined them.
The Tau are no good sustenance to Chaos as the bait is no sustenance to the fisherman. The fish, however...
I still don't believe the Tau were somehow created by chaos. I think it's more likely they're connected with the Old Ones, the necrons and the Ctan.
No, I’m just shooting in the dark here, but it’s always good to have a Plan B. lol
If you look closely, there's a Xenos race that represents a natural manifestation of every Chaos God in the 40K setting, with Necrons being the green unkillable harbingers of death, the Eldar explain themselves, and you could associate the Orks with Khorne, though I would go as far as to say that Khorne is the one Chaos God that hasn't manifested in the form of a Xenos faction (yet).
But when you look closely at the T'au, you'll begin to see "Tzeentch" written all over the walls. Ranged attacks akin to spells; the will to improve everything; the tendency to manipulate, or to be manipulated; always coming up with something new...
Countrary to the other Chaos Gods, you'd think Tzeentch would actively go out of his way to create his own Xenos faction, just to be a Contrarian, but overall the colour blue is either an unintentional invitation for him to take the wheel, or an omen that he already has. All according to plan...
Perhaps this is why the Ethereals hate Farsight and vice versa - He is the personification of Khorne.
Wears red.
Prefers Melee.
Hangs around in a group called The Eight.
@@conorslater8295 That's another tie. Khorne stealing some of the galaxy's Tzeentch out of it.
@@conorslater8295 Farsight has now been prophesied TWICE to ascend as a new Exalted of Khorne, and he canonically is now only resisting via a constant mantra in the back of his mind and the thought of what his corruption would mean to his friends in The Eight. If something ever did happen to them...well, better start running.
It literally says in the ork codex that its no coincidence that Khorne has an ork like face. All the bloodshed they caused really helped form him.
really glad this isn't the AI voice, so much better
Appreciate that!
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As a Tau player, I've always been alienated when people say they aren't grimdark. The nuances to them and the fact that you have to look below the surface to find the true horrors is what makes them so interesting to me. Thanks for making this video.
they don't need to be 'grimdark'. this need that fascist nerds have to moralize 40k politics is absolutely fucking pathetic.
the grimdark aspect of the tau is the disparity between their material conditions and their ideals. it does not get any more horrifying than this.
every single attempt to slander the character of the tau by exaggerating their internal power dynamics into atrocities and conspiracizing their motivations fundamentally misses every mark it's possible to miss and is yet more proof that fascists, before they are evil, are just fucking stupid.
That's the real issue though, having to see below the surface. Most people won't see that deep and just attach to the Tau as the one "good" faction. I've even had Tau tourists straight up deny canon lore as "Imperium propaganda"
Literally brave new world
@@thepurplebandit3859 their just playing their role in the "Greater Good"
@thepurplebandit3859 To be fair, 99.99999% of current Kelly "lore" IS Imperial propaganda.
I honestly hope GW never explains it. This is the kind of mystery that makes the game lore rich and fun. There's a band called Breaking Benjamin, and the lead singer said he will never explain his lyrics because he doesn't want to get in the way of the fans theories.
100%
They are blue. Tzeentch had an infinity to pave their path.
They are definitely blue
Former Tau player, I’ve always believed that this was the case since the warp has been proven to well affect the tau differently than other species, their ‘lowered presence’ seems more like an evolutionary trait and we all know how likely that is because of happenstance.
The theory would be good if the tau had any amount of psychic potential. The chaos god of the greater good is said to only have been spawned due to large amounts of humans accepting the greater good as a lifestyle and since they are psychically active they are the reason it exists
Very interesting, if I might add my own speculation to this creative idea: IF the emperor is the 5th chaos god, the chaos god of ‘order’ or ‘domination’ as some have said- then the chaos storm which formed in M35 has an interesting reading… it mirrors the formation of the Eye of Terror during the birth of Slaanesh. The small size of the storm is explained by the T’aus small presence in the Warp and the cause of the birth would be their civil war.
It is worth noting that at this time the Empire was undergoing a schism that split the empire in two, perhaps this is when the Emperor decided to jump ship from humans and find a new species that would unquestioningly obey his will.
With this in mind, the Greater Good isn’t a force of Chaos Undivided, but the Dark King spreading his ‘Anathema’ across the galaxy: total Undivided Order.
Emperor became a weeb, i like it lol
Emperor sitting there, "couldn't be me"
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I still hold to the idea that the Tau are a Great Deceiver Plot. It would match up with the Tau's diminished presence in the Warp too which would make them being Warp born odd to me.
Best theory I have heard of how the Tau can be recast as villainous
"Maybe the Tau really are just looking to unify the galaxy under a peaceful regime for a more prosperous future"
"For the greater good..."
