Experts say ‘no evidence’ Lucy Letby murdered babies
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- She's currently serving 15 whole-life sentences for murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others at a neonatal unit in Chester.
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But today a panel of international medical experts who considered the evidence used to convict the former nurse Lucy Letby said: 'we did not find any murders'. Letby's defence team have now applied to the Criminal Cases review body to have her case reconsidered.
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*The NHS covers up malpractice all of the time. They cover up complaints on a massive scale. Trust me. I've worked for them*
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Now that's a *bold* comment.
Same. Can confirm.
I've also seen it first hand, freshtoast3879 is not exaggerating.
Are you suggesting Harold Shipman was innocent too?
If shes innocent, they've ruined her life. No money or public vindication will ever fix it.
Exactly, and she will be having a terrible time in prison and no matter if they prove her innocence, some people will always think she's guilty.
Of course they have the people that run things these days know they have and there seems to be a fight between good and evil right now, if you are a decent and intelligent person with curiosity and a desire to learn they will seek you out and destroy you i've had the same done to me. Not no help from anyone and it was baseless hate and jealousy and then they let other people hurt me too and they get kicks out of it. They're a bunch of very unstable people that run things.
@@pielionrolls-j6b Yes. It happened to me too as an NHS employee.
@ Anything tied in with education it's going to happen to you because they get money for all the training they're supposed to get you, but at schools colleges and universities it's just bums on seats but it seems to be the same in hospitals these days too and they'll only train minium staff but poorly to keep the hospitals standing although barely.
She's clearly guilty.
As a person that’s dealt with that hospital first hand, and had someone very close to me sue them for serious medical issues whilst in their care, and at every opportunity the highest consults where always trying to pin blame on the lower level colleagues. I still believe that Lucy was framed for other people’s actions!
so all those parents staff and doctors are wrong then so she was not the one standing doing nothing as a child was in distress after having its breathing equipment removed give the green light for people that do that then
@ 14 experts have already proven that no baby’s where murdered, and all deaths where by natural cause or poor medical care, not 1 but 14 said the same ? So this clearly shows that it was poor practice across the whole team who worked them wards yet Lucy took the full brunt of the blame. Everyone should be accountable not just her ? Like I said in my previous comment I’ve been in that hospital and witnessed with my own eyes the lies and finger pointing the higher ups did to their fellow colleagues, one consultant even left the country during the court proceedings, people where dying whilst they sat around on smart phones, played cards and laughed amongst themselves. Lucy was a scapegoat I’ve said it from day 1 and I stand by that still
Very interesting ,it's just disgraceful
@@Jammysandwedge88...I'm not disagreeing with your comment but what about the evidence they found at her home when she was arrested the dairy she had and baby grows
@ Parents are not witnesses here,, and a number of staff raised concern about the pinning of blame on one individual when the CoC was not performing well enough.
This has been an ongoing case of malpractice.
I followed this case closely and, at the time, thought they'd caught a very dangerous woman. Then the evidence about the doors came out. At trial, they said that swipe key door evidence proved she was the only person near any of the babies as they deteriorated. I work in an NHS hospital and that was key evidence to me. If I'd been on the jury, it would have played a significant role in my decision to find her guilty. It came out, after her conviction, that this data was inaccurate and that she wasn't the person with each baby as their obs dropped and they deteriorated - but the way that it was swept under the carpet really bothered me. They just seemed to say "yes, it was wrong, but there's so much other evidence that it doesn't matter". That felt really "off".
Then they said at trial that babies only passed when Letby was on duty. Called her a bad omen and an "angel of death". That was wrong, too. In the same timeframe, 10 babies passed when she wasn't there. We were told to ignore that inaccuracy, too. The problem is inaccuracies are more than just incorrect figures or data, they are a sign that full attention has not been paid when putting the case together, raising the question "what else is wrong?".
Now, the professor who wrote the research on the supposed CoD of multiple babies, used by the prosecution to prove Letby's guilt, is saying "they misused my research". He feels so strongly that he's reviewed the medical evidence, reached very different conclusions (alongside several other experts) and even flown to London to present those findings? Yeah, they've seriously annoyed him...
Also, it's not uncommon for doctors to pass their failings onto nurses. If a doctor writes an incorrect prescription in a hospital, a nurse dispenses that prescription to the letter, and the patient is harmed, the nurse is on the hook for "not picking up the problem" and may lose their job. The doctor will face little to no consequences. Bullying isn't uncommon, either - in fact, it's prolific.
Too much is wrong here. I don't know if she did it or not, but this conviction isn't safe and she needs a new trial or, at the very least, a full and impartial review. The reasons given as alternative CoD - poor oversight of junior docs, poor standards of care - are the **EXACT** problems we see everyday in NHS Trusts up and down the country. They are the very things unions have been raising the alarm over and people have been striking about for the last year or so (it's not just been about pay, it's also been about safety).
Very sound post. I don't know if she is guilty or innocent, either. But I'm convinced she was convicted on insufficient evidence.
Thanks for taking the time to write that, you've made some interesting points.
