You can have *compasion* for the abuse a person suffered in their past and at the same time fervently condemn them and their actions. Two truths can exist at the same time.
things I’ve learned from true crime: don’t walk outside don’t be pregnant don’t be in your car alone don’t be a child don’t be asleep in your own house don’t get married
The fact Bailey still speaks to us as her friends and she apologised for missing the last couple Mondays when she absolutely did not need to means so much
exactly i’ve been waiting and thinking to myself the whole time she is probably busy doing important things now that she is getting more viewers and fans ❤️😄i patiently wait
Yeah I like that she talks to us like we're, friends and people rather then a lot of people who treat people like fans or who are unimportant. I love her I'm super excited for what her other channel will be.
When it comes to perpetrators with traumatic backgrounds, it’s okay to feel bad for the child version of them but it’s important to hold the adult version of them accountable for their actions. But accountability can also be done with empathy and consideration of their traumatic background, which Bailey does so well.
Do you best to disfigure them as well. If you can say I scratched their arm hard enough to bleed , they they have a better chance of finding them. Especially if you can't remember what they look like, or the discriptiin is vague.
You can definitely tell who watches Dateline and 48 hours! 🤣 I try to always keep my nails long for that very reason! If you come after me your going to be bleeding!
You should do that, and also leave a trail of your own hair, blood, and you can bite off your own finger tips. Leave as much evidence behind as you can. I pray no one is ever in that situation though.
I am from the same county as Lisa Montgomery and had an infant daughter when this event occurred. A friend of mine was pregnant and lived across the street from the convenience store where Lisa worked. She asked my friend about her pregnancy and my friend told her she was having a boy. Lisa replied, "Oh, I am having a girl." It is chilling to think of it now.
A testament to a mother's love and strength! She fought til the very end and I think that's the takeaway. I don't want to hear about this evil woman, I want to focus on this mother who was bleeding out and still tried to go find her baby girl. That's sad and amazing!
Monsters create monsters. It’s too bad that Lisa’s Stepfather, mother, and all of her other abusers, didn’t have to face the music for their crimes too!!
Agree 1000% percent! THESE are the types of people that deserve the death penalty! I have stated on many juror questionnaires that "I believe anyone who abuses a child should be put to death". Guess what? I don't get picked.
@@flossiemae927 as someone who got sexually abused in my childhood, I want to thank you. I often feel like people think I speak "just out of trauma" or that I "overreact". Those people have of course no idea how it is, but they also have probably never visually imagined what's exactly going on in those situations and what the rapists/ abusers exactly do. Therefore to read this makes me tear up. Thank you so much
I don't understand why can't we put the convicts abuser to trail. Like yes the person did commit a heinous crime but that doesn't mean the monsters who made her a monster should be able to roam free . Like idk if it's too hard but if they can't give those monsters a punishment atleast put them to shame. Just because the crime wasn't reported doesn't mean that the crime didn't occur . I feel then real justice would be given
When I became pregnant with my 3rd child it was a total surprise bc i was on birth control. I jokingly told a friend that she could keep my baby. My husband (at the time) made it clear that i was joking but just a few weeks later this woman started buying baby clothes!!! We noped right out of that and moved away! I still don't know what the friend's intentions were but i wasn't gonna wait around and find out!
Certified EMT here and I can confirm that we are indeed offered counseling after traumatic incidents as well as any time we feel it's needed. Can't do the job without it.
I’m so disgusted hearing the things Lisa went through as a child. It’s not an excuse at all - but a lesson that this is what happens when sick, abusive, twisted people have access to children. This entire story is devastating.
I hate to say this but it’s sadly like what do you expect? How do you expect this woman would grow up to become? I feel so awful for her but also for Bobbie Jo because that is probably one of the worst ways to die.
The saddest part to me is that everyone in this story, could have had a happy ending. If Lisa had been removed from the home at the first sign of abuse, just like her sister, it’s likely that she would never gone on to commit such a vicious crime
Instead of putting so much energy on locking up and executing people I wish the focus can be shifted to *helping* the human race so we don’t have to bury another person and imprison or execute one, for Pete’s sake when will this country help the children! Fact is you could rehabilitate Lisa to feel remorse she is permanently damaged, that remorse and empathy was supposed to be demonstrated to her when she was a beautiful innocent little girls, fact is she still is a little girl always will be she stopped growing up when her innocence was stolen, it serves no purpose to keep the system the way it is, but there is no hope in this country is there. this empathy we all can’t help but feel for Lisa WILL serve a purpose one day. It will be the drive that motivates us to PROTECT the children so we’d potentially be saving lives.
@@VerosBeautyChannel obviously the mom was also messed up for drinking and allowing her child to be abused. It’s a cycle, as a society we were too late to fix the mom but the damage could be contained if Lisa was saved from such an environment
I feel like Bailey should put on screen at the beginning of her videos the definitions of "empathy" and "sympathy" for people unable to make the difference
Her parents should have gone to prison for the horrific things they did to her. Then maybe she could have had a chance at life with therapy. The divorce judge should be ashamed of himself. If she had help before hand maybe this might have never happened......Btw happy to see you back
I was thinking about this too! Like, Lisa's mom was there when her daughter -- the child she trafficked and abused -- get the lethal injection?? She wasn't in jail????
Typically the statute of limitations for average crimes (statute of limitations being the amount of time after a crime that a person can begin a trial over) is anywhere from 1-6 years in the US, however higher offenses like child abuse have anywhere from 30 years to no limitations for opening a case/beginning a trial. Some of the states have laws specifying that the statute is unlimited if the survivor/victim filed a complaint within 1-2 years of abuse. Hope that explains it.
@@samofsamnation7523 yess came here to say this. some states have an unlimited statute IF the child was under a certain age, too, which kind of just... blows my mind, I guess because I dont know the thought process behind that. I'd love for unlimited ones everywhere because so many people who had been abused as children could feel better, ya know.
There is also another argument I’ve seen about why we should humanize bad people: if you go around thinking that bad people are monsters rather than humans, then you don’t believe that you or any of your friends/family/acquaintances etc. can be “monsters” or do the sort of bad things that “monsters” do. So like, anyone who thought like that could’ve seen Lisa Montgomery and been like “no way, I know Lisa, she’s not a MONSTER, she would never do something like that” and people inadvertently DO wind up excusing bad behavior because they don’t believe their friend is a monster. I guess Bailey gets a lot of hate for trying to explain where these horrible people come from, but honestly, I think she has the right idea. These people don’t just come out of the ground, or fall from the sky-they’re PEOPLE, who came to be people in the standard way. By othering people like this, we close off the ability to maybe solve future problems of why people are like this, after we make more advancements in neuroscience, psychology etc. and can really start nipping these things in the bud.
Lisa was A victim, but she was not THE victim in this case. My heart hurts for her as a child but there is absolutely no excuse for what she did, period.
This is absolutely so well said. A lot of people tried to make excuses for her which I get because she did have a horrible life. But it does not excuses her for her actions and while she was a victim she was not a victim in this particular case.
Just like the joker. Criminals are just broken souls. They encounter bad, but also do bad. You cant blame them for their past, but you can blame them for what they do because of their past.
Hi, Bailey! When I was pregnant waaaaaay back in 1975 we moved into a new neighbourhood. The lady across the street was also pregnant. Or so she said. As I kept getting bigger and bigger she did not. Finally it became apparent she was not pregnant. I was terrified. If she thought she was pregnant, why couldn't she think my baby was hers? Everybody pooh-poohed me. Remember - 1975. True crime was not such a popular topic, no internet, etc. The only person who thought I could be right was the VON who visited me (home nurse). Anyway, the lady had a breakdown and ended up in the psych ward where she called me every week to come and get her. We moved away shortly after and I don't know what happened to her. But as the years go by and I have heard similar stories to this one, I know I was right to be careful
@@houseofschenck6230 Nope, don't remember her name. I must have blocked it out because I remember the names of everyone else in the neighbourhood. I'm in Canada, so it would be my province (Nova Scotia) I will check if by chance it pops into my head as happens sometimes. I do remember that she was Polish so it was not a common name. Thanks!
I have worked in the Police Dept for 24 years, we are offered counseling for these types of calls. They sometimes take over your entire thoughts... it's never easy. Thanks for your videos Bailey, love this channel! I was thinking of doing a makeup channel and discussing the police and emergency calls that I have handled for all these years.
The fact that Lisa gets punishment for her crime but the people who abused her so viciously don't is the second most horrifying part of this story to me. absolutely
I completely agree, she definitely deserved to be punished Bc what she did was unfathomable, but that doesn’t mean that Lisa herself does not deserve Juctice for all that she went through.
I agree. I think the death penalty was too harsh a punishment for her, especially after everything she had been through and the countless people that didn't have her back when she needed it most (even the judge who never reported the abuse!!).
Phantom pregnancy are very very real and extremely traumatic. After I had a miscarriage I went through a phantom pregnancy. I had phantom kicks, gained weight, mood swings, started producing breast milk, and even though I was going to an OB and therapy I started believing maybe I was pregnant. It was only 3 months after losing a baby at 7 weeks. Maybe baby was a twin, maybe I got pregnant again, or maybe I didn't lose baby at all. I also didn't take a pregnancy test because I didn't want the truth. Idk how to fully explain it, but once I came to the realization there was no baby, about 6 weeks later or 4.5 months after the loss of baby, it was like I lost another baby and went through another miscarriage. Positive ending, we have 3 beautiful girls. 🥰
Morbid podcast says “you can feel for the child, not the adult” when someone has a hard upbringing! It makes me feel better because people have awful upbringings, but it doesn’t excuse their crimes.
