Sorry for the infrequent uploads, just been getting nearly every virus under the sun in australia lol... after the food poisoning i got some other crap now....
Bro my wife somehow caught Influenza A (bird flu) and spread it myself and our 4 kids. Covid has nothing on bird flu bro. Holy moly its bad. Didnt know we had bird flu here in Oz
Bro you totally banged out allot of content in 1 video. Take care and watch your health, enjoy time with your family. I can spend 3 hours cleaning a single gpu and testing easily that works. Thanks for your time and effort.
Hi Bryan, its Benjamin. The CPU I had installed in didn't seem to have any bent pins, it worked fine in another motherboard and also inserted properly. Regardless its good to see it working well and that you've gotten good use out of it.
Hi Bryan, hi Benjamin, I had issues with a Ryzen where all USB were working fine. But as soon as Windows returned from suspended mode some USB ports were no longer working. After a full restart everything was fine again.
Weird that one man, I did give it a multi purpose and blow out on the socket quickly. and you bought it used.. off gumtree correct? If so perhaps the person before you snapped a pin off in there and then the Tech yes lovin got the pin out.
YOUR METHOD WORKS 100% for me...Just looking at that multipurpose spray reminds me when last year after watching Bryan's video on this method, I fixed my evga 1080ti with some Tech Yes Lovin, I stripped the card after having artifacts and black screen, I used brake cleaner, then a heat gun as per instructed by Bryan, then let it cool and sprayed it with multipurpose spray and cleaned die with alcohol, repasted reassembled and BOOM! Bryan you saved me $600 as it was a recent purchace, also last week with my 5700xt no boot, same thing BOOM! all good now mate, I have also redeemed a 750ti, the Tech Yes lovin method has me 3 from 3 so far and I am stoked, keep up the vids mate I'm all for the redemption of being sold bad gpus and coming out on top haha
Appreciate the time and effort you put into these vids, must take ages to do all the testing for what usually works out to not much success. They are very enjoyable to watch as well as educational!
I bought 2x3600s in October of 2019 while changing my pc and my wife's, the two proved to be faulty, RMA'd the first quite quickly, the replacement also was faulty, ended up RMA them a little later and had two "recently manufactured" 3600s instead, which now work fine. "Early" 3600s are notoriously causing problems (mostly odd BSOD) and more and more of them are going to be on the used market as everyone starts to change their rig.
My 3600 is just getting worser over time, it just doesn't want to boost as it did when new. The only good thing is... instead of 88 watt on full load it doesn't pull more then ~60 now.
@@freevideos051 I remember watching a Gamers Nexus video about differencies in 3600 silicon quality that finished to convince me that the CPU was the issue in my troubleshooting process, video in which a 2019 3600 was compared to a mid 2020 one. I can't say about newer ones except the fact that the last RMA i did on a ryzen 3600 gave me a end-of-2021 chip that has yet to cause any trouble. It runs perfectly fine at advertised clock speeds and voltage.
Debated leaving this comment as I fear it might fall on deaf ears. If you use HiveOS (yes, a crypto mining OS), you can boot in something called “service mode” I believe it is. In service mode, you can see the gpus attached to the system and flash bios on them (very, very easy in hiveOS) WITHOUT initializing the driver, bypassing the card crashing prematurely before you can flash the bios. I also believe this method can be used to flash gpus that have had the wrong bios flashed on them and are “bricked”, if I’m not mistaken. Edit: it’s “maintenance” mode.
I had a bad Ryzen 5 5500 just a month ago that started crashing and later freezing all together with in 30 seconds. After replacing everything else and still having the problem, changed the processor and so far it is ok. So it is nice and sad to see others having the same problem with Ryzen CPU's and not being a special one off case.
Tech Yes City has been doing vids like this way before Greg jumped into it. Ask him, he enjoys doing it, and so does Bryan. Comments like yours manages to drive good friends apart. They both pump out great content helping many. I do it also in my personal time for friends nd family. 1 pc can consume so much time and effort stress etc.
When I upgraded from a 6700K to a 5900X AMD's claims that the high voltages and 90C was by design and it wouldn't affect the lifespan of your chip during its warranty period set alarm bells ringing because I want the CPU to last a lot longer than 3 years. So I've had it undervolted and slightly underclocked since day one.
The issues you had with the Amd cpu was also came up in @GregSalazar fix or flop series. A few of the cpus were having major issues. It's crazy since they really aren't that old.
That was expected, a lot of guys were pushing those 3600 to 4.2ghz with high voltages around 1.4 or even more, that was a misunderstanding as amd said 1.4 was safe but only for the boost clock with one core not the whole cpu running 24/7 with such voltages, degradation was highly expected, at least you can still use them with lower clocks.
It's definitely endemic , I suggest avoiding like the plague these used cpu chips from this era, instead go to Microcenter and buy a new ryzen cpu motherboard combo also pick a tower air cooler or a 240 liquid cooler, and check your cpu temps everytime you play a game.
Hi Bry 🥰👋 glad you got my CPUs, misc cables, mouse etc 🥰👍. Thought you could put them to vg use in your PCs you sell etc 🤗👍. A quick side note: I’ve gotten myself, in the past, 6 ‘dead’ gpus and with a TYClean revived 3 of them perfectly fine and a fourth with a simple HDMI port failure but the DisplayPort and DVI worked perfectly fine 😇👍🥳. So a 2/3 success rate of saving gpus which I’m very happy about. It’s amazing how a dirty connector is all that stops many people enjoying their GPU (unnecessarily) and they try and either sell it cheap or toss it 🤦🤦♂🤦♀
Lowering frequency helps for some problems with CPU, GPU and RAM. They may be degraded after overclock and overvoltage. Sometimes it also works works broken BGA (inside chips and under it), VIAs or traces in PCB. Broken BGA can be fixed with reballing or just reheating. The worst case are broken VIAs between PCB layers and broken or shorted traces (they are hard to detect and repair).
