Full AA Petro VS FDR
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2021
- Normally an FDR match means pushing in is death, however petro's aa might just be enough to get through.
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I feel like to really fix some of the problems WG just needs to embrace the arcade aspect of the game and give bonuses for ships staying near each other and actually playing as a team. Or at least make skills that you could take to encourage other players to receive those buffs.
Examples:
- Shield of the Fleet: If you stay within 4km of a battleship, both ships main and secondary gun damage is increased by 5%, they take a flat -10% damage from all sources including fire/flooding, and all module survivability is increased by 20%
- Spear of the Fleet: If you stay within 3km of a heavy cruiser both ships consumable reload speed is buffed by -10% and dispersion is buffed by -3%
- Reactive Countermeasures: If you stay within 3km of a light cruiser both ships fire/flood recovery time is buffed by -20%, AA accuracy is increased by 5%, and your ship’s AA damage is buffed by 20% of the light cruiser’s AA damage
- Urgent Mission: If you stay within 2km of a destroyer both ships gain +10% speed and torpedo acquisition range is increased by +20%
- Decisive Strike: If you stay within 4km of an aircraft carrier both ships concealment is buffed by -10% and your main and secondary gun reload is buffed by -10%
Obviously this isn’t the only answer, but people have no reason to stick together and attempt to push in with the heavier ships who would usually stand no chance getting up close. Each ship in the game can support each other really well, but the only time that happens is late game when everyone is going after the same ship on the losing team.
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i would preffer more realism and less arcade
@@BobInGreek may I tell you about our lord and savior War Thunder? lol
Community: We need nerfs!
WG:
Art department: Did you see the parachutes and reworked shadows?
"community needs nerfs"? How to nerf the community
"Community: We need nerfs!"
WG: "What's that you say? you need an entire line of Smolensks? well, seems strange, but alright."
@Tobias Time pretty much worked on the Kremlin
We did. And the art department always hits. Its the rest of wg that sucks
I wonder what the FDR would've achieved if he was good.
Probably the same results. FDR is just a damage farm CV, the only thing it does better if you strive for WR is it's massive alpha strikes tend to make people choose between giving a bb broadside or taking 22k torp plane damage, and in randoms without a div, you know you can't expect people to take advantage of a ship turning broadside to dodge FDR torps
I feel like the petro is actually good for the meta, it’s one of the few ships that mainly uses ap and doesn’t he spam. It also is very good at pushing in and it rewards you with better accuracy at close ranges. The problem is the addition of new he spammers, those ships stop pushing in the game while the petro incentives it
It’s definitely overtuned but it’s premise is healthier than that of the new PA Smolensks lmao
Just imagine the glue that FDR player squeezed out everywhere when he actually lost planes.
Just do your tier 10's in Co-op, guarantee a win, and you don't spend 20 min's in a match.
Co-op matches usually ends too fast. When you just engaged in a good fight with all the ships in closer distance bots just instantly dies. This is boring, especially for the battleships. But well, I do agree that coop can be fun.
@@TorrithhI think he's talking about grinding for gift containers
Co-op is for getting your snowflakes off
There was 200% bonus in first 3 days so I preferred grinding free exp at the same time playing every ship once.
You don't need to win. They made that change last Christmas. Now its win or get 300 base exp or more on a loss
It's moskva in the thumbnail
Edit: venezia is lower then petro, if you dont get a cit on venezia it's a overpen. For petro it's either a pen or a cit.
Secondary Battleship - Passive Abilities: 25% less damage when in secondary range and %50 less fire chance when within secondary range.
The advantage of more than 8+ flack - at some point it just becomes unavoidable, and the 10-25% flack that 'miss' just make it even more difficult to maneuver around without creating holes in the main wall.
Been rocking the AA petro for a while now. Very satisfying to see CVs struggle.