Thank you for the kind comments - much appreciated 🙏😊
I'm very sceptical of both the evidence and the motivation to accuse her, in the first place. Also, I think you post is very sound, at the time, a lot of people, in a similar position to her tried to defend her.
Are you David Davis? Lol.
There is a massive thick line/wall between someone being "scapegoated" or a cover up for failures or circumstantial evidence and murder. Not just murder but being found guilty of several, she is serving what, 15 life sentences?
You are making a huge leap there. Also, doctors get in trouble all the time, it's the doctors signature on the prescription. Just because their disciplinary procedures and investigations are separate from other staff doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You can publicly view details of individual doctor investigations and tribunals that their professional body conducts. There is a whole industry of lawyers whose only job is suing doctors and NHS trusts.
What I wonder is this: what makes David Davis interested in this particular one?
The NHS will think nothing of throwing their employees under the bus to protect themselves.
Any employer,,,never mind the NHS.🏴🤣👍
As an ex NHS Nurse for the good part of 15 years I can completely confirm this is the case sadly.
What??@@dansparkes6628
@@dansparkes6628 It all went downhill as soon as they started introducing privatisation into the NHS. Need to go back to being fully regulated by the state, remove and root out all elements of corrupt privatisation. We see this everywhere, wherever privatisation is introduced, corruption soon follows.
She's clearly guilty.
The poor parents of these children have been misled, and a caring nurse has been scapegoated to cover up inadequate care and resourcing.
Read about Peter Ellis and the Christchurch creche if you want to see the double tragedy of false guilt and the impact on the innocent. Never trust the police.
Caring nurse? Delusional idiots name for a baby killer
caring nurse? lol
@NapWinter Yes!
@NapWinterso surprised a guy’s saying this simp💩
Sounds like a hospital cover up , scape goated her ?
You social media detectives are out in force again as usual defending the criminal
yes
Why did she write letters saying she was evil then ? 😂😂😂😂 what a moron
Well if it sounds like a cover up presented by her lawyers it must be true 🙃
It always is………unfortunately that’s why u should never work in any hospital or care home ect in any capacity….your life and reputation is on the line for such risky jobs
Let's hope she's being protected in prison during all this. Until the truth comes out.
This young lady deserves immediate action to avoid what appears to be a terrible ongoing miscarriage of justice.
White privilege. Nobody would give a dam if she wasn’t white, middle class, and British ‘cause she’d be less relatable.
The triumvirate of consultants, one a minor tv celebrity, who reported Letby to the police when their own competency had come under the spotlight in a report, should have been treated as suspects themselves.
My thoughts exactly
Exactly
@@deedee7733 spot on
IMHO they are clearly the real monsters in this story.
I've often wondered if Lucy was blamed by bad doctors to cover their mistakes....negligence by medics is a real thing unfortunately
if that's the case then how comes no babys have died since her sentence? shes clearly responsible.
@@kenwkls6392 how do you explain the many
babies that died after she was suspended?
how could so many deaths be attributed just to "negligence"? not saying lucy is at fault, but, could it have been the doctors?
I remember doing my nurse training and one message was drummed into us. Get it right, and check doctors work because the nurse will be blamed every time for the doctor's mistake
One of them was even called out by another nurse during the trial, and he admitted that it likely did happen but he didn't remember. He had retired. Due to memory problems. But nobody ever mentions it.
The implications of this are massive
Even the post-it note that Letby wrote which was given as evidence of her guilt, it turns out was in response to therapy sessions in which she was encouraged to express dark and irrational thoughts by writing them out. Yet the jury was not told this! Puts quite a different light on it.
@@keyfeatures and the dark and irrational thoughts came later due directly to the hounding.
She’s wasn’t depressed at the time of the alleged crimes
oh please, you have about 15% of that correct.
@@Etcher if you could point out one bit of the 85% you claim is incorrect, that’d be great. What the OP stated was pointed out at the time of the trial
You are wrong! Nobody told her to write those notes it was a Guardian journalist who made it up! Look on the videos here and you will see it Dont you think that would have been raised during her court case?
@@krissy1 Hmmm, what to believe. A published article by a known journalist or a random on the lower half of the internet?
How can someone be serving 15 whole life terms with no more appeals, without a single piece of hard evidence being presented to the jury? How can vaguely circumstantial evidence be enough? It’s disturbing
Because she's guilty
Guilty, babies are no longer dying because they’ve been injected with insulin, that’s why love
@LMC232 I don’t know if she is guilty, innocent, or somewhere in between. The whole point is that none of us know that apart from her because the investigation and trial were completely bungled. It’s impossible (and also a bit creepy) to be adamant one way or the other about where she’s guilty or not. What important is that the truth is discovered. More than that, it’s important that the public recieve answers as to how this “trial” was allowed to proceed in such an obviously unjust way. It’s bad for the Letby, it’s bad for the babies and their families, it’s bad for society as a whole that this sort of incompetence and corruption is allowed to go on unchecked
@@lordfarquaad7896 just look up “Lucy Letby insulin” and you’ll see that it is not a given that any babies were injected with insulin. How do you explain the 9 “excess deaths” that happened on that unit after she was suspended?
@@lordfarquaad7896 what about the 10 babies after she was suspended?