That's what I said in my comment too. Having to lower clocks to find stability is often times a problem with the solder connections. The chips don't go bad from memory overclocking on GPUs, it's the memory controller. Unless there is a problem with the vBIOS that pushes too much voltage to the chips.
@@granolafunk6192 the too much voltage was the problem on my r5 3600x, together with high voltage on memory and unstable divers in the beginning of my 5700XT.
4:26 ..... *Did you noticed that Core-2 is running extremely hot, compared to the other cores ?* I think you can easily fix this, by re-solder the IHS ! Maybe there is some cracking under it ?
that is not core 2, just HWinfo not having sensible names for those temperature inputs. Core temps would be a bit lower, but it only shows the hottest one in the video. I Just don't believe his other cores were never hotter than 33°C ;)
this makes me really wary of buying 2nd hand cpus. Imagine buying an used cpu,only to end up with a destroyed mobo that was working perfectly fine earlier.
When trying to flash/test a gpu but you're having issues with it crashing out within a couple minutes of boot be sure to disconnect from the internet. Often times it's Windows poking at the GPU to determine what driver to download and apply that causes that issue. Just have your bios and software predownloaded. And/or use a Linux system (or usb bootable) to do the same.
I never would have expected a CPU to kill a mobo either... then I had a 3rd gen i3 kill two motherboards. But I couldn't even get them to post, even after removing it. Fans just spin up to full blast, so it's like it completely corrupted the BIOS. Never even heard of anything like that before.
My fiance's i5 8400 rig started having blue screens at stock settings and I had to up the offset voltage to make it stable. I'm still not sure if it was a CPU or motherboard issue but I was able to sell it off for an okay price while letting the buyer know the issue and got an amazing deal on a 11400/mobo to put in my fiance's rig.
Thanks for saving my new 3600 build🤣 Gd thing i found this video, because knowing of the potential problems due to over heating from OC out of the box, I can change the settings on this new Ryzen5 3600 before those settings do damage. I forgot to tell you, back in Nov. or Dec for $90. that new RX580 8gb from MLLSE China that just went into AMD5 3600 box the one I'll be using your videos to cool down.
I only bought my Ryzen 3600 as a stop gap CPU because it was the middle of the worldwide pandemic. (It was going for $200 at the time and I did not have the money to buy something newer since I was replacing my FX system.) So if it develops a problem in a couple years I will have some idea on how to get it working again now. Thanks!
🙂check your temps on a daily basis and update the bios and go into the bios and see what the default settings are, maybe you can turn it down a bit for a longer life
For polaris gpus you can customize bios your self and flash it with that. If it was used for mining, then it has customized bios and it won't work for gaming. Just flash it with default bios. As I said if you don't have default bios, you can make it on your own. Take any bios editor and input default values. I personally use all 3 editors, since each have something that other don't. It takes little more time but when I finish it's all covered. Also, polaris can be undervolted and powerlimited from bios very easy, so you don't have worry if you sell it someone will temper with your software uv and pl...
Exaclty is strange that he didn't know that, AMD cards are so known for this. Maybe later he'll try. Also changing memory modules is becoming more known and doable.
I have had similar kind of experience with one of my customer's Intel Pentium 4 2.4 GHz prescot presser & Intel 865GBF motherboard 18 years back. That processor was a motherboard killer, in the process of diagnosis, I ended up with another broken Intel 845GVSR motherboard. I still keep the processor and motherboard with me as a memento. In my 20 year career that was the lone incident of Broken Intel processor, by the way in India we often encountered with faulty AMD processor those days.
Great effort put into those videos! I think motherboards with external BCLK generators often have a higher resistance in changing BCLK regardless of OC or underclock. Maybe try some high-end Asus ROG Maximus Z series boards or some MSI B series Mortar boards.
I had a problem with a GTX 980 I picked up, it was over heating 91c and the blower fan ramping up like mad yet the temps was find at idle. I tried an under clock that didn't work in the end, I lowered the power draw but 3% and it's now fine under 80c and the fan no longer goes mad.
Hey Brian, I was wondering if its an issue that my rx 5700xt doesn't post when I flick it's switch on the gpu to the silent bios mode but works normally on the OC mode
I was thinking about upgrading my computer to AMD but you are saying there are issues with 7000 series more to come and I been hearing about issues with 3000 series as well makes me feel uneasy ...I guest this companies are pushing higher clocks and running this cpus requiring more voltage...creating more heat.thank you for the great content....
My 5800X was "faulty" out of the box (tested thoroughly with default RAM settings). To fix I had to increase LLC or add some voltage on two cores and it worked just fine. I decided to downclock it to the advertised 4.7 GHz with a huge undervolt. Lost some single core performance, gained a lot of all core performance though (4.7 Ghz all core at around 1.275v with LLC2 Asus MB ... passed prime95 and y cruncher, 8 hours each; with almost all cores at -30 in curve optimizer). Since I only have a RX 6700 XT, this was quite a win win for me. Took some time though and shame on AMD to sell cpus that throw out errors out of the box...runs in games below 45 degrees...
I need some help from the pc community. I have a 5950x that when I seat it into my mobo it goes dead. I also have a 5900x and the system works. In live in the USA. Can I send it somewhere for repair or is it just done for?
7:15 re the bricked motherboard try removing the Bios battery but also the ram then power it on without any ram obviously it won't post but this can reset it. I've bought a few back to life this way. I can't explain how but it's kind of my last ditch attempt with any board and it has worked a few times.
Because RAM can hold information, maybe it still holds some information that's stopping the board from booting properly and by powering it up without the RAM it resets it don't know but deffo worth a try.
Why don't you purchase a 20$ BIOS flasher, it would allow you to flash any card regardless of the BCLK or whatever. Should be a really useful piece of kit for you.