With AA ship and AA build, planes drop like 🪰 but most players just complain about CVs without actually doing anything. I mean if you hate CVs that much, may as well do this and that’s basically the checkbox for “no cv in my game or I get more exp if there is (if the cv is picking up on you)”.
This is what i usually do, play strong AA ships. Annoying af when you get no CV. Playing Shima or something else is forbidden. Then they creep out from their pit
Problem is.. CVs are protected species for weegee. Once you get past a certain threshold of AA, CVS will NOT get added to your game.
Seriously, if a game has 1 austin and more than 2 Hallands.. you will NEVER get a CV in your match... thats how the matchmaker works.
I had 10 games with no CV when playing worcester and hallands. As soon I moved to shima, every single game was a CV game.
@@CesarinPillinGaming fck mm, so they can prey on the likes of Shima all day long. I dont really play in division any more, but this really makes to play Shima and Halland in div. Oh wait, the Shima has AA cover, so no CV again..
@@CesarinPillinGaming say that to the game I dropped in with quad Hallands. Haku was not happy
@@jeremyjean13 I assume there were no AA cruisers like PETRO , Worcester right?
The "sweep" starts around 2 hallands +1 AA cruiser.
I have NEVER seen a match with 2 hallands and an Austin with a CV. NEVER.
Petro is perhaps one of the few ships that can actually push in current meta, and you still can easily counter it. Hindenburg, Yoshino, Goliath. And almost anyone at a medium to long range. Petro is strong at close range, but it basically can’t do anything to anyone above 15km. We do need such noob friendly close range ships.
And that FDR didn’t know what he was doing
The problem is, noobs don't push, they either rush throw, or go to the border.
tbh Petro is my fav AA ship after Halland. Glad to see his AA power has been noticed, you can see similar AA results with Nevsky
Nevsky is better since it will get 11 flak puffs from 6.9km away with a full build. Worcester and Minotaur have more dps but less flak. You want flak for tanky planes, and dpm for paper ones.
I think Nevski is stronger AA ship than Petro
As someone else mentioned, all the AA accuracy percentage is is a negative multiplier to your continuous AA DPS (400 dps AA with 75% accuracy does 300 dps before carrier skills are taken into account). It's a really bullshit stat that WG only explained when the CV Rework happened and it's been forgotten about since.
Hey, at 12:20 you say that the module that gives more range also buffs the accuracy. Does this apply to every module on every ship that increases range or only to certain modules like the one on the Petro?
Reminds me of when the OG Cleveland was still at T6.
You basically became a mobile NO FLY ZONE for enemies.
I need the Mods you are using. Nice look on the consumables.
I'm curious to see you in a Salem... I will have to see if you made a video of that already.
Could you test a.nevsky AA build?
What's the side panel mod you are using?
Can you make full AA build on montana
The Petro is a game breaking ship. It is especially good in the hands of a bad player as it has such a high stupid-tolerance. Hard to citadel. Low in the water. Not overmatched. As a 60 percent winrate player, every time i play against a Petro, i know i have less impact in the game because at some point i might be fighting a Petro which i cant kill reliably. This is not because of skill, it is because how they balanced it.
And yes ofcourse i could choose to play a carrier or Petro myself. But then im just part of the problem.
Yeah I was about to say play Goliath. To a Goliath, petro is easy meat
@Christian Alexander that is just not an argument. Anything can kill anything with spamming it. The same skilled player will ALWAYS do better in a Petro than in a Moskva. U cant be selective when u compare. Cuz then the comparison is flawed and unhelpful. No ship in the game is completely useless. Its about the balance between the ships.
