Jerry Gergich (and other victims of abuse)

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  • @Pastaa_CEO
    @Pastaa_CEO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1153

    Leo outside -_-

  • @arianaholly6023
    @arianaholly6023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1649

    The thing with Jerry never really made sense because it was completely out of character for most of the characters to make fun of him. Literally half of them were supposed to have kindness and compassion as one of their leading personality traits

    • @Richard_Nickerson
      @Richard_Nickerson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Seems like you actually found the point in those cases.

    • @thenobalnacho
      @thenobalnacho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +185

      That's actually the joke. It's so rediculous that they constantly ridicule him, especially because he often presents brilliant and well thought out/ considerate ideas only to be immediately shot down because he mispronounced one word. One episode he literally presented a machine that produced infinite clean electricity and they all dismissed it immediately before he even finished his thought. It's all part of an elaborate long running joke

    • @LiveHedgehog
      @LiveHedgehog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      I like that Ben is one of the few people to be actively nice to Garry, he's one of my favourite characters because of that.

    • @briteboy6131
      @briteboy6131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      @@thenobalnacho it was a funny and effective joke until they did it too much

    • @aleksisuuronen5969
      @aleksisuuronen5969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Not to mention there wasn't anything that goofy, annoying or "wrong" in Jerry for him to be that character. It was very forgettable and unneccessary honestly. I don't even really care that there is this bully trope but it was just done bad in Parks. I wouldn't even remember Jerry's existence if I talked with someone about Parks, that's how funny it was.

  • @andrecostatrentini7940
    @andrecostatrentini7940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +794

    The Ned Flanders scene was wAAAAYY longer than it had to be

    • @tss3393
      @tss3393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Stupid sexy Flanders!

    • @poopa_stinka
      @poopa_stinka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      It’s like he’s wearing nothing at all

    • @DrSardonicus
      @DrSardonicus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      That’s what she said.
      Is this joke still funny? Am I doing the on-the-line memes correctly?

    • @gustogay190
      @gustogay190 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Ned flanders’ package was waaaaayyy longer than it needed to be

    • @poopa_stinka
      @poopa_stinka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@gustogay190 I’d say it wasn’t long enough

  • @imeanleafeon
    @imeanleafeon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1368

    That baseball gag had me reeling lmao

    • @HeyYoHelloHi
      @HeyYoHelloHi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    • @JoTheAnomaly
      @JoTheAnomaly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I read this right as it happened.

    • @ferociousbiscuit
      @ferociousbiscuit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      This comment hits different the second time you read it.

    • @DodaGarcia
      @DodaGarcia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I lost it at the carefully timed hits from the spitting

    • @KevinJennissen
      @KevinJennissen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha, I should have seen it coming, but I absolutely didn't.

  • @HylianPirate278
    @HylianPirate278 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1016

    Weird thing about these kinds of jokes being so prevalent in kids' shows is that I always hated the mean-spirited bullying in those shows, mainly because I identified with characters like Josh who were a little weird and got bullied. It felt like I was the one being bullied when I watched it, so it always made me really uncomfortable.

    • @TheAcdcninja
      @TheAcdcninja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      I feel you. And while he says “part of the humour is because we know it’s not acceptable to act like this in our real lives” I still feel that everyone actually wants to live in their favourite sitcom and therefore I think a lot of people do actually think unsolicited roasting is normal

    • @sepiasmith5065
      @sepiasmith5065 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ^^^ exactly.

    • @moyo6606
      @moyo6606 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      @@TheAcdcninja a lot of big fans of Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia are like this and it's really annoying. They don't realize that everything the gang does is literally the opposite of how you should act and that we're supposed to be laughing AT them

    • @TheAcdcninja
      @TheAcdcninja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@moyo6606 I also find, one clearly bad character takes all the heat off the other characters. In the office, Michael is just SOOOO consistently inappropriate to everybody, that Jim just seems like a cool guy. So he gets the romcom storyline with Pam and not much scrutiny is ever really placed on the fact that he’s kind of sadistic.

    • @idlesun1645
      @idlesun1645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Me too!! Everytime they made fun of him I felt so bad cause we were so similar, even the way they reacted when he got a girlfriend, it's just not ok

  • @JustSomeLint
    @JustSomeLint 3 ปีที่แล้ว +553

    "Sad don't count. Everyone's sad. Whaddya feel?"
    Fuck.

  • @zara.f5368
    @zara.f5368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    I enjoy the fact that they tried to do this to Charles Boyle from B99 but then they ended up making it a growing point for every character.