I don't think AMD is driving these CPUs hard out of the box. Even PBO is safe, I don't care if it's pushing 1.5v *at low loads*. Most likely the user degraded it by overclocking it with unsafe settings. All of these CPUs are unlocked and can be overclocked on any cheap B450 board.
1:35 could have a lot to do with the stock thermal paste on the AMD coolers. I've had a few where it sets like cement and is almost impossible to separate the CPU from the cooler after 6 months or so use.... And it's gone hard then it's not gonna be thermally conductive anymore.... With the spire and prism coolers I've ripped a few Ryzen straight out of the socket Coz they were stuck to the bottom of the cooler.
At 17:33 I think you called BCLK or bus clock the "host clock" and it confused me for a few minutes. This is a great trick, lowering BCLK, because I've "fixed" lots of graphics cards by lowering vram and core clocks before, but never even thought of lowering BCLK which is a great idea for flashing a new bios or whatever so thanks for that.
I have several AMD motherboards that have been bricked by the Ryzen 3600 CPU's. Not sure what happened other than I was moving the CPU's around. They worked fine in one machine but then bricked the other MOB's. When I would try and put them back in the original MOB the CPU bricked the board as well. 🤔🤔😒😒
I have an Asus ROG Crosshair VI extreme board here, and out of curiosity I went and had a go at lowering the BCLK, I got it to 89 but anything under that and it wouldnt boot. Im not selling it, but I am on the GC.
(Code 43), DOH - lol -. The last 1080 has a power rail missing. From memory CPUs have low voltage high current VRMs. Maybe the 7400 shorted and blew a VRM - CPUs have low resistance to GND so it might be hard to see with a DMM(digital multi meter), ie, a short 0 ohms, a working CPU maybe 6 ohm -.
this is exactly when i get computer parts from recycle, I have test motherboards that are working but like the crappiest ones like an H series board where even its bios looks like its from 1998 just incase I run into a graphics card or cpu that could kill the board,even use a low end PSU for them. my low end PSU i use is the EVGA 600w which is just 80+ some people refer to 80+ white
My second-hand 3700X dropped a memory channel. "B" channel. I was stuck at 1-channel (Dimm Slots A1 & A2). The IMC (integrated memory controller) dropped a channel. I replaced it with a (second-hand) 2600X and I've been fine since, but, it does give me pause when it comes to overclocking . . well, any part of my system. I was able to OC my memory to 3733MT/s with repeatable reboots, using the 2600x, but, I settled on 3400MT/s as a stable Mem-OC. My timings are 16-16-16-38 @ 1.385v . . and it holds stable there. But, I DO worry that I'm pushing my 2600X's IMC too hard. I really want to get a Ryzen R5 5500, as it should have a superior APU IMC. I should be able to get to that magic 3733MT/s mem speed and keep it stable. Maybe even hold 15-15-15-36 stable. Of course 3800MT/s at cl18 timings holds stable too. I would like to note that I have better luck OC'ing my system using my Linux boot drive than I do my Windows 10 boot drive. But that has just been my experience, ymmv. Regardless, Best wishes good tidings from the Great State of Alaska. 🥶if you decide to visit the state, bring a quality blanket. 🍺Cheers!
I have got a R5 3600 for 3 years and from day one OC to 4.2 mhz and here I am... still on this pc with no problem! I just think you got unlucky on that cpu!
I have two Ryzen 5 CPUs a 2600 and a 3600. The 3600 won't post at all. The 2600 would freeze in multiple B450 boards but seems to OK in an A520 which officially doesn't support 2000 series CPU's! Not sure if its a couple of dodgy PCI lanes and the A520 doesn't use them.
my friend had a 3600 for 3 years. his died after near end of warranty. but he was lucky he had one month. I never had any issues with my 3600 when i had it. though i did zero overclocking. still clocks at advertised speeds since day one. I sold it to someone else to enjoy!
I experienced a cpu killing motherboards (or viceversa), what was worse was that it copied the problem, the dead motherboards would kill working CPUs, so using any of those components would kill working components. Mayhem until I realized what was happening. It was on Intel Slot 1 platform = many years ago.
Early samples of R5 3600 were problematic. Ran hot (about 75°C with 120mm tower cooler, with occasional jumps to 84°C - a friend of mine had these jumps to 89°C), not reaching boost clocks, PBO did nothing except increasing temperatures, etc. It took AMD a while, until they refined 7nm process to yield better results. Also, what PBO does, is pushing big voltage into the CPU, while clocks are mostly lower, than if you tried manual all-core OC.
@Lurch that´s what AMD did with 7000 series. They pushed 170W into CPUs not caring for diminishing returns - each overclocker will eventually reach a point, when they must add a lot of voltage to get a minor jump in frequency, but performance increase gets lower as well. It has been proven, when ECO modes were introduced and those CPUs could´ve been locked to either 105 or 65W. 7950X locked to 105W no longer boosted past 5GHz, but performance dropped slightly and temperatures fell down significantly. I´m also quite curious about the endurance of all X3D chips - after all, they run even warmer than standard chips, while having lower clocks.
i have a 3600, i dont get bsods and can use the pc fine, but i get crashes up to multiple times a day and staticy audio leading up to it ? replaced my psu still getting it i dont know
The piece on the R5 3600 is interesting because my system shuts down sometimes when I boot it up. The manufacturer of my motherboard will show up on screen and it just shuts down. Sometimes I get the bsod after logging in Mine is only two years old bought in Nov. 2020 My motherboard is a MSI B550 Pro-VDH I don’t think much of it and just power the system on again but am wondering if at some point I’ll have to replace CPU because of these issues
When does the CPU start to freeze? Right after installations? Have a PC getting built using the 3600, with an MSI B550 board. I am not a big gamer, so not worried about over-clocking. Ok want to watch your other video on the same topic. Thank you 🤓
I've had the 3600 since launch and it hasn't degraded yet. I always run it with a dynamic VID offset at -0.72 mV. Stock voltages were just too high that's the reason why I did a undervolt.