I loved that implication at the end.
As a tau player I like your theory
So glad to see this!
This was so cool, the narration felt like I was getting re-educated after trying to join the Tau
I've always believed the T'au are a Tzeentch project. None of the other gods seem like the type who would give a shit about the T'au or what they stand for. Change. Progress. Scientific curiosity and a drive to understand the universe around them. These are the kind of things that are much more up Tzeentch's alley. The warp storms and the miraculous appearance of the Ethereals that would unite and deliver the T'au to the stars so quickly is too much of a coincidence for me.
You make a very salient argument however it is worth noting that all of your most persuasive arguments apply to the Imperium of Man every bit as much and that's really interesting.
Couldn’t agree more!
We actually know that Big E sold out humanity to the Ruinous Powers in exchange for his shiny new supersoldiers, so it makes sense.
Really good video and the music & sound effects are so on point, I feel like most 40 creators miss the mark by having skyrim-esque music playing in the backgrounds while they talk about the grimdark nature of 40k
I like it. True or not, these speculations and unanswered questions are one of the most fun things about 40K!
It goes pretty hard.
Only problem is that wherever Chaos takes over a planet it acts very differently then Tau. If that was one of existing gods then why it suddenly acts so differently?
Maybe this is actually what tzeentch is making with his master plan
Great explanation. I can believe it. The only thing I add is that I think the Tau found a working STC. That's how they advanced so quickly.
Excellent point!
In some codex or book ( I can´t remember where ) it is written that they found a Spaceship somewhere in their system ( I believe it was a moon ). This ship had a working warpdrive which I believe was the human colonisationship.
If they had an STC they would have produced imperial technology. This makes no sense.
@@Greatkingrat88STC are lost to time so this all could be ancient imperial tech
Nah, please don't infantilize the T'au by requiring a human-centric "uplift" to get where they are. T'au are just freaking awesome enough to invent cool stuff.
And to the other guy, yes they reverse-engineered the Slipstream Drive from a crashed Imperial ship, which took a bit of doing as none of the AdMech personnel on-board knew literally anything about how it actually worked, and all the manuals were full of useless nonsense.
Think about it, T'au now know more about how Warp engines work than a sizable portion of the faction supposedly in charge of BUILDING the things.
Honestly I think some cheeky Eldar were responsible for the creation of the Tau
Or some wandering surviving old one
@@roberthutchinson2856 Old Ones do be cheeky
Remember that Isha the Eldar goddess of harvest, fertility, nature, life, healing and growth is stuck in the warp, imprisoned by Nurgle. Idk how much influence she could have had, but in one account she seems to be the cause of rains that wash away the corruption of Nurgle. Anyway, so what if she is who caused the 'protective' warp storm and what if she is the 4-armed goddess they met in the warp?
@@bouncingbeebles Sounds like it could be some cool ass lore ngl. Isha supporting the Tau would be a interesting lore development tho Im not sure how the Eldar fans would react to that
4 castes each by each CHaos God ruled by consensus of Chaos Undivided? Nicely put, but I think it's simpler than that: we have Orcs (artificial soldiers), Eldar (artificial psychers) so which of 'regular' races are artifical ENGINEERS?
>so which of 'regular' races are artifical ENGINEERS?
I would say the Demiurg has that spot.
@@niklasdahlgren7641The Demiurg got retconned into being the Leagues of Votann, and we know that all of their engineers are actually clones working at the behest of the Votann themselves, which are all but outright stated to be Abominable Intelligences akin to the Men of Iron. COULD an Old One be behind it? Certainly, but I find it highly unlikely.
I used to joke that the battle cry of tau influenced by Slaanesh would be “for the greater goods.”
I know it’s heresy but it makes me laugh
Just getting into 40k lore and this was a decent little intro into the Tau. I dig your delivery of the info. Thanks!
First video I’ve watched and this is clearly your best yet!
your entire explenation makes me believe it's all prelude towards the new chaos god that'll be revealed in the future, one we're all VERY aware of already: The Golden God (The Emperor's personification in the warp ~ since every living, thinking being is reflected in the warp as if the warp functions like a mirror)
We all know the emperor was véry focussed on unifying everything under a single banner (being the greater good in the TAU's case).
Since all primarchs are a piece of the emperor himself, I'm going to point at the Blood Angels who also have a blood-ritual deeply engraved throughout their entire lore, while being fully sanctified by the Emperor.
But that is my take on it. Good video, gave me lots of food for speculation :D
these hermeneutics of suspicion are fucking hilarious.
lemme try: the emperor himself is a chaos mole.