The purpose of us being fascinated and curious about morbid things is not to get angry and assign punishment. It's to empathize, learn and course correct within our own lives.
My old counsellor told me a few years ago “people may have a reason that explains certain behaviour, that doesn’t mean they can use it as an excuse for their behaviour”
The woman who gave birth to Lisa shouldn't be classified as a mother. Any woman who is horrible to their own offspring doesn't deserve that title. It's an insult to all women who genuinely love & care for their kids.
Totally off subject but you're one of the first people I've come across that uses and "e" at the end of Wolfe. I'm from a small town tho so it's like WHOA! lol
As someone who was abused in every way as a child I’ve never purposely hurt another human. I’m terrified of violence and while I dislike being around fellow humans I don’t think I could ever hurt someone🤷🏻♀️
I definitely feel &; agree 1000% with your statement. The trauma I’ve gone through.. emotionally and sexually. The emotional was the worst.. I couldn’t hurt someone else unless they were hurting me.. because why make someone go through the pain that others put us through.. break the cycle.
Bailey telling us to get our attackers DNA under our nails gave me chills. like the sincerity in her voice and the care and passion she has on top of imagining it got me in my feels and feeling chilly mane
I can’t help but wonder if she “liked” being pregnant because he wasn’t abusing her while she was pregnant. It was probably the only peace she ever got in life
@@teyagould5823 hearing her story was absolutely heart wrenching. Her family and the system failed her so horribly. It’s so sad that it lead to her ruining so many other lives. Her family should be held accountable for what she endured and her victim.
When I was pregnant I refused to be in public without my husband to protect me in fear of this exact thing happening!!! If anyone talked to me even being sweet I would be scared that they were targeting me. Very strange feeling.
There were so many times where Lisa’s torture could’ve stopped. Someone could’ve intervened. But in the end she was alone. all that hatred and abuse she was subjected to turned her into a monster. She’s at fault for her terrible actions but so is everyone that abused and neglected her in a way.
It's hard to even define "at fault" clearly, here. We don't know what's going on in people's heads when they are that severely damaged over the course of their entire lives, the formative years in particular. Who knows how much control she had of her decision making? The prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed until we're 25. What if due to physical and psychological trauma combined with substance abuse, all for YEARS and long before 25, that part of her brain responsible for decision making just NEVER developed adequately? I don't think premeditation proves anything though it's the best measure we really have... If she was dissociated from reality and had multiple forms of brain damage, that premeditation was done by a mind playing by rules we don't understand. She could never continue to live among other people but if she didn't want to die, I don't see any way we can determine (beyond a reasonable doubt) that she was ever capable of making a decision that warrants execution.
I’m not a cop but I am a first responder, yes they do offer us therapy. There are so many resources!!!! Peer support groups, firefighters support teams, we also have a chaplaincy to respond to scenes for family members!
When it comes to understanding the killers’ backstory, it’s about empathy, not sympathy. You can understand the circumstances and motives behind their actions but that doesn’t mean that you sympathize with them. 😌
To add to your point, having no empathy for them frankly just perpetuates the problem that created them. Many of them were raised by people who had no empathy for them and treated them inhumanely. To simply say they are monsters unworthy of compassion or understanding ignores how they were created. They represent the ways our society continues to fail us.
@@Thewhitequeen0 to ignore the plight of another is to perpetuate it. There were many people involved in making this particular monster. Let’s do better as a society. Who else loves the smart people in the comments? I know I do!
When I was pregnant with my first I had a nightmare that something like this happened. I woke up in tears sobbing my eyes out. That poor woman will never have gotten to hold her baby 🥺
I like that you give the “bad guys background”. It humanizes them and it does explain a lot. Like most of them didn’t just wake up one day and decide to do bad things and be a bad person.
that's true - it helps us understand them better. while whatever their background is and what they've been through doesn't excuse their actions, at least u can kind of ... know why they did what they did ?
I think its the ones who just woke up one day and choose crazy are the ones who scare me the most tbh. Because there is no reasoning or cause if that makes sense.
Bailey, this story hits home something fierce. In 2009 my cousin Heather Snively was killed for her unborn son. She was also 8 months pregnant. Thank you for covering this story. Just FYI if you are pregnant and find like free clothes, please take someone with you, DON'T go alone.
I remember hearing about this happening to Heather. Such an absolute sad and terrible thing. I live in West Virginia which is why I heard about it. Continued prayers for you and your family.
my cousin, Michelle Wilkins had the same thing happen to her in 2015. thankfully she’s still alive today. i’m so sorry about your cousin, i don’t understand how someone could do that.
@@ivychapman7601 I am sorry to hear that your family had to go through this as well. No one should have to go through this. I am happy to hear that your cousin made it. Thank you. Prayers for your family.
i think she is definitely a victim, but i don't believe it excuses her actions. like you said, it takes a special kind of sick to do something so horrible.
@@TaxidriverBarbi I actually disagree with this. I think many abused people abuse. That's why it's so important to break the cycle. My mum's childhood was so traumatic, it's all she knew. She was an abusive mother herself, because she didnt know how not to be one. Getting people help in time is also important
also one more thing, you cant really say it doesn’t excuse her actions. you haven’t ever been through what shes been through you may be right but who are you to judge? who are you?
I read this book years ago! Glad to know how the story finally ended. Anyone who can “successfully” remove a baby with a kitchen knife isn’t mentally incompetent to me. The courts made the right decision.
Don't apologize for taking time off from making content. The current culture of "content creation" is unrealistic and unhealthy. So many of us (myself included) are beyond burnt out from the expectation that we need to pump out new content constantly with no breaks. You do what's best for you!
You should really consider converting these videos to audio podcasts. Your voice is so soothing. I literally go to sleep to your video. But I have to keep the TH-cam app open to listen to it and it drains my battery.
This is so cruel that my brain just refuses to wrap itself around that people like these exist, it almost feels like something that came from a fictional story but no. That's just so dark.
@@kurochan_dat90schick death's too easy for them. They get the worst treatment from other prisoners (rightfully so) and that's pretty much the closest to a worthy punishment they can get.
I am a Mr Ballen fan and saw a pic of you guys, had to know who you were. This is the first rando video I was blessed to click on, and as a small business owner, the relatabilitity of “my bad I missed the last 3 mondays, im a one man show” was SO appreciated 🤣😂💪🏽💜 The collaboration of your story telling and makeup skills kindles the fire in my soul to keep going on my path. Thank you. Best of luck to you in your endeavors, may you stay encouraged!!
I like hearing the back stories because it’s where you realize how much the state, judges, and police also failed. Like yes, the criminal did something awful but there’s always hundreds of ways that authority figures also did awful things. These true crime are the outliers but imagine how many other people are going through something similar
Absolutely! All these stories usually start with childhood abuse and it is really sad. Doesn't make it right, but things could have been different if just one person had done the right thing you know?
I'm a little late watching this, but as an EMT who often arrives on scenes like this one with cops/detectives/etc, I can confirm that my place of work does provide a certain amount of free therapy to all of us first responders. What's scary, and something I certainly find the longer I work there, is that only a small amount of people will actually accept it. We are encouraged not to dismiss our feelings but we do it anyway. It's one of the worst parts of the job, learning to live with those ghosts you couldn't even begin to save. I can't imagine what those who discovered this scene went through, especially her poor mother.
If it's being offered for free everyone should seek therapy, if having to deal with anything like this case. You need someone to talk to that isn't connected to it in any way. Trauma will have a negative impact on your life, whether it is current or historical. It's easier to deal with when it's current... after some time it is so much harder
First responders I know chose to not have the help offered because of the stigma the think they'll face from peers, wanting to feel like they have it together, and fear that the therapist could recommend they take time off work (to the boss). People seek help when it feels safe. A system where you could lose your income and reputation is a big ask for these folks who are already absorbing so much.
You should do the Andrea Yates story. She drowned all of her kids in the bathtub and tucked them into their beds. It was a huge story in Texas when I was growing up and I would love to hear your perspective on the whole thing.
Exactly what I was thinking of. That happened about 20 minutes away from my childhood home. There are so many similarities, although I don't know if Andrea's catatonic schizophrenia was caused by trauma in her life or if it was something she inherited.
@@jillk9112 wasn’t she pressured to have all of those babies by her husband? Like I thought he was ultra-religious and controlling. Maybe that’s what pushed her over the edge. I know that pregnancy has a huge effect on the brain. You can develop post-partum psychosis.
Bailey- if you do this story- please give a warning that kids are killed - cause that is one thing I can’t listen too! Even though I love you: I’m a regular. I just can’t handle that kind of story.
@@Laurencita i believe in a documentary I heard that he wasn’t supportive either and moved them from a nice house to a small trailer. I watched him in his interview it was so scary how non chalant he was everything though
My dad just retired from the police department after 31 years of service and they do offer therapy for the police officer and their entire family for free. We all got therapy to help cope with whatever we were dealing with including with what my dad did for a living(we had to deal with it too because he come home from work) Which was fatal accident so he saw a lot of gross scenes and bodies daily. So his department did take them and their families. Super grateful for that
Even worse than her mom who trafficked her was all the men who happily took the child as payment. How many people do we run into every day who would do the same??
