This is our second K-Classic. We had our first one for many years, so when we had to replace it, we wanted nothing else but this exact th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf model. We use it for about three people everyday in the morning. The taste and quick brew is one of the reasons we like it so much. There are so many choices of brands of coffee that we would grab what was on sale and test the different brands from there. I would definitely recommend trying different brands of coffee to find the ones you like the most because there are brands that quite frankly taste horrible.
5 years ago I got a Sage grinder and Duo Temp Pro. As you predict the Duo Temp Pro has a leak and off for repairs. I did attempt to look inside but beyond a few screws the panels need plastic breaking force to move or some trick not apparent. The metal shell is held in place by bending over the metal - can't do that often for repair access. Sage have a flat basic charge covering replacement parts for features not included and that is close to the original purchase cost. A new rrp is double. They also offer a discount on a new one which is slightly better than the discounts you can see on their web site and dealers. Spending a few hundred over 5 years okay, but if that happens on a thousand or two that does get expensive. So those that do allow and support service are more affordable even with a higher initial cost.
Thanks for sharing! Yeh they are a pain to repair. The extra money on a more solid machine will definitely pay off in the long run but I understand how people often choke at the intial outlay.
Hi Ryde, thanks for the great videos, I’ve learned a lot. I’m wondering if you have any thoughts on the Breville Bambino Plus, paired with a good grinder - it’s on sale for $499 AUD. I’ve seen some good reviews for it out there. I’m no expert so just looking for something under 1k that is decent and better than my mates’ Breville Barista Express 😅 Alternatively, I found the Aldi/Stirling one 2nd hand on facebook for $200 - is that better value? I’m just worried about longevity as I saw some reviews saying small plastic parts broke and there aren’t any spare parts floating around as it’s discontinued. Thanks heaps!
Hey Liam! The Bambino regular I think is better value, all you get for $200 more on the plus is 9 colour options and an automated milk steamer which is nice but you can learn to do silky milk in 10mins. They are decent machines for the price and the grinder is more important anyway so I'd probably put the extra money towards a good Eureka Mignon or Timemore Sculptor. 👌🙌 Anything will be better than the express! 😅
Thank you brother for sharing your wisdom❤️ I suggest that you invest in a good mic for your audio and choose a background music the matches your amazing caliber. Love & light 🙏
Thank you Leo! Yes I'm not sure why this video is still high in circulation, I've definitely improved the mic audio and the background music has stopped. 🙌
great review! Straight to the point and mentioning all "mandatory" machines. Very fair critics to each machine so congratulations! I subscribed to your channel immediately and have my thumbs up! Quick question: are you planning to make a similar video for grinders? That'd be amazing! And thanks for this video!
They have this exact machine (Stirling) in the USA at Best Buy for 299 after 150 off, but under the name *Bela Pro Series* I have an all in one machine I paid 750.00, not real happy overall, the convenience is nice, but I think I will go with the Gaggia Pro, its hard to beat tbh, I can get one for 399. If I am going to go for it (wifey must receive a mindbender idea from me but think its her idea) I think I will go with a Rocket Appartamento, I know it will last 20 yeas with good maintence.
Gaggia is by far and a way the best deal for entry level expresso making. Fit a quality grinder with it and you can make professional quality expresso drinks at home. The durability is a key factor with a 58mm group head. For what you get all around it’s the best.
Absolutely! It's such an underrated machine. It will last you forever and always pumps out a great coffee. Totally right about a grinder, I think it's as important as the machine.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I disagree vehemently. It's honestly the worst entry level machine on the market and it's insanely over rated. There's an entire reddit thread about why people should stop recommending a machine that needs endless mods to be passable. Temp surfing problems and not being set at 9 bars is garbage for beginners or pros. The bambino would be 10x better for an entry level machine. The middle market is useless. Bambino for budget. Dual boiler for best value/high end jump. Decent for high end. Honestly those are the only 3 machines I care about on the market after endless research. Loved the video and will have to surf the rest of the channel.
@@saleen12 I disagree. If the Gaggia was a $1000 that would not be worth it but for the build quality and durability for $500 it’s a good buy. If you want to mod it’s that’s your choice but people have been making great expresso on it without the mods for years it’s only in this buying frenzied market that you need 20 accessories to make a good expresso. Breville’s are cheaply made and need to be replaced every few years. I know because I have had one. I don’t know much about the Decent “I have heard” they are the new thing on the block but quite honesty for $4000 I’m pretty sure I can find many other dual boilers that I can pull some great shots on.
@Alexander Khioe From most people that have bought the Gaggia none complain about it except select people online that are critical with every little thing about a machine. Out of the box it’s fine along with a quality grinder. It seems like we are in a mod crazy frenzy for every machine and these companies love it because they are making a killing off of people because they don’t feel their machine is “good enough”. Between accessories and the “mods” you can add an additional $400 on top of what one has already pain. Too me that’s excessive.
@Alexander Khioe All I’m saying even if you put an extra $50 in the Gaggia it’s still a great value. Your still $250 less than the Silvia. Your next bump is a heat exchanger for about a $1000 more.
Hello, How do you think about Nuova Simonelli Oscar II Coffee Machine ?. I just started with coffee. I want to learn and improve my skills in latte art or cappuccino art. And this machine seems as steam milk very well and fastly. How do you think, between this one and others, the same price as Breville Dual Boiler or Rancilio Silvia 6?
Hi Ryan, John's my name from Brisbane. Great video Ryan, plenty of info and advice, thank you. Today I bought the ALDI Stirling Premium Espresso Machine with Grinder. ($399) I am a complete newbie to coffee machines. I had read about and heard that the ALDI Stirling was a pretty good machine for the price. I came a cross your TH-cam channel after buying this machine.and of course listened to your comments about the Stirling coffee machine. The Stirling machine I have bought as mentioned does have an inbuilt grinder. Listening to your comments about inbuilt grinders in low end coffee machines, prompted me to write to you. Should I use the inbuilt grinder or purchase a separate coffee bean grinder? Once again thank you for your advice. if you get a chance, I would love to receive a reply from you. Cheers John😀
Hi John! Thanks for reaching out. I want to first allay your concerns. You do not need to get a separate grinder...yet. My biggest issue with built in grinders are on more expensive machines like Breville Oracle or Lelit Kate. These machines which cost upwards of $2-4k should be stand alone machines. The issues will be there for the ALDI machine too but at $400 you should expect to get hopefully 3-5years out of it. By that time, you should be into coffee enough to warrant you taking the next step and buying a great grinder and a great machine that will both last you 20+ years or until you want to upgrade again. The one thing I will say is only put enough beans in for the coffees you make each day. Don't use the hopper to store beans as they will heat up from the machine and sweat away all those beautiful yummy oils. 👌 Hope this helps!
Yes there's so many! If this is your first machine and you have the budget, get a Breville dual boiler and smart grinder Pro. If that's outside your budget, seek the Aldi machine. The Rancilio and Gaggia machines are a much steeper learning curve and if you don't have barista experience it will not produce nice coffees easily. Good luck! 👌
I just ordered a Silvia Pro X for just under $2000USD from Pantechnicon Design. They threw in walnut steam dial, wood handle on a bottomless portafilter and they have included a redesign of the Silvia’s drain tray. You can just slide out the drain tray with no contortions. This is a promotion ending on Oct 31, 2022.
That's super awesome. Free custom is worth at least $500+ so great deal. If anyone is keen to get a Silvia Pro X and you've been on the fence, now is the time to strike. That deal alone makes it worthwhile! 👌Get over to www.pantechnicondesign.com/ Thanks for sharing.
Yes love the Profitecs! Someone told me on here that one downside even on the 700, if it's not plumbed, you can waste a shot halfway through when it runs out of water. That's pretty disappointing for such a great machine.
Boss - appreciate your time creating content and sharing it with us ... for the love of online and content ... please get a decent microphone. It doesn't necessarily have to be wireless. Just get something decent, so we can enjoy watching and listening to your content. Much love from Toronto.