....oh did i just bLoW yOuR mInD???
'order IS chaos. chaos IS order.' - literally nurgle
imagine identifying with the imperium of man but being so pathetically insecure about its politics (and totally oblivious to the history of communism) that you do a MORALIST LIBERAL CRITIQUE OF THE TAU just to make yourself feel like less of a monster.
o rly? they're just as bad as you are? that's what you've got?
they're xenos! the only good xenos &c &c &c
and yet here are, omg the blood rituals and the castes and the oligarchy blah blah blah lmfao
even the tau, the adorable little doomed materialists in a universe full of magic, demons, and gods, don't attempt to assume a moral high ground in their argumentation. they are pragmatists, not moralists - and this is 40k. anybody taking or assuming that a moral high ground exists somewhere in this setting should prolly stick to star trek.
40k absolutely 100% needed a faction of brutally pragmatic yet tragically naive stalinists. it helps pull the setting away from all the tolkien shit, and it fills a necessary role in the ideological structure of the lore.
if you think the tau are just a chaos conspiracy, you prolly still think that the imperium is intended to be satire. and that means you aren't enjoying the setting directly, you have to do it through a layer of irony to protect your beautiful soul.
sad. weaksauce. mediocre.
take off the moralizing blinders and enjoy! there is no place for idealism in the grim darkness of the far future.
I had to laugh so hard at the end but legitimately I wouldn't be surprised now with that microcosm they have going on that mirrors Chaos, if it literally is Chaos itself
You are wrong, the spirit of the tau is too weak and useless for the chaos to use it or care for it; it would serve chaos more to have the tau eliminated and replaced by humans as humans the the optimal tools to be used. The ethereals are a mystery yet I don’t see them as tools of chaos.
Unless that's the joke behind everyone needing to join them.
Tzeentch minions for sure. The Kroot even more so
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Tau hardly register in the Warp, because of their weak psychic presence.
The etireals are very similar to the eperor showing up
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Since there are currently 4 chaos Gods and the Emblem of Chaos Undivided is an 8 pointed star... are we getting 4 more Chaos Gods in the future?
The 4 we all know, the emperor, the greater good, the great horned rat (when they introduce space Skaven) and one more!
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I thought it was two points for each god. Like how Nurgle represents life and death etc. shows their duality and warped sense of what they are.
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It's partially due to the previous world of fantasy actually having more gods besides the main four. Specifically the great horned rat, and Bull god for th chaos dwarves being some of the two stronger 'lesser' gods. In Age of sigmar I believe the great hroendr at has been upgraded to a full chaos god when Slaanesh left his throne and GHR took over for a bit and got way more powerful or something. GW has never really gone out of it's way to really fill the 8 seats of the pantheon to be totally fair. Atleast as far as I know.
I would add to this a little bit. I think that it's a lesser chaos god. None of the big four. They are using the Tau because they have a small impression on the warp and so they are less likely to draw the attention of the warp. It's also important to remember that not all beings of the warp are evil and want harm. Chaos just means not controlled, and by 40k's standards, not controlled by the Imperium.
I dont think its Chaos. It looks more like evolution. At some point in time few individuals were born with the gene to control others, maybe it's just with pheromones or something similar. And that's how the Ethereals came to be.
I almost went down the pheromone rabbit hole, as that is seemingly how they institute direct control. But sounds like some chaos sh!t to me!
@@40kGoesHard no, just space Communism
bravo. I like this take. good connections and presented with humor and common sense logic true to 40k.
I just like the idea of necrons negative cancer stats
Goddamn, 40k really does go hard.
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Believing gods into existence worked out pretty well for the Eldar for 60 million years. And i cannot see the Tau being of any use to chaos. Maybe Vashtorr would profit from a fast developing society. But their society is not chaotic at all. If they would believe a deity into being it would be one of order.
This is a great video concept. Man, I believe it.
Thank you!
Are you the same guy that does Library of the Untold? Your voice is similar, but especially so is the way you speak and make points
LOL I am not but thanks?
Also the Emperor is Alpharius, the custoidans are actually Slaanesh daemons and Cato Sicarius can armwreastle a greater daemon of Khorne?
I always thought the tau were somehow protected by the old ones somehow.
I like to think this is all a good theory but, not chaos. From the Warp but, not 'chaos' per say. The Tau say one thing and do another, they take order what will slowly lead to madness. If it is chaos, Tzeentch seems like the perfect deity to push for a 'greater good' that operates like a ideological cult or even all the deities are just tapping things to offer them tastes for future temptations, like a nurgle making a disease which defeats your enemies that you are immune or Slaneesh wooing them with her hips and four crabby arms.