It's absolutely disgusting, many men and women in powerful positions do so everyday. We just don't hear about it because it's covered up. Plenty of human trafficking survivors have talked about all the lawyers, politicians, doctors, cops and so on that they saw come in to be with different children.
Bailey you're the best at this! I watch you literally everyday. I recently started listening to you in my car. No music when I'm driving NOPE...Just me in my car driving and listening to Bailey's videos 😊❤🙌🏽🥰😋
As a social worker I can’t help but be angry at her sister being removed by social services but not her. Where I work we say, if one kid isn’t safe-they’re all not safe. If Lisa would have been removed with her sister all of this could have been avoided. ✨deep breath✨
Yeah I hated that too. And I’m sure the other sister felt/feels guilty. These situations can be so maddening. It’s so hard to see a kid in an awful situation and not be able to do anything because they don’t have visible bruises, etc.
This is why she's my favorite some of the others sound so monotone. I understand for the seriousness of the stories but this is why I look for Bailey every Monday. N
I’m from Connecticut born and raised (I live in LA now) but YES. She gives me ~tri-state gossip with your hairdresser~ vibes all the time as she spills all the tea about murderers.
@@mollyfoxxx I've lived in Jersey my whole life and the gossiping is my favorite part of getting my hair done. Which reminds me, I need to text my stylist.
literally.. like how do you even find that out? that people are doing that, or your friend is doing that family is doing that? how do you tell someone hey you can do whatever you want w my child if you do this for me? if that were me i’d be like calling the cops asap, how did no one ever find out?!?! it’s insane
I watched a doco yesterday about child trafficking and it was the most disturbing disgusting video on it I have EVER seen!! It's called the eyes of the devil by a polish journo interviewing a mother that wants to sell her unborn baby and a man who buys kids and goes into detail about the process, how they get them, who buys them and what they do with the children...it is absolutely horrific..
@@AcaciaBieberLove because people who are sick like that or weak and easy to manipulate and use like that they’ll gravitate toward each other. Chances are these types of people are the type of people they’ve always been around and known. It’s usually part of a vicious cycle that started before them.
That’s what I was thinking. How did everyone agree? There was not one single person that contact the authorities to report the abuse. They just went with it. It’s so disgusting. It just goes to show how many sick people are out there!
Bailey, I just love every single thing about you! You are so authentic, so comfortable in your gorgeous skin! Love your honesty and your one of a kind humor! You are so intelligent and so funny at the same time, normally it's One or the other! You rock Bailey...I can't imagine you have any trolls but I hope they don't effect you in any way! They are jealous and just don't have a life! Love you girl!!
Thank you for giving Lisa’s backstory. You’re right, it doesn’t excuse her behavior, but it definitely helps draw the lines of where things went wrong for her. Poor child, going through so much pain. She ended up perpetuating pain. Oh and my middle name is Jane Marie, so yeah.
Dont EVER apologize for taking care of you, tending to your brand, or anything in your life Bailey! ❤️ you are a human. It’s more than just TH-cam. We appreciate you when you’re here & when you’re not 🥰 sooooo happy you’re back!
The apology makes her even sweeter, and I know she gets scared that people are gonna freak out if she skips, so she's probably just protecting herself as well. I agree though - always here no matter how many skips 😅♥
You can tell she gets so stressed when she misses a few weeks and it makes me sad lol. I can’t believe people get angry with her for it. I just rewatch older episodes because I always miss something.
I wish you would do one on the storie about Hailey Cummings. The Five year old girl from Satsuma Florida. I lived there at the time and my youngest daughter was in her Kindergarten class. It ripped my heart out to be honest. I knew this child. I helped look for her. And to this day, I still think about Hailey. Wondering what really happened.
As a foster parent I can tell you that the system makes little sense sometimes. No one cared about Lisa it seems like. And then consequently she had no ability to care about Bobbi Jo. It just rolls on and on.
Lisa was literally dealt a bad hand in life. Seems like she couldn’t catch a break. But no. It doesn’t justify what she did to that poor woman, Bobbie Jo.
Yes, police, paramedics, and firefighter received counseling after traumatic experiences like that. Is it enough? Who knows.
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I think most true crime youtubers understand that it is very emotionally draining researching tragic and horrendous stories, we learn the story by heart, read for hours and then listen to it all over again while filming and editing. Sometimes a break is necessary
Love these videos, especially because of the deep dives into the perpetrators background. My middle name is also Marie so more evidence towards the Marie middle name trend.
I always find interesting when you realize the moment that people like this could’ve had a totally different life. Like with Lisa the moment was when the sister was removed and she wasn’t, like had she been removed as well her life could’ve been totally different. It’s the moment that possibly determined her path in life.
I love how the social think leaving one child behind is acceptable but the others to be taken away... did they think because she was 3 all of a sudden the beatings and abuse would stop?! Her life could’ve been so different. I mean... There’s so many people to blame for this woman’s awful life. However, I do not condone anything she did but she absolutely needed help and support and wasn’t given any. 😔
Bailey CONGRATULATIONS again for being on "Kelly Clarkson Show". It was truly amazing and blessing to see that segment on the show. Even Kelly is a big fan of yours as well🎉🥳👏🏾!!
I'm an EMT, after bad calls we are required to talk to someone trained in debriefing and we have multiple staff trained and on call to talk to at all times
I'm glad to hear it! I hope all responders and all people that have the guts to deal with what society can't handle (confronting death) are given access to some kind of therapy.
Unfortunately, my state doesn't require experts for debriefings. At my station, we typically talk to our partner or, if it was really bad, our boss. I really wish we had professionals, because sometimes it's nice to just have an outsider to talk to
I feel for you guys. People forget that you guys have to deal with scary stuff first. I know a firefighter who's team got to the house fire too late and they didn't know that. He pulled out a family. They were all dead😭 he had to have therapy for years.
I love that Bailey acknowledges people's histories. We love to rely on the old "evil" explanation but the reality is there's a lot of evidence that murderers are made and not born. The may be the only way to prevent these crimes in the future
I did a paper on the nature vs nurture and a lot of them have a very interesting thing wrong with their brain that makes them act differently there's usually a problem with the connection between the amygdala and the frontal lobe that makes them behave more impulsively I feel like we should take a look at more brains of murderers or people who commit serious crime
I agree. People do horrible things and absolutely need to be punished for it, but looking at their history can help others not go down the same path. Maybe they can get help or someone could reach out and help them, unlike what Lisa's brother did, and that person would not be the next Dahmer or Bundy or Lisa Montgomery.
Yes I agree. The humans nature to make a martry of everything is evil in itself. The 'evil' in the world is always directly connected to the 'evil' within ourselves.
As a student of psychology I do appreciate the back stories I don't in anyway condone their actions but it paints a better picture of the why in some cases.
This brings back to my mind the book " A child called it" I can never understand how people bring themselves to abuse a child who is so innocent. A child who just wants to be loved and cared for by parents who brought them into this world. It boggles my mind.
@@melissahinkson2047 I've posted for her to look into doing the story behind "A Child Called It". It was so insane and gutwrenching. However, there is a controversy about its credibility.
@@sakura4157 Yeah I read about all the controversy surrounding the accounts chronicled in the book, however if it is true as a mother it is unfathomable to me how a mother could think to do this to a child. It is interesting to really find out what happens to bring a mother to this point of abuse. Applying psychology can only go so far for an explanation.
What Lisa did to Bobby was absolutely sick and terrifying, the woman was ill and in my opinion? I’m not mad she got the death penalty, but my heart does ache for her past because she was a victim herself that got no justice.
I was a victim myself of a very evil babysitter my parents had just bought our family home so they botched worked many hours so we kids me a 5 other brothers and sisters were sent to this babysitter every weekend this babysitter did nothing but abuse us the last weekend I was there I almost died from appendistis my mom called off and on all weekend to check on me she would lie to her I really don't know how I survived it all I know is I woke up in the hospital hooked up on all kinds of tubes she was literally watching me die she wanted me to so any ways the DA wanted my mom to press charges back then it was up to the parents but she didn't she told me later that she never wanted me to see her again needless to say I was pretty mad at my mom but I understand why now so I never got justice when this babysitter died I put a black rose on her grave that was my justice I suffered and almost died needlessly....
I don't personally think she deserved the death penalty. I mean, she actually WAS mentally ill and it would have made sense. This woman was clearly sick and I don't think the death penalty was deserved....but I DO think it was necessary. She wouldn't have gotten any better in an asylum. And definitely not in jail. So there wasn't much of an option, I guess.
It’s honestly sad. If Lisa was removed from her home when her sister was and put into treatment and therapy, she may have gone on to live a happy and healthy life. Poor BobbyJo may have still been her to see her daughter grow up. Lisa being failed so many times by so many people led to such tragic events.
This is why I hate the anti social work and antifoster care attitude that ppl have. Bc this is what happens when these systems arent used. Even with the current flaws (mainly due to lack of funding) taking away children is sometimes necessary and shouldn't be abused or ignored as an option for children.
This story just makes me mad. The system failed Lisa so many times. So many chances to get her out of that house. Her half sister got taken away by CPS but Lisa had to stay?! Then when she does this (which I’m not condoning at all. Lisa definitely should have been locked up for life) they’re like “Oh OOPPPSSS!!! Hee hee! Sorry you fell through the cracks but you gotta go now. Kbye.”
