About the Baratza Sette 270. You are correct that there have been issues. However, Baratza has stood behind this grinder FAR beyond the warranty period. You should know that they have upgraded a lot of the parts since the initial release in 2017. The Sette is VERY user repairable and with the two issues that I had *Baratza sent me replacement parts free of charge, 5 years after purchase*. So far I've gotten 5 years out of my Sette and expect to get at least another 5 years out of it. One more thing... I just saw a comparison between the Sette and the Eureka Mignon Specialita and the Sette's grinds had far less clumping than the Mignon. Just saying.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. 👌 What country are you in? I don't know if they'd send parts to us here in Australia if it was outside the warranty period but that's great to hear they did in your case. 🙌😊
I’ve had a Baratza Sette 270 that I’ve used daily for the last 3 or 4 years without any issues. And it’s both stepped and step-less. Macro steps, step-less micro adjustment. It’s been fantastic for me. It’s just very very noisy. And I ended up going to a single dosing work flow within 3 months of getting it. But I’ve never had an issue with the build quality.
I just wanted to say I’m so glad I stumbled across your channel. I’m looking to get a great coffee setup at home, and your videos are great for steering me in the right direction.
Thank you for this exhaustive review, everyone talks about espresso machines but almost no one talks about grinders. Speaking of Lelit, if I buy Viktoria with William PL72 or a Kate do I get the same result? Is Kate the same as Victoria with a built-in William PL72?
Thank you so much for this review! It's been so difficult to find out which grinder to buy as a first-time purchase for espresso! Sometimes the description of a grinder claims it can do espresso, but then I either see comments that say the opposite. Never imagined finding a grinder would present such a challenge
I do like it but I've also had issues with a few over time. I think there are better grinders for a little bit more. Look at Eureka, Timemore or and Baratza. 🙌
Dude! I'm one of your subscribers from the UK and just purchased the Lelit Elizabeth, just waiting for it to arrive and am looking to order a grinder immediately! So which one would you recommend between the Mahlkonig x54, Eureka Specialita or Quamar Q50? I'll mainly be making espresso. Thank you 😊
I am a Mahlkonig lover so I lean there, but Eureka make great ginders too so either one you'll love. Quamar are great machines but I fear they are getting left behind compared to the other big companies. Still, you should be able to get them cheaper and they are all reliable grinders.
@@Rydecoffeecoach thanks for getting back to me. About to pull the trigger on a Eureka XL I think, although the mahlkonig X54 is on offer too... Life was easier when I used to drink Nespresso
Also watched your espresso machine review video which was quite helpful as this one was. Both combined reaffirm my future setup plans of a GCP and Silenzio. While certainly not a “high end” pairing, it’ll meet my needs at home. I also like the idea of tinkering and modding GCP…Thanks again….Cheers, from southeast USA.
Oh yeh, thats a great setup! You do not need the best equipment to get a great coffee, as long as your coffee itself is high quality, your coffee will be great!
Is it just me, or does that cup of coffee moving around so much really distract anyone? Otherwise, excellent information in the great search for the perfect grinder.
Thanks so much for all this advice! Have you a view on the Macap M2M? And with regards coffee machines, what would you choose between Lelit Mara X or Profitec Pro 400. cheers
Do you mean the KCG8433? It's got some cool features and I think it's pretty decent for entry level. But also check out the Fellow Opus which is very sleek and stylish and super quiet. Also, I still rate the Breville smart grinder as a good start.
There aren't many GBW grinders for home but the ones I know of and recommend are the Eureka Mignon Libra, they are great little grinders with that feature. There's also baratza sette 270wi but these grinders are far less reliable than the Eureka models. There's a few others like the Coffee Tech gravimetric but I'd personally stick to the Eureka. Having said that, there are way more grinders if you're happy to manually dose your coffee.
THANK YOU SO MUCHHHH I’m a small homestead roaster recently found it necessary to be able to roast up to 4 lbs at once Obviously I can no longer use my tiny spice grinder for this volume and deliver in a timely manner without exhausting myself I went with the German Engineering thanks again 🎉from TX USA (humid hear too )
Great video mate! Appreciate the sharing of knowledge Any chance of a video on comparing hand grinders you can find in Australia? Everything from Coffee Culture to Amazon, Catch, Victoria's Basement etc. ? All I can find ATM are hand grinder videos that are more UK or US specific - not really covering hand grinders you can find in AU
Thanks for your thoughts! 🙌 I have to disagree here though, only because I live in Brisbane now which is a subtropical climate and the Mazzers are manufactured for a European drier climate so they constantly gunk up and have huge retention as well as about half way through the morning the grind size is thrown completely out of whack and I end up wasting about 300g trying to fix the shots. I used to have Roburs and Majors in all my cafes in Sydney but that was back in 2000 and they worked fine there (and we weren't as fussy about our shots back then) but ever since I opened cafes in Brissy, I've stayed well clear of the Mazzers. Although, I can't say I've had much to do with the latest models and apparently they've improved them but with the San Remos, Compaks, Mythos, and Mahlkonigs and a plethora of other great grinders, I haven't been back to Mazzer. Maybe if they loan me a few to try they can convince me otherwise. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach if you will compare k43 old design you need to mod a lot of that grinder. So to compare old mazzer with new ek43 is not really fair. And if you like that allground so much and you don’t know that is a mazzer older design is a shame
Fair point, although I also have an old Ek43 from early 2000s and still going strong and so I'm comparing like for like there. I don't think I ever said I LOVE the Allground, it's a great grinder but anyway as far as I'm aware it's Fiorenzato not Mazzer. They might be close and swap technologies but I'm not aware of any outright partnership on that grinder.