I bought mine In 2021. I did notice the vcore was hitting 1.440v which definitely is way to high. I disabled all the PBOs that were in the bios. That dropped it to 1.328v. But I might do what you did and see what happens.
@@SlyDive700 Of course this was a lot of trial and error on my part. I had to do CMOS resets just to find this offset. Also a typo it's actually -0.072 mV.
🤔 so Ryzen chips are failing due to heat and volts, ok that makes sense, so avoid them if they are used, sounds similar to used gpu mining chips. I assume if u buy it new you should be ok, just get a beefy cooler and tweak the bios a bit. Thanks for the tests and explanation, makes alot of sense.
Brian do you use a multimeter to check for shorts on the main power rails before you plug into a motherboard because you can fry ur motherboard or corrupt the bios if you don't and also make the gpu unrepairable ?
I set my ryzen 5 3600 to 3.6Ghz @ 1.150v. Anything above 3.6Ghz crashes/BSOD even if I increase the voltage. It won't freeze on BIOS, only on windows. Updated to latest BIOS version but still crashes beyond 3.6Ghz. Really weird. My mobo is Asrock B550m-HDV with TeamGroup Dark Za 16gb 3200Mhz CL16 with hynix chip. I have a PCCooler Corona GI-X3B with 3 heatpipes rated at 125W. Max temp is 65C during 30mins of CB R23 with this settings.
I'd like a video about the Ryzen 5 3600. From my tests PBO was basically useless so I just disable it and do a undervolt. I've heard about p-state overclocking which I'd like to do but my motherboard's settings for that are HEX(?) value based black magic, for instance the VID is "48" (???)
I’ve found that it is the weak memory controller on the 3600’s that is the main problem. I have one that randomly crashes on every motherboard except one that it works fine on.
I just swaped my old 3600 for an 5700x. When i took some shots from CPU-Z before the change, te voltages of the 3600 were over 1.4V stock (i never used PBO). I have a MSI B550 Tomahawk. I think those voltages were "normal" for the first run of zen 2. I got my 3600 at launch.
Yea ryzen at stock for whatever reason just gets pumped with voltage lmao. Its honestly a good idea to pbo with a negative offset on the vf curve just to get lower voltage at the same clock speeds with no frequency offset
Sorry for the infrequent uploads, just been getting nearly every virus under the sun in australia lol... after the food poisoning i got some other crap now....
Do not pin comments
Bro my wife somehow caught Influenza A (bird flu) and spread it myself and our 4 kids. Covid has nothing on bird flu bro. Holy moly its bad. Didnt know we had bird flu here in Oz
Take care of yourself.
The most important thing is your safe recovery Bryan, don’t get the stress get to you and take care!
Bro you totally banged out allot of content in 1 video. Take care and watch your health, enjoy time with your family. I can spend 3 hours cleaning a single gpu and testing easily that works. Thanks for your time and effort.
One of my friends told me RX 580 is obsolete and I almost slapped him.
Hi Bryan, its Benjamin.
The CPU I had installed in didn't seem to have any bent pins, it worked fine in another motherboard and also inserted properly. Regardless its good to see it working well and that you've gotten good use out of it.
Hi Bryan, hi Benjamin,
I had issues with a Ryzen where all USB were working fine. But as soon as Windows returned from suspended mode some USB ports were no longer working. After a full restart everything was fine again.
Hey tommy if it's a b350 board it could be that you usb controller is acting up if it isn't that did you install the motherboard drivers?
Weird that one man, I did give it a multi purpose and blow out on the socket quickly. and you bought it used.. off gumtree correct? If so perhaps the person before you snapped a pin off in there and then the Tech yes lovin got the pin out.
YOUR METHOD WORKS 100% for me...Just looking at that multipurpose spray reminds me when last year after watching Bryan's video on this method, I fixed my evga 1080ti with some Tech Yes Lovin, I stripped the card after having artifacts and black screen, I used brake cleaner, then a heat gun as per instructed by Bryan, then let it cool and sprayed it with multipurpose spray and cleaned die with alcohol, repasted reassembled and BOOM! Bryan you saved me $600 as it was a recent purchace, also last week with my 5700xt no boot, same thing BOOM! all good now mate, I have also redeemed a 750ti, the Tech Yes lovin method has me 3 from 3 so far and I am stoked, keep up the vids mate I'm all for the redemption of being sold bad gpus and coming out on top haha
Good job, mate
don't let it turn off!
The fix may be only temporary tho. Let's hope it doesn't break too soon xD
@@gaucovyaero better than a dead card
@@luked.48 haha surprisingly cards are good, and again its better than a dead card, like Bryan said its last resort and only when all else fails
Something new I learned.
Who would've thought that BCKL underclocking would be helpfull diagnosing broken hardware.
Appreciate the time and effort you put into these vids, must take ages to do all the testing for what usually works out to not much success. They are very enjoyable to watch as well as educational!
How could a 3600 degrade so quickly??? I ran a 4770k overclocked for the better part of a decade, no issues...
They boost to 1.4v on stock settings lol
I bought 2x3600s in October of 2019 while changing my pc and my wife's, the two proved to be faulty, RMA'd the first quite quickly, the replacement also was faulty, ended up RMA them a little later and had two "recently manufactured" 3600s instead, which now work fine. "Early" 3600s are notoriously causing problems (mostly odd BSOD) and more and more of them are going to be on the used market as everyone starts to change their rig.
My 3600 is just getting worser over time, it just doesn't want to boost as it did when new. The only good thing is... instead of 88 watt on full load it doesn't pull more then ~60 now.