And ur also incorrect. I can easily reliably break Moskvas guns with the Petro. Then driveby and delete it. I cant do the same in reverse.
thats why when i see petro i don't even bother to shot him because i fed up shooting those stupid balans and just wasting my ammo for 1-3k damage especially when im in a bb
@@fahmimike4999 yes. And ships wasting shots on a ship that doesnt take damage is also a balabcing factor. Many people dont take this into account
Not true IMO. I exclusively play the Petro (over 900 games so far) and I have been bitch slapped by many ships (Cits) at good anglels but it does not seem to matter. Petro is not broken IMO. It is exceptional at close range (12k or less). But even then, I get throttled hard at times. It did not used to be that way before 10.7
Sup PQ. Do u guys have the French ship: Jean Bart on Pc. On console its AA rating is 100 with the relevant modds added.
ye, but JB is no longer available for sale. you can get her black Friday version though, in the upcoming black Friday event.
How does range mod increase accuracy? When I look at it, it just looks like it extends the cone, not narrow it.
Dispersion formula over range. GK has the same thing.
Yes it does, but only in the horizontal dispersion axis. With the way that WG coded the dispersion, the vertical dispersion axis remains the same value after extending the range. See "Reverse Engineered: Dispersion Ellipse - including Vertical part!" from the wows subreddit for a more detailed explanation and pictures.
des moine should be like this....
whats the icon mod?
Ain't accuracy parameter for flak cloud is different?
Unlike the dps, it's not accuracy anymore, it's average number of flak spawned, if the ship has 10 90% means roughly 8-10 flak each salvo.
I remember that one game where i got 130k dmg against FDR in Smolensk.That FDR should have killed me few times over but i still lived because of People's Power AA
Also out of 10 super containers i got...no steel nor coal,but 45 days of premium which i was pretty...i was not surprised at all
I’m currently on Riga for this line. Preto may be amazing, Riga on the other hand is… well not terrible but not great. I enjoyed Tallin far more due to the amount of guns and having torps. As a former BB main I’m still trying to grind out my cruisers and destroyers to move away from the doomed class. Any suggestions on lines?
I am also in the same direction I just recently upgraded my Tallinn at first I didn't enjoy the ship but when I got some practice then I can say that Tallinn best works in the 15-16 km of range and really it feels great that I finally learn that ship.
Go for Venezia and Halland
Same, Tallin was much better for me than Riga
Go venezia, fully recommended. This ship is so much fun hunting dds.
German cruisers line is alright to go for at least for Hindenburg. Don't expect much tankiness though
I honestly have no idea who you sold your soulto to get that Petro accuracy, whenever I try using one my shells land everywhere except for the ship I'm aiming at
Ive had games like tgis. Ive also had games you mentioned. It just depends ln how rng feels , some games i die super fast as everyone targets and gets lucky 10k damage hits.
gun fire control systems mod 2 buffs accuracy? i didnt know that. where does it say it?
I think he means the third module from the series he has lodged in? I think it has a very minor buff to accuracy.
Potato, you forget about those of us that are old potatoes that need a ship like the petro to even have a chance ;) Not really joking ;( Great video idea btw
I actually struggle with the Petro. I do much better with a DD, and through watching some of your videos, I have noticed improvement in my Petro play. The problem was my trying to play it almost like a DD and instead of "pushing", I was "rushing", which meant that I was exposing myself to crossfire. Petro is tough, but crossfire kills all.
Thanks for the help, Tater.
I love playing my AA colbert but I wish it had the longer range AA of other cruisers
So it took balans to balance balans
Interesting AA rthat actually works!
Moskva full AA is also very good! I’ve done full squad wipes on Most CV’s but not on FDR yet, hoping too one day 🤣 I think it’s the most satisfying thing to do! Especially when they say they avoided the Flak!
You wouldn't be wiping out any full squad of TX CVs (with 1-2 very specific exceptions) if the CV player was decent, even with full AA Moskva. Ships with even better AA can't do that. Just ask a good cv player friend to a training room. Notice in the game how the planes came in a straight path. I have killed Petros to death with TX CVs.
Im preety sure soviet cruisers have amongst the worst continuous damage.Their only advantage is alot of flak
Elbing also has a surprising long range aa
But in forum i learnt that there is no AA in wows...