Maybe Chaos Undivided the faction or even an entity that isnt a god but, a parasitic spreading hive entity farming and herding souls through their small sphere of influence as etherals, growing in power the more being believe in their ideals and praise them as leaders.
Dude good editing and sound effects. Subscribe.
I like your funny words, magic man. Subbed
great premise. good presentation skills. you've got a future ahead of you. subscriber #137 here.
Wow, thank you!
interesting theory but they dont mention how A. tau are stated to have little to no warp presence and B. the tau goddess is not formed from the tau or at least not mostly from the tau but rather their axillaries such as humans who do have a warp presence and so worship gods
Man, how about those Geller fields, am I right???
Ok, why would Chaos Gods make them have such a small warp presence? I could argue that Humanity was made by Tzeetch shooting a magic laser at some random ape. Humanity has a pretty big warp presence and short lifespans which makes them pretty good for feeding chaos tons of souls if these humans were to create a large empire occupying thousands if not millions of planets. We know that humanity is also pretty religious because the first time psykers appeared among them they called them witches. That is not a term secular society would use. What if humanity is the biggest Trojan horse of Chaos or what if the War in Heaven was started by Tzeetch. Tzeetch could have led Necrons to find C'tan and trick the Old Ones to create the Elder to be a certain way.
Another thing about Tau. The Ethereals are actively trying to stop the worship of the Tau goddess. If they were Chaos puppets then they would just immediately worship her.
I need to hear more about this magic laser theory
Why would the Etherals worship Tau'va if they are aligned with another Chaos entity?
Chaos entities hate other Chaos entities (for the most part).
Wasn't the war in haven the reason chaos was born in the warp, so how a chaos god who was manifested centuries after the war in havenbe the cause of it ?
Great video
I so enjoy a good rant. Very fun.
Not to mention the vespian, who the Tau mind controlled
agree to disagree
Weren’t they made to be a direct foil to the grimdark universe.
Isn’t that why they were hated by the community
Good video
Way too much of a stretch
When someone utters the line "for the greater good" you should be afraid, very afraid. Unfortunately, people rarely learn from history.
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And the grimdark future gets grimmer still.
9:18 EXACTLY, Jesus Christ, you nail it, I agree 100% with this.
Lmaooo
Holy shit I love this theory
The path to hell is paved with good intentions...
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The theory is creative but only a hand full kinda hold it up and ngl the idea of them being chaos is so lame. What makes the tau interesting is that they don’t have a god and they are hopeful new comers in a jaded galaxy that hates everyone so a faction that breaks the norm is nice. Also the chaos gods would have no way of telling that the tau were even a thing their souls are so small that they don’t appear on the radar for demons. Those tau that went into the warp in the 4th sphere all of them lived because the demons ether didn’t notice them or didn’t care enough to kill them because trying to fuck with a taus soul is more effective then it’s worth. Not to mention that whenever the tau and chaos interact they always fight and the ethreals themselves put any kind of demon on the shoot on sight list
Chaos constantly fights Chaos. Therefore not a convincing counterargument.
Maybe we don't even know the Chaos entity they are aligned to.
@@JanFWehorks fight chaos does that mean they are chaos? Tau 100% are not chaos aligned if they were they would have cults and icons of the gods everywhere but they don’t. Also even if it was just the eternals that were chaos there is no way they are either because like all the other tau they don’t have much of a soul so they are hard to mess around with and several ethreals have been captured by the imperium and even they say that don’t have a hint of chaos or warpness to them
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For the greater good *monotone voice*
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The blood ritual isn't come kind 'splill your blood into a cauldron an drink it kind of ritual" it's more of a cutting ceremony. At the worst, I heard they literally cut the T'ua symbol on eachothers chest, pretty ahrd core, but nothing that screams blood rituals of khorne. Not to mention, Khorne would NEVER accept a fighting style like the T'au. But it's more of a bonding ceremony where they cut themselves and mix their blood to 'bond' to one another. A practice that has been fairly normal across human history.
Slaanesh ain't doing nothing for the T'au cause they don't encourage ideas of lovem lust or intimacy. Or even over indulgence.
Nurgle, they ain't disgusting and besides the plague that wiped out the the first race they encountered, they have no real connection to plague or disgusting stuff. The plague probably was similiar to when eurpeans came to the north america and got the natives sick.
Tzeeentch is the closest god I can think, but they aren't diplicitous , often. Battle strategies like from Kouyon can be tricksy but as a whole the T'au don't seem to be a dishonest faction. infact they are almost too honest.(except the ethereals) And I doubt chaos gods want to have another chaos god to contend with, they seem to actively avoid letting a fifth chaos god exist.... unless you consider they actually wanted the emperor to turn into one. Cause four gods means the great game theoretically can't end, a new god throws that out of balance.