If she’s innocent this will go down as once of the biggest scandals in British history, complete distrust in the system. She will be owed 100s of millions of compensation
It doesn't work like that in the UK, she will be lucky if she gets 10 million. If it was the USA then we're talking hundreds of millions
Part of the reason why the disgusting judiciary and police get away with it
She's clearly guilty.
@@johndoe-mf4qjit doesn’t work that way in the U.S. either. The jury awards 100’s of millions to the victims of miscarriages of justice, that amount is substantially reduced on appeal to the district circuit court where the victims will be lucky if they get anything close to 10 million. Some states have passed laws capping the payout for each year an innocent person spends in jail no matter the circumstances, usually it’s between 30-50,000 per year. statically 6% of incarcerated people in the U.S are innocent and 4% of people convicted and sentenced to the death penalty are innocent.
Her case is not the biggest scandal. Post Office Horizon scandal may be the biggest one.
Young female nurse scapegoated, doubt she murdered any of them.
I could see this a mile off, I knew that narrative would be extremely unpalatable to the left, when the managers (men in suits) were proved correct.
You can’t have your sacred cow - an NHS nurse, being guilty.
She’s NHs and a woman! De facto innocent! She’s one of us!
They keep banging on about the notes they found, but I work as a therapist myself and it is very common practice to suggest writing feelings down. That's all it is.
Exactly and also common for people to look up people on Facebook so many people do that all the time, doesn't make them a killer.
It's not at all common for an innocent person to write stuff like “I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them” or “I am evil I did this”.
@@valleyshrew I'm glad you've never had invasive / intrusive thoughts, but they're real and not that rare
@valleyshrew When you're repeatedly told something, over and over, it messes with your mind and your sanity. Yes, her writing down those things looks bad, but it could easily be that she was trying to get the negative things others had said - her innermost feelings - out.
Last year, my friend's granddaughter left a notebook at my house. Initially, I didn't recognise it as her's and I opened it to see what it was. She had written "I am fat, ugly and stupid. Nobody loves me.". Alarmed, especially after recognising the handwriting, I spoke to my friend/ her grandmother. It turned out that she'd been bullied earlier that year at school and those awful things were exactly what the bully had said to her. She is not fat, stupid, or ugly, and she is adored.
As OP said, this is a normal and natural way to process thoughts - including those insecurities planted by others (& we know that the two consultants were regularly questioning Letby's work). I work for the NHS and bullying is, sadly, not abnormal - particularly to "pass the buck" and cover up the bully's inadequacies by passing on the blame to someone they consider "weaker". Nurses are not as well protected as doctors (the GMC protects doctors, whereas the NMC protects patients, not nurses). Nurses taking the blame for the failings of doctors is not new, unfortunately.
@@valleyshrew how do you know what’s common in a situation like she was put in? It’s an incredibly traumatic and rare event, so you have no idea what people might say and do under that pressure
Stitched up for a failure of the system , blamed for others neglect.
proof says other wise
@@dianecameron137 It really doesn't, when the publishers of the studies that helped convict her have come out to speak FOR her.
@kennwan9917 she was in work and on wards every child death. She has leave or holiday, no deaths. The number of child deaths was also extremely high compared to the average. Explain this correlation? Or do you have another wacko excuse for this shocking crime?
@ First of all, no not "every child death" and secondly no, plenty of children died during her suspension. You're talking absolute nonsense and then asking me to explain it. Shush.
@kennwan9917 not at all. The deaths dropped dramatically every time she was away. All the deaths were linked to unusual methods of death, and most were proven to be tampered with. Not that observant, are you?
Innocent until proven guilty. I'm not seeing the 'proven guilty' part.
it is actually worse than that... It is not that we know she is probably guilty but we can not prove it. She is unlikely to be guilty.
Thrown under the bus to cover up.
They haven't answered the insulin, her activity of searching for parents or why she was there with two kids she wasn't charged for.
They overturned 1 piece of evidence in a list of 40 pieces.
Cover up what exactly? That insulin was injected by another member of staff, just not Letby? Are the NHS covering up child killers now? Stop talking utter shite.
Nurses get thrown under the bus all the time in the NHS.
Poor Lucy, I always believed she was the scapegoat. I hope she gets proper justice and sues the NHS.
Lucy Letby should not be in Jail those who Framed her and covered their own backs should be put on Trial!
I’ve said all along that she was innocent. One of the biggest red flags to me was the inability to measure the deaths on the ward following her arrest! ….This couldn’t be measured because they chose to close the ward, and move it to another hospital in the area. This to me spoke volumes, because if they had arrested the culprit then why was that necessary? It was very obvious that she was a scapegoat. It’s not the first incidence of malpractice by the doctor whose evidence put the final nail in her coffin either. He ruined another family’s life in 2008, and there’s likely others. Maybe he should stand trial for the damage he’s caused?
or she killed a number of babies? seems strange that when she was on holiday or changed shifts, deaths went down
All those notes she wrote were probably the result of gas lighting from her managers
The case of Bonnie Lewis in 1996, where Dewy Evans raised his ugly head, he controlled & manipulated the case against her mother to cover his negligence & unqualified practice. The man's a criminal psycho & a phoney.