Is it just 3600s or all 3xxx series Ryzen?
@@agdgdgwngo I can't say for sure, it may be related to silicone quality so ... probably less problems on higher chips, can't know for sure
Do you know the date when they changed the 3600 to a more reliable CPU?
@@freevideos051 I remember watching a Gamers Nexus video about differencies in 3600 silicon quality that finished to convince me that the CPU was the issue in my troubleshooting process, video in which a 2019 3600 was compared to a mid 2020 one. I can't say about newer ones except the fact that the last RMA i did on a ryzen 3600 gave me a end-of-2021 chip that has yet to cause any trouble. It runs perfectly fine at advertised clock speeds and voltage.
Debated leaving this comment as I fear it might fall on deaf ears. If you use HiveOS (yes, a crypto mining OS), you can boot in something called “service mode” I believe it is. In service mode, you can see the gpus attached to the system and flash bios on them (very, very easy in hiveOS) WITHOUT initializing the driver, bypassing the card crashing prematurely before you can flash the bios.
I also believe this method can be used to flash gpus that have had the wrong bios flashed on them and are “bricked”, if I’m not mistaken.
Edit: it’s “maintenance” mode.
Frisbee that cursed i5 7400 Bryan. Love the content my friend
7:02 “you’re device ram into a pro” is right, Tech Yes Bryan is a professional in the tech lore
I had a bad Ryzen 5 5500 just a month ago that started crashing and later freezing all together with in 30 seconds. After replacing everything else and still having the problem, changed the processor and so far it is ok. So it is nice and sad to see others having the same problem with Ryzen CPU's and not being a special one off case.
Yay! More of these! Greg really had the right idea with his Fix or Flop series. I hope more tech YT'ers adopt this.
Tech Yes City has been doing vids like this way before Greg jumped into it. Ask him, he enjoys doing it, and so does Bryan. Comments like yours manages to drive good friends apart. They both pump out great content helping many. I do it also in my personal time for friends nd family. 1 pc can consume so much time and effort stress etc.
When I upgraded from a 6700K to a 5900X AMD's claims that the high voltages and 90C was by design and it wouldn't affect the lifespan of your chip during its warranty period set alarm bells ringing because I want the CPU to last a lot longer than 3 years. So I've had it undervolted and slightly underclocked since day one.
90c?? What cooler were you using
@@EthernetDasCoisas I wasn't getting 90C more like low to mid 80's it's just AMD said high voltages and 90C was fine ... Cooler is NH-D14
@@raya4633 I use curve optimizer with a negative 20 setting to undervolt.
The issues you had with the Amd cpu was also came up in @GregSalazar fix or flop series. A few of the cpus were having major issues. It's crazy since they really aren't that old.
That was expected, a lot of guys were pushing those 3600 to 4.2ghz with high voltages around 1.4 or even more, that was a misunderstanding as amd said 1.4 was safe but only for the boost clock with one core not the whole cpu running 24/7 with such voltages, degradation was highly expected, at least you can still use them with lower clocks.
@@el_tio_apoca8014 not only that, but many people did this on the stock wraith stealth cooler the CPU came with.
It's definitely endemic , I suggest avoiding like the plague these used cpu chips from this era, instead go to Microcenter and buy a new ryzen cpu motherboard combo also pick a tower air cooler or a 240 liquid cooler, and check your cpu temps everytime you play a game.
@@MrSamadolfo lol, why would you change your motherboard and still buy amd, just go intel... wtf, stop spreading nonsense
@@thepirate4095 what nonsense?
awesome i was thinking this series was done for but no its back!!!!
Hi Bry 🥰👋 glad you got my CPUs, misc cables, mouse etc 🥰👍. Thought you could put them to vg use in your PCs you sell etc 🤗👍. A quick side note: I’ve gotten myself, in the past, 6 ‘dead’ gpus and with a TYClean revived 3 of them perfectly fine and a fourth with a simple HDMI port failure but the DisplayPort and DVI worked perfectly fine 😇👍🥳. So a 2/3 success rate of saving gpus which I’m very happy about. It’s amazing how a dirty connector is all that stops many people enjoying their GPU (unnecessarily) and they try and either sell it cheap or toss it 🤦🤦♂🤦♀
Love your videos, this little peek gave me a good laugh @15:57 (nice PJ pants :D
I like that you brought a couple of the GPU's back to life but it does suck when you have to lower their performance to get them to work..
Lowering frequency helps for some problems with CPU, GPU and RAM. They may be degraded after overclock and overvoltage. Sometimes it also works works broken BGA (inside chips and under it), VIAs or traces in PCB. Broken BGA can be fixed with reballing or just reheating. The worst case are broken VIAs between PCB layers and broken or shorted traces (they are hard to detect and repair).
That's what I said in my comment too.
Having to lower clocks to find stability is often times a problem with the solder connections. The chips don't go bad from memory overclocking on GPUs, it's the memory controller.
Unless there is a problem with the vBIOS that pushes too much voltage to the chips.
@@granolafunk6192 the too much voltage was the problem on my r5 3600x, together with high voltage on memory and unstable divers in the beginning of my 5700XT.
Can YES fix it? YES we CAN!
So much fun doing work like this.. cheers.
I've got great results from sandblasting my parts with a short dishwasher cycle then bake at 375 until golden brown.
4:26 ..... *Did you noticed that Core-2 is running extremely hot, compared to the other cores ?*
I think you can easily fix this, by re-solder the IHS ! Maybe there is some cracking under it ?
that is not core 2, just HWinfo not having sensible names for those temperature inputs. Core temps would be a bit lower, but it only shows the hottest one in the video. I Just don't believe his other cores were never hotter than 33°C ;)
this makes me really wary of buying 2nd hand cpus. Imagine buying an used cpu,only to end up with a destroyed mobo that was working perfectly fine earlier.