Her day dreaming was actually dissociation, and it’s a coping mechanism and very easy to slip into without being aware. Happens usually in stressful situations
Yes!! And it's so common for people in traumatic situations to learn this response and use it as a coping mechanism for protecting yourself against what's happening
This is why we as a society need to take child abuse and neglect more seriously. How was the woman not going to do something horrifying after leading the life she did. I have empathy for her but please don't confuse that with sympathy. I hope the baby grew up to have a happy and healthy life. Such a heartbreaking story. RIP, Bobby Jo.
" How was the woman not going to do something horrifying after leading the life she did."(sic). You seem clueless about the number of people that grew/grow up in abuse and neglectful homes. You have unknowingly insulted me personally and all the others like me. We survived and many thrived after leaving the negative reinforcement we endured. Very, very few of us are murderers and kidnappers. I'm not claiming we're all completely well-adjusted but who is? Judge not, we all have issues at some point in our lives.
@@Johnboy33545 From one survivor to another, I don't feel offended...me & you might have thrived, but after reading studies upon studies because I found out my abuser was abused in the same way, I found that the likelihood of children who were abused to offend as adults is much higher. But luckily, there are so many of us who haven't repeated the cycle of abuse. I don't think it is a coincidence that so many criminals have bad childhoods. It can't be. It is the case way too much. I think that we either end up repeating or doing better. Hurt people just hurt peope...so maybe the effect it has on us just depends on the kind of person we really are inside. Nature vs Nurture definitely has some play here.
I love the phrase " It explains it, it doesn't excuse it." When talking about bad people. Bailey, you are awesome.
I agree I love the phrase “It explains it, it doesn’t excuse it.” I love Bailey’s Monday videos.
Definitely. Like it's an explanation but certainly not an excuse
Never heard this before but it is really a perfect saying for a lot of things.
This and "you can understand the reason behind someone's actions without having to forgive them for what they did".
@@sarahbrivio4159 oooooo love it
I MISSED U BAILEY
i follow u lol
hi jazzy ^.^
I did too! Only thing I look forward to on Mondays at work during my lunch. Such a boring lunch the past 2 or 3 mondays!
SAME
We all missed Bailey
You can have *compasion* for the abuse a person suffered in their past and at the same time fervently condemn them and their actions. Two truths can exist at the same time.
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Amen to that! I think you nailed this case with that statement
This is a great way to put it!
Perfectly said
Exactly 👏🏻👏🏻
things I’ve learned from true crime:
don’t walk outside
don’t be pregnant
don’t be in your car alone
don’t be a child
don’t be asleep in your own house
don’t get married
Don't you dare smile and light up a room
@@ingrid9443 Don't be the life of the party or have a personality bigger than life itself
@@sabrinamameri8309 lol survival 101
Don’t be female. Don’t have a bubbly personality.
Don't be part of a "normal" "happy: family
The fact Bailey still speaks to us as her friends and she apologised for missing the last couple Mondays when she absolutely did not need to means so much
exactly i’ve been waiting and thinking to myself the whole time she is probably busy doing important things now that she is getting more viewers and fans ❤️😄i patiently wait
I didn’t even notice lol.
Yeah I like that she talks to us like we're, friends and people rather then a lot of people who treat people like fans or who are unimportant. I love her I'm super excited for what her other channel will be.
Agree 100%
I literally feel like she’s my friend
When it comes to perpetrators with traumatic backgrounds, it’s okay to feel bad for the child version of them but it’s important to hold the adult version of them accountable for their actions. But accountability can also be done with empathy and consideration of their traumatic background, which Bailey does so well.
Very well said!
Wow that’s was perfect
That's the perfect way to describe that!
So wise !
Very true, also I love your profile picture ❤️ so dang cute 😍
“But scratch the shxt out of attackers.”
-Safety PSA by Bailey Sarian
We need a billboard
The makeup and her face make it funny 😂
Very serious and important message though
Also don’t forget to buy the mother Effer So you have DNA in the mouth to
The more you know*
The fact that her baby is about to graduate high school right now is crazy. Can’t believe it’s been that long already
Bailey out here bringing meaning to Mondays. Bless you sis.
EXACTLY!
Yes Lawd!!! I was struggling with work until I got to sit down and watch this on my lunch break!!
My son knows baileys theme song 😭
Papa bless
Giving us that sunshine AND that true crime
"Scratch the s*** out of the attacker" is actually fantastic advice. No a great situation to be in, but set up justice however you can....
Do you best to disfigure them as well. If you can say I scratched their arm hard enough to bleed , they they have a better chance of finding them. Especially if you can't remember what they look like, or the discriptiin is vague.
Rip out hairs from the root when in an Uber or taxi too
Also LEAVE something of YOURS at the scene, like jewelry, a piece of clothing, ANYTHING
You can definitely tell who watches Dateline and 48 hours! 🤣 I try to always keep my nails long for that very reason! If you come after me your going to be bleeding!
You should do that, and also leave a trail of your own hair, blood, and you can bite off your own finger tips. Leave as much evidence behind as you can. I pray no one is ever in that situation though.
you’re the reason I got into Criminology and now i’m about to graduate and I’m just so grateful for your videos. Thank you, Bailey!!
Wow, that's amazing! Congratulations!
Kudos to you. I could never get into crime. You’re literally fighting real life monsters😭😭😭
That sounds so great! All the best to you! 😊
Well done!! I hope you go on to have a successful career 🥳
Job security for real. Congrats on the upcoming graduation!
I am from the same county as Lisa Montgomery and had an infant daughter when this event occurred. A friend of mine was pregnant and lived across the street from the convenience store where Lisa worked. She asked my friend about her pregnancy and my friend told her she was having a boy. Lisa replied, "Oh, I am having a girl." It is chilling to think of it now.
Uh… yes. That’s terrifying
"Bobby Jo regained consciousness after her stomach was cut open". Can you even imagine? That is completely beyond horrific.
A testament to a mother's love and strength! She fought til the very end and I think that's the takeaway. I don't want to hear about this evil woman, I want to focus on this mother who was bleeding out and still tried to go find her baby girl. That's sad and amazing!
@Elise Gonzalez which episodeeeeeee
This case is horrific.
Side note; Bailey would definitely suit dimple piercings
She fought so hard for her life and baby!.
@Elise Gonzalez how horrible, I hadn't heard that.😔
Being pregnant was probably the best Lisa was ever treated. That’s so sad.
Exactly:(
That is so sad😢
It's probably the only time the abuse stopped for her.
Ya it is because I’m pregnant and not treated that great... people say the rudest things to you...
She faked her pregnancy!
Monsters create monsters. It’s too bad that Lisa’s Stepfather, mother, and all of her other abusers, didn’t have to face the music for their crimes too!!
Agree 1000% percent! THESE are the types of people that deserve the death penalty! I have stated on many juror questionnaires that "I believe anyone who abuses a child should be put to death". Guess what? I don't get picked.
yes yes yes 1000% percent agree!
@@flossiemae927 as someone who got sexually abused in my childhood, I want to thank you. I often feel like people think I speak "just out of trauma" or that I "overreact".
Those people have of course no idea how it is, but they also have probably never visually imagined what's exactly going on in those situations and what the rapists/ abusers exactly do.
Therefore to read this makes me tear up. Thank you so much
Agreed
I don't understand why can't we put the convicts abuser to trail. Like yes the person did commit a heinous crime but that doesn't mean the monsters who made her a monster should be able to roam free . Like idk if it's too hard but if they can't give those monsters a punishment atleast put them to shame. Just because the crime wasn't reported doesn't mean that the crime didn't occur . I feel then real justice would be given
When I became pregnant with my 3rd child it was a total surprise bc i was on birth control. I jokingly told a friend that she could keep my baby. My husband (at the time) made it clear that i was joking but just a few weeks later this woman started buying baby clothes!!! We noped right out of that and moved away! I still don't know what the friend's intentions were but i wasn't gonna wait around and find out!
Glad you left that's scary.
Certified EMT here and I can confirm that we are indeed offered counseling after traumatic incidents as well as any time we feel it's needed. Can't do the job without it.
I’m so disgusted hearing the things Lisa went through as a child. It’s not an excuse at all - but a lesson that this is what happens when sick, abusive, twisted people have access to children. This entire story is devastating.
Totally agree. I’m so confused on how I feel regarding this story.
And then those people who did that to her probably were treated badly as children too. It’s a cycle.
Agreed. Really such a tragedy
I hate to say this but it’s sadly like what do you expect? How do you expect this woman would grow up to become? I feel so awful for her but also for Bobbie Jo because that is probably one of the worst ways to die.
A tragedy on all sides, really.
The saddest part to me is that everyone in this story, could have had a happy ending. If Lisa had been removed from the home at the first sign of abuse, just like her sister, it’s likely that she would never gone on to commit such a vicious crime
Instead of putting so much energy on locking up and executing people I wish the focus can be shifted to *helping* the human race so we don’t have to bury another person and imprison or execute one, for Pete’s sake when will this country help the children! Fact is you could rehabilitate Lisa to feel remorse she is permanently damaged, that remorse and empathy was supposed to be demonstrated to her when she was a beautiful innocent little girls, fact is she still is a little girl always will be she stopped growing up when her innocence was stolen, it serves no purpose to keep the system the way it is, but there is no hope in this country is there. this empathy we all can’t help but feel for Lisa WILL serve a purpose one day. It will be the drive that motivates us to PROTECT the children so we’d potentially be saving lives.