Petro a powerful ship definitely. Bad for the meta though? I don't understand that. It is one of the few ships that is meant to be played aggressively and actually can as well as having good AA. With the current long range and HE spam meta, it is a nice change of pace. For ranked or CBs, fighting a petro is definetly brutal but for randoms, ships like Thunderer (Thun durr durr), Conquerer, and FDR should be far higher priority to receive balance changes as their impact on the game is far more negative, the skill required is far lower, and they are far more selfish (non-team play) ships.
AP centric ships should always be more powerful than HE, because there is far more capacity for counterplay.
I don't understand why the Soviet navy just build only Petros. Tankier than battleships, has better guns, less material to build, faster. Why use any other ship?
Because WG mechanic is not how the real world works 😂
Damn this is a predicament for wargaming. When an immoveable force meets an unnerfable object... think you just need to buff both of these ships honestly.
FDR just got nerfed.
The fdr squadron is really big, its very hard to doge the black clouds
any ship that has decent flak vs 300 PR CV
I need to finish that line
I’m sry how does range improve accuracy? Am I missing something? All I see is range increased, nothing about accuracy.
Yes it can be strong but the main problem is that you are not 100% sure that you will find a CV and you could use the points for much much better skill and also the hydro
"I know petro is broing..."
Petro is best, most consistent battleship in game :kappa:
Slava joins chat: Someone say consistent?
@@Capperr comrade, I need more research points. I'll serve the union
Nevsky AA build is also surprisingly strong
Ima 50% wr player with 4000 ish battles. I’ve had great games, terrible games and everything in between. One of my most memorable was a 52 plane kill Massa match. Back in the dead eye meta so I spec AA. It was glorious and I’m not even sure why since it’s all AI. But it was….
Interesting answer for a question I've never asked. XD
So, Pedro over Stalingrad in any way?
These is not possible in Asian server where there is actually more sniping meta and expert CV players which can even kill petro with torpedoes especially FDR is spammed in every tier X MM.
And that’s why you’re seeing so many SEA players transferring to the NA server.
@@amdhuntmc I am in EU now
WG will probably end up nerfing this ship by shortening the secondary's range ..........
Where do you see the accuracy buff on the range mod?! Or is that just a hidden feature?
shells land in a ellipse shape(if you've played wot artillery you know what I mean). petro's shells have a flat trajectory, so the major axis of that ellipse is vertical direction. Shooting at long range adds arc to those shells, which means reduced major axis length, which means you get better vertical dispersion. At the mean time, you only lose a little bit horizon dispersion, you get overall better dispersion by shooting long range target.
Notice from the super containers that they have HIGH VALUE of 1000 doubloons. That can be bought for $4 in the Premium shop. While the boxes are nice, the prizes/rewards you get are getting less and less each year it seems. I remember when we got good amounts of any item, ships, and LOTs of those items in super containers. I guess we should all forget those days as Wargaming seems to be on cash sucking binge right now, that seems to be their only focus. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed in who is running that company or has a clue about their customers and their feelings. I play it less and less, as they want more and more and give us less and less.
I got 60 plane kills against a Kaga in ranked a couple weeks ago, and only 3 were fighters. He was the last one alive and he still had full squadrons coming for me. Shit's fucked.
Kaga starts the game with 96 planes. Assuming the player runs regeneration in slot 5, she can theoretically have a total of 147 planes within a 20 minute period.
Watch them nerf AA mount survivability on Petro now, just like what they did on Kremlin. Wouldnt be surprised.
Pedro doesnt deserve the right to kill FDR squadrons, it has such strong advantages in Battle.
@@cryptor_hd2329 funnier thing is that WG said Petro is weak in randoms, and that zao is doing great (i guess that horse has been beaten to death and beyond), but yea comrade pierre pavlovsky needs to be sent to gulag :P (not defending cvs tho, that horse will forever be beaten no matter what xD)
MUSIC IN GAME AND IN PORT WAY TO LOUD!