When trying to flash/test a gpu but you're having issues with it crashing out within a couple minutes of boot be sure to disconnect from the internet. Often times it's Windows poking at the GPU to determine what driver to download and apply that causes that issue. Just have your bios and software predownloaded. And/or use a Linux system (or usb bootable) to do the same.
Yes, I do too. Since I never connect to Internet I download firmware + software to an USB from another PC.
Ive missed this series. glad to see it back
I never would have expected a CPU to kill a mobo either... then I had a 3rd gen i3 kill two motherboards. But I couldn't even get them to post, even after removing it. Fans just spin up to full blast, so it's like it completely corrupted the BIOS. Never even heard of anything like that before.
yeah i was surprised, first time I have seen a mobo destroyer.
My fiance's i5 8400 rig started having blue screens at stock settings and I had to up the offset voltage to make it stable. I'm still not sure if it was a CPU or motherboard issue but I was able to sell it off for an okay price while letting the buyer know the issue and got an amazing deal on a 11400/mobo to put in my fiance's rig.
i have an 11400 and a 12400, they seem pretty decent and pretty close to each other.
please do a dedicated topic on ryzen and the quirks it has, mainly 2nd and 3rd gen
Thanks for saving my new 3600 build🤣
Gd thing i found this video, because knowing of the potential problems due to over heating from OC out of the box, I can change the settings on this new Ryzen5 3600 before those settings do damage. I forgot to tell you, back in Nov. or Dec for $90. that new RX580 8gb from MLLSE China that just went into AMD5 3600 box the one I'll be using your videos to cool down.
I only bought my Ryzen 3600 as a stop gap CPU because it was the middle of the worldwide pandemic. (It was going for $200 at the time and I did not have the money to buy something newer since I was replacing my FX system.) So if it develops a problem in a couple years I will have some idea on how to get it working again now. Thanks!
🙂check your temps on a daily basis and update the bios and go into the bios and see what the default settings are, maybe you can turn it down a bit for a longer life
Great show Bryan.. I have new ideas to go on.
For polaris gpus you can customize bios your self and flash it with that. If it was used for mining, then it has customized bios and it won't work for gaming. Just flash it with default bios. As I said if you don't have default bios, you can make it on your own. Take any bios editor and input default values. I personally use all 3 editors, since each have something that other don't. It takes little more time but when I finish it's all covered. Also, polaris can be undervolted and powerlimited from bios very easy, so you don't have worry if you sell it someone will temper with your software uv and pl...
Exaclty is strange that he didn't know that, AMD cards are so known for this. Maybe later he'll try. Also changing memory modules is becoming more known and doable.
I have had similar kind of experience with one of my customer's Intel Pentium 4 2.4 GHz prescot presser & Intel 865GBF motherboard 18 years back. That processor was a motherboard killer, in the process of diagnosis, I ended up with another broken Intel 845GVSR motherboard. I still keep the processor and motherboard with me as a memento. In my 20 year career that was the lone incident of Broken Intel processor, by the way in India we often encountered with faulty AMD processor those days.
Great effort put into those videos! I think motherboards with external BCLK generators often have a higher resistance in changing BCLK regardless of OC or underclock. Maybe try some high-end Asus ROG Maximus Z series boards or some MSI B series Mortar boards.
I have a Maximus V Extreme and I think the BCLK can get pretty low compared to the one of this video.
I had a problem with a GTX 980 I picked up, it was over heating 91c and the blower fan ramping up like mad yet the temps was find at idle. I tried an under clock that didn't work in the end, I lowered the power draw but 3% and it's now fine under 80c and the fan no longer goes mad.
Gotta go to bed after a long night of work, but it's tempting to watch. I'll be back 😎
I've got a Core i7 10700 that has the exact same issue as the i5. Motherboard totaling features included as well!
Hey Brian, I was wondering if its an issue that my rx 5700xt doesn't post when I flick it's switch on the gpu to the silent bios mode but works normally on the OC mode
14:45 bring this song with us on our Taiwan-wide parts hunt montage.
I was thinking about upgrading my computer to AMD but you are saying there are issues with 7000 series more to come and I been hearing about issues with 3000 series as well makes me feel uneasy ...I guest this companies are pushing higher clocks and running this cpus requiring more voltage...creating more heat.thank you for the great content....
@n n Because AMD sucks
i love the new content man hope you do more of these
@17:00 what is the solution that you use to clean the video cards?
Great video, take good care of yourself ❤
Brians genius never ceases to amaze me
Why are you going to Japan again so soon Bryan? How long does it take to fly there?
My 5800X was "faulty" out of the box (tested thoroughly with default RAM settings). To fix I had to increase LLC or add some voltage on two cores and it worked just fine. I decided to downclock it to the advertised 4.7 GHz with a huge undervolt. Lost some single core performance, gained a lot of all core performance though (4.7 Ghz all core at around 1.275v with LLC2 Asus MB ... passed prime95 and y cruncher, 8 hours each; with almost all cores at -30 in curve optimizer). Since I only have a RX 6700 XT, this was quite a win win for me. Took some time though and shame on AMD to sell cpus that throw out errors out of the box...runs in games below 45 degrees...
Hey Bryan, can you tell me what the song is you are using during the gou cleaning? At the 14:20 ish mark?
I need some help from the pc community. I have a 5950x that when I seat it into my mobo it goes dead. I also have a 5900x and the system works. In live in the USA. Can I send it somewhere for repair or is it just done for?
RMA it. Call AMD and ask for it to be replaced under warranty.
@@MarcoGPUtuber I've owned it a while sadly. I don't mind paying for it? Or Will they warranty it?
@@DatGameCollector ALL 5950X CPUs are still under warranty. They have three years.