This would’ve been avoided if the mom didn’t drink while pregnant so Lisa wouldn’t get brain damage
@@VerosBeautyChannel obviously the mom was also messed up for drinking and allowing her child to be abused. It’s a cycle, as a society we were too late to fix the mom but the damage could be contained if Lisa was saved from such an environment
@@sheenayadav8714 that is true
I feel like Bailey should put on screen at the beginning of her videos the definitions of "empathy" and "sympathy" for people unable to make the difference
Her parents should have gone to prison for the horrific things they did to her. Then maybe she could have had a chance at life with therapy. The divorce judge should be ashamed of himself. If she had help before hand maybe this might have never happened......Btw happy to see you back
Sounds like 1/2 the town should've gone to jail for what they did to her!! Oh my, what a sick sick place
Facts
@@misscyanic2484 that part! It seemed like that whole town knew what was happening and turned a blind eye. It’s really angering and sad
They do offer consulting.
Well said , I agree!
Why isn’t there punishment for the parents who abused their children? Yes even after the fact!
I was thinking about this too! Like, Lisa's mom was there when her daughter -- the child she trafficked and abused -- get the lethal injection?? She wasn't in jail????
Typically the statute of limitations for average crimes (statute of limitations being the amount of time after a crime that a person can begin a trial over) is anywhere from 1-6 years in the US, however higher offenses like child abuse have anywhere from 30 years to no limitations for opening a case/beginning a trial. Some of the states have laws specifying that the statute is unlimited if the survivor/victim filed a complaint within 1-2 years of abuse.
Hope that explains it.
Statute of limitations expired
@@samofsamnation7523 yess came here to say this. some states have an unlimited statute IF the child was under a certain age, too, which kind of just... blows my mind, I guess because I dont know the thought process behind that. I'd love for unlimited ones everywhere because so many people who had been abused as children could feel better, ya know.
Because there's something called statute of limitations.
Never apologize for having empathy, Bailey. There is a seriously appalling lack of it currently. 💖💝
Absolutely
There is also another argument I’ve seen about why we should humanize bad people: if you go around thinking that bad people are monsters rather than humans, then you don’t believe that you or any of your friends/family/acquaintances etc. can be “monsters” or do the sort of bad things that “monsters” do. So like, anyone who thought like that could’ve seen Lisa Montgomery and been like “no way, I know Lisa, she’s not a MONSTER, she would never do something like that” and people inadvertently DO wind up excusing bad behavior because they don’t believe their friend is a monster.
I guess Bailey gets a lot of hate for trying to explain where these horrible people come from, but honestly, I think she has the right idea. These people don’t just come out of the ground, or fall from the sky-they’re PEOPLE, who came to be people in the standard way. By othering people like this, we close off the ability to maybe solve future problems of why people are like this, after we make more advancements in neuroscience, psychology etc. and can really start nipping these things in the bud.
I think bailey is so beautiful before and after makeup and I love her online personality she's totally the vibe
Lisa was A victim, but she was not THE victim in this case. My heart hurts for her as a child but there is absolutely no excuse for what she did, period.
Absolutely no excuse, just an explanation. Which is sad.
This is absolutely so well said. A lot of people tried to make excuses for her which I get because she did have a horrible life. But it does not excuses her for her actions and while she was a victim she was not a victim in this particular case.
Just like the joker. Criminals are just broken souls. They encounter bad, but also do bad. You cant blame them for their past, but you can blame them for what they do because of their past.
Amen! I couldn't be a defense attorney. Not one that uses a bunk defense just for a notch in their belt. I couldn't live with myself.
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Hi, Bailey! When I was pregnant waaaaaay back in 1975 we moved into a new neighbourhood. The lady across the street was also pregnant. Or so she said. As I kept getting bigger and bigger she did not. Finally it became apparent she was not pregnant. I was terrified. If she thought she was pregnant, why couldn't she think my baby was hers? Everybody pooh-poohed me. Remember - 1975. True crime was not such a popular topic, no internet, etc. The only person who thought I could be right was the VON who visited me (home nurse). Anyway, the lady had a breakdown and ended up in the psych ward where she called me every week to come and get her. We moved away shortly after and I don't know what happened to her. But as the years go by and I have heard similar stories to this one, I know I was right to be careful
If you remember her name, try doing a Google search or checking criminal records in that state.
@@houseofschenck6230 Nope, don't remember her name. I must have blocked it out because I remember the names of everyone else in the neighbourhood. I'm in Canada, so it would be my province (Nova Scotia) I will check if by chance it pops into my head as happens sometimes. I do remember that she was Polish so it was not a common name. Thanks!
Glad you were cautious ❤️
Wow. Glad you’re safe!
My favorite part about Mondays 😭💛
Literally the only thing I like about Mondays
@@MH-vo1cc don't be that guy... she has a life outside of TH-cam
@@MH-vo1cc bailey doesnt owe us anything. ur not entitled to her time or effort.
My last 3 Mondays were horrible 😣
Ir right i tell mt friends about these all the time and explain the stories
Bailey you’re awesome I’m 68 years old and I listen to you as often as I can. You’re a very understanding and empathetic person. Bless you sweetie.
Honestly dude, you're doing the work of like 4 people- research, writing, filming, and editing-- you take your time. We got you, boo. 🥰
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Does she still have an employee? I wanna say...Christine? Lindsay? I hope so ! She deserves all the help she can get
I have worked in the Police Dept for 24 years, we are offered counseling for these types of calls. They sometimes take over your entire thoughts... it's never easy. Thanks for your videos Bailey, love this channel! I was thinking of doing a makeup channel and discussing the police and emergency calls that I have handled for all these years.
don’t think about it just do it already.
this would be something I would subscribe to! also, I spy another one of those middle names 😂❤️
Do it!!
Do it !!!!!
That sounds interesting! Let me know if you do! I would LOVE to subscribe!!
The fact that Lisa gets punishment for her crime but the people who abused her so viciously don't is the second most horrifying part of this story to me. absolutely
I completely agree, she definitely deserved to be punished Bc what she did was unfathomable, but that doesn’t mean that Lisa herself does not deserve Juctice for all that she went through.
I agree. I think the death penalty was too harsh a punishment for her, especially after everything she had been through and the countless people that didn't have her back when she needed it most (even the judge who never reported the abuse!!).
I concur!
Agree.
I totally agree!
Phantom pregnancy are very very real and extremely traumatic. After I had a miscarriage I went through a phantom pregnancy. I had phantom kicks, gained weight, mood swings, started producing breast milk, and even though I was going to an OB and therapy I started believing maybe I was pregnant. It was only 3 months after losing a baby at 7 weeks. Maybe baby was a twin, maybe I got pregnant again, or maybe I didn't lose baby at all. I also didn't take a pregnancy test because I didn't want the truth. Idk how to fully explain it, but once I came to the realization there was no baby, about 6 weeks later or 4.5 months after the loss of baby, it was like I lost another baby and went through another miscarriage.
Positive ending, we have 3 beautiful girls. 🥰
Thank you for sharing your experience. People don't understand how traumatic and mind altering pregnancy and pregnancy loss can be.
@@rosesanderson4625 Agree, Especially the men who make the rules. 🙄 So many hormones are changing and up and down.
Lisa knew that she was lying about being pregnant and simply wanted not to be caught in her lies.
I’m so sorry for your loss and I’m so happy that you and your family have a happy ending to your pregnancy story!
@@Nox-666.m thank you 🥰🫂
Morbid podcast says “you can feel for the child, not the adult” when someone has a hard upbringing! It makes me feel better because people have awful upbringings, but it doesn’t excuse their crimes.
The purpose of us being fascinated and curious about morbid things is not to get angry and assign punishment. It's to empathize, learn and course correct within our own lives.
My old counsellor told me a few years ago
“people may have a reason that explains certain behaviour, that doesn’t mean they can use it as an excuse for their behaviour”
But being psychotic and intellectually disabled is relevant and the jury had a right to know that.
Exactly!
@@imcalledweasley9280 that’s the best explanation!
Lisa’s mom should be held accountable for being such an awful human.
I definitely agree.. the men should be held accountable as well.
@Either Or 100%
What she did was awful, but it was a product of her being systematically failed by everyone around her
The woman who gave birth to Lisa shouldn't be classified as a mother. Any woman who is horrible to their own offspring doesn't deserve that title. It's an insult to all women who genuinely love & care for their kids.
Yes you can see the ripple effect this has years after. She should have been in court too
Let's take a moment to appreciate how the ✨confidence✨in the theme song has evolved 🙌🏻
For real though!😂🙌🏽
ikr
I find that lots of TH-cam intros drive me crazy, but for some reason Bailey's Shurnashurrrs aren't annoying to me😂
Totally off subject but you're one of the first people I've come across that uses and "e" at the end of Wolfe. I'm from a small town tho so it's like WHOA! lol
As someone who was abused in every way as a child I’ve never purposely hurt another human. I’m terrified of violence and while I dislike being around fellow humans I don’t think I could ever hurt someone🤷🏻♀️
Same here EXACTLY 💯
Exactly, I can’t even think abt causing someone the same pain I’ve been through
I definitely feel &; agree 1000% with your statement. The trauma I’ve gone through.. emotionally and sexually. The emotional was the worst.. I couldn’t hurt someone else unless they were hurting me.. because why make someone go through the pain that others put us through.. break the cycle.