@@moonlightrelax639 or she was upset at killing babies? rather look at the facts that many babies died when she was at the hospital, and when she wasn't the deaths went down
The WORLD’s leading EXPERTS have just said that ‘no babies were murdered’. ….But I guess you are all better qualified than them eh? 🥴.
I've said all along she wasn't guilty the hospital just want a scape goat someone to pin all the blame on just think what that woman has gone through !!
WELL SAID
Strange isn't it that of all the medical serial killers Lucy used so many different modi. It was clear to me that these babies suffer oesophageal intubation during resuscitation. It is what happens when junior medical staff are involved in neonate resus.
I can't believe how a guilty verdict came about. Possibly the jury didn't understand the terminology used. Legal jargon is hard enough, but medical terms are far more difficult than Legal.
@@rozzbrookes9078 "I can't believe how a guilty verdict came about" you obviously paid zero attention then.
Funny, my Mum 80 yrs of age, has insisted she never murdered those babies. However, she goes by looks a lot. If she had had shark-cold eyes, my Mum wouldn't have said anything. She always says, you can tell whether a person is a good person by their eyes. The case just didn't make sense to her. I am not even sure she understood the evidence. Some people think they have an instinct. I am not so sure you can tell a murderer by their eyes, but I will be watching this one lol
I doubted her conviction from day one. There was no smoking gun, just “possibilities” and a lot of hate of her all around the country. I’ll be happy once she is free.
and you'd be happy for her to look after your baby in hospital?
@@dooshkin8552😂😂😂😂😂
@@dooshkin8552 Yep! But I doubt she would ever want to work for the NHS ever again!
@@dooshkin8552 If she is innocent, why wouldn’t you be? Should be more worried about the hospital trust that caused the deaths
Never doubted her innocence for a moment. I spent 16 years in ICU, 3 as director and this was classic cya witch hunting. Never trust the police.
I've no idea if she's guilty or not but your main point is so very important. Our society as a whole, has to understand that the police are trained to find as much as possible against a person. They have never been there to find the truth. Their role needs to change. The police work in a similar system to a salesman,they are there to make a sale(conviction) and to emphasize as much as possible that points towards guilt. The courts decide guilt in a competition where whoever puts forward the best argument wins.The police are bound to be on the side of the prosecution. Every person put on trial is on the wrong side of police policy regardless of guilt. The police are not unbiased as their role is historically to achieve a conviction.
@HarryCrabb-BoB Thanks for your comment. One thing really stands out. How lawyers, judges and police can be expected to understand and judge the issue of air embolism in neonates. You may as well have sent them to design a nuclear reactor.
So what 'evidence' did the prosecution use to convince the jury she was guilty?
An expert witness that misrepresented a paper written by this expert.
@@AndiWardthat one expert should be on trial himself. Attention seeker.
They didn’t have any pure evidence it was all circumstantial.
It was just circumstantial evidence.
@@PeppermintPatties Most of it wasn't even that, it was just created for the purpose of convincing a jury she was guilty.
I feel sorry for all concerned and it seems our whole legal system is a mess .
A mess? It's corrupt to the core.
She has taken the fall for something or someone. Obvious.
she said all along the doctors were fitting her up .but no one listened
Is is really that obvious. Please elaborate.
Rich men
From personal experience a significant amount of doctors in the NHS don't even appear to be qualified. A friend said the same, her doctor had to use Google to research symptoms.
Then who? The families of dead babies might want to know
One of the biggest miscarriages of justice ever seen in this country.
In my opionon the worst case , corrupt police, lying incompetent doctors , biased judge , NHS run like a Soviet tractor factory in the days of Stalin . Turns out the mangement were correct in backing Lucy pity they swapped sides
You haven’t been looking then
😮 poor Lucy Letby........
@@deadeyes4626exactly
Grenfell Tower.
The very definition of a scapegoat
That's the problem with experts. You'll always get different interpretations until in the end it's a game of "I'm more experty than you though!" and that's how you decide who the winner is. 🙄
The expert wasnt an expert. He has published zero papers. He was a paid goon
In academia there is the concept of a general consensus of opinion. If there are disagreements in interpretation and a decision has to be made, then the consensus of opinion will be taken into account, and that will determine the outcome, and those not representing the general consensus of academic opinion will usually politely defer in a gentlemanly manner. I don’t know which side represents the general consensus of medical academic opinion in this case, but I don’t see how it can possibly be Dewi Evans, as he is not even a neonatalist, so I don’t see many neonatalists backing his obscure, rare analysis against Shoo Lee who is a neonatalist speaking a language all neonatalists understand. Evans is clearly out of his academic depth here.He might be an expert in his own imagination and that of Inspector Hughes, but if he can’t get the ‘majority’ ( the consensus of opinion) behind him, from the majority of academics in the relevant associated fields, then someone who can get that greater support will topple him. Hence the defence claiming to have 50 academics supporting their ideas. Usually, being top of your field means having the majority of peers supporting your ideas.
except this people did not get paid for this... Evans earned hundreds of thousands which he would not earn if he did not decide there were murders.
