i dug a pair of peavey ils 1594's in a landfill, they came with black widow 1508-8cu bw 's that had the same foam issue, all i had to do was clan the foam tar out and it was good as new! honestly epic speakers to get for free :D
Helpful hint...to clean speaker gaps use masking tape folded sticky side out in the shape of a triangle(like the paper footballs we use to make in study hall. lol). Wrap enough times so that it is snug when placed in the gap. Slide the tape around inside the gap. Any debris should stick to the tape. Repeat the process until the tape remains clean.
Blue handle nut driver and Allen wrench always close. HP used to say don't push the on the basket but hmmm we always did anyway. Yeah that dang foam over time.
@@johnfields8745 Changed many a basket in my days, John, never had any melted foam to deal with but a toon of burned coils mostly due to usage errors ofc and almost never with a Peavey power supplied product
My TNT Wedge does exactly this. I took the BW out and got the foam out of it. Amp still rattles, but I may not have gotten it clean enough. That rattle sucks. It's loud. I will try a different speaker just to pinpoint if it actually is the speaker. I can't find anything loose in that amp. Good video.
I’ve got a 78 mace 320t one of the last ones before changing to the VT. It has 2 of those 1st gen BW and they sound incredible! That foam does not age well! Ive got a whole shop vac full of it from scorpions and t60 cases
John, why on earth didn't you dump the loose fiber out first? I have cleaned several of these and alcohol is my go to solvent. The gap requires a bit more time but patience is the best way plus some low pressure air blasts works for me. I use some dowell rods to align the magnet to the frame. If I did a lot of them I would create some threaded guide pins long enough to align the magnet above the voice coil before lowering.
@larrydering1598 like I said in the video, my intention is to go into these things blind and see what happens. I'd not dealt with this specific issue before now, so I didn't think about it. Came out pretty good, though.
John, I am a huge fan of black widows for guitar amps. Can you please clarify something for me/us? It seems every vintage BW guitar amp shipped with 1201-8 speakers. However, according to the designation chart, it says the 1203 is best suited for musical instruments and 1201 is for PA systems. I bought (2) 1203s online and they sounded horrible for guitar amps, I then bought 1201 baskets and they sound phenomenal! I never understood that. Can you shed some light on that? Thank you sir. I asked Hartley but did not receive a response. Love the videos. Keep them coming!
Brake clean on a rag took that crap right of mine didn't hurt the voice coil it's back in my bass cab kicking ass taking names.. Disolveed it fast hurt nothng. Low voc brake clean of course.
Nope not a first gen. I have 4 of these all different..from PA to bass to blah blah. First gen didn't have that magnet witth that sticker. This is a late 80's but not first gen. .they re all extremely durable. I need had a few the dkam disintegrated and eedned up I the vc, easy clean and fix. I bet I have black widows older than you lol.
Jerry, sorry to disappoint you but the flat mag with the spiderweb sticker is the first gen. His serial number confirms that as the BW was first introduced in 76. It has a smaller coil gap than the later 3 versions of mags. Peavey widened the gap to accommodate for more thermal expansion in the VC under heavy power. It came at a cost the later versions don’t sound near as good and aren’t as efficient, but they do have a longer service life.
i dug a pair of peavey ils 1594's in a landfill, they came with black widow 1508-8cu bw 's that had the same foam issue, all i had to do was clan the foam tar out and it was good as new! honestly epic speakers to get for free :D
Love the video. I would have assumed the speaker was blown by the initial scratching noises
Great video John.
Helpful hint...to clean speaker gaps use masking tape folded sticky side out in the shape of a triangle(like the paper footballs we use to make in study hall. lol). Wrap enough times so that it is snug when placed in the gap. Slide the tape around inside the gap. Any debris should stick to the tape. Repeat the process until the tape remains clean.
Blue handle nut driver and Allen wrench always close. HP used to say don't push the on the basket but hmmm we always did anyway. Yeah that dang foam over time.
@reesemarin thanks for watching, Reece!
@@johnfields8745 Changed many a basket in my days, John, never had any melted foam to deal with but a toon of burned coils mostly due to usage errors ofc and almost never with a Peavey power supplied product
My TNT Wedge does exactly this. I took the BW out and got the foam out of it. Amp still rattles, but I may not have gotten it clean enough. That rattle sucks. It's loud. I will try a different speaker just to pinpoint if it actually is the speaker. I can't find anything loose in that amp. Good video.
I’ve got a 78 mace 320t one of the last ones before changing to the VT. It has 2 of those 1st gen BW and they sound incredible! That foam does not age well! Ive got a whole shop vac full of it from scorpions and t60 cases
We used business cards to clean the gap as well.
John, why on earth didn't you dump the loose fiber out first? I have cleaned several of these and alcohol is my go to solvent. The gap requires a bit more time but patience is the best way plus some low pressure air blasts works for me. I use some dowell rods to align the magnet to the frame. If I did a lot of them I would create some threaded guide pins long enough to align the magnet above the voice coil before lowering.
@larrydering1598 like I said in the video, my intention is to go into these things blind and see what happens. I'd not dealt with this specific issue before now, so I didn't think about it. Came out pretty good, though.
paint thinners and a plastic razor blade on the inside of the coil use sand paper and masking tape in the gap
John, I am a huge fan of black widows for guitar amps. Can you please clarify something for me/us? It seems every vintage BW guitar amp shipped with 1201-8 speakers. However, according to the designation chart, it says the 1203 is best suited for musical instruments and 1201 is for PA systems. I bought (2) 1203s online and they sounded horrible for guitar amps, I then bought 1201 baskets and they sound phenomenal! I never understood that. Can you shed some light on that? Thank you sir. I asked Hartley but did not receive a response. Love the videos. Keep them coming!
@@Patriot31743 sounds like the chart is wrong. I've never seen a 1203 in an MI application that I remember.
Brake clean on a rag took that crap right of mine didn't hurt the voice coil it's back in my bass cab kicking ass taking names..
Disolveed it fast hurt nothng.
Low voc brake clean of course.
Of course. First gen, I assume? What's it look like?
Nope not a first gen.
I have 4 of these all different..from PA to bass to blah blah.
First gen didn't have that magnet witth that sticker.
This is a late 80's but not first gen.
.they re all extremely durable.
I need had a few the dkam disintegrated and eedned up I the vc, easy clean and fix.
I bet I have black widows older than you lol.
@@jerryhatrick5860 what's the 1st gen look like?
Jerry, sorry to disappoint you but the flat mag with the spiderweb sticker is the first gen. His serial number confirms that as the BW was first introduced in 76. It has a smaller coil gap than the later 3 versions of mags. Peavey widened the gap to accommodate for more thermal expansion in the VC under heavy power. It came at a cost the later versions don’t sound near as good and aren’t as efficient, but they do have a longer service life.