Bailey telling us to get our attackers DNA under our nails gave me chills. like the sincerity in her voice and the care and passion she has on top of imagining it got me in my feels and feeling chilly mane
basically just do any kind of damage to them as you can.....
RIGHTTTT
So true! Spread the word!
Agreed. Practical but totally chilling.
Same
I can’t help but wonder if she “liked” being pregnant because he wasn’t abusing her while she was pregnant. It was probably the only peace she ever got in life
Thats what i thought. Lisa’s story of abuse made me cry my eyes out because my own story was so similar (minus the kids)
@@teyagould5823 hearing her story was absolutely heart wrenching. Her family and the system failed her so horribly. It’s so sad that it lead to her ruining so many other lives. Her family should be held accountable for what she endured and her victim.
I agree
Exactly. Is was the only time she was actually taken care of and treated nicely, rather than being abused.
@@teyagould5823 I’m so sorry you endured anything remotely like that. I hope you have a supportive network x
NEVER!!get rid of the “Theme Song” that is the essence 🤌🏽makes my day👌🏽
Paris really tried to cancel Bailey...not today!
When I was pregnant I refused to be in public without my husband to protect me in fear of this exact thing happening!!! If anyone talked to me even being sweet I would be scared that they were targeting me. Very strange feeling.
There were so many times where Lisa’s torture could’ve stopped. Someone could’ve intervened. But in the end she was alone. all that hatred and abuse she was subjected to turned her into a monster. She’s at fault for her terrible actions but so is everyone that abused and neglected her in a way.
I feel sorry for her :(
It's hard to even define "at fault" clearly, here. We don't know what's going on in people's heads when they are that severely damaged over the course of their entire lives, the formative years in particular. Who knows how much control she had of her decision making? The prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed until we're 25. What if due to physical and psychological trauma combined with substance abuse, all for YEARS and long before 25, that part of her brain responsible for decision making just NEVER developed adequately?
I don't think premeditation proves anything though it's the best measure we really have... If she was dissociated from reality and had multiple forms of brain damage, that premeditation was done by a mind playing by rules we don't understand.
She could never continue to live among other people but if she didn't want to die, I don't see any way we can determine (beyond a reasonable doubt) that she was ever capable of making a decision that warrants execution.
It's like they killed Bobby Jo too.
I agree seriously people
I’m not a cop but I am a first responder, yes they do offer us therapy. There are so many resources!!!! Peer support groups, firefighters support teams, we also have a chaplaincy to respond to scenes for family members!
Glad to hear
Yes!! My husbands work also provides support and help to their families as well! Thanks for all you do! ♥️
@@asvir9110 ❤️
that is so relieving 😭
thank you for mentioning peer support specialists :) we are rarely spoken of also thank you for the work you do
When it comes to understanding the killers’ backstory, it’s about empathy, not sympathy. You can understand the circumstances and motives behind their actions but that doesn’t mean that you sympathize with them. 😌
To add to your point, having no empathy for them frankly just perpetuates the problem that created them. Many of them were raised by people who had no empathy for them and treated them inhumanely. To simply say they are monsters unworthy of compassion or understanding ignores how they were created. They represent the ways our society continues to fail us.
Exactly!!
Well said, thank u 4 articulating
Well said
@@Thewhitequeen0 to ignore the plight of another is to perpetuate it. There were many people involved in making this particular monster. Let’s do better as a society. Who else loves the smart people in the comments? I know I do!
When I was pregnant with my first I had a nightmare that something like this happened. I woke up in tears sobbing my eyes out. That poor woman will never have gotten to hold her baby 🥺
I like that you give the “bad guys background”. It humanizes them and it does explain a lot. Like most of them didn’t just wake up one day and decide to do bad things and be a bad person.
Me too. Im always wanting to know the why like to get inside their head ya know
Yes exactly! I watch allot of prison stuff crime stuff but the ones that get to the why and the how could you? Like how does your brain work!?
that's true - it helps us understand them better. while whatever their background is and what they've been through doesn't excuse their actions, at least u can kind of ... know why they did what they did ?
The head injuries seem to be pretty consistent with these killers.
I think its the ones who just woke up one day and choose crazy are the ones who scare me the most tbh. Because there is no reasoning or cause if that makes sense.
Bailey, this story hits home something fierce. In 2009 my cousin Heather Snively was killed for her unborn son. She was also 8 months pregnant. Thank you for covering this story. Just FYI if you are pregnant and find like free clothes, please take someone with you, DON'T go alone.
I’m so sorry to hear that. I hope her son is okay and that the people who did that to her got what they deserved.
@@daisymae6 Thank you, unfortunately no we lost him as well. She got time, but most of us feel that she deserved more.
I remember hearing about this happening to Heather. Such an absolute sad and terrible thing. I live in West Virginia which is why I heard about it. Continued prayers for you and your family.
my cousin, Michelle Wilkins had the same thing happen to her in 2015. thankfully she’s still alive today. i’m so sorry about your cousin, i don’t understand how someone could do that.
@@ivychapman7601 I am sorry to hear that your family had to go through this as well. No one should have to go through this. I am happy to hear that your cousin made it. Thank you. Prayers for your family.
i think she is definitely a victim, but i don't believe it excuses her actions. like you said, it takes a special kind of sick to do something so horrible.
Yes, most of abused people don't abuse also.
@@TaxidriverBarbi I actually disagree with this. I think many abused people abuse. That's why it's so important to break the cycle. My mum's childhood was so traumatic, it's all she knew. She was an abusive mother herself, because she didnt know how not to be one. Getting people help in time is also important
@@jackiejeffords2932 we should pray for the abused
also one more thing, you cant really say it doesn’t excuse her actions. you haven’t ever been through what shes been through you may be right but who are you to judge? who are you?
@@jackiejeffords2932 most abused people break the cycle by not being abusers themselves and Doing all they can to not become an abuser.
I read this book years ago! Glad to know how the story finally ended. Anyone who can “successfully” remove a baby with a kitchen knife isn’t mentally incompetent to me. The courts made the right decision.
Don't apologize for taking time off from making content. The current culture of "content creation" is unrealistic and unhealthy. So many of us (myself included) are beyond burnt out from the expectation that we need to pump out new content constantly with no breaks. You do what's best for you!
You should really consider converting these videos to audio podcasts. Your voice is so soothing. I literally go to sleep to your video. But I have to keep the TH-cam app open to listen to it and it drains my battery.
But I loveeeee all you MM&M videos. I check for one every Monday. Lol
Same ahaha
Yes!!! Agree - I don’t even watch the video, just listen!
I think im tripping cause this comment is 4 hours old bit it says the video is 50 seconds old
dude same
As awful as the crime Lisa committed is, I’m more angry at the fact that Lisa’s mum, stepfather and all the rapists never faced justice
@Nina yeah fr! They where so clearly a danger to society while Lisa with help and being closely look after couldn’t have harmed anyone :/
This is so cruel that my brain just refuses to wrap itself around that people like these exist, it almost feels like something that came from a fictional story but no. That's just so dark.
@Hannah Smith nah they should be put to death and not have a bed, a meal, and still breathing...
@@kurochan_dat90schick death's too easy for them. They get the worst treatment from other prisoners (rightfully so) and that's pretty much the closest to a worthy punishment they can get.
Truee
I am a Mr Ballen fan and saw a pic of you guys, had to know who you were. This is the first rando video I was blessed to click on, and as a small business owner, the relatabilitity of “my bad I missed the last 3 mondays, im a one man show” was SO appreciated 🤣😂💪🏽💜
The collaboration of your story telling and makeup skills kindles the fire in my soul to keep going on my path.
Thank you.
Best of luck to you in your endeavors, may you stay encouraged!!
I like hearing the back stories because it’s where you realize how much the state, judges, and police also failed. Like yes, the criminal did something awful but there’s always hundreds of ways that authority figures also did awful things. These true crime are the outliers but imagine how many other people are going through something similar
Absolutely! All these stories usually start with childhood abuse and it is really sad. Doesn't make it right, but things could have been different if just one person had done the right thing you know?
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Imagine that kid hearing how she was born, must be awful 😩
i was thinking the same thing🥺 didn’t even get to meet or have her real mom cause bc of something horrible like that it’s sickening
TRUE!
Sad
Baily and Arnold Faks are my 2 favorite true crime channels
i think the lisa's childhood was way more awful
I'm a little late watching this, but as an EMT who often arrives on scenes like this one with cops/detectives/etc, I can confirm that my place of work does provide a certain amount of free therapy to all of us first responders. What's scary, and something I certainly find the longer I work there, is that only a small amount of people will actually accept it. We are encouraged not to dismiss our feelings but we do it anyway. It's one of the worst parts of the job, learning to live with those ghosts you couldn't even begin to save. I can't imagine what those who discovered this scene went through, especially her poor mother.
If it's being offered for free everyone should seek therapy, if having to deal with anything like this case. You need someone to talk to that isn't connected to it in any way. Trauma will have a negative impact on your life, whether it is current or historical. It's easier to deal with when it's current... after some time it is so much harder
Thank you for what you do.
First responders I know chose to not have the help offered because of the stigma the think they'll face from peers, wanting to feel like they have it together, and fear that the therapist could recommend they take time off work (to the boss). People seek help when it feels safe. A system where you could lose your income and reputation is a big ask for these folks who are already absorbing so much.