This is disgusting what they’ve done to this woman
The New Yorker magazine did a story on this several years ago that made me strongly question if she was actually guilty.
The doctors are responsible for the deaths of those poor babies,to protect themselves and to stop the hospital paying out multiple millions in compensation to the families,poor lucy is a victim herself those doctors need to be held accountable
After experiencing first hand how NHS professionals and workers close ranks and collude to lie about patients with autism who have reasonable complaint against the NHS, I had assumed Letby was a scapegoat from the start.
Same. I worked in MH and saw how awful staff can be when discussing "clients" in meetings. Wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.
Poor standards? With 7,000,000 plus waiting list and 120,000 posts unfilled what could possibly go wrong in the rest of the NHS? Time the government started dealing with the trashing of the NHS by providing the funding, pay and services needed and holding to account those who are extorting money from the NHS. Allowing PFI schemes to extort enormous rents is not victimless.
After actually experiencing exactly how far these organisations go to cover their own arses I don’t and can’t believe a word of what I read in the newspapers or media anymore! Unfortunately noone wants truth and that means no end to the suffering !
If she gets a re trial and found innocent!! Boyy shes goner get millions and rightfully so
Ha no chance. The Bridgewater Four got charged prison bed and board for their 18-year stitch up.
@@paulgreen1821 thanks fully they’ve stopped the bed and board charge for victims of miscarriages of justice, but they have called the compo at £1million
The same people commenting here about a miscarriage of justice were slating Lucy Letby in TH-cam comments during her trial = absolute sheep.
It was a very emotional trial and at least 2/3 of brits trust the CJS in terms of getting it right but over time bits and pieces might make once skeptics think. If she has been wrongfully charged and it is proved she was innocent then we can all demand her immediate release and a huge compensation package whilst a new investigation is launched into the hospital but until then she has been found guilty by a jury of her peers and should continue to serve her sentence
@JamesDeanMichael80where did you get 2/3 of people?
@@dsgrbrowne1 Just google how many people in the UK trust the justice system and look through the various pages of polls and data.
How do you know?.I said all along she was the scapegoat.Takes one to know one.
I didn't follow the trial but I always thought if this woman was really out there murdering babies, why did it take so long for someone to notice? There should have been a thorough investigation after death number 1
Ok, let’s put The McCanns in trial now.
😂😂😂 had to laugh
If the McCanns had been working class (or not doctors) they would have been charged with neglect imo
@@derpleyew the sun already did that
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The Sun is utter trash. They have no morals about the way they report on things or how they use factual information. They decided she was guilty before the trial even started and they repeatedly labelled her as a serial killer. If she’s found not guilty and is able to have her sentencing revoked she’ll be able to sue for huge amounts of money in defamation suits.
If you look at how The Sun covered Lucy Letby’s trial and sentencing you’ll see why. She has her own section on the website which says “Lucy Letby will die in jail after receiving a whole life sentence as the families of her victims slammed her for refusing to attend court. The monster’s sickening death toll makes her the UK’s most prolific killer nurse and Britain’s worst-ever female serial killer” in a header above the list of articles they published.
The Sun ran headlines such as:
“LETBY DEBUNKED I’m the expert who helped nail Lucy Letby… here’s why poundshop Poirots’ theories are all wrong & she did kill 7 babies”
“KILLER NURSE Speculation over evil Lucy Letby’s convictions has caused victims’ families ‘enormous emotional distress’, inquiry told”
“EVIL NURSE APPEAL Serial baby killer Lucy Letby set to challenge most recent conviction for murdering seven babies”
The McCanns have immunity. They are government poster girl and boy for social mobility - ‘Unremarkable working class kids given free pass to become doctors to make society appear fairer’, as opposed to ‘highly intelligent hard working conscientious working class kid obtains degree in medicine through merit’ ( the second type wouldn't leave their children in a hotel room). I’m saddened and disappointed by the outcome, and the cause.
didn't think she was guilty from the start
Of course you didn't. I have always said we should not waste time on a trial.
She must be released immeadiately pending any further decision on her case. As of now she is in limbo regarding her future.
They've ruined her future.
This is absolute insanity!! Imagine giving a whole life tariff to a completely innocent lady! Good God!!!!😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
Innocent are you sure? What about the notes she wrote that literally said "I killed those babies" also there were far more than 14 babies that were harmed in her care.
@@Toecutter875 I don’t think she ever wrote the words “I killed those babies” she wrote “ they say I did this, I am evil”. As a psychotherapist I know that when people are overwhelmed by false accusations, that it’s cathartic to say or write, “yes, you’re right, I’m evil, Im the worst person who ever lived. Are you happy now? Will you leave me alone now and stop accusing me?”. It’s not as if she wrote “ something inside me made me kill those babies, and I don’t think I can stop, I find it gives me a thrill and feeling of power. I know I will do it again”. Can you see the difference?
@Toecutter875 it didn't say that at all! It said "I am evil" probably got hypnotised by all the people blaming, into believing those baby's death's were down to her. I'd like to believe no one on earth is capable all those premature baby's but I know that's not a true statement. With that being said i do believe she is innocent though
It said I am evil I deserve too die or something like that, anyway I’ve always thought no way could she have done this but we will see 🤔
@@DanielHogg-fu8pcyou're probably a nice person who can't handle the truth, she did it mate, when she worked at the hospital In Liverpool they kept finding dislodged breathing tubes, when she left Chester the deaths suddenly stopped, pretty blonde woman can be monsters too.