Thanks man, yeh I totally agree. These videos cost me something like $400+ to just make as is and at the moment I don't have enough subs to make money back (I think I need to reach 100k to break even or something), so I'm having to just use whatever gear I can afford. Definitely agree I could get a new mic and appreciate the feedback. 🙏
When you say 4 cup espresso maker I think of two group machines where you can extract 4 shots at once, is that what you mean? Or do you mean like a 4 cup mokapot?
Please someone help! My head is spinning with too much info. The wife and I just want to make a decent flat white as close to café standard as possible but don’t want to take out a mortgage on one. Is there a simple answer? Just buy an ‘X’ it’s not too expensive, doesn’t have all the bells and whistles but makes good coffee and won’t die a week after the warranty expires. Or should we just stick to our pod machines? I’d like to stay under $500 if possible, am I dreaming?
Yeh they look lovely, are very reliable so I'm told. I've never owned one and don't know a lot of people who do but they come highly recommended. 👌 Plus the design is so beautiful!
Ry, I've been running a Rocket Giotto for the last 5 years. It's about ~15 years old. I'm very familiar with it and it's strengths and limitations, and have torn it down to the frame and rebuilt it once before. Only mods are a grouphead thermometer and reduced OPV pressure. Would like the idea of a flow control, but then I lose grouphead temp. It's paired with a Kafatek Monolith MC4, will likely upgrade to the new Surikone burrs, but it's a fantastic grinder. I do 90% espresso brewing, and do enjoy milk based drinks alongside straight espresso. Looking at a BDB (1500 USD) and throwing all the mods at it, but beyond that, what other machine do you think I should really take a long look at around or under 2500 USD. If I get a BDB I'd probably dump it after 2 years.
Hey Justin, I wouldn't go with a BDB if you've had all that experience with the Giotto. I just think you might be disappointed. You're obviously handy enough to rebuild and mod so I would be looking at a commercial build machine like Profitec 700 which gives you mostly what you want plus a unique feature of being about to switch off the steam boiler which sounds like you might use since you only have milk occasionally. Great energy and money saver! Also, How much is the Rocket r58 there?
@@Rydecoffeecoach being the home barista for the family, I'll probably always be ~50/50 espresso/milk based, so I'd say both are important. R58 is $3300, Pro 700 is $3000. I keep seeing issues with the newer Rockets, including bent frames in shipping. Just not sure how well built they still are. Bianca, at $3000, seems to have the best FC knob setup, as well as the electronic slow flow mode, which puts it ahead of the E61 pack, imo, but I think ECM/Profitec may respond sooner than later given the market share the Bianca has been nabbing as of late. And I prefer the ECM/Profitec quality control and overall more cohesive design, so I'd be inclined to see what they come up with.
I haven't had a lot to do with the Oscar but I worked on lots of commercial NS and they were constantly breaking down, made with cheaper parts and I disliked them immensely. Is this a machine you already purchased or just considering?
The Lelit Mara X or ECM classika PID are great around that simar price (depending on which country you are in). Look at those brands plus Rocket, Profitec and even Expobar have great ranges and you should be able to find something that fits your budget and features you want from those quality manufacturers. 👌 Let me know how you go!
Nope not at all. If they are refurbished they should be pretty good as new. Is it the Breville dual boiler or a different one? I've bought some 2nd hand Brevilles and they last about the same.time.but cost a lot less. Obviously, make sure you go look at it in person, make coffee on it and ask lots of questions about it. 👌
Yes thanks for pointing that out. 👌 Bezzera is another great brand. I mean there are so many good machines, it's really hard to go into all of them. But Rocket may be expensive, same as most big name brands though (LM, Synesso, Slayer) but the quality is definitely there, it's a 20+ year machine
Yeh that would certainly help. But watch out for popcorning (where there are so few beans that they fly around as they grind.) This causes uneven grind. I would just put in a little more than you need each day.
Awesome video. I've serviced both a Gaggia Classic Pro boiler (mine) and a Rancilio Sylvia (mates), and the Sylvia was harder to get to (lots of panels on the black frame), but easier once I got there. Thinking of upgrading to an ECM Casa V - what's your opinion of the Casa? Once again, thanks for the video PS bought my daughter a 2nd hand Aldi Stirling and agree with your assessment. Quite capable despite lack of 3-way solenoid valve
Thanks! I haven't had much to do with the Casa but all ECM machines are great! It certainly looks like a step up from the Gaggia classic pro and rancilio Silvia so I would say go for it. 👌 Also, love Kryten!
@@georgcantor8859 or the Dalla Corte Mina those are sexy beasts but at 9k for Dalla Corte Mina and 13k for KVDWS way expensive! My Rocket cost under 2k and thought that was expensive.
Hello I’ve been looking into getting an espresso machine where I can dial in my espresso, so far I have been leaning towards the Solis barista perfetta plus espresso machine, But I was wondering how it compares to other machines in that price range and even some closer to the thousand dollar price range, please let me know your thoughts.
In my opinion only I would stay away from the Segafredo Solis Perfetta. I think for that price range you can find some much better quality machines, or even spend a little more to get yourself the Breville Dual Boiler. I am not a huge fan of appliances as coffee machines but at least the Breville's can get a decent shot of espresso (they just don't last longer than 5 years). Is it your first home machine? If so, just start with the Breville which will allow you to easily make great coffee at home. You can then work out what you want and then upgrade your equipment in a few years. 👌
Thanks for this great video that is relative to the Australian market. I’ve learned a lot from it. As a novice I’ve been considering a Breville Dual Boiler but would prefer to purchase a high quality machine that I can grow into. I came across some videos of Ascaso machines. Do you know much about them?
I do love the look of the Ascaso PID but they have reliability issues and it is more difficult to service them because parts are a bit harder to get because they aren't as common. Having said that other people have had great results so I'm sure there's two sides to everything. My advice would be to invest more heavily in your grinder. These are the most important and will last pretty much forever if cared for. I love the Mahlkonig X54 for around $1000AUD but there's lots of different grinders from the likes of Compak, Eureka, Quamar etc. (In Australia, I'm not a big fan of the Mazzers as they don't deal with humidity well - prob good in Melbourne and Sydney though). If you really are wanting to invest in coffee from the get go, grab a Rocket (Giotto or dual boiler) and one of the grinder brands.i mentioned above and you'll be set for life. But I always find I end up upgrading my machine (but never/rarely my grinder). But still, you won't be unhappy with a Breville dual boiler and a smart grinder Pro. 😊 Good luck and let me know what you decide!
I would probably get a 2 group machine for that volume especially for when it grows. A La Marzocco Gs3 can easily handle it but just having one group to work on will just slow you down too much. Even just a basic 2 group that can run on low amps will be best. I wouldn't want to do more than 20 at a time on a single group. Unless you're talking about 70 coffees over a 8-10hour day. You could get away with Gs3 but for the price you may as well get a second hand LM linea PB. You might be able to do it on San Remo cube but it's just putting unnecessary pressure on yourself and you might find you have to upgrade right away. If you're starting out, I would recommend a 2 group Wega.
IMO it is worthwhile doing a rough calculation on the relative costs of the espresso hobby and how much you enjoy it. In our case… we do 3 per day times two… costing 70 cents each… so we are spending $4 per day on coffee only That is about 1460 per year on just the beans. So, in that context… it makes sense to spend 2000 on a machine that makes great coffee that we really enjoy and which machine will last nearly forever
Thanks for letting me know! I just had a quick squiz but I was severely disappointed that they put in a grinder. 😥 It only has 15 grind settings and that's going to limit a lot of people (unless the 15 have steps in between, but I doubt it). What I loved about the old Stirling was that they focused on the machine and allowed you to invest in a great grinder.
I actually love lever machines! Just be wary that there's a really steep learning curve and the la Pavoni is a manual lever not a spring loaded one. I would opt for a spring lever to begin with because it's just so challenging otherwise.
I have la pavoni pro and love it. But it is good for one person (or two) but not for entertaining. Re the recommendation to get a sprung lever group (eg. Electra MicroCasa), I would NOT recommend that over the La Pavoni Pro. It is easier to get the grind right on the La Pavoni. There are bigger and better lever machines that might be fine with sprung group heads though.