Other than that great vid :)
I feel like if you build AA in most ships it should somewhat mirror THIS just not as powerful, and ships listed as having "good" AA should be EXACTLY like this
One of my wet dreams is being an AA escort but Minotaur can’t just do that anymore
It could never do that, since the Mino was added to the game. It just gets picked off the escorted ship. Anything take a look at it makes it blow up
@@jozseftoth9368 I never just blown up in a Minotaur I am pretty good at doidging with double rudder. But the AA is just like is not there. It doesn’t shoot anything down
Sad that your play on NA. I would play AA-Petro for you, just to play once with you.
looking at this, light cruiser AA seems even more of a joke than it already was
135,000 plane damage and it doesn't even count and no rewards for it.
i feel like petro is the only true escort ship in WoWs lmao
Far as i know the only thing the "Accuracy" stat for your AA does is lower your AA damage even lower then it already is by the %%% DDs are the only ships with 100% accuracy so their AA numbers are what you get, BBs and Cruisers tend to have lets say 70-95% something like that (id have to check, but generally your AA is only numbers are 20% or so less then the indicated number). As a Result the only way to do any real damage to planes if FLAK puffs, which tend to deal 1400-1600 Damage at the center of the blast.
And i wish they would just remove it cus....whats the point? its just stupid.
By plain numbers the Petro seem to win the AA competition against the Nevsky... but, somehow I feel way more safe in the Nevsky, because you'll never get hurt by a CV. Most planes are down, before they even reach the ship, while in a Petro it seems they can always make a first strike.
Nevksy has more flak, and the extra range means you will have more flak walls instead.
My record was 185k aa damage with petro against fdr, and fdr guy hate it
this game is getting to the point where coop is more interesting to play than pvp.
I will do Brawls/Ranked/CBs/Operations/Special Events or Co-op, but the very last thing I do is Randoms. Been like that almost a year now.
I wish wg would increase the ai intelligence so is not so easy
Co-op 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
You sound so frustrated Potato
Aaah yes.. a completely balanced ship....
A non AA heavy cruiser.. that shreds planes better even than Halland :|
its being nerfed in patch 10.10 i think, along with a buff to zao and i think a nerf to fdr
Are they really buffing Zao? I’ve had my Ibuki for months but haven’t felt much reason to finish the grind.
@@wtpiv6041 well they said they're bringing balance to petro, fdr and zao and I can't think why Zao would be nerfed when she's pretty useless nowadays
@@wtpiv6041 I've just been to find it, it's on the message to the community on the dev blog, scroll down to the feedback portion of it
@@Stonecrow99 Yup just found it myself. Thanks for helping out with that. Sadly no changes were stated but it would seem they might just buff Zao. I wonder how that will affect Hindenburg?
@@wtpiv6041 I'm not sure, hinden is still used alot more than zao, I prefer hinden over zao, wonder if they will just buff the reload on zao 🤷♂️
Was you assessment of the Petro given toy you by some Wargamjng manager? 🤭🤭
You are wrong about the survivability of Petropavlovsk. Goliath was the best ca (before nerf), and with Goliath (Drake also, but harder), I was able to kill in one on one with no problems Petropavlovsk from a distance of 15-18 km (Stalingrad also). I had a situation that I kill in a single game 2 P who were in division.
Just tried a Full AA Petro against an FDR with your build. NOPE! Got smashed hard. Didn't shoot many planes down with active AA on and switched to there attacking side. Not a good build IMO.
... just to add, my dispersion is not like what I see when you play Petro. My dispersion is ALL OVER THE PLACE! Bad hair day dispersion. Petro was not like this before 10.7. I have played over 900 games in the Petro. I know her well and things are not good for her now. Or, is WG nerfing me?