@@MarcoGPUtuber I just saw they come with a 3 year. I assumed it was 1 year. Wow thanks man already submItted
@@DatGameCollector Happy gaming!
In SDR-RAM era, I had 2 memory sticks that killed 2 of my Slot-1 motherboards
7:15 re the bricked motherboard try removing the Bios battery but also the ram then power it on without any ram obviously it won't post but this can reset it. I've bought a few back to life this way. I can't explain how but it's kind of my last ditch attempt with any board and it has worked a few times.
Because RAM can hold information, maybe it still holds some information that's stopping the board from booting properly and by powering it up without the RAM it resets it don't know but deffo worth a try.
Why don't you purchase a 20$ BIOS flasher, it would allow you to flash any card regardless of the BCLK or whatever.
Should be a really useful piece of kit for you.
I don't think AMD is driving these CPUs hard out of the box. Even PBO is safe, I don't care if it's pushing 1.5v *at low loads*. Most likely the user degraded it by overclocking it with unsafe settings. All of these CPUs are unlocked and can be overclocked on any cheap B450 board.
1:35 could have a lot to do with the stock thermal paste on the AMD coolers. I've had a few where it sets like cement and is almost impossible to separate the CPU from the cooler after 6 months or so use.... And it's gone hard then it's not gonna be thermally conductive anymore.... With the spire and prism coolers I've ripped a few Ryzen straight out of the socket Coz they were stuck to the bottom of the cooler.
any chance you can do more economics videos ? would love to hear your thoughts about the continuous US debt ceiling raise to prevent federal collapse
At 17:33 I think you called BCLK or bus clock the "host clock" and it confused me for a few minutes. This is a great trick, lowering BCLK, because I've "fixed" lots of graphics cards by lowering vram and core clocks before, but never even thought of lowering BCLK which is a great idea for flashing a new bios or whatever so thanks for that.
Yeah host clock is base clock? IIRC.
@@techyescity Okay. Hey, let us know how the GD900 thermal paste is holding up at some point. Thanks.
I have several AMD motherboards that have been bricked by the Ryzen 3600 CPU's. Not sure what happened other than I was moving the CPU's around. They worked fine in one machine but then bricked the other MOB's. When I would try and put them back in the original MOB the CPU bricked the board as well. 🤔🤔😒😒
wow your amazing Bryan very good never knew you could actually do that in the GPU'S thanks
I have an Asus ROG Crosshair VI extreme board here, and out of curiosity I went and had a go at lowering the BCLK, I got it to 89 but anything under that and it wouldnt boot. Im not selling it, but I am on the GC.
Hey, Msi p55-cd53 can take base clock lower, even has physical buttons on the board
(Code 43), DOH - lol -.
The last 1080 has a power rail missing.
From memory CPUs have low voltage high current VRMs. Maybe the 7400 shorted and blew a VRM - CPUs have low resistance to GND so it might be hard to see with a DMM(digital multi meter), ie, a short 0 ohms, a working CPU maybe 6 ohm -.
I have a Ryzen 5 3600, no problems so far, no heavy loads, no slow traffic, no graphic details of colder collisions.
this is exactly when i get computer parts from recycle, I have test motherboards that are working but like the crappiest ones like an H series board where even its bios looks like its from 1998 just incase I run into a graphics card or cpu that could kill the board,even use a low end PSU for them. my low end PSU i use is the EVGA 600w which is just 80+ some people refer to 80+ white
My second-hand 3700X dropped a memory channel. "B" channel. I was stuck at 1-channel (Dimm Slots A1 & A2). The IMC (integrated memory controller) dropped a channel. I replaced it with a (second-hand) 2600X and I've been fine since, but, it does give me pause when it comes to overclocking . . well, any part of my system. I was able to OC my memory to 3733MT/s with repeatable reboots, using the 2600x, but, I settled on 3400MT/s as a stable Mem-OC. My timings are 16-16-16-38 @ 1.385v . . and it holds stable there. But, I DO worry that I'm pushing my 2600X's IMC too hard. I really want to get a Ryzen R5 5500, as it should have a superior APU IMC. I should be able to get to that magic 3733MT/s mem speed and keep it stable. Maybe even hold 15-15-15-36 stable. Of course 3800MT/s at cl18 timings holds stable too. I would like to note that I have better luck OC'ing my system using my Linux boot drive than I do my Windows 10 boot drive. But that has just been my experience, ymmv.
Regardless, Best wishes good tidings from the Great State of Alaska. 🥶if you decide to visit the state, bring a quality blanket. 🍺Cheers!
I have got a R5 3600 for 3 years and from day one OC to 4.2 mhz and here I am... still on this pc with no problem! I just think you got unlucky on that cpu!
I have two Ryzen 5 CPUs a 2600 and a 3600. The 3600 won't post at all. The 2600 would freeze in multiple B450 boards but seems to OK in an A520 which officially doesn't support 2000 series CPU's! Not sure if its a couple of dodgy PCI lanes and the A520 doesn't use them.
It also can happen the other way around, a shorted motherboard can short out a good cpu, that happend on another youtube channel a few years ago
my friend had a 3600 for 3 years. his died after near end of warranty. but he was lucky he had one month. I never had any issues with my 3600 when i had it. though i did zero overclocking. still clocks at advertised speeds since day one. I sold it to someone else to enjoy!
I experienced a cpu killing motherboards (or viceversa), what was worse was that it copied the problem, the dead motherboards would kill working CPUs, so using any of those components would kill working components. Mayhem until I realized what was happening. It was on Intel Slot 1 platform = many years ago.
lol agent smith effect, that's a first I have heard of that
Just upgrade my cpu from a amd 1600 to a 5900x. Nice big upgrade awesome chip. 👍
Gee, that broken i5 is kind of creepy. I wonder what a CPU has to go through in life for it to just turn evil like that.