    • @RandomSkyeRoses
      @RandomSkyeRoses 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That's why I enjoy B99. They show doesn't glorify abuse or bullying in any way

    • @anam00090
      @anam00090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      @@RandomSkyeRoses I wanted to agree but ... Gina is the main bully and she barely gets better, ironically her core character redeeming moment is sleeping with Boyle and not being ashamed of it. She flirts with Terry constantly even when she sees he's uncomfortable and never gets any reprecussions on any of it, cause she's really funny and it's played like she's flawless "yas qween 💯"
      Also everyone makes fun of Hitchcock and Scully, Terry's also butt of the joke often. Boyle is just very self-sufficient and confident so when it happens to him he doesn't really get embarrassed or ashamed so everyone else is forced to change with regards to him. Maybe noone is just singled out in B99 but just existence of Gina means there's a bully on the team, however hilarious she may be.

    • @whamawham645
      @whamawham645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@anam00090 seriously, the way Gina is with Terry is sexual harassment in the workplace and it's not okay. Just because he's a big man and she's a smaller woman doesn't make it okay. It's so obvious how uncomfortable he is and I don't understand how I'm supposed to find that funny to be honest.

    • @arb9010
      @arb9010 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@whamawham645 what makes it worse, is that Terry Crews literally was sexually abused

    • @Logjambam
      @Logjambam ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@whamawham645 it doesnt even feel comfortable in the show its so strange and never comes across as funny

  • @TheThirdPew
    @TheThirdPew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1451

    This is literally something I was thinking about a couple of days ago. I can't believe this video even exists. thank you.
    Also this is why I thought that new show "Ted Lasso" was great. It's a feel good show like Parks and Rec but never resorted to being mean spirited for no reason.

    • @hd4c393
      @hd4c393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      This has been on my mind the last few days as well. I am rewatching Parks and Rec right now and it gets tough to watch them bully Gary like that. It just doesn't make sense.

    • @Slippy-Toad-Love
      @Slippy-Toad-Love 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hd4c393 You mean Barry

    • @Stella-iW123
      @Stella-iW123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Slippy-Toad-Love No, Larry

    • @Slippy-Toad-Love
      @Slippy-Toad-Love 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Stella-iW123 Mary?

    • @Stella-iW123
      @Stella-iW123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Slippy-Toad-Love Kerry.

  • @xxkillslayer4457
    @xxkillslayer4457 3 ปีที่แล้ว +609

    hey man, just wanted to let you know that I noticed the more distant clanging sound when PBR guy spits straight up into the air. I appreciated that attention to detail, and it's why I come to TH-cam.leo for all my video essay needs

    • @katsonjones5551
      @katsonjones5551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      This. Leo’s feel for projectile physics simulation is unparalleled as far as I’ve seen in the tube scene

    • @jacquiecotillard9699
      @jacquiecotillard9699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes that was a great moment!

    • @bigboy5978
      @bigboy5978 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      YESS, this man is the king for that

    • @chrisfinest1
      @chrisfinest1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      those sounds were recorded on-set, what are you talking about?

  • @charliedawson6318
    @charliedawson6318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +280

    *Leo:* It makes the other characters participating in the digs less likeable.
    *The English:* Wait... you guys try to make your comedy protagonists likeable?

    • @trevordavis8210
      @trevordavis8210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That’s what makes English comedy excel over most American comedies.

    • @saulspanco854
      @saulspanco854 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@trevordavis8210 English comedy is overrated af.

    • @higglybiggly1174
      @higglybiggly1174 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      English comedy is either laughing at an entire group of assholes, or laughing at bumbling baffoons that are always successful like Mr Bean. Little in between

    • @zeltzamer4010
      @zeltzamer4010 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@trevordavis8210The gulf between English and American humor is much smaller than most people act like it is, if it even exists at all. For every piece of allegedly distinct “British comedy”, you can find a successful American analogue with the same sense of humor from around the same time.

    • @woahdaddy.standbackman.902
      @woahdaddy.standbackman.902 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@trevordavis8210 I wish i could agree, but i feel like the whole idea that British people have an elite sense of humor is kinda untrue. I see all the time that British people can't take a joke about their country, they always get super defensive and kill the mood.

  • @chloekm7958
    @chloekm7958 3 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    In middle/high school I often used to feel like I didn't have a lot of genuine friendships because I was always the easy target. Now, I'm not going to say that's affected my ability to cultivate lasting friendships, because I'm not a therapist.
    What I will say is, adolescence was a real bummer.