Actually a great question, I haven't got my hands on it enough to make a fair judgement but tomorrow I'm doing exactly that so stay tuned for my review 👌🙌
I did have the Lelit Victoria PL91T, but the knob in teflon it's totally garbage. Will break very easy with an hardcore use (in my home was used for like 9 cappuccino per day) and overtime, even if you make some sign for the "point 0" of the knob, you will see that every use it will need to close stronger the knob because if not, it will lose water from the steam wand. Or at least mine after 2 repair still did that. For espresso only it's great, but when you do a lot of frothing, you will be not happy at the end in my experience.
Making 9 coffees per day is heavy use and I would think these machines are going to give out. I've had commercial machines where the plastic knob has broken and the solenoid is always going to need replacing as that will leak water at some point. What machine do you have now?
@@Rydecoffeecoach Right now aeropress haha I am looking out for now, I am waiting for the refound from the online store. I don't know if going for the double boiler Silvia Pro X or an HX machine like Rocket Espresso Mozzafiato V. Or if it's better rump it up the budget for a double boiler like Quick Mill QM67 or Bezzera Matrix MN. I don't change often coffee, and most of the shots are milky drinks, but I drink sometimes light roast. Very confused on what to buy 😂😅
James Hoffman done a video on the Aldi machine with grinder and he rubbished the Aldi machine , it looks the same as the sterling but with the grinder.🤔
I can't be sure but I thought it was a different machine. ALDI do sell another machine that you can buy all year round, this one is just one of the specials each year. I honestly can't fault it for the cheap price. Sure, if you have a budget of $1500 then you should go with the Breville dual boiler, but for $300, this Stirling kicks butt over all the Brevilles, delonghi and sunbeams up to $1k+. Also, one thing to note is that I think JH is normally referring to spros out those machines. If you're only drinking spros, I would then instead recommend a Flair or Bellman Stovetop. 🙌👌
It's unusual that products are cheaper in Australia than in Canada but the Silvia M is $1170 CAD here (before tax!). The Gaggia Classic Pro is 600-$650 CAD.
Yeh usually CAD is much cheaper, I wonder why those are not? And my understanding is that the Breville dual boiler is so expensive too which makes it not a good buy.
You did not mention the ECM Syncronica, (if that’s spelled right) about the price of the Decent. The ECM is more traditional and offers a lot of high end features. I’m not sure of the longevity of the decent, computers break down often or just become obsolete. I second the grinder video please. I’m in the process now of researching a prosumer machines with grinders. There is a lot out there but I would love to go to a store and try out a bunch of them. I just can’t find a place that sells them to try out, and I live near NYC. It’s been challenging and it seems this is the only way to try and research them. Thanks for the great content.
Yeh I just can't go past the Decent at its price point. It just has the ultimate control and analysis to help any barista hone their craft. Yes I know that the Decent hasn't been around long enough to pass durability tests but the foundation is solid and parts are easy to replace so 🤞🤞
@@Rydecoffeecoach I hear what you are saying, I think you think the decent can replicate basically any machine you program it for. I’m not into computers and I don’t really speak their language so I’m out of that. I don’t like the looks of it though ( which should not count) and I think the traditional looking espresso machines look really cool. What do you think of the ECM Syncronika?
I don't actually know if you need to be into computers to like it but I definitely understand what you mean when you say you find the traditional machines nicer looking and I think that's a valid point. For me, I love the look of the KVW speedster or la marzocco GS3 better but at its price I just don't want to give up the flexibility and data the Decent provides. The ECMs are good machines, great build, perfect for long life. I think they aren't the sexiest looking - very square and straight. The Rocket R58 is better looking but more expensive. It's important to note that those are two dual boiler machines, the Decent is not, but by design. Still if looks are important then make sure you see the ECM in person. 👌
Well, internally I believe they are similar but I prefer to not use fully automatic settings as the machine is never as good as you and it makes it hard to learn.
@@Rydecoffeecoach thank you for your response, I was considering the barista touch but after reading/watching a lot of reviews I want something that will last me more than 5 years.. I'm leaning towards the Ascaso steel duo pid.. Is that something you've had before? Thank you
Love my Rocket Cellini and have kept it running for 8 years and see no real need to upgrade. La Marzocco looks ace and Dalla Corte Mina but way expensive!
I remember James Hoffman being angry that the Aldi machine even exists. Theres no OPV, so the only way to regulate pressure is with changes in the coffee puck. Eg. grind size, dose, etc. He couldnt get it dialed in at all. The only way to not choke the machine was to grind so coarse that it was impossible to get a good extraction. Go too fine (where it SHOULD be for other machines) and the machine chokes and the water gets superheated inside the thermoblock.
I haven't seen that video but this isn't the regular Aldi machine, this is the Stirling one that's only available once a year so maybe it's different to the UK one. Sure, it's not the best machine ever but for the price, it's amazing! I would choose this over every machine up to the Silvia. I'd probably recommend it over a Breville Barista Pro which is 3-4X more expensive. It is what it is though, it's a cheap appliance but I was expecting a piece of rubbish and was genuinely impressed by the quality output and ease of use. 👌 But I'd choose Decent every time if the budget allows. 🤗
Yes I think if you've got a good handle on making coffee at home already then it will be ok. But you'll have to be prepared for a bit of a learning curve because these machines won't produce great coffee super easily. What machine do you have now?
@@Rydecoffeecoach a delonghi dedica with a bottomless portafilter. I don’t want something difficult but I want something that lasts longer than a breville
Yeh they are great. One of my team has the Kate which is the Elizabeth but with a grinder built in too. It's fantastic for getting your extraction just right. 👌
I can't really recommend eBay as I don't know the quality of anything there but of course, if you wish to take chances and save money then eBay is great for that. I'm really just recommending the product itself, not where you buy from.
I'm not actually sure. Which country has the supermarket Brim? You can see if the espresso machine at Brim is made by Stirling and if so, it's probably the same. 😊👌
Hi there! Automatic machines will always struggle to make your milk hotter than 65°C/ 149°F so you can't expect to get very hot milk from it. Having said that, I think the Jura coffee machines are great little automatic machines. The E6 might be the best option.
I was about to order a Breville Barista Express as it is currently on sale. However, owning a Rocket machine has long been a dream. It so happens that the Giotto is also on sale (for one more day). Of course, it is several times the price. But, based on your assessment it seems that the Rocket is the way to go. I've been making espresso for several decades, mostly with inferior machines. This may be the impetus I need to take the plunge and grab onto a Rocket! More to come...
Ouch! Out of curiosity what does a Rocket Giotto cost? Cos for $2.5k I would just spend a bit more and go for a rocket. Can you buy them in the US for cheaper?
That's so crazy! I didn't even know you could do the slayer mod! 👍👌🙌 I would go the Silvia pro then maybe for that price since it will last for 15+ years. The Breville is only going to give you 5.
Having a decent espresso rated grinder cannot be overstated. You could have the best machine on that list but if your grinder sucks, so will your shots. A good machine can't make up for a bad grinder....save on the machine and invest in a good grinder first, or you'disappointed
This was so informative! Thank you so much, I still have a little more research to do, but you saved me from a purchase i def wouldn’t have been happy with in the end :)
So I was looking at the Brewville because I wanted the option of just espresso, americano, etc. but I don’t love how big it is and the fact that your putting out so much money for it to last about 5 years. I’m willing to learn how to make these drinks without the touch screen. I currently have a nespresso pod machine and I really like it and how small it is. But I wanted to get more advanced in my coffee making skills. Lol
Ah ok fantastic, so you don't need to steam milk? If that's correct, I would consider a Flair espresso machine. Have a look at my video on it. It's small, designer, perfect for espresso (Americanos will need a kettle also), should last forever. Otherwise the Gaggia and Rancilio are nice and compact, cheaper and last forever. Don't forget, a grinder will be as important. 👌
I still think the Gaggia is a great machine without PID but it does take some understanding of how a hysteresis works so you can time it right to extract at the best temp. 👌 For me it's not a deal breaker but yes, people should get the PID wherever they can.
I think you're talking about another Aldi machine because the steam wand on this particular one is amazing. Was it the new one they just released? The one with the built in grinder? That definitely doesn't look great.
@@Rydecoffeecoach nope. no built in grinder (always get a good separate grinder). it was last years model and defiantly sterling. my partner has over 10 years barista experience and could not get decent constancy with the milk. it was horrible. could get better milk from a horrible 7/11 machine coffee. maybe for you its fine.