You can try flashing a new BIOS onto that board the i5 broke with the same EEPROM flasher that is made for GPUs
Early samples of R5 3600 were problematic. Ran hot (about 75°C with 120mm tower cooler, with occasional jumps to 84°C - a friend of mine had these jumps to 89°C), not reaching boost clocks, PBO did nothing except increasing temperatures, etc. It took AMD a while, until they refined 7nm process to yield better results.
Also, what PBO does, is pushing big voltage into the CPU, while clocks are mostly lower, than if you tried manual all-core OC.
@Lurch that´s what AMD did with 7000 series. They pushed 170W into CPUs not caring for diminishing returns - each overclocker will eventually reach a point, when they must add a lot of voltage to get a minor jump in frequency, but performance increase gets lower as well.
It has been proven, when ECO modes were introduced and those CPUs could´ve been locked to either 105 or 65W. 7950X locked to 105W no longer boosted past 5GHz, but performance dropped slightly and temperatures fell down significantly.
I´m also quite curious about the endurance of all X3D chips - after all, they run even warmer than standard chips, while having lower clocks.
i have a 3600, i dont get bsods and can use the pc fine, but i get crashes up to multiple times a day and staticy audio leading up to it ? replaced my psu still getting it i dont know
The piece on the R5 3600 is interesting because my system shuts down sometimes when I boot it up. The manufacturer of my motherboard will show up on screen and it just shuts down.
Sometimes I get the bsod after logging in
Mine is only two years old bought in Nov. 2020
My motherboard is a MSI B550 Pro-VDH
I don’t think much of it and just power the system on again but am wondering if at some point I’ll have to replace CPU because of these issues
When does the CPU start to freeze? Right after installations? Have a PC getting built using the 3600, with an MSI B550 board. I am not a big gamer, so not worried about over-clocking. Ok want to watch your other video on the same topic. Thank you 🤓
I've had the 3600 since launch and it hasn't degraded yet. I always run it with a dynamic VID offset at -0.72 mV. Stock voltages were just too high that's the reason why I did a undervolt.
I bought mine In 2021. I did notice the vcore was hitting 1.440v which definitely is way to high. I disabled all the PBOs that were in the bios. That dropped it to 1.328v. But I might do what you did and see what happens.
@@SlyDive700 Of course this was a lot of trial and error on my part. I had to do CMOS resets just to find this offset. Also a typo it's actually -0.072 mV.
With the rx 570 would you be able to flash the bios from the ali express rx 580 that has the lower specs than the regular rx 580?
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 overclocked to 4.45GHZ and its been running at that for 3 years no problem its at 1.4v as well.
🤔 so Ryzen chips are failing due to heat and volts, ok that makes sense, so avoid them if they are used, sounds similar to used gpu mining chips. I assume if u buy it new you should be ok, just get a beefy cooler and tweak the bios a bit. Thanks for the tests and explanation, makes alot of sense.
Brian do you use a multimeter to check for shorts on the main power rails before you plug into a motherboard because you can fry ur motherboard or corrupt the bios if you don't and also make the gpu unrepairable ?
Was the 1080 ti one of those cards you took the memory pads off? Maybe it's worth trying to replace em?
I set my ryzen 5 3600 to 3.6Ghz @ 1.150v. Anything above 3.6Ghz crashes/BSOD even if I increase the voltage. It won't freeze on BIOS, only on windows. Updated to latest BIOS version but still crashes beyond 3.6Ghz. Really weird. My mobo is Asrock B550m-HDV with TeamGroup Dark Za 16gb 3200Mhz CL16 with hynix chip. I have a PCCooler Corona GI-X3B with 3 heatpipes rated at 125W. Max temp is 65C during 30mins of CB R23 with this settings.
I'd like a video about the Ryzen 5 3600. From my tests PBO was basically useless so I just disable it and do a undervolt.
I've heard about p-state overclocking which I'd like to do but my motherboard's settings for that are HEX(?) value based black magic, for instance the VID is "48" (???)
I bought brand new R5 3600 in 2020 and since then i have been running it at 4.2ghz at 1.284v and never had any problems.
I got a A320m-k and it’s frozen on the ASUS splash screen on boot
I'd watch a whole video of five GPUs being cleaned without the sped up process. Make it so, Bryan!
Well this has got me worried now, I’ve built 2 PCs one with a Ryzen 5 3600 and one with an i5 7400 🤦🏻♂️
I have a Ryzen 5 3600
I am getting
IRQL not less or equal
Status Access Violation
Result Code Killed
Bad Message
Might this be the CPU ?
I think you would be better served by an external flash programmer, than trying to find a low BCLK motherboard.
What happened to the caps-key of your keyboard? 😆 I have been there: broken of plastic, moving one key to somewhere else.
I’ve found that it is the weak memory controller on the 3600’s that is the main problem. I have one that randomly crashes on every motherboard except one that it works fine on.
Some times just soaking a gpu in 90% alcohol revives it if there's dust on mobi
Make sure to give it a shake it good
I just swaped my old 3600 for an 5700x. When i took some shots from CPU-Z before the change, te voltages of the 3600 were over 1.4V stock (i never used PBO). I have a MSI B550 Tomahawk. I think those voltages were "normal" for the first run of zen 2. I got my 3600 at launch.
i noticed that too so downclocked the voltage till the cpu got stable memory was high volage to @ mine standard settings
Yea ryzen at stock for whatever reason just gets pumped with voltage lmao. Its honestly a good idea to pbo with a negative offset on the vf curve just to get lower voltage at the same clock speeds with no frequency offset
Can you make video of how to clean ryzen cpu socket when termalpaste gets in
8:45 you didn't blur the email address properly
Just as the name suggests. I said “tech YES” video is up
i was wondering if there is any difference when testing the gpu's with unigine heaven or valley ?
cuz i see u use heaven mostly which is "older"