    • @trevordavis8210
      @trevordavis8210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Same happened to me. I spent the majority of my young life feeling that I was an idiot and that most of my friends didn’t care if I was around. I’m 22 now and it absolutely has had a large impact on my self confidence and insecurities. For example, I never seem to feel like I’m enough for anyone especially in relationships.

    • @zeltzamer4010
      @zeltzamer4010 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Okay.

    • @horusreloaded6387
      @horusreloaded6387 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah... And I still am the easy target and I find myself making myself the easy target often enough nowadays at work

  • @BananaMan311
    @BananaMan311 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    “If you’re a kid and you’re watching this.....BOO”
    Me, 26 years old: “Gaaahhhh”

  • @PeregrinesChagrin
    @PeregrinesChagrin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +315

    "Karma wang"
    *Smashes like button*

  • @edward4840
    @edward4840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    When rewatching Parks and Rec recently, I ended up really hating Leslie because of how she treated Jerry. It seems so out of character. It resulted in me really loving Ben more when he's so nice to Jerry

    • @chameleon1015
      @chameleon1015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah I watched Parks and Rec for the first time and liked it, aside from all the weird and mean things that happened to Jerry. Ben was my favorite for that reason, he was a smart weirdo(which I love) and a much nicer dude to Jerry

  • @estrellacasias
    @estrellacasias ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I always felt bad for Jerry cause he reminded me so much of my grandfather. He's soft and gentle like that and when I was little I loved the show (I watched it very young) but the Jerry digs used to make me cry

  • @joseguajardo2224
    @joseguajardo2224 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I'm surprised you didn't touch on Meg from Family Guy how she randomly became the ultimate punching bag and then her awesome episode where she confronts everybody.

    • @johnmartinez7440
      @johnmartinez7440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yeah I always hated that. And they sort of made her into this unattractive, annoying character to the point where it feels like the joke is that she deserves to be mistreated because of those traits.

    • @heisen-bones
      @heisen-bones 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      whats the episode?

  • @jasmine-ruff-puff9951
    @jasmine-ruff-puff9951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Big mistake putting goats on the end card. I forgot everything I learned because I got distracted by the goats.

  • @nathan8268
    @nathan8268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +354

    "contrapoints said that, but she's cancelled now" lmao
    Been really enjoying these, Leo, but this is the first one I think I'll be revisiting to mull over. I've been thinking a lot about not just the easy target, but how we assign roles to people in a group that even if they aren't obviously negative can still limit their participation or the perspectives they can have within a group. In my college class, for example, one of my classmates is seen as the person who will sort out any problems through direct confrontation. It's not a negative thing, they've helped a lot of people by being willing to stand up and say something when there's an issue. Typically there a lot of good natured joking about how if something goes wrong we'll send her to crack some skulls or whatever. The problem is by typing her as the 'tough' one of the group, that when she discusses something with compassion, it tends to result in the jokes about cracking skulls or starting a riot. Typing people is an issue because it limits our ability to see them as a full person which limits their freedom to act.
    I keep thinking about the mecha anime "The Big O" which is an exploration of identity and who we are beyond who we are perceived to be. There's a line where the main character says "who am I? As long as you call me by my name, that is who I am." As long as we see people in our friend groups as easy targets, then that's who they are. It sucks, and we should probably be better to our friends.

    • @phoenixkh93
      @phoenixkh93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Did contra points get cancelled? Did I miss something?

    • @joselocalau123
      @joselocalau123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@phoenixkh93 she has a video on it lol and also, twitter hates her, i think most of the reasons of why she’s cancelled are there

    • @cartoonhanks1708
      @cartoonhanks1708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or, we could continue to treat our friends the way we've always treated them, and not be an asshole with zero social skills.
      I feel like you over complicate this. Without the conception of a person, there is no person. So trying not to "type" is pointless.

    • @cartoonhanks1708
      @cartoonhanks1708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@phoenixkh93 Basically she's not left enough, and also doesn't buy the intersectionalists logic.

    • @Evanz111
      @Evanz111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks for sharing your story, as you and Leo both have very good points. It’s very insightful and caring of you to feel that way about your friend though, and she’s lucky to have somebody who sees past that initial typing and thinks about how that might affect her.