I'm not going to go on yet another long rant about why I know Lucy is innocent but I will just say that, given how her original defence team handled her case, you have to wonder if she was being stitched-up by all sides!
Why didn't her defence team use the expert witnesses from the field of science and medicine who later revealed they were waiting to be called to give evidence but were told by Lucy's defence team that they weren't needed?
Also, why did the defence team choose to go down the suicidal route of ridiculously arguing that somebody other than Lucy murdered the babies, rather than the far more sensible and correct route of arguing that the babies weren't murdered at all?
I don't know. I thought the defences summing up of the first baby was enough to prove her innocence.
I'd happily hear you rant, I'm trying to look everywhere for the evidence and I keep finding people just talking about the evidence, could you fill me in please?
@Felled-angel There is a website called Law Health and Technology. They weren't first on the bandwagon but one of the early pioneers, so to speak. They have an article about all the evidence and it's failings which is compelling.
@simplesimon5739 thank you.
@Felled-angel There is also a statistician Richard D Gill who is one of the first to speak out. He can be found on X. He was on the case pretty quick. As was Professor Norman Fenton who can be found on TH-cam discussing the Lucy Letby case. I think he was what I came across first.
She was very calm when arrested. Did she still play a part, e.g. negligence? Unplug supply of oxygen?
I was always very struck by that
You can get a medical professional to say anything, because it boost their exposure. The fact is Letby was convicted on 14 counts and every one was independently assessed at 'beyond reasonable doubt'. It wasn't one conviction for 14 crimes, it was 14 convictions for 14 crimes.
Beyond reasonable doubt 😆 let me tell you something about juries, mate. Of the 12 people on a jury, half of them will decide on day one, before they've heard any evidence at all, that the defendant is guilty, because they don't like their face, or they don't think the police would have charged someone who was innocent or all manner of other stupid reasons. Of the remaining six, about three will vote whichever way they feel the majority wind is blowing, because they've got a partner/kids/dog/Netflix show at home and their interest in the case and attention span is limited to "can we all just agree so we can get out of here?". The final two or three will genuinely be trying their hardest to listen and weigh up evidence impartially, with widely varying capability to do that. Most juries will be persuaded by the opinion of one member they perceive to be a leader. It's really not the rock solid system you think it is.
@@davesmith5482 Thanks for your input, world renowned legal expert. Maybe you think you sound clever, but that post is outright embarrassing.
@@DogfacedblokeHis post is absolutely based on research over the last 100 years of jury trials as conducted by several leading experts in the field. The likelihood of being convicted at a jury trial is so high because most people can’t shake the idea that “they must have done something otherwise they wouldn’t be here”. As a former legal representative, having faced trials myself personally, and knowing other lawyers who have faced court on charges, all of us have lost when we were innocent. Several of us had to go to the highest court in Australia, spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, and were experts in the very field we were defending ourselves against and still lost. We had to eventually get the verdict overturned after almost a decade.
The legal system in all countries is ridiculous. The court isn’t about finding ‘the truth”, it’s about one side pretending the person is as pure as the driven snow and the other side pretending they are the devil. When you add police into the mix who just flat out lie and fabricate evidence, then you have no chance.
Maybe read a little before criticising people who know better than you do, and who come with fact based evidence drawn from a century of research.
How embarrassing for you.
There were people calling for Lucy Letby to be put to death, we don't know the outcome of this yet but what would have happened if she had been at this point.
Cases like this are the main reason I’m against the death-penalty. Not saying she’s innocent, but she might very well be. There’s a long-standing case closer to me where a dude called Luke Mitchell was imprisoned 2 decades ago for the murder of his then girlfriend. Another case that has strong intimations that it could be a miscarriage of justice. In both cases, everything is circumstantial. I’m not a betting man, but if I had to put money on Lucy Letby and Luke Mitchell being innocent, I would wager a pretty good amount in each case.
Highly likely she is innocent.
@@russellbruton6344 even more likely she's guilty
Why are they going so hard for this woman?
Because she is young innocent woman
@@meow-sc7wnno because she’s white
@@jsantana2 because she is innocent , shut up
@@jsantana2 Beverley Allitte was too a white woman but she is 100% guilty and evidences were
@@meow-sc7wn so u genuinely believe if this was a foreign or someone with culture, they’d get a second chance?
How can they claim no evidence? Didn't she record these crimes in her diary?
If there was "no evidence" how did she get convicted?!
Because a jury said she was guilty. It doesn't matter if someone is or not, as long as the jury says they are. You don't need to prove anything under scrutiny, you just need to convince 12 (or 11 in this case) people that what you're telling them is true. That's it.
This just about sums up Britain today.whats frightening. is this the blame game.and is this happening in other hospitals.
The hospital was a calamity. The defense team just rolled over and produced no evidence.
This has been going on for nearly 10 years (first case June 2015) & this is the first we are hearing about this?!