Definitely a great machine, but if I'm paying that I'm probably going for the LM gs3 or a bit more to get the Synesso MVP Hydra. If it was closer to the LMLM, then definitely. 🏆
Great video mate, but just don't understand why so many you tubers add the stupid music in the background. If you really really have too, which you don't, please keep it on low volume. Your knowledge is the reason we're watching the video.... not to listen to the annoying music which is very distracting. Just my opinion with respect. Keep up the great work, but put that cup down or take a sip bud i feel for your arm😆
Thanks! Appreciate the feedback and yeh I get it. I put music mostly to cover the background hum of the fridge or aircon, but I get what you mean. I have stopped holding the cup these days as people said it was too distracting cos I look like I'm about to spill it (maybe once or twice 😂). Things you learn as a TH-camr 😂 Thanks again for the feedback and glad you find the videos useful 👌
How about lever espressos next? I think they are much more charming than the typical espresso machine, very tactile experience and heard it makes better espressos than the ones in the same price range. You just gonna have a hell of an experience in pre heating the brew chamber with light roasts.
I mean that's pretty subjective 😂 it won't be the machine, it would be a combination of many things. The machine they just crowned the world Barista champion on was an Astoria Tempesta but even then, it was Morgan's and Anthony's performance that nailed it, not the machine.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I can admit that, but also I can afirm that on each and every Portuguese Cafeteria I can taste true Espresso each time, and at all no sugar or milk required, what is this then? Their tech support ability's to setup specific and equal Coffee, Grinder mode, machine so good combined? Mean I travelled a lot, and just simple haven t taste anything better.. Just to give an idea, 50.000km/year by car across Europe 🙃 And you know what I'll say, mostly Germany, Belgium, France, they've replaced espresso machines with full automatically ones and that's first issue...
True the Elektra is a great machine. I probably will do another more in-depth review at some point and include the lever machines. I just think the Lever machines are such a steep learning curve that if I recommend it, and a newbie goes and buys one, they'll hate it.
I absolutely disagree with your expert opinion on the "heat, moisture, rust, corrosion" related to the built in grinder. I've had different Breville machines for about 11 years now and not a single time I had an issue with anything related to that. It's simply a false statement.
It's not a false statement, it's my opinion. 🤗👌 I have had multiple Brevilles too and I'm guessing something went wrong with your machines if you've had multiple in 11 years. In my opinion, I don't rate built in grinders. One thing that isn't just my opinion is that your beans will heat up if the grinder is built in. That's a fact. 👌
very difficult vidio to watch, the full almost overflowing cup of coffee took all my focus... turning off the vid, and listening to the audio only for a second listen...
Yeh I love it but I would warn people about losing many hours each time you make a coffee. Sometimes too much information can be dangerous! Your puck preparation needs to be perfect 👌 but for those of you who want to go full Alice in Wonderland, this is the machine!
I did not need to see this video!!! I now want a Decent coffee machine. Great video too, except couldnt stand watching you holding that coffee for so long! very distracting.
Oh yeh I have never looked back since the Decent. Although, they are about to release a similar one: Synesso ES1 which, given the quality of my other Synesso machine, is very tempting! Yeh I actually think I'll stop holding the coffee because a few people said it was distracting because they thought I'd spill it. I didn't realise it was that big of a distraction! Thanks for the feedback.
Hey dude, 15 years experience to brew a coffee with a Rancilio would easily get you a degree in brain surgery!. It's only a coffee, no need to get too excited, basic experience is all that's needed. Otherwise good video 👍
I have to say the Torino looks good but I haven't had a chance to really experience it. I have always been a bit hesitant of sunbeam since I've had a lot to do with their other machines and grinders and I'm not a fan. Really the only coffee appliance I rate for that price is the Breville dual boiler. I would go boiler over thermoblock.
Thanks John! I really appreciate your feedback. I just hate silence so do you think I can just change the music to something else or lower it down a bit more?
It's not really there to say these machines are new to 2022, it's more to let people know what coffee machines I'm recommending in 2022. When I do the one for 2023, there will be a lot of machines that are the same. 👌
Credit for holding a coffee cup for such a long time without spilling.
😂 yeh sometimes it's pretty close! I think twice in 100 videos I've tipped it too far.
@@Oshiiiiiiiiiiii Спасибо.
his steaming technique is incredible that froth is literally stronger than my will to live
I felt bad for his hand 😅
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This is our second K-Classic. We had our first one for many years, so when we had to replace it, we wanted nothing else but this exact th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf model. We use it for about three people everyday in the morning. The taste and quick brew is one of the reasons we like it so much. There are so many choices of brands of coffee that we would grab what was on sale and test the different brands from there. I would definitely recommend trying different brands of coffee to find the ones you like the most because there are brands that quite frankly taste horrible.
Fantastic review mate. Thanks
Thank you!
Thank you for the thorough reviews. It is clear there's no one single machine that's best for everyone.
Yeh it really comes down to what's most important to you. 🙌👌
5 years ago I got a Sage grinder and Duo Temp Pro. As you predict the Duo Temp Pro has a leak and off for repairs. I did attempt to look inside but beyond a few screws the panels need plastic breaking force to move or some trick not apparent. The metal shell is held in place by bending over the metal - can't do that often for repair access. Sage have a flat basic charge covering replacement parts for features not included and that is close to the original purchase cost. A new rrp is double. They also offer a discount on a new one which is slightly better than the discounts you can see on their web site and dealers. Spending a few hundred over 5 years okay, but if that happens on a thousand or two that does get expensive. So those that do allow and support service are more affordable even with a higher initial cost.
Thanks for sharing! Yeh they are a pain to repair. The extra money on a more solid machine will definitely pay off in the long run but I understand how people often choke at the intial outlay.
Hi Ryde, thanks for the great videos, I’ve learned a lot. I’m wondering if you have any thoughts on the Breville Bambino Plus, paired with a good grinder - it’s on sale for $499 AUD. I’ve seen some good reviews for it out there. I’m no expert so just looking for something under 1k that is decent and better than my mates’ Breville Barista Express 😅
Alternatively, I found the Aldi/Stirling one 2nd hand on facebook for $200 - is that better value? I’m just worried about longevity as I saw some reviews saying small plastic parts broke and there aren’t any spare parts floating around as it’s discontinued.
Thanks heaps!
Hey Liam! The Bambino regular I think is better value, all you get for $200 more on the plus is 9 colour options and an automated milk steamer which is nice but you can learn to do silky milk in 10mins. They are decent machines for the price and the grinder is more important anyway so I'd probably put the extra money towards a good Eureka Mignon or Timemore Sculptor. 👌🙌 Anything will be better than the express! 😅
@@Rydecoffeecoach Got it! thanks heaps Ryde, appreciate it 😊
Thank you brother for sharing your wisdom❤️
I suggest that you invest in a good mic for your audio and choose a background music the matches your amazing caliber.
Love & light 🙏
Thank you Leo! Yes I'm not sure why this video is still high in circulation, I've definitely improved the mic audio and the background music has stopped. 🙌
@@Rydecoffeecoach 🙏
great review! Straight to the point and mentioning all "mandatory" machines. Very fair critics to each machine so congratulations! I subscribed to your channel immediately and have my thumbs up! Quick question: are you planning to make a similar video for grinders? That'd be amazing! And thanks for this video!
Thanks so much! 👌🙌 Yes I think I will do a video on the grinders shortly.
@@Rydecoffeecoach could you please include the Lelit William PL72 in your analysis?
Yes I'll try to include it! 👌
They have this exact machine (Stirling) in the USA at Best Buy for 299 after 150 off, but under the name *Bela Pro Series* I have an all in one machine I paid 750.00, not real happy overall, the convenience is nice, but I think I will go with the Gaggia Pro, its hard to beat tbh, I can get one for 399. If I am going to go for it (wifey must receive a mindbender idea from me but think its her idea) I think I will go with a Rocket Appartamento, I know it will last 20 yeas with good maintence.
Inception 😂
Gaggia is by far and a way the best deal for entry level expresso making. Fit a quality grinder with it and you can make professional quality expresso drinks at home. The durability is a key factor with a 58mm group head. For what you get all around it’s the best.