  • @mbanerjee5889
    @mbanerjee5889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +483

    This an interesting topic that is often overlooked. I think the trope is okay depending on where it is happening and the context of the group. It's okay to play pranks (within reason) or joke about friends and family, but you would never act that way with colleagues.
    For example, Britta, although considered "the worst", has many positive qualities that still make her likable. This works within the Community gang because Britta is not disliked among the others: Pierce is. In episodes like Biology 101 or Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, Pierce knows he is "the bad guy", is he is okay with it as long as he is included. But ultimately they do consider Pierce a friend. They hang out with Pierce outside of school and do go out of their way to help him when needed. Pierce nor Britta exist solely to be the butt of the joke.
    Similarly, examples like Drake and Josh or Family Guy, while cruel, still makes sense. Families are dysfunctional and one person always ends up ignored or belittled. Characters like Josh or Meg are not one dimensional.
    However, it doesn't work on shows like Parks and Rec, The Office, 30 Rock, or Scrubs because these are workplace sitcoms. The victims are relegated to tertiary characters at best. The main protagonist of the show doesn’t consider the victim a friend. These people coexist only when they work together, never because they want to be. For someone as kind as Leslie Knope, it ruins her integrity that she would allow Jerry to be picked on.
    The punching bag among friends/family is in on the joke. They know their role within the group and chose to stay with them because they have other personal ties. Someone who is constantly ridiculed and harassed daily at their job may not have a choice. Which is why I find the bullying in these situations that much more sinister.

    • @LeoVader
      @LeoVader  3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      good take!

    • @Enel97
      @Enel97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      What are you smoking. "The main character doesn't consider the victim a friend". Have you even watched parks and rec? Yes she considers him family. Literally leslies entire personality is how much she loves her work and her colleagues. Also the whole joke with jerry is that while he gets picked on at work he literally has the best life outside of there(gorgeous wife and daughters that love him a hude dick(literally this is a part of the canon lol) and many loving other friends). It's the reason gerry works. While the scenes are sad when seen without the rest of the context it doesn't change that it can't be compared to say someone like Toby of the office. Toby is written to be unlikeable by most of the cast and have a losers life to the point that he is the worst one at the end of the story. Meanwhile Jerry's end in the story is that he literally becomes mayor of town and is beloved and voted for many terms and lives a long happy life. While they improved on the picked on character in brooklyn with Boyle and perfected it I would say Jerry is still a pretty good example of the "butt of the joke" trope working nicely and not being objectively cruel as is Toby. But to say the main character doesn't consider him a friend. Wow

    • @christiansanchez7448
      @christiansanchez7448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      ​@@Enel97 "...Toby is unlikable and is written to have a loser's life so its okay to shit on him". Bro, did you even watch the video?

    • @mbanerjee5889
      @mbanerjee5889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@Enel97 In the context of a WORKPLACE sitcom, “friends” are people who spend time together by choice. People tend to have groups of friends: work friends, childhood friends, family friends, social media friends, etc. But most people have a select group of close people that they regularly spend time with and share personal information with. It’s perfectly okay to not be friends with your coworkers because most people have lives that aren’t defined by their job/career.
      Yes, Leslie Knope is “friends” with Gary in sense that Gunther is friends with Monica on Friends or Penny is friends with Stuart on The Big Bang Theory. It’s just surface level friendship without any real connection. But how close is Leslie’s friendship with Gary? She didn’t even know his real name. While she may not be an active part in Jerry getting bullied, she rarely stands up for him. They dismiss his mural idea, they have a "Jerry filter" on their email, they have “Jerry Dinner”, and Ron hired Jerry back as a favor for Tom, who couldn’t handle being the "new Jerry". How is that not cruel? Ann calls out Tom, April, Andy, and Donna for being so mean spirited. Chris, Ben, Ann, and later Donna are only ones that are genuinely shown to be nice him. The reason the Jerry/Gary situation works is because Gary doesn’t mind being made fun of. In this case, Gary has a choice.
      The situation is different with Toby on The Office, not because Toby is unlikable, but because Toby is not a willing participant of the joke. Michael is a terrible person (unintentional, but still terrible), and hence has no friends and tries to force his coworkers to spend time with him. Jim is also terrible to Dwight but the difference is that Dwight isn’t one dimensional. His character grows throughout the show. Toby is about as important to the show as Bob Vance. Toby has no purpose yet he hasn’t actively done anything that should garner so much hate, like Ryan.
      A these examples succeed or fail because of the tone of the show. The Office is not a feel good show and relies too heavily on “cringe” comedy. We know little to nothing on most of their personal lives. So no, I wouldn’t consider anyone on The Office “friends” with Toby, Meredith, Kevin, or Creed.