Everyone was too caught up in the witch hunt.
Ask yourself, if this was a Neonate ICU, why was Lucy left alone with infants that demand a 2 to one nursing ratio. She was made a scapegoat for the failed NHS.
Only if you only listened to the msm during the trial. Other media did question the narrative.
No. It’s the first the MSM are reporting on it
Not at all. People have been shouting this all day long.
But the mob was baying for blood.
Everyone involved in this case needs putting in prison
It’s been 5 years she’s been locked up I wonder how much compensation they deem fit for the loss of 5 yrs of freedom is worth
And a completely ruin future
££££millions
@@janpowell7536 by law you can only claim a maximum of £1million for this. Even if you’re there for decades. Look at Andrew Malkinson. 20 years for something he hadn’t done, same language that’s been used about Letby used about him all that time. No accountability for those that put him there. And his comp is capped by law at £1million
Billions. No amount sufficient
@@janpowell7536 it’s capped at £1million by law
Cover up by the hospital, police and judiciary
If only the NHS hadn't been critically underfunded, understaffed, under-resourced and underpaid for the last 20 years.
Maybe if it was not the World Health Service it would be ok
Why is it always about nhs being “underfunded”?!! Maybe it’s because of lack of intelligence and incapability to become a medical professional?
You can give a ton of money to an oligophrene, but you never get him to be a proper engineer. The same with doctors. 99% of personnel do not fit for the job. Ok, maybe not 99. 90%
@@anatoliypankevych4853proper funding allows proper work to be done in proper ways. And properly supervised.
Underfunding causes short-cuts, substitutions, and gaps in treatment.
If you ever have to end up in hospital, would you prefer to be in a well funded hospital or one that’s falling apart?
You sound heartless.
@@anatoliypankevych4853you’re even doubting h *your own comment* by the end of it too.
You’re a bit weird, no?
I’m an NHS nurse of over 43yrs now, it’s not to do with funding why the NHS is in the state it is is its bad management at Trust level. Management who have degrees in management but no clinical or medical background, they manage units, directorates they have no clue what that unit does how it works and the kind of patient they care for.
If it turns out the Lucy Letby has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice, heads need to roll. Prosecution team, police and importantly her own colleagues and employer will have serious questions to answer and need to be held accountable.
They won't though. It will get swept under the rug just like all the problems that lead to this were. "Lessons will be learned" they'll say, after an internal investigation with no public outcome. And that'll be the end of it. Just like it always is.
Not Guilty the hospital used her as a scapegoat
National Health Service or No Hidden Secrets through time we will find out. We will all discover the truth in the end
How come the deaths stopped as soon as she was removed from the babies?
the inadequate conspiracy theorists are out in force
Would you agree There's a Problem here Seriously The World is watching
Why is she in jail then?? Ffs
… and her diary confession to being a muderer?
It wasn't a confession. Her therapist had encouraged her to write down any thoughts/feelings she had whether they were true or not. She probably had the thought that the deaths were her fault because she wasn't a good nurse simply because the consultants blamed her for it.
My Wife was falsely convicted of threatening a 6'3 bloke who was the 999 caller to the Roma attack our home . The attackers went on to gang rape a homeless. My Wife got convicted of sending the 999 caller a message what I sent, and was jailed for. We were at the same court on appeal ..... Our Barrister told us I normally charge £1,000 a day to go in court your appeal is worth £150 I am only doing this as a favor to your Solicitor's firm. We knew Lucy was innocent , Our Barrister was a mate of the Letby Prosecution bent as nine bob notes :)
What about the seeping of ‘raw sewage’ into the neonatal unit?
Or was that a false rumour?
Pretty sure the plumber confirmed it, and the taps were 'colonised' with a deadly bacteria called 'Pseudomonas' for a while.
no that was true about the seeping raw sewage thats the last place where you would think you would see raw sewage yuck
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Raw sewage in a Neonatal ICU, lethal. And it switches the focus from LL to hospital management.
In fact wasn’t it LL who was the whistleblower for the raw sewage?
How about her diary?
cherrypicked, research it yourself
@@Voy2378 Huh? What are you on about?
I still think she is guilty
Where evidences?
@@meow-sc7wn Why did all evidence point towards her instead of someone else in the first place, there must be something in it. There is also the chance that the people conducting the new investigation have something to gain from freeing her accusations. I don't think its wise to but all faith into new evidence. I think its more complicated than they first thought. Why would someone set her up if she didn't do anything?
@@the.blue.man21 14 of the best neonatologists in the world have proved that there is no corpus delicti in this case, all cases occurred for natural reasons. In addition, the main prosecutor, a retired neonatology expert, changed his testimony, contradicting himself.Letby has no motive or mental disorders, she is completely healthy and actively cooperated with the police.But there is a motive for the three consultants who harassed and bullied her, accusing Letby without evidence. Moreover, it is already known that she has nothing to do with the 5 cases in which she was accused.The statistics of her shift were incorrectly studied
@@the.blue.man21 opinion 14 the best neonatologists>>your opinion
@@the.blue.man21 This young hardworking nurse has no motive.