I think it's the creation of the goddess of the greater good is total accident. The ethereals learned of this, and seemed to seriously consider killing all the auxilaries, whcih to me says the ethereals know alot more than they let on. maybe they have made a deal with chaos in the pastlike the emperor seemed to do to gain the knowledge to make the primarchs and stuff. If anyone is related to chaos it's the ethereals, the rest have no connection at all. And it might be that the ethereals are protecting the T'au from chaos.
When farsight nearly got tempted by Khorne, it was mysteriously after the world eater killed all the ethereals in his forces. But he proved the t'au can resistthe call without the ethereals, and that scares them.
could you share the music you use in your videos.
Yes! They are all original tracks I made I can post them.
EQUALITY FOR THE GREATER GOOD
SERVITUDE TO THE TAU'VA
The obvious culprit is Tzeentch. Blue, additional arms, loves the long-con, fan of mind control and manipulation.
And it makes it all the funnier that the closest Tau come to falling to Chaos is Farsight and his KHORNITE SWORD. There's some layers to this onion, Ill tell you hwut.
I’ll tell you hhwwwhut
No I don't think so bro. But nice theory craft though.
The Tau are not Chaos.
The Tau are what Chaos was before it became Chaos.
The Fire Caste (Shas) = Khorne
The Earth Caste (Fio) = Nurgle
The Water Caste (Por) = Tzeentch
The Air Caste (Kor) = Slaanesh
Now, the "how and why" of it all is a mistery, but it could be an attempt to reach some sort of status that existed BEFORE humanity messed up the Warp. Slaanesh may have been birthed by the Eldar, but Khorne and Nurgle were driven insane by Humanity. At least according to the oldest lore ... I have no idea about Tzeentch.
So what if someone, or something is trying to recreate a situation that existed before the shamen of old Earth commited ritual suicide and created the Emperor?
Why? I have no idea!
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None of their tech is even remotely warp like and they always fighting chaos I think your reaching here bro
And Chaos would never fight Chaos, right?
What kind of argument is that supposed to be?
@@JanFWeh different situation same with mankind some say the emperor is a deamon but it’s not just fighting chaos for prides sake it’s full on hatred wanting to eradicate it
@@turtl3playz303 The Tau stated they want to eradicate Chaos? What's your source?
They _outwardly_ don't even grasp what Chaos is.
Giving up your identity for the greater good? Or being a cog in the shit hole of the imperium of man? Yeah greater good for 200 Alex.
Annnd that’s todays daily double
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The greater good
The emperor is a golden deceiver c'tan. Horus was right.
I love how dramatic this video is loool
😂 but you all know we are the good guys.
Think about this well.
They have no soul.
Mankind has a soul.
My cat has a soul.
My guitar has a soul.
Angron has a soul even in demon prince form.
But some how the tau have no soul, they are like gingers 😂.
Why do I feel like the guitar wrote this…
NOOOOOOO!!!!
Tau are tzeentch chattle
Bro you sounded like a genuine imperial's citizen, xenophobic 🗿
Is that heresy I smell?
Your points fit more with the imperium than the tau
ORKS IZ DA BEZT
Hell yeah 🤘
Forgot to mention the god created in the warp was due to humans being present....
Blue skin = Tzeentch its simple 😅
according to the lore. the god of the greater good was created by the beliefs of the humans in Tau society. The Tau were kinda pissed about the whole thing actually. i actually hate the whole ethereal thing. basically the Tau were the only actual decent society in 40k. but whiny babies had to complain that the "greater good " wasn't Grimdark. so in come the brainwashing masters to taint the whole thing. i was actually happy having a faction that looked decently happy with badass mechs.
No words strike greater fear into my soul than “according to the lore”. 😂 But I dig what you mean, I guess Orks are the closest thing to happy because ya know they love some war and that’s all they got. Lol
Tau do not belong in the Wh40 k universe..
their addition was a mistake, and it is now way to late to retconn them out
Nah, good sound effects man, a little distracting but...
The Tau have many secondary psionic/psiker species as allies. They would have realized something, in any case it would be the least bad...
With that logic wouldn’t the emperor definitely have just killed Horus before he started listening to slipknot?
@@40kGoesHardNot if you suppose that Horus's betrayal was meant to happen for the Emperor to final rise as a God of Chaos
Tau souls are microscopic compared to human or eldar. Chaos would not breed a food source that has such a paltry sustenance amount. Sorry
Interesting point, and you have a good voice. But please don't use gay titles