    • @Enel97
      @Enel97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@christiansanchez7448 i never said that? I said exactly the opposite that toby being bullied is horrible and different from jerry

  • @alexpskywalker
    @alexpskywalker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Yeah, I tend to become the punching bag in social groups. People say it's because I'm a "good sport", but it still hurts deep down when everyone you know is Joshing you

    • @joe_stone
      @joe_stone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I'm sorry to hear that, Batman. In the past I've definitely avoided being the punching bag by jokingly mocking others who are an even easier target than myself, mostly as a way to cover up my own low self-esteem, so if it makes you feel any better you probably only get picked on because of how insecure your friends are, and the fact you take it makes you a better and stronger person than them. Not that you should take it, your friends should definitely stop that. And I apologise on behalf of people like myself who have ever picked on someone - even in a jokey, friendly way - because it is shitty and immature behaviour.

    • @JohnDarksoul69
      @JohnDarksoul69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Avoid these people if you can. They're not your friends. If you cannot, set some boundaries. "Good sport" huh? Well people say that just so they can justify that behavior while trying not to make you feel too bad about it. You don't need to subject yourself to that, my man

  • @jonnil1997
    @jonnil1997 3 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    Yo thank you for talking about this! This trope has bothered me so much, it always feels weird when usually nice characters just decide to bully someone.

  • @MrCameroncee
    @MrCameroncee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    The sketch with the dude with the hat was actually kinda eye opening for me. If you need proof of concept leo, you at least got to me lol

  • @williammbuttlicker1146
    @williammbuttlicker1146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I love the hick-to-therapist character arc

  • @rowandunning6877
    @rowandunning6877 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    and near the end of the show ben even starts to like jerry and see him as a person and not just a punching bag, even to the dismay of leslie, his wife, i dont know its just something to think about

  • @anvisriva1824
    @anvisriva1824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    I’ve been the easy target before in a few friend groups and while I laugh along and don’t get upset by it, I still notice it happening so it makes me feel weird about it at times. The last part also made me reevaluate myself and realize sometimes I do it to another friend and will be wary of that in the future. I really liked this video

    • @Richard_Nickerson
      @Richard_Nickerson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Laughing along and not making it an issue is literally inviting it to continue.

    • @kwaynesatuckle5631
      @kwaynesatuckle5631 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      If you feel like a constant target in a friend group, you’re not actually in a friend group.

    • @cinnamorollfood9867
      @cinnamorollfood9867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You definitely have to learn this the hard way sooner or later. It's really hard to confront this behaviour when you're younger because you want to have friends but it's NOT OKAY. I had two friends I hung out with for a year in HS and one of them would always make me the punching bag for laughs. I was always bothered by it but continued to laugh along thinking it was okay since it was a joke. But it's very obvious now that I was clearly uncomfortable but chose to continue being friends in order to not be alone. I realized that I would much rather be alone than listen to them talk about me in that way again. I eventually found other people to hang out with during lunch and it instantly made my mood better.

  • @TAGstunts
    @TAGstunts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    "boo!"
    Don't scare me like that Leo

    • @Nibbitt
      @Nibbitt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      for real scared me, im 20 yo

  • @AdamJasper18
    @AdamJasper18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I do like how Parks and Rec makes fun of the trope in later seasons when Ben try's to defend him

  • @markjones9431
    @markjones9431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    I like that Leo changes the location in each of his videos. Since COVID started I haven’t been able to travel a lot so it’s great seeing different parts of the US!

  • @KyleHilliard
    @KyleHilliard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    My kid has been watching through Parks & Rec recently for the first time, and through her eyes, the Jerry stuff really comes off worse than ever. It also just seems out of character for Leslie Knope in particular to bag on him so much.
    As you pointed out, though, I do think the trope works well in Sunny. I also think it works well in Brooklyn 99, too.

  • @megan1214
    @megan1214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I've always felt weird watching innocent characters get picked on, especially in shows like Parks and Rec where the nicest people are the bullies. Jerry is just sweet and innocent and hasn't done anything to deserve it. The fact that he has an amazing and perfect life outside of work doesn't make me feel any better about it. I know that's the joke, but like a lot of others have pointed out, it just doesn't make sense that the other characters, who we're supposed to be rooting for, all have this incredibly mean streak when it comes to him specifically. And even though Toby has been a bit strange at times, it definitely doesn't justify being harassed like he is. Someone who deserves it, sure, but with these characters who just mind their own business but still get ruthlessly laughed at and bullied, it has never sat right with me. I think comedies really missed the mark with this trope, especially with some of the more intense remarks and attitudes towards the innocent characters.