Welcome to the WG most hated rng club
@@Alienvisitor007 My feelings exactly! RNG IS the most broken thing in WOW, no the Petro or any other ship. No consistency at all.
Lol no dd' so you can push .. game 1 out of 50.
INFLICT MAXIMUM GRIEF ON CV PLAYERS
I dont thinkj petro is op. it is very situational... long range brawls with other cruisers you will lose... you will lose a lot against torp walls due to bad manv capabilities also although it has a radar honestly i hate how short it lasts and again it is not the best with all upgrades.. what is going with petro is that it fills a bb slot as a cruiser imo. you have to get very close with the ship to do decent damage.. not to mention horrible turret traverse worse than kremlin.. on par with yama or sth it is a high skill high reward ship
Very correct sir. At close range, I once put 6 Cits into a Yama and wiped her out at 8k out. But beyond 12k, your just another soft hitting cruiser. Plus the bad dispersion I am getting lately, a Tallin is better than a Petro when trying to hit anything. I have noticed the the dispersion with Petro is terrible (after 10.7) at any range. If this is the future, then Petro will be a forgotten ship with mediocre damage.
You won't lose because other cruisers cant pen your deck with HE.
@@BSoDexe you will lose cause of your tier 5 HE and any other cruiser can just bow in/out and win against you
@@danh7411 this shit pens my cruisers 6-10k bow in
@@BSoDexe He can never do that, maybe you aren't "bow in" as much as you thought
I wish people would see the stupidity of always ragging on the best ship in the game. If Petro gets nerfed, there will be another ship to complain about. No one complains about Thunderer anymore, it's Petro all day every. It's a symptom of a really shitty mentality. PQ called it the flavor of the month/year and that's all it is. One has to be boss, and at the moment it's Petro. Enjoy it instead of whining about it like crybabies.
I, personally, don't think Petro is OP. She is really good at her roll. Each ship has a certain roll. Their is not one ship that can do it all IMO. Petro needs support as any other ship. But, when a NEW ship comes out (with it's gimmicks) then everyone will chase that rabbit (spending money/time) to get it, only to find yet another rabbit to chase. Petro is not the ship I remember when I got her. She has been nerfed in many ways that were not discussed IMO. I WISH I had dispersion like PQ did in this vid. I would see my old damage output and higher scores again.
@@jayedgar2373 petro is better at cruiser stuff than a cruiser, and better at bb stuff than a bb
@@BSoDexe Not true. Just got finished playing a big round with the A. Nevsky. Way different ship. Spam HE for 150,000+ and almost got a Kracken. But it is way different than playing the Petro. The A. Nevsky can do things the Petro just can't do. There are other CA's that can do things the Petro can not do. Yes, Petro is a little like a BB. You play it similarly and at much closer ranges if you want to make an impact in the game. As for heavy cruisers, Petro is one of the best, if not the best heavy CA. But only really at close range. Her AA is excellent (but I like the A.Nevsky AA better). Being able to smash the Petro now a days is easy. Just burnt a Petro down with my A. Nevsky. In my Des Moines, I have slapped and killed a Petro using AP. As for BB's, the Petro only does a fraction of what a BB can do. The most damage in 1 salvo I have ever done in a Petro is around 16,000 (22,000 if most are Cits). BB's damage in a salvo can reach over 50,000! The damage output of BB's verses Petro is not on the same page here.
This is free data PQ, therefore worth every penny. Personally I'm getting tired of awesome players constantly saying this or that ship is OP and does not belong in the game. Maybe so, if used to it's full potential by somebody like yourself or Flamu, etc.
YOU are the captain, and you can choose to sail it like we do with every flag, upgrade, etc. that we can.
OR, you can take the bare ship out with no captain, no modules, no flags, NOTHING.....and see if you feel better with the experience it provides.
Are you up to the challenge?
ew range mod petro
just call it a golden lion, this is its name and please stop abusing the lange. it hurts my ears and pride.