I never thought for one moment that Lucy killed these babies and glad someone is fighting her corner. Scapegoated Lucy deserves better shame on the hospital.
Do you know how many babies got ill in her care? Hundreds it's statistically impossible.
Who are these alleged experts? Give me a break. Would all this be happening if it were any other nurse?! I think not.
Explain what you mean by any other nurse
@@robleeuknhl3345 a non white British woman.
Where evidences her guilty?
Anyone else say pretty much this straight after the verdict only to be accused of supporting baby murder. The main evidence for conviction was workplace gossip and that she was at work at the time.... that's not nearly enough. She may well have done it, but you have to provide actual evidence for a conviction, a murder weapon, a witness, camera footage, forensics.... the only worthwhile evidence is a hand-written note that can easily be dismissed as circumstantial.
I never thought she was guilty ,this us truly a disgrace ,the hospital clearly wasnt fit for purpose and they have her enprisonment on their concience .
I understand the parents being upset but you cant have someone imprisoned if she is innocent ,it isnt right . If Letby does get get off her life is ruined anyway ,how can you live a normal life
Unfortunately, even if she is ultimately found not guilty her life is ruined
So they arrested her without any evidences?!! Hard to believe
"Well if they're innocent, why are they in court?" - bear in mind, ladies and gentlemen, this sort of thinking happens all the time in actual juries voting on actual trials. In many ways it's a god awful system.
You tell that to the parents who lost those babies unvorgivable
She is guilty, 100%.
many would disagree with you.
You are a moron, 100%.
So how can you put someone in jail without evidence, that’s crazy
there was plenty of evidence, you're crazy to think that
@ that’s the point she’s in jail for a reason
@@dooshkin8552 The evidence is all bogus and crumbles to dust under the slightest scrutiny. Try listening to "Was There Ever A Crime?" just for starters.
Luke Mitchell from Dalkeith will agree with that.
I've said this since the start. I'm not sure what it is, but I don't think she's guilty.
@@Giantdwarf00 she didn’t fit any kind of profile for a serial killer, there was no MO, the evidence provided was circumstantial or hearsay.
Same. And its quite telling that all of her childhood friendship group have stuck by her. If she did it they'd know, they'd just know, when they looked her in the eye on visits. There is no chance that any sociopath or narcissist is skilled enough to dupe an entire friendship group for such a sustained period of time, those friends of her are graduates with professional jobs, not Sharon and Karen from Aldi.
@@ryank3321you just can’t tell by looking at a person, you don’t know what someone’s inner thoughts are. Serial killers are known for duping their friends and families they are the last people to suspect them
As a nurse I knew she was innocent. I could see it in her face. She was wretched from all the stress. That poor woman. Disgusting. This is the hospital using a nurse as a scapegoat.
Then why did she not attend her sentencing to plead her innocence? If I was on jury duty then that alone would swing my vote against her it was such an arrogant move that stains her character . Lucy had nothing to lose by attending her sentencing, it should be the law anyway.
You're only sentenced after a jury have found you guilty.
They had already found her guilty so what difference would that make? Perhaps if you had been wrongly convicted of murdering babies you wouldn't fancy sitting in a court while someone told you you were going to die in prison. Use your brain.
I heard some journalist saying statistics are nothing to do with it. But when you have only circumstantial evidence, it comes down to how likely is it that this thing happened and that didn't. Which is statistics.
Why were her defence at the time, so incompetent?
because she never picked them, they were paid to be her defence and they supported the establishment.
This girl is innocent, and the Justice system in the UK is no longer fit for purpose.
People have been expressing concerns over this since she was incarcerated, I hope the truth will out but I doubt it.
Only Lucy, knows what happened to the babies. If she did not do any harm, only her HEART knows. This case will never know the truth. The families may never know the truth.
So the care notes found in her home mean no nothing??
Exactly!
Yes you’re right, they shouldn’t have been used as evidence since they aren’t necessarily an admission of guilt
So why was this so wrong? British justice system needs scrapping and re thinking.
Except the letters she wrote ? Saying she was a devil
that doesn't prove she killed the babies
Its clearly white wash .
"Bad medical care" that obviously led to deaths, intentional negligence. Look at what she wrote in her own diary about her own actions!
Biggest load of absolute bullshit! This is just the straight forward appeal that she's "entitled" to!
She is due millions in comp !
Maybe she's just a massively incompetent nurse, and her university is really to blame 🤑
Imagine if this was a death row case its absolutely a miscarriage of justice she should have the door open and let out never mind appealing that poor nurse i hope shes compensated for every day she has spent in prison and the parents of the little children may you have peace in knowing the real truth and not a scapegoat for there poor babies.....
Wait, they didn't have evidence?
They did but all of it was circumstantial no doctors at the top were allowed in to explain things.
The pay out she’s gonna get when she’s released is gonna be crazy
she's not gonna be released, it takes more than this suspicious group of people to overturn the verdict
Not in the UK. Compensation is stuck at 1980 levels.
I dont know if she done it or not, But from personal experience alot of the nurses and doctors (and junior) on the maternity ward/neo natal ward are useless. Not all of them but too many with its not my job attitudes and a vast lack of communication between staff. The NHS is failing.