  • @panzy7871
    @panzy7871 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It's good to know that other people found the treatment of Jerry uncomfortable (bleak, even). I soured on parks and rec once I realized how conditional its ~compassion and optimism for humanity~ are.

    • @panzy7871
      @panzy7871 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The office is usually better about this but meredith and kevin, while afforded more psychological complexity, are still..... so shortchanged. I honestly think sunny is the more compassionate show toward its characters on the whole.

    • @Orbowitz
      @Orbowitz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@panzy7871The thing about always sunny is that all the characters are irredeemable assholes. Which makes it funny.

  • @erikaatayde8919
    @erikaatayde8919 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "Sad don count, everybody sad, what do you feeeel??!"
    is a perfect sentence

  • @avadakedalek
    @avadakedalek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    It’s crazy that the end portion basically communicates the other end of the spectrum as to why I personally hate this easy target trope: I’m always worried that I’m that jerry or going to be that jerry at some point. You know?

    • @LPempty
      @LPempty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The thing is, when it comes to other ones the characters are just butts of a joke for entertainment. Jerry has a perfect life, a perfect family, he is creative, has many hobbies that he is good at, is innovative, humble etc etc. them making fun of him is more of a representation of their character not his. So if you’re wondering abt that question you’re more wondering if others are being cruel to you to make themselves feel better which is sadly a common thing humans do.

  • @Undeadspelldragon
    @Undeadspelldragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Penny from Big Banv Theory gets constant ridicule for being the dumb one and it gets old pretty fast. Also Zack, a character invented to be a punching bag, is my favorite outside the main cast and I hate seeing him bullied.

  • @VileCarton
    @VileCarton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Dude, You are not only a great editor and content creator, you are a phenomenally good writer. You provide very fun, engaging, and interesting insights into media. You do great content man. I am definitely going to have to keep tuning in to your videos. Cheers, hope you blow up.

  • @callmeperch
    @callmeperch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've never seen anyone reference Sirens before! One of my favorite short-lived shows of all time and Billy was absolutely precious

  • @joshuanavarrete4357
    @joshuanavarrete4357 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Just watched and feel like a massive jackass. This was really good. Sorry to all the Easy Targets, and sorry to you specifically Connor, imma call and tell you that you were actually rad and us guys just wanted to rag on someone, anyone. You’re honestly way stronger than me for pushing through and still calling us your friends. Also shout out to Daniel!

  • @why-qz6zq
    @why-qz6zq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    You are my new favorite youtuber so I'm claiming my here before a million ticket

  • @Spamhard
    @Spamhard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I only just finished a rewatch of P&R and the whole Jerry/Larry/Gary thing was even more tough to watch this time around. The guy is straight up one of the sweetest, most reliable and loyal people in the whole series and he's just constantly shit on because he's clumsy (and overweight, I've noticed a lot of Schur's shows like to take jabs at fat people). The only redeeming thing is the fact he always seems happy and has a loving family, and he has said a few times in the show he doesn't really care about work, what matters is his home life, but the gang don't even know that until later in the series. I know some folk in the comments is saying that the point of the joke is that it's OOC for everyone to be so nasty to him, but it feels really disconnected when P&R always pushes for positivity and friendship and then they turn around and continue that shit with Gary. Much of the show is about that feel good mentality and yet the characters still harass one of their colleagues on the daily for the lolz. I really liked when Ben got to spend a day with Gary where they shared interests, Gary got to show off his talents, and Ben realised he was a great guy, but then they STILL resorted back to the playground jokes of him admitting to the gang he liked Gary and immediately getting shot down and ridiculed with finger pointing.
    I think the show gives a much better balance of how an 'easy target' should be in Ben as a character; he's got some interests that a lot of main stream society consider odd, and he's an unashamed nerd who's anxious and easily panicked, and while the gang do mock him for those attributes, they also are usually shown to at least try and show some interest in it, and there tends to be storylines about Ben gaining respect from others via his own talents. He is often the butt of jokes, but it never feels vindictive and usually gets resolved. Essentially the gang accept him for who he is. It did kind of suck when Leslie dismissed his Cones game as stupid and told him to throw it away, and then later we see it go on to be a huge success. Buuuut at least there's precedent for her character being extremely controlling, especially over interests.