Hope to hear more and make a video on these for educational purposes
I hope you’re doing okay, Victoria. Thank you for what you do. 🧡
I laughed so hard when Bailey said, "My initials are BS..."with that silly look on her face like 'Yeah...' 😆 so cute! ☺💟
She's back 😁
So did anyone else see Bailey on the Kelly Clarkson show last week??
Bailey is doing it girl! 👏👏👏👏
Yes I saw it! She was great!
Yessssss
Yessss!👏👏👏😇
She was so great! Wish Kelly would’ve let her finish like one sentence though 😤
Yes 💕
I need a shirt that says “ if I go missing call Bailey Sarian”
Right?! 😂
Yessss
I looooovvvveeee this lol
Yes! Lol
I can make it
You should do the Andrea Yates story. She drowned all of her kids in the bathtub and tucked them into their beds. It was a huge story in Texas when I was growing up and I would love to hear your perspective on the whole thing.
* gasp * La Llorona
Exactly what I was thinking of. That happened about 20 minutes away from my childhood home. There are so many similarities, although I don't know if Andrea's catatonic schizophrenia was caused by trauma in her life or if it was something she inherited.
@@jillk9112 wasn’t she pressured to have all of those babies by her husband? Like I thought he was ultra-religious and controlling. Maybe that’s what pushed her over the edge. I know that pregnancy has a huge effect on the brain. You can develop post-partum psychosis.
Bailey- if you do this story- please give a warning that kids are killed - cause that is one thing I can’t listen too! Even though I love you: I’m a regular. I just can’t handle that kind of story.
@@Laurencita i believe in a documentary I heard that he wasn’t supportive either and moved them from a nice house to a small trailer. I watched him in his interview it was so scary how non chalant he was everything though
Here because I’m digging for episodes I haven’t seen
you’re living my dream
My dad just retired from the police department after 31 years of service and they do offer therapy for the police officer and their entire family for free. We all got therapy to help cope with whatever we were dealing with including with what my dad did for a living(we had to deal with it too because he come home from work) Which was fatal accident so he saw a lot of gross scenes and bodies daily. So his department did take them and their families. Super grateful for that
They offer for certain military personnel too
Even worse than her mom who trafficked her was all the men who happily took the child as payment. How many people do we run into every day who would do the same??
That’s the most terrifying part of this story for me too
Literally!!
It's absolutely disgusting, many men and women in powerful positions do so everyday. We just don't hear about it because it's covered up. Plenty of human trafficking survivors have talked about all the lawyers, politicians, doctors, cops and so on that they saw come in to be with different children.
...I wouldn’t want to know that’s terrifying and disgusting
It's terrifying
Bailey you're the best at this! I watch you literally everyday. I recently started listening to you in my car. No music when I'm driving NOPE...Just me in my car driving and listening to Bailey's videos 😊❤🙌🏽🥰😋
As a social worker I can’t help but be angry at her sister being removed by social services but not her. Where I work we say, if one kid isn’t safe-they’re all not safe. If Lisa would have been removed with her sister all of this could have been avoided. ✨deep breath✨
Yeah I hated that too. And I’m sure the other sister felt/feels guilty. These situations can be so maddening. It’s so hard to see a kid in an awful situation and not be able to do anything because they don’t have visible bruises, etc.
Yup
This happened to my husband & his siblings when they were younger. Only 2/3 were taken from the home. It baffles me that they wouldn't take all.
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side note: Bailey tells true crime stories like your gossiping hair dresser from jersey
As someone who's mostly had hairdressers from New Jersey, I can confirm this.
This is why she's my favorite some of the others sound so monotone. I understand for the seriousness of the stories but this is why I look for Bailey every Monday. N
I’m from Connecticut born and raised (I live in LA now) but YES. She gives me ~tri-state gossip with your hairdresser~ vibes all the time as she spills all the tea about murderers.
@@mollyfoxxx I've lived in Jersey my whole life and the gossiping is my favorite part of getting my hair done. Which reminds me, I need to text my stylist.
Nailed It!!!
The “escaping to a world of her own” is dissociative episodes. The brain trying to protect her from the trauma
I dissociate alot after I have really bad ptsd episodes which for me is reliving situations I was put in and alot of people dont get it
@@theblissfull_queen5664 that’s a terrible thing to go through. I pray for you *hug*
@@carriebell3566 thank you so much, hugsss💕
@@theblissfull_queen5664 you’re welcome 💕
@@theblissfull_queen5664 sadly if people haven't went through anything they will never get survivors. :(
A similar case happened here in chicago in 2019. It was so sad everyone mourned the mothers and son’s death. RIP Marlen Ochoa-Lopez and her baby 🕊
Girl don’t apologize for building yourself or taking breaks. If it means more Bailey we are here for it!
Agree 100%.
WELL SAID
Bailey: “but you know, it’s still...”
Me: “suspish!”
Bailey: “questionable.”
Me: 😐
This the one! 🤣🤣🤣💀
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🤣💀 that was me too! Since when is anything questionable and NOT suspish!??
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Same.
I’m always surprised that parents traffic their kids but also that there are so many willing adults wanting to abuse and buy kids
So many twisted people out there 😭😣
literally.. like how do you even find that out? that people are doing that, or your friend is doing that family is doing that? how do you tell someone hey you can do whatever you want w my child if you do this for me? if that were me i’d be like calling the cops asap, how did no one ever find out?!?! it’s insane
I watched a doco yesterday about child trafficking and it was the most disturbing disgusting video on it I have EVER seen!! It's called the eyes of the devil by a polish journo interviewing a mother that wants to sell her unborn baby and a man who buys kids and goes into detail about the process, how they get them, who buys them and what they do with the children...it is absolutely horrific..
@@AcaciaBieberLove because people who are sick like that or weak and easy to manipulate and use like that they’ll gravitate toward each other. Chances are these types of people are the type of people they’ve always been around and known. It’s usually part of a vicious cycle that started before them.
That’s what I was thinking. How did everyone agree? There was not one single person that contact the authorities to report the abuse. They just went with it. It’s so disgusting. It just goes to show how many sick people are out there!
Bailey, I just love every single thing about you! You are so authentic, so comfortable in your gorgeous skin! Love your honesty and your one of a kind humor! You are so intelligent and so funny at the same time, normally it's
One or the other! You rock Bailey...I can't imagine you have any trolls but I hope they don't effect you in any way! They are jealous and just don't have a life! Love you girl!!
I think it's about time we got a new makeup brand called "Suspish"
I kind of like “BS cosmetics” 😂.
Yes!
Isn't that her nail polish line?
I agree with two comments here...
'Suspish by BS Cosmetics'.
I love this idea SO much. 🖤
And all the products are named after Bailey phrases and her topics. That’s genius somebody tell Bailey to do this!!!!
Thank you for giving Lisa’s backstory. You’re right, it doesn’t excuse her behavior, but it definitely helps draw the lines of where things went wrong for her. Poor child, going through so much pain. She ended up perpetuating pain. Oh and my middle name is Jane Marie, so yeah.
Dont EVER apologize for taking care of you, tending to your brand, or anything in your life Bailey! ❤️ you are a human. It’s more than just TH-cam. We appreciate you when you’re here & when you’re not 🥰 sooooo happy you’re back!
The apology makes her even sweeter, and I know she gets scared that people are gonna freak out if she skips, so she's probably just protecting herself as well. I agree though - always here no matter how many skips 😅♥
You can tell she gets so stressed when she misses a few weeks and it makes me sad lol. I can’t believe people get angry with her for it. I just rewatch older episodes because I always miss something.
I wish you would do one on the storie about Hailey Cummings. The Five year old girl from Satsuma Florida. I lived there at the time and my youngest daughter was in her Kindergarten class. It ripped my heart out to be honest. I knew this child. I helped look for her. And to this day, I still think about Hailey. Wondering what really happened.
As a foster parent I can tell you that the system makes little sense sometimes. No one cared about Lisa it seems like. And then consequently she had no ability to care about Bobbi Jo. It just rolls on and on.
Lisa was literally dealt a bad hand in life. Seems like she couldn’t catch a break. But no. It doesn’t justify what she did to that poor woman, Bobbie Jo.
Period.
Yes, police, paramedics, and firefighter received counseling after traumatic experiences like that. Is it enough? Who knows.
I think most true crime youtubers understand that it is very emotionally draining researching tragic and horrendous stories, we learn the story by heart, read for hours and then listen to it all over again while filming and editing. Sometimes a break is necessary
Love these videos, especially because of the deep dives into the perpetrators background. My middle name is also Marie so more evidence towards the Marie middle name trend.
I'm so concerned for Victoria Jo I can't imagine starting life like that.
I can't imagine how she deals with it. And she's only 17
She’s alive and that’s already more than you can say about her mother.
@@yomama12546 yeah, but I'm sure that life for her has been traumatic af
I always find interesting when you realize the moment that people like this could’ve had a totally different life. Like with Lisa the moment was when the sister was removed and she wasn’t, like had she been removed as well her life could’ve been totally different. It’s the moment that possibly determined her path in life.
Yes! And how that decision affected so many other people's lives too!
I love how the social think leaving one child behind is acceptable but the others to be taken away... did they think because she was 3 all of a sudden the beatings and abuse would stop?!
Her life could’ve been so different. I mean... There’s so many people to blame for this woman’s awful life. However, I do not condone anything she did but she absolutely needed help and support and wasn’t given any. 😔
@@Vicky-bn7jt Totally agree.