Absolutely! It's such an underrated machine. It will last you forever and always pumps out a great coffee. Totally right about a grinder, I think it's as important as the machine.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I disagree vehemently. It's honestly the worst entry level machine on the market and it's insanely over rated. There's an entire reddit thread about why people should stop recommending a machine that needs endless mods to be passable. Temp surfing problems and not being set at 9 bars is garbage for beginners or pros. The bambino would be 10x better for an entry level machine. The middle market is useless. Bambino for budget. Dual boiler for best value/high end jump. Decent for high end. Honestly those are the only 3 machines I care about on the market after endless research.
Loved the video and will have to surf the rest of the channel.
@@saleen12 I disagree. If the Gaggia was a $1000 that would not be worth it but for the build quality and durability for $500 it’s a good buy. If you want to mod it’s that’s your choice but people have been making great expresso on it without the mods for years it’s only in this buying frenzied market that you need 20 accessories to make a good expresso. Breville’s are cheaply made and need to be replaced every few years. I know because I have had one. I don’t know much about the Decent “I have heard” they are the new thing on the block but quite honesty for $4000 I’m pretty sure I can find many other dual boilers that I can pull some great shots on.
@Alexander Khioe From most people that have bought the Gaggia none complain about it except select people online that are critical with every little thing about a machine. Out of the box it’s fine along with a quality grinder. It seems like we are in a mod crazy frenzy for every machine and these companies love it because they are making a killing off of people because they don’t feel their machine is “good enough”. Between accessories and the “mods” you can add an additional $400 on top of what one has already pain. Too me that’s excessive.
@Alexander Khioe All I’m saying even if you put an extra $50 in the Gaggia it’s still a great value. Your still $250 less than the Silvia. Your next bump is a heat exchanger for about a $1000 more.
Hello, How do you think about Nuova Simonelli Oscar II Coffee Machine ?. I just started with coffee. I want to learn and improve my skills in latte art or cappuccino art. And this machine seems as steam milk very well and fastly. How do you think, between this one and others, the same price as Breville Dual Boiler or Rancilio Silvia 6?
Hi Ryan,
John's my name from Brisbane. Great video Ryan, plenty of info and advice, thank you.
Today I bought the ALDI Stirling Premium Espresso Machine with Grinder. ($399) I am a complete newbie to coffee machines. I had read about and heard that the ALDI Stirling was a pretty good machine for the price. I came a cross your TH-cam channel after buying this machine.and of course listened to your comments about the Stirling coffee machine.
The Stirling machine I have bought as mentioned does have an inbuilt grinder. Listening to your comments about inbuilt grinders in low end coffee machines, prompted me to write to you.
Should I use the inbuilt grinder or purchase a separate coffee bean grinder?
Once again thank you for your advice. if you get a chance, I would love to receive a reply from you.
Cheers
John😀
Hi John! Thanks for reaching out. I want to first allay your concerns. You do not need to get a separate grinder...yet. My biggest issue with built in grinders are on more expensive machines like Breville Oracle or Lelit Kate. These machines which cost upwards of $2-4k should be stand alone machines. The issues will be there for the ALDI machine too but at $400 you should expect to get hopefully 3-5years out of it. By that time, you should be into coffee enough to warrant you taking the next step and buying a great grinder and a great machine that will both last you 20+ years or until you want to upgrade again.
The one thing I will say is only put enough beans in for the coffees you make each day. Don't use the hopper to store beans as they will heat up from the machine and sweat away all those beautiful yummy oils. 👌
Hope this helps!
Btw you can come and visit my cafe in Arana Hills, Brisbane. Grounds of Origin.
Cool thanks for the advise Ryan :)@@Rydecoffeecoach
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Thank you for the helpful video. I’m currently in the market for a machine and have been a bit overwhelmed by all the options
Yes there's so many! If this is your first machine and you have the budget, get a Breville dual boiler and smart grinder Pro. If that's outside your budget, seek the Aldi machine. The Rancilio and Gaggia machines are a much steeper learning curve and if you don't have barista experience it will not produce nice coffees easily. Good luck! 👌
Super helpful video, thank you! I’ve been thinking of getting an espresso machine down the road, I’ll wait for the Aldi one.
Yep just keep your eye out for the sales.
I just ordered a Silvia Pro X for just under $2000USD from Pantechnicon Design. They threw in walnut steam dial, wood handle on a bottomless portafilter and they have included a redesign of the Silvia’s drain tray. You can just slide out the drain tray with no contortions. This is a promotion ending on Oct 31, 2022.
That's super awesome. Free custom is worth at least $500+ so great deal. If anyone is keen to get a Silvia Pro X and you've been on the fence, now is the time to strike. That deal alone makes it worthwhile! 👌Get over to www.pantechnicondesign.com/ Thanks for sharing.
Hello, very nice video, what u think about profitec pro 700 ? 🙂
Yes love the Profitecs! Someone told me on here that one downside even on the 700, if it's not plumbed, you can waste a shot halfway through when it runs out of water. That's pretty disappointing for such a great machine.
Boss - appreciate your time creating content and sharing it with us ... for the love of online and content ... please get a decent microphone. It doesn't necessarily have to be wireless. Just get something decent, so we can enjoy watching and listening to your content. Much love from Toronto.
Thanks man, yeh I totally agree. These videos cost me something like $400+ to just make as is and at the moment I don't have enough subs to make money back (I think I need to reach 100k to break even or something), so I'm having to just use whatever gear I can afford. Definitely agree I could get a new mic and appreciate the feedback. 🙏
The best straight up review EVER!!! I have the Breville Dual Bouler. Oh, I have enjoyed it for a few years but it's dying........
Yeh it's horrible when it starts to go! 😥 If you have time and patience you can fix them yourself for not much money most of the time. 👌
Do a video where you buy a ranchilio Silvia and teach us how to set it up
I would do that if Incan get my hands on one cheap. Im getting a Gaggia classic pro first so I'll do it for that.
I'm looking for a 4 cup espresso maker. What brands or models would you recommend?
When you say 4 cup espresso maker I think of two group machines where you can extract 4 shots at once, is that what you mean? Or do you mean like a 4 cup mokapot?
Please someone help! My head is spinning with too much info. The wife and I just want to make a decent flat white as close to café standard as possible but don’t want to take out a mortgage on one. Is there a simple answer? Just buy an ‘X’ it’s not too expensive, doesn’t have all the bells and whistles but makes good coffee and won’t die a week after the warranty expires. Or should we just stick to our pod machines? I’d like to stay under $500 if possible, am I dreaming?
What do you think of the ascaso steel uno. Think it's between 1000 to 1500 euro .
Yeh they look lovely, are very reliable so I'm told. I've never owned one and don't know a lot of people who do but they come highly recommended. 👌 Plus the design is so beautiful!
Ry, I've been running a Rocket Giotto for the last 5 years. It's about ~15 years old. I'm very familiar with it and it's strengths and limitations, and have torn it down to the frame and rebuilt it once before. Only mods are a grouphead thermometer and reduced OPV pressure. Would like the idea of a flow control, but then I lose grouphead temp. It's paired with a Kafatek Monolith MC4, will likely upgrade to the new Surikone burrs, but it's a fantastic grinder. I do 90% espresso brewing, and do enjoy milk based drinks alongside straight espresso. Looking at a BDB (1500 USD) and throwing all the mods at it, but beyond that, what other machine do you think I should really take a long look at around or under 2500 USD. If I get a BDB I'd probably dump it after 2 years.
Hey Justin, I wouldn't go with a BDB if you've had all that experience with the Giotto. I just think you might be disappointed.
You're obviously handy enough to rebuild and mod so I would be looking at a commercial build machine like Profitec 700 which gives you mostly what you want plus a unique feature of being about to switch off the steam boiler which sounds like you might use since you only have milk occasionally. Great energy and money saver! Also, How much is the Rocket r58 there?