  • @5Amigos32
    @5Amigos32 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I found you through your now you see me video and your videos are great. This video really spoke to me I hope you find a lot of success here

  • @lyxandrast0ttr0n1x8
    @lyxandrast0ttr0n1x8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The treatment of the Easy Target character usually upsets me, but I think in the case of a character like Gerry, it makes the episodes where they catch a break or have a happy ending all the more satisfying

  • @uhm7293
    @uhm7293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you for this. For too long my friends havebeen enjoying Toby being bullied and Jerry being bullied. Or Gina bullying everyone in B99 (maybe a video about the bully characters like her and Eleanor)

    • @Rabbit-uc5kg
      @Rabbit-uc5kg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Gina's behavior bothers me.

  • @milobeauchamp1332
    @milobeauchamp1332 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I feel like it’s also important to point out that the “easy target” for a lot of these shows were people who were easily coded as neurodivergent. And this bullying on screens leads to bullying off screen of people with autism or ADHD or other mental stuff that seem “weird”. It’s interesting.

    • @Artisticmonkey2
      @Artisticmonkey2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That’s generally what I got out of these too, Dwight is coded as neurodivergent too and is constantly ridiculed for behavior “outside the norm”, while him being a dick is a secondary separate set of ridiculing

    • @whamawham645
      @whamawham645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      100% they're either neurodivergent, overweight, 'unattractive', or a mix of the three. It makes me quite sad.

    • @neuroplexus4700
      @neuroplexus4700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gang gang

  • @TheHotterPotato
    @TheHotterPotato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic video Leo, and something I have recognized in myself and in those same NBC Thursday night classics as I re-watch them now. Keep up the great stuff!

  • @noneuklid
    @noneuklid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Honestly, I think it exists in Parks & Rec to show the problems of peer pressure. Since everybody (except Gary) is 'in' on it, the people who get along with everyone just go along.

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    @Emileigggggh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    love how concise and insightful/creative this video is, goals tbh

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    just watched a load of your videos, you seem like a great mix of humorous, informative and introspective. Really enjoying the content

  • @tomdylan2074
    @tomdylan2074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just came across this criminally underrated gem of a channel and your video essays are very well written and I love the use of the Bully soundtrack.

  • @ZICK37100
    @ZICK37100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i loughed and thought so much through out this video thanks alot

  • @nightfolk
    @nightfolk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    leo your work in this channel is precious ♡

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    I’ve been binging your videos mate, the writing is absolutely amazing I love it.

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    @AylalikeKaylawithouttheK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @Silverfang447
    @Silverfang447 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video! Thanks for all you do! 👍

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    @milkbox103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i am so glad youtube started recommending me your videos. you deserve so much more recognition!

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    @henryharman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can’t stop watching these vids man

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    @BackpacknBear 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great entry on your channel! A worth callout with an honest qualification at the end

  • @sydisverytired
    @sydisverytired 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I've done my best to be a better person in recent years - I picked on people, lovingly or not, because it gave me a sense of control and honestly those jokes are easy to make.
    But realising that it's not okay, even if everyone's okay with it, made me rethink a lot. I started light-heartedly booing mean jokes, and lifting up the "easy targets" in our group. A couple times I straight up said "It's not funny, don't be an ass". And during this, everyone followed along with the change.
    I suppose the lesson is bystanders only help the oppressors; though that seems a bit over the top for such a situation.
    Becoming a kinder person sucks, because first you have to admit your faults to yourself and the people around you. But it really is worth it.

  • @M-1996A1
    @M-1996A1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok, bully music, I’ll hit the bell.
    Wait, I just realized it’s connected to the overall theme of the video, these videos are so well done I’m marathoning.

  • @extonjonas6820
    @extonjonas6820 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I always found it so strange that parks and rec had all of the characters be so mean to Jerry, It always felt so out of place to me because characters that are generally so nice are so rude. I mean I know its a comedy show, but it always felt cheap and forced. I have always thought that show did the joke the least funny, though it was still funny some of the time.

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    @imanoljesusdelpozo4907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mister, your channel is gold and I love it and I really believe it’ll blow up soon

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    @wearyatlas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I just found your channel today and I’m going through all your content, it’s hilarious. I love the overarching house plot and skits. Also, the contra joke in there got a solid chuckle out of me 😂

  • @ElvisCryst
    @ElvisCryst 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loving your videos!

  • @Christian_Luczejko
    @Christian_Luczejko 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    U got me.
    Also, I was introduced to you a few hours ago and have officially finished the Leo tour. All videos down and patiently waiting by the bell for the next. Great ferrrrrrrb.

  • @ephramwest8368
    @ephramwest8368 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always come back to this one. This dude is such a good writer.

  • @NiccoDubs
    @NiccoDubs ปีที่แล้ว

    Real nice cinematography, the slow push-in during the shot reverse-shot

  • @CayneOfficial
    @CayneOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just discovered some of your stuff. Pretty good. Look forward to more.