@@amandariley8 Right, it's mind boggling.
yeah exactly, the butterfly effect is wild
Bailey CONGRATULATIONS again for being on "Kelly Clarkson Show". It was truly amazing and blessing to see that segment on the show. Even Kelly is a big fan of yours as well🎉🥳👏🏾!!
we just learnt about this in my ethics class like 2 weeks ago, so when i saw this i knew i NEEDED to hear baileys take on this
The fact that there are that many sick men that would pay to sleep with an 11 year old ...sick 🤢🤮
Its a sick world we live in
and parents that would rent the daughter out..sick, disturbing and awful!!
The same thing happened to my half-sister when she was 12. The fact that anyone could do that to their kid is disgusting.
@TheLovelyRose sadly, this isn't a recent trend.
There are men out there that pay to sleep with kids even younger than 11 years old...😳😥🤬
I'm an EMT, after bad calls we are required to talk to someone trained in debriefing and we have multiple staff trained and on call to talk to at all times
I'm glad to hear it! I hope all responders and all people that have the guts to deal with what society can't handle (confronting death) are given access to some kind of therapy.
Unfortunately, my state doesn't require experts for debriefings. At my station, we typically talk to our partner or, if it was really bad, our boss. I really wish we had professionals, because sometimes it's nice to just have an outsider to talk to
I never once was offered debriefing. Im a South TX paramedic.
I feel for you guys. People forget that you guys have to deal with scary stuff first. I know a firefighter who's team got to the house fire too late and they didn't know that. He pulled out a family. They were all dead😭 he had to have therapy for years.
Did the baby go back with the original dad
I love that Bailey acknowledges people's histories. We love to rely on the old "evil" explanation but the reality is there's a lot of evidence that murderers are made and not born. The may be the only way to prevent these crimes in the future
Support prison reform
I did a paper on the nature vs nurture and a lot of them have a very interesting thing wrong with their brain that makes them act differently there's usually a problem with the connection between the amygdala and the frontal lobe that makes them behave more impulsively I feel like we should take a look at more brains of murderers or people who commit serious crime
I agree. People do horrible things and absolutely need to be punished for it, but looking at their history can help others not go down the same path. Maybe they can get help or someone could reach out and help them, unlike what Lisa's brother did, and that person would not be the next Dahmer or Bundy or Lisa Montgomery.
Yes I agree. The humans nature to make a martry of everything is evil in itself. The 'evil' in the world is always directly connected to the 'evil' within ourselves.
The fact that she knew enough to watch videos of c-section and then actually do it...girl, she knew what she was doing
As a student of psychology I do appreciate the back stories I don't in anyway condone their actions but it paints a better picture of the why in some cases.
Same here. People ask “how can someone do something so horrific”. The back story explains exactly how they were capable of doing what they did.
Exactly. It's an explanation, not an excuse, it gives insight into what they were thinking.
This brings back to my mind the book " A child called it" I can never understand how people bring themselves to abuse a child who is so innocent. A child who just wants to be loved and cared for by parents who brought them into this world. It boggles my mind.
@@melissahinkson2047 I've posted for her to look into doing the story behind "A Child Called It". It was so insane and gutwrenching. However, there is a controversy about its credibility.
@@sakura4157 Yeah I read about all the controversy surrounding the accounts chronicled in the book, however if it is true as a mother it is unfathomable to me how a mother could think to do this to a child. It is interesting to really find out what happens to bring a mother to this point of abuse. Applying psychology can only go so far for an explanation.
Everyone who abused her should also be in prison
Honestly give them the death sentence.
Agreed
IKR SHE WAS LITERALLY A CHILD! Were talking about a dozen pedos roaming free on the streets as we speak!!!!!
@@taylorm6797 Agreed
so u mean to tell me that after ALL OF THIS...lisa's mom and stepdad get to walk FREE?? Literal monsters continue to live their everyday lives??? tf??
Lets not forget her first husband
Her mom and stepdad are long dead
An Lisa's serving all of their sentences smh
It's unjust
More common than one would think. The man who assaulted me still walks free even, and I cant do a thing
Great story telling, girl! And I LOVE this look on you! 😍
What Lisa did to Bobby was absolutely sick and terrifying, the woman was ill and in my opinion? I’m not mad she got the death penalty, but my heart does ache for her past because she was a victim herself that got no justice.
I agree. I feel like if she had gotten more help earlier in her life, she wouldn't have done anything this horrific.
I agree
I was a victim myself of a very evil babysitter my parents had just bought our family home so they botched worked many hours so we kids me a 5 other brothers and sisters were sent to this babysitter every weekend this babysitter did nothing but abuse us the last weekend I was there I almost died from appendistis my mom called off and on all weekend to check on me she would lie to her I really don't know how I survived it all I know is I woke up in the hospital hooked up on all kinds of tubes she was literally watching me die she wanted me to so any ways the DA wanted my mom to press charges back then it was up to the parents but she didn't she told me later that she never wanted me to see her again needless to say I was pretty mad at my mom but I understand why now so I never got justice when this babysitter died I put a black rose on her grave that was my justice I suffered and almost died needlessly....
i agree
I don't personally think she deserved the death penalty. I mean, she actually WAS mentally ill and it would have made sense. This woman was clearly sick and I don't think the death penalty was deserved....but I DO think it was necessary. She wouldn't have gotten any better in an asylum. And definitely not in jail. So there wasn't much of an option, I guess.
It’s honestly sad. If Lisa was removed from her home when her sister was and put into treatment and therapy, she may have gone on to live a happy and healthy life. Poor BobbyJo may have still been her to see her daughter grow up. Lisa being failed so many times by so many people led to such tragic events.
This comment deserves a lot of likes. I agree 100% with you
This is why I hate the anti social work and antifoster care attitude that ppl have. Bc this is what happens when these systems arent used. Even with the current flaws (mainly due to lack of funding) taking away children is sometimes necessary and shouldn't be abused or ignored as an option for children.
“...Cows are just so precious And I’m precious. Therefore I am cow.” - Bailey Sarian 2021
Relate 😂
Lol
YESSS this needs to be top comments
This would be such a great quote to wear on a shirt especially if it's a lazy day.
this totally cracked me up when I heard it in the video :P
This story just makes me mad. The system failed Lisa so many times. So many chances to get her out of that house. Her half sister got taken away by CPS but Lisa had to stay?! Then when she does this (which I’m not condoning at all. Lisa definitely should have been locked up for life) they’re like “Oh OOPPPSSS!!! Hee hee! Sorry you fell through the cracks but you gotta go now. Kbye.”
Her day dreaming was actually dissociation, and it’s a coping mechanism and very easy to slip into without being aware. Happens usually in stressful situations
And people with severe PTSD endure this on a daily.
Yes!! And it's so common for people in traumatic situations to learn this response and use it as a coping mechanism for protecting yourself against what's happening
Wow. So, in your estimation, is she guilty of a crime, or nah?
It's kind of both. I'm like that. Constantly. But, I can get great stories and songs that way. 🎶🎵 So, there _is_ benefit.
@@jessiehermit9503 you have ptsd?
Me: “ i hope Bailey posted this week”
My bf: “it’s been like a month right?”
Both of us: “ I hope she’s okay”
check her Instagram! she's alsays posting if she misses a monday! 👏
My fiance and I as well lol...
I was like ok one week that normal but after 2 I started to worry too!
Us too!
me and my two personalities as well lol
Yay Bailey, so glad you're back!
3 hours ago? How?
Missed you beautiful 🤩
@@banannabelle5741 I’m confused too
Maybe different time zone?? 🤷🏻♀️
@@jenniferirvin569 it uploads at the same time for everyone, but their time in their place is just different so no
when bailey said “who’s middle name isn’t marie” i felt personally attacked
This tho 🤣🤣🤣
Me too!! 🤣🤣🤣
My middle name is Catherine lol 😂
My sister's middle name is Marie, which I laughed at, but mine is Celestia.
Really you need to chill...listen to what's happening out there in the world!!!! Don't sweat the small stuff. Don't be so insecure, oh boy!
This is why we as a society need to take child abuse and neglect more seriously. How was the woman not going to do something horrifying after leading the life she did. I have empathy for her but please don't confuse that with sympathy. I hope the baby grew up to have a happy and healthy life. Such a heartbreaking story. RIP, Bobby Jo.
" How was the woman not going to do something horrifying after leading the life she did."(sic). You seem clueless about the number of people that grew/grow up in abuse and neglectful homes. You have unknowingly insulted me personally and all the others like me. We survived and many thrived after leaving the negative reinforcement we endured. Very, very few of us are murderers and kidnappers. I'm not claiming we're all completely well-adjusted but who is? Judge not, we all have issues at some point in our lives.
@@Johnboy33545 From one survivor to another, I don't feel offended...me & you might have thrived, but after reading studies upon studies because I found out my abuser was abused in the same way, I found that the likelihood of children who were abused to offend as adults is much higher. But luckily, there are so many of us who haven't repeated the cycle of abuse. I don't think it is a coincidence that so many criminals have bad childhoods. It can't be. It is the case way too much. I think that we either end up repeating or doing better. Hurt people just hurt peope...so maybe the effect it has on us just depends on the kind of person we really are inside. Nature vs Nurture definitely has some play here.
@@gabs3174: Almost all abusers were abused but not all abused end up being abusers.