@@Rydecoffeecoach being the home barista for the family, I'll probably always be ~50/50 espresso/milk based, so I'd say both are important. R58 is $3300, Pro 700 is $3000. I keep seeing issues with the newer Rockets, including bent frames in shipping. Just not sure how well built they still are. Bianca, at $3000, seems to have the best FC knob setup, as well as the electronic slow flow mode, which puts it ahead of the E61 pack, imo, but I think ECM/Profitec may respond sooner than later given the market share the Bianca has been nabbing as of late. And I prefer the ECM/Profitec quality control and overall more cohesive design, so I'd be inclined to see what they come up with.
What’s your thoughts on the nuova simonellu Oscar 2 pro?
I haven't had a lot to do with the Oscar but I worked on lots of commercial NS and they were constantly breaking down, made with cheaper parts and I disliked them immensely.
Is this a machine you already purchased or just considering?
@@Rydecoffeecoach looking at buying one. What would you recommend in this price range then?
The Lelit Mara X or ECM classika PID are great around that simar price (depending on which country you are in). Look at those brands plus Rocket, Profitec and even Expobar have great ranges and you should be able to find something that fits your budget and features you want from those quality manufacturers. 👌 Let me know how you go!
@@Rydecoffeecoach great thanks 🙏. What about the CIME CO-11?
Cheers
Hi there. Would you say it's a bad idea to buy a dual boiler second hand ?
Nope not at all. If they are refurbished they should be pretty good as new. Is it the Breville dual boiler or a different one? I've bought some 2nd hand Brevilles and they last about the same.time.but cost a lot less. Obviously, make sure you go look at it in person, make coffee on it and ask lots of questions about it. 👌
What about Bezzera? Make there own parts since 1901. Rocket is to expensive for it’s features. Strongly build but nothing original on them
Yes thanks for pointing that out. 👌 Bezzera is another great brand. I mean there are so many good machines, it's really hard to go into all of them. But Rocket may be expensive, same as most big name brands though (LM, Synesso, Slayer) but the quality is definitely there, it's a 20+ year machine
Would you recommend single dosing to avoid the issues you stated with the Breville Barista Pro?
Yeh that would certainly help. But watch out for popcorning (where there are so few beans that they fly around as they grind.) This causes uneven grind.
I would just put in a little more than you need each day.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I have noticed that, but is does not happen too often luckily.
@@dasvi7102 perfect 👌
Awesome video. I've serviced both a Gaggia Classic Pro boiler (mine) and a Rancilio Sylvia (mates), and the Sylvia was harder to get to (lots of panels on the black frame), but easier once I got there.
Thinking of upgrading to an ECM Casa V - what's your opinion of the Casa?
Once again, thanks for the video
PS bought my daughter a 2nd hand Aldi Stirling and agree with your assessment. Quite capable despite lack of 3-way solenoid valve
PS Work of art is the Kees Van der Westen Speedster.
Thanks! I haven't had much to do with the Casa but all ECM machines are great! It certainly looks like a step up from the Gaggia classic pro and rancilio Silvia so I would say go for it. 👌
Also, love Kryten!
@@georgcantor8859 or the Dalla Corte Mina those are sexy beasts but at 9k for Dalla Corte Mina and 13k for KVDWS way expensive! My Rocket cost under 2k and thought that was expensive.
i got the barista pro. open box special. good deal. its made 3k+ espressos so far
3k+?? Are you using it for commercial purposes? 🙌👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach the lockdown was a very intensive 18 month period lol
Hello I’ve been looking into getting an espresso machine where I can dial in my espresso, so far I have been leaning towards the Solis barista perfetta plus espresso machine, But I was wondering how it compares to other machines in that price range and even some closer to the thousand dollar price range, please let me know your thoughts.
In my opinion only I would stay away from the Segafredo Solis Perfetta. I think for that price range you can find some much better quality machines, or even spend a little more to get yourself the Breville Dual Boiler. I am not a huge fan of appliances as coffee machines but at least the Breville's can get a decent shot of espresso (they just don't last longer than 5 years). Is it your first home machine? If so, just start with the Breville which will allow you to easily make great coffee at home. You can then work out what you want and then upgrade your equipment in a few years. 👌
Thanks for this great video that is relative to the Australian market. I’ve learned a lot from it. As a novice I’ve been considering a Breville Dual Boiler but would prefer to purchase a high quality machine that I can grow into. I came across some videos of Ascaso machines. Do you know much about them?
I do love the look of the Ascaso PID but they have reliability issues and it is more difficult to service them because parts are a bit harder to get because they aren't as common. Having said that other people have had great results so I'm sure there's two sides to everything.
My advice would be to invest more heavily in your grinder. These are the most important and will last pretty much forever if cared for. I love the Mahlkonig X54 for around $1000AUD but there's lots of different grinders from the likes of Compak, Eureka, Quamar etc. (In Australia, I'm not a big fan of the Mazzers as they don't deal with humidity well - prob good in Melbourne and Sydney though).
If you really are wanting to invest in coffee from the get go, grab a Rocket (Giotto or dual boiler) and one of the grinder brands.i mentioned above and you'll be set for life. But I always find I end up upgrading my machine (but never/rarely my grinder). But still, you won't be unhappy with a Breville dual boiler and a smart grinder Pro. 😊
Good luck and let me know what you decide!
I’m looking for an espresso machine that can handle 50-70 shots a day for a coffee cart any recommendations would be appreciated
I would probably get a 2 group machine for that volume especially for when it grows. A La Marzocco Gs3 can easily handle it but just having one group to work on will just slow you down too much. Even just a basic 2 group that can run on low amps will be best. I wouldn't want to do more than 20 at a time on a single group. Unless you're talking about 70 coffees over a 8-10hour day. You could get away with Gs3 but for the price you may as well get a second hand LM linea PB. You might be able to do it on San Remo cube but it's just putting unnecessary pressure on yourself and you might find you have to upgrade right away.
If you're starting out, I would recommend a 2 group Wega.
IMO it is worthwhile doing a rough calculation on the relative costs of the espresso hobby and how much you enjoy it.
In our case… we do 3 per day times two… costing 70 cents each… so we are spending $4 per day on coffee only
That is about 1460 per year on just the beans. So, in that context… it makes sense to spend 2000 on a machine that makes great coffee that we really enjoy and which machine will last nearly forever
Absolutely! Great way of explaining it. I think people struggle to calculate how much they'd save on coffee out when they get a machine. 👌
Looks like Aldi are about to sell the new improved Stirling machine here in Aus in the next few days . Would be great to hear your 2c mate
Thanks for letting me know! I just had a quick squiz but I was severely disappointed that they put in a grinder. 😥 It only has 15 grind settings and that's going to limit a lot of people (unless the 15 have steps in between, but I doubt it). What I loved about the old Stirling was that they focused on the machine and allowed you to invest in a great grinder.
Demz Rancillios is da ShizNit Baybe!
How good la pavoni leaver coffee machine?
Thanks
I actually love lever machines! Just be wary that there's a really steep learning curve and the la Pavoni is a manual lever not a spring loaded one. I would opt for a spring lever to begin with because it's just so challenging otherwise.
I have la pavoni pro and love it. But it is good for one person (or two) but not for entertaining. Re the recommendation to get a sprung lever group (eg. Electra MicroCasa), I would NOT recommend that over the La Pavoni Pro. It is easier to get the grind right on the La Pavoni. There are bigger and better lever machines that might be fine with sprung group heads though.
How do you rate DeLonghi La Specialista Maestro against the Barista Pro?
Actually a great question, I haven't got my hands on it enough to make a fair judgement but tomorrow I'm doing exactly that so stay tuned for my review 👌🙌
I did have the Lelit Victoria PL91T, but the knob in teflon it's totally garbage. Will break very easy with an hardcore use (in my home was used for like 9 cappuccino per day) and overtime, even if you make some sign for the "point 0" of the knob, you will see that every use it will need to close stronger the knob because if not, it will lose water from the steam wand. Or at least mine after 2 repair still did that. For espresso only it's great, but when you do a lot of frothing, you will be not happy at the end in my experience.
Making 9 coffees per day is heavy use and I would think these machines are going to give out. I've had commercial machines where the plastic knob has broken and the solenoid is always going to need replacing as that will leak water at some point. What machine do you have now?