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    @H4ffD3dd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, this whole channel is outstanding.

  • @shlock1558
    @shlock1558 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video, this has been on my mind for years and it’s always bothered me so much. Agree with all the points you make here.

  • @muertolamento
    @muertolamento 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was such an expertly crafted essay on how this stereotype is played out and not really always funny, that ends perfectly with the very gag that was set up earlier. Earned a sub for sure.

  • @faisalrizvi2876
    @faisalrizvi2876 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for very making a video about this issue.

  • @squattycoati931
    @squattycoati931 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the television analysis stuff!

  • @fakenamerealguy7084
    @fakenamerealguy7084 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Leo, I loved you on GI and i'm glad you're making neat stuff!

  • @mrRPGamers
    @mrRPGamers ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, your delivery is always on point

  • @MADKapo
    @MADKapo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have never subscribed to a channel after just watching one of their video but this...this was just masterful bro.

  • @nathanchisholm148
    @nathanchisholm148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @Omar619RKO
    @Omar619RKO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video man keep it up

  • @simplemuncher4578
    @simplemuncher4578 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i like the bully soundtrack you put in the background. it fits in a video about being bullied

  • @seekthuth2817
    @seekthuth2817 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's not bullying if all of your friends are the punching bag.

  • @drewblair3953
    @drewblair3953 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey man, just found your channel from the master chef vid. I really like your shit. the clickbait titles always take such a complex turn, it gets me to click and then boom I'm exploring a topic I've lowkey always wondered about. super great stuff keep it up!

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    @michaelstclair 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found this channel you definitely deserve more subs

  • @Grandmas_Favorite
    @Grandmas_Favorite 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fire content ! Looking forward to see your channel grow!

  • @SteeleGolem
    @SteeleGolem 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I saw a Twitter thread a while back where people were just making fun of a guy because he looked older than he was. That’s it. And everyone was just going along with it. Is this where we’re at, now?

  • @justinx590
    @justinx590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best Channel I have ever discovered by accident

  • @uruuruis
    @uruuruis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok that's it Leo!!! One day I'm gonna reach you and express my respect for your work!
    Your content is just amazing! I'm trying not to watch them all in a road but daamn it is pretty impossible!
    Hats off for you Sir!

  • @josephstone4842
    @josephstone4842 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!!! This is something that’s always bothered me.

  • @xclementinexx
    @xclementinexx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    had the 'now you see me' video recommended and now im on a binge.

  • @sydneyp7867
    @sydneyp7867 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a great video and I just have to applaud you for making this only 8 minutes.

  • @tmccan8864
    @tmccan8864 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finding this channel on a shitty Saturday at work is truly a blessing.

  • @dbrg1376
    @dbrg1376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video man

  • @nrpbrown
    @nrpbrown 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alright this video got me subscribed. Im not a fan of this trope but it has its place and the contrast between Parks and Rec an' Always Sunny is spot on.

  • @quinceyclouds3208
    @quinceyclouds3208 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    okay but this is SO well made

  • @A_Salted_Fishe
    @A_Salted_Fishe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy moly you broke out the Bully soundtrack for this one. Respect!

  • @nightmare-nightmarenightma1147
    @nightmare-nightmarenightma1147 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I like shows where the characters are unlikable because being likable is just so overrated in TV. I feel like the best shows have a cast of the worst most flawed people. They often get their comeuppance and it has much more weight to it when they do. I don't watch T.V to relate to fictional characters so I don't mind if they're terrible people. For example; IASIP, Community, Parks and Rec, Lovesick, Kim's Convenience, 30 Rock, Seinfeld.
    However, its just felt...wrong when the gang picked on Jerry in P&R. I felt like I was supposed to laugh when they laughed at Jerry but I didn't most of the time. I didn't understand 'why' they didn't like him. Just that they were 'supposed' to and so was I. It actually became annoying to watch.

    • @whamawham645
      @whamawham645 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah they really overdid it, I don't understand why. It was barely funny the first few times.

    • @purplewine7362
      @purplewine7362 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How can you mention all these shows but not mention Curb Your Enthusiasm?

  • @ghost-iv8gt
    @ghost-iv8gt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    actually one of the funniest videos i've seen in a while

  • @frogwithaflaregun4792
    @frogwithaflaregun4792 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *never mentions meg once*

  • @jamnmikefx
    @jamnmikefx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad I found your channel. You’re hilarious and need to blow up in subscribers soon 😄