@@Rydecoffeecoach Right now aeropress haha I am looking out for now, I am waiting for the refound from the online store. I don't know if going for the double boiler Silvia Pro X or an HX machine like Rocket Espresso Mozzafiato V. Or if it's better rump it up the budget for a double boiler like Quick Mill QM67 or Bezzera Matrix MN. I don't change often coffee, and most of the shots are milky drinks, but I drink sometimes light roast. Very confused on what to buy 😂😅
James Hoffman done a video on the Aldi machine with grinder and he rubbished the Aldi machine , it looks the same as the sterling but with the grinder.🤔
I can't be sure but I thought it was a different machine. ALDI do sell another machine that you can buy all year round, this one is just one of the specials each year. I honestly can't fault it for the cheap price. Sure, if you have a budget of $1500 then you should go with the Breville dual boiler, but for $300, this Stirling kicks butt over all the Brevilles, delonghi and sunbeams up to $1k+. Also, one thing to note is that I think JH is normally referring to spros out those machines. If you're only drinking spros, I would then instead recommend a Flair or Bellman Stovetop. 🙌👌
Why didn't you include the Lelit Elizabeth or Lelit Bianca dual boiler machines?
I think I did a general Lelit range recommendation, didn't I? There's so many I couldn't cover them all but they are all good albeit a little boxy.
It's unusual that products are cheaper in Australia than in Canada but the Silvia M is $1170 CAD here (before tax!). The Gaggia Classic Pro is 600-$650 CAD.
Yeh usually CAD is much cheaper, I wonder why those are not? And my understanding is that the Breville dual boiler is so expensive too which makes it not a good buy.
You did not mention the ECM Syncronica, (if that’s spelled right) about the price of the Decent. The ECM is more traditional and offers a lot of high end features. I’m not sure of the longevity of the decent, computers break down often or just become obsolete. I second the grinder video please. I’m in the process now of researching a prosumer machines with grinders. There is a lot out there but I would love to go to a store and try out a bunch of them. I just can’t find a place that sells them to try out, and I live near NYC. It’s been challenging and it seems this is the only way to try and research them. Thanks for the great content.
Look into the Decent more the computer stuff is easily and cheaply replaced the machine itself is pretty solid.
Yeh I just can't go past the Decent at its price point. It just has the ultimate control and analysis to help any barista hone their craft. Yes I know that the Decent hasn't been around long enough to pass durability tests but the foundation is solid and parts are easy to replace so 🤞🤞
@@Rydecoffeecoach I hear what you are saying, I think you think the decent can replicate basically any machine you program it for. I’m not into computers and I don’t really speak their language so I’m out of that. I don’t like the looks of it though ( which should not count) and I think the traditional looking espresso machines look really cool. What do you think of the ECM Syncronika?
I don't actually know if you need to be into computers to like it but I definitely understand what you mean when you say you find the traditional machines nicer looking and I think that's a valid point. For me, I love the look of the KVW speedster or la marzocco GS3 better but at its price I just don't want to give up the flexibility and data the Decent provides.
The ECMs are good machines, great build, perfect for long life. I think they aren't the sexiest looking - very square and straight. The Rocket R58 is better looking but more expensive. It's important to note that those are two dual boiler machines, the Decent is not, but by design. Still if looks are important then make sure you see the ECM in person. 👌
all the nice looking italian ones that are the price of a Breville duel boiler, never have a duel boiler. So it is hard to justify buying one of those
Have you looked at Lelit or Profitec? they have dual boilers that are cheap and still super good quality. 👌
What do you think of the Breville barista touch? Thank you!
Well, internally I believe they are similar but I prefer to not use fully automatic settings as the machine is never as good as you and it makes it hard to learn.
@@Rydecoffeecoach thank you for your response, I was considering the barista touch but after reading/watching a lot of reviews I want something that will last me more than 5 years.. I'm leaning towards the Ascaso steel duo pid.. Is that something you've had before? Thank you
Love my Rocket Cellini and have kept it running for 8 years and see no real need to upgrade. La Marzocco looks ace and Dalla Corte Mina but way expensive!
Awesome! Yeh you should be able to get at least another 10+ years out of it with good servicing. 👌
I remember James Hoffman being angry that the Aldi machine even exists. Theres no OPV, so the only way to regulate pressure is with changes in the coffee puck. Eg. grind size, dose, etc. He couldnt get it dialed in at all. The only way to not choke the machine was to grind so coarse that it was impossible to get a good extraction. Go too fine (where it SHOULD be for other machines) and the machine chokes and the water gets superheated inside the thermoblock.
I haven't seen that video but this isn't the regular Aldi machine, this is the Stirling one that's only available once a year so maybe it's different to the UK one. Sure, it's not the best machine ever but for the price, it's amazing! I would choose this over every machine up to the Silvia. I'd probably recommend it over a Breville Barista Pro which is 3-4X more expensive. It is what it is though, it's a cheap appliance but I was expecting a piece of rubbish and was genuinely impressed by the quality output and ease of use. 👌 But I'd choose Decent every time if the budget allows. 🤗
“Rancilio: It will do your head in…” 😂
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Would a Gaggia be ok for a second machine but still someone who is entry level-ish?
Yes I think if you've got a good handle on making coffee at home already then it will be ok. But you'll have to be prepared for a bit of a learning curve because these machines won't produce great coffee super easily. What machine do you have now?
@@Rydecoffeecoach a delonghi dedica with a bottomless portafilter. I don’t want something difficult but I want something that lasts longer than a breville
What do you think of the Lilet Elizabeth?
Yeh they are great. One of my team has the Kate which is the Elizabeth but with a grinder built in too. It's fantastic for getting your extraction just right. 👌
Thanks but the Kate is a sinlge boiler machine, whereas the Elizabeth is a dual boiler machine. So is the Elizabeth better than you thought?
Oh yeh my apologies! I got mixed up with the names! 😂 I was thinking of the Victoria. Yes, the dual boiler is definitely the way to go! 👌
Why not thinking on used market? As e.g. ebay, there's even options in guarantee and 50% less cost
I can't really recommend eBay as I don't know the quality of anything there but of course, if you wish to take chances and save money then eBay is great for that. I'm really just recommending the product itself, not where you buy from.
@@Rydecoffeecoach yes sure , zou right and thanks for sharing lot of info about 🍵
The Breville Barista Express, has been a great machine, I've had mine about 2 years now, and it does make great coffee
Hopefully it lasts you. I had someone else say they had theirs for 7 years!
Is Brim the same as Aldi?
I'm not actually sure. Which country has the supermarket Brim? You can see if the espresso machine at Brim is made by Stirling and if so, it's probably the same. 😊👌
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What do u recommend for an automatic or semiautomatic espresso machine w/milk froth, that makes the coffee hot and not warm. TY
Hi there! Automatic machines will always struggle to make your milk hotter than 65°C/ 149°F so you can't expect to get very hot milk from it. Having said that, I think the Jura coffee machines are great little automatic machines. The E6 might be the best option.
I was about to order a Breville Barista Express as it is currently on sale. However, owning a Rocket machine has long been a dream. It so happens that the Giotto is also on sale (for one more day). Of course, it is several times the price. But, based on your assessment it seems that the Rocket is the way to go. I've been making espresso for several decades, mostly with inferior machines. This may be the impetus I need to take the plunge and grab onto a Rocket! More to come...
You made the right decision! You'll never look back again. ❤️👌🥳
Breville dual boiler is 2500 CAD $ here... sigh
Ouch! Out of curiosity what does a Rocket Giotto cost? Cos for $2.5k I would just spend a bit more and go for a rocket. Can you buy them in the US for cheaper?
BDM is US$1600 here. Do u think it worth it? No official support here btw. Silvia pro x is about $ 300 more. Good think about bdm is the slayer mod.
That's so crazy! I didn't even know you could do the slayer mod! 👍👌🙌 I would go the Silvia pro then maybe for that price since it will last for 15+ years. The Breville is only going to give you 5.
Breville Barista pro needs to make it a 58mm portafilter. Makes not sense to call it a pro when it’s 54mm.
Yes indeed! It's ridiculous. Why they thought to build it like that when I'm sure it's easy to make 58mm parts. Maybe it's just a costing thing.
why not link to all the machines in the description?
Yes that's just an oversight at our end. We'll do that.
Having a decent espresso rated grinder cannot be overstated. You could have the best machine on that list but if your grinder sucks, so will your shots. A good machine can't make up for a bad grinder....save on the machine and invest in a good grinder first, or you'disappointed
This was so informative! Thank you so much, I still have a little more research to do, but you saved me from a purchase i def wouldn’t have been happy with in the end :)
That's great! Yes making a coffee machine purchase is a big decision! Tell me more about what you're after and budget and maybe I can help.
So I was looking at the Brewville because I wanted the option of just espresso, americano, etc. but I don’t love how big it is and the fact that your putting out so much money for it to last about 5 years. I’m willing to learn how to make these drinks without the touch screen. I currently have a nespresso pod machine and I really like it and how small it is. But I wanted to get more advanced in my coffee making skills. Lol
Ah ok fantastic, so you don't need to steam milk? If that's correct, I would consider a Flair espresso machine. Have a look at my video on it. It's small, designer, perfect for espresso (Americanos will need a kettle also), should last forever.
Otherwise the Gaggia and Rancilio are nice and compact, cheaper and last forever. Don't forget, a grinder will be as important. 👌
Dude...put the coffee down? In all seriousness though extremely helpful! Thanks!
😂 yeh I got a lot of feedback about the coffee so I've now (reluctantly) let go of the coffee in my future videos. 😂😂🙌 Thanks, glad I could help 🙏
The Gaggia is only good once it has been upgraded with a PID, its a deal breaker otherwise do not bother!
I still think the Gaggia is a great machine without PID but it does take some understanding of how a hysteresis works so you can time it right to extract at the best temp. 👌 For me it's not a deal breaker but yes, people should get the PID wherever they can.
Bought the sterling aldi machine. The frother was horrible. Took it back. Waste of money.
I think you're talking about another Aldi machine because the steam wand on this particular one is amazing. Was it the new one they just released? The one with the built in grinder? That definitely doesn't look great.
@@Rydecoffeecoach nope. no built in grinder (always get a good separate grinder). it was last years model and defiantly sterling. my partner has over 10 years barista experience and could not get decent constancy with the milk. it was horrible. could get better milk from a horrible 7/11 machine coffee. maybe for you its fine.
Rocket espresso R nine one
Definitely a great machine, but if I'm paying that I'm probably going for the LM gs3 or a bit more to get the Synesso MVP Hydra. If it was closer to the LMLM, then definitely. 🏆
O.o , O.O 3,000!!!!!
Great video mate, but just don't understand why so many you tubers add the stupid music in the background. If you really really have too, which you don't, please keep it on low volume. Your knowledge is the reason we're watching the video.... not to listen to the annoying music which is very distracting. Just my opinion with respect. Keep up the great work, but put that cup down or take a sip bud i feel for your arm😆
Thanks! Appreciate the feedback and yeh I get it. I put music mostly to cover the background hum of the fridge or aircon, but I get what you mean. I have stopped holding the cup these days as people said it was too distracting cos I look like I'm about to spill it (maybe once or twice 😂).
Things you learn as a TH-camr 😂
Thanks again for the feedback and glad you find the videos useful 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Hope I didn't come across too harsh. As I couldn't do what you do. So hats off to that, appreciate the content mate. 🙂
All good man! 🤗 I want to keep improving and your comment wasn't nasty and gave me constructive feedback. 🙌
That coffee got cold 🥶😆😆
😂😂 yep, I should have drunk it straight up. It was such a long video to film!
How about lever espressos next? I think they are much more charming than the typical espresso machine, very tactile experience and heard it makes better espressos than the ones in the same price range. You just gonna have a hell of an experience in pre heating the brew chamber with light roasts.
Yeh they are fun to play on! My synesso and decent machines actually can simulate a level machine and it's interesting to see the difference.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I always thought lever espresso was in mind when they were designing decent espresso
Oh it probably was, I didn't know that. It makes sense though as there are several presets that mimic lever machines.
But, honestly, nothing else in the world can do better espresso than Portuguese Delta Cafés for commercial.
Who knows that, knows what to search.
I mean that's pretty subjective 😂 it won't be the machine, it would be a combination of many things. The machine they just crowned the world Barista champion on was an Astoria Tempesta but even then, it was Morgan's and Anthony's performance that nailed it, not the machine.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I can admit that, but also I can afirm that on each and every Portuguese Cafeteria I can taste true Espresso each time, and at all no sugar or milk required, what is this then? Their tech support ability's to setup specific and equal Coffee, Grinder mode, machine so good combined?
Mean I travelled a lot, and just simple haven t taste anything better.. Just to give an idea, 50.000km/year by car across Europe 🙃
And you know what I'll say, mostly Germany, Belgium, France, they've replaced espresso machines with full automatically ones and that's first issue...
WHAT ABOUT ELECTRA ?
True the Elektra is a great machine. I probably will do another more in-depth review at some point and include the lever machines. I just think the Lever machines are such a steep learning curve that if I recommend it, and a newbie goes and buys one, they'll hate it.
@@Rydecoffeecoach iam planning to buy it but still worried as i just i want a good cup of coffee iam not into coffee tech
I absolutely disagree with your expert opinion on the "heat, moisture, rust, corrosion" related to the built in grinder. I've had different Breville machines for about 11 years now and not a single time I had an issue with anything related to that. It's simply a false statement.
It's not a false statement, it's my opinion. 🤗👌 I have had multiple Brevilles too and I'm guessing something went wrong with your machines if you've had multiple in 11 years. In my opinion, I don't rate built in grinders.
One thing that isn't just my opinion is that your beans will heat up if the grinder is built in. That's a fact. 👌
Drink your coffee now it’s getting cold. 😀
😂 yep! I learned the hard way and changed to cold brew. 😂
very difficult vidio to watch, the full almost overflowing cup of coffee took all my focus... turning off the vid, and listening to the audio only for a second listen...
😂haha yup! I don't spill it though but hopefully you learned everything you needed from the audio. 🤞👌
Decent is the way to go... Saving up...
Yeh I love it but I would warn people about losing many hours each time you make a coffee. Sometimes too much information can be dangerous! Your puck preparation needs to be perfect 👌 but for those of you who want to go full Alice in Wonderland, this is the machine!
I did not need to see this video!!! I now want a Decent coffee machine. Great video too, except couldnt stand watching you holding that coffee for so long! very distracting.
Oh yeh I have never looked back since the Decent. Although, they are about to release a similar one: Synesso ES1 which, given the quality of my other Synesso machine, is very tempting!
Yeh I actually think I'll stop holding the coffee because a few people said it was distracting because they thought I'd spill it. I didn't realise it was that big of a distraction! Thanks for the feedback.
Hey dude, 15 years experience to brew a coffee with a Rancilio would easily get you a degree in brain surgery!. It's only a coffee, no need to get too excited, basic experience is all that's needed. Otherwise good video 👍
😂 I always get excited for coffee. 👌 Thanks man.
@@Rydecoffeecoach now for some information please.
Boiler or thermo block!
Do you like the sunbeam torino? Has three thrno
I have to say the Torino looks good but I haven't had a chance to really experience it. I have always been a bit hesitant of sunbeam since I've had a lot to do with their other machines and grinders and I'm not a fan. Really the only coffee appliance I rate for that price is the Breville dual boiler. I would go boiler over thermoblock.
Love the info hate the music please remove the music very distracting trying to listen to you
Thanks John! I really appreciate your feedback. I just hate silence so do you think I can just change the music to something else or lower it down a bit more?
Are you going too drink that coffee? Or is it just a prop 🤪
Both! It's a prop and I drink it at the end. Usually it's cold but it's gone in two slurps. 😅
mr chief espresso officer you can get rid of the year "2022". these machines haven't changed in the past decade
It's not really there to say these machines are new to 2022, it's more to let people know what coffee machines I'm recommending in 2022. When I do the one for 2023, there will be a lot of machines that are the same. 👌
The music playing throughout the entire video made it unbearable to watch! 👎🏻 👎🏻 👎🏻
Yep I understand, I've actually got a series of new videos just coming out in a few days on what machine to buy. No music! 😂
How much you talk🤦🏻♀️better with action .
Thanks for feedback. I hope you still liked the video. 🤗
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