Your eyes held my attention this entire video, oh, and thanks for the info. I've been in the market for at least half a year in search of the perfect espresso grinder. I'm an international traveler, and I pick up coffees all over the world. Looking forward to trying out one of these you've recommended. Cheers!
Oh thankyou! I have been told my eyes do sparkle sometimes 😂🤗. If you're travelling a lot I would get the Commandante hand grinders. But otherwise the perfect grinder for home is definitely a tough decision! Good luck and thanks for your support! 👌🙌
Hi thank you for making such an informative video. What grinder would you recommend for Areopress dark roast milk braised drinks? Also your decaf is amazing. Best I’ve tried thus far. Well done. Thank you.
Hi there! I really love the Commandante hand grinders as Aeropress is great for camping and you can take the hand grinder with you too. But if you exclusively use it for home, you might want to look at a Weber Key (although they are quite an investment - $3kAUD)
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thank you very much for the advice. I ordered a Niche Zero a few days ago after watching this video. I will also look into a Commandante for traveling.
Great video and very helpful for me. Can you please advise if I can get also verygood results with Lelit William PL71 or Fred PL043MMI? The PL72 is a bit expensive for me (drinking 1-2 coffees per day and being an enthusiast 😅)
Thank you! I think all the Lelit are decent grinders so yeh, the Fred would do really well for your needs. You could also look at the Fellow Opus and the new Timemore Sculptor 64s on Kickstarter (although I haven't bench tested them, they seem very reliable). 👌 Definitely no need to go overboard if your budget and consumption is lower.
I have a Breville Smart pro and it is a great conical grinder so I would like to add a flat burr. I looked at Niche. But you are 100% correct about the grinder and consistency. I roast my own beans and have had Breville Double boilers for years. Recently added the a Flair 58x and the pressure Bluetooth profilerdevice from Naked Portafilter. Like a poor man’s Decent. But if I get the grind correct it makes a great espresso. Had you had any experience with Option O Lagom 64 or 100 very hard to get. 1600 and 2600 US? Also the scale company Acica Orbit grinder due in September? Your content is great.
I have a Niche Zero. It looks terrible in a modern kitchen, crazy static so you need to RDT, that then means you can't use the catch cup. They only thing going for it is some just ok burrs. Had a Weber Key, sent it back.
Hey Ryd! Thanks for the video, I currently have the Breville Smart Pro and want to do an upgrade; Im thinking either Rancilio Rocky or the Mahlkonig, what do you suggest and what are the main differences between those 2?
The Malhkonig definitely. The rocky is fine but there's a much better Rancilio grinder coming out next year called the Stile which would also be great for you.
Wonderful! Thanks for your feedback and I'm so glad I could inspire you on this journey of coffee. It's the most rewarding rabbit hole you'll ever go down! 😂👌
Hi Ryd, I know you said in the video that you couldn’t recommend the Baratza Sette 270Wi, but I’ve done extensive research, read review after review and quite frankly, I haven’t found a more capable or easier to clean and maintain espresso grinder to replace my Breville smart pro when it finally dies (6 & 1/2 years and still going strong) What attracts me to the Baratza Sette 270Wi is the accuracy of minimal grind retention and pure ease of maintenance; I.e. I reckon that it would be easier to maintain than my current Breville, so because I don’t fancy stuffing around with wrenches and screw drivers merely to clean the burs, is there any other grinder on the market I should be looking at?
Fellow Opus is out now and although I haven't received my 240v version to really test it out, it looks like a killer to both the Breville and the Baratza at that price point. I'm probably a little harsh on the Sette 270wi because I think they charge a lot for the small benefit of weight, and I've had a few incidents where they've died within 2 years, but such is the risk with appliance models. I guess what I mean is, if you invest a bit more in something like a Eureka mignon or a prosumer/commercial grinder, they should last you forever.
Yeh it's a pity. Baratza just released an upgraded encore that should get fine enough for Espresso. So it will be interesting to see how much it closes the gap between the two models. Also, I've pre-ordered a Fellow Opus and this might blow the sette out of the water if Fellow have managed to keep their superb quality at this price.
Awesome question 👌 the Mahlkonig ek43 on its own is a Spice grinder so it's not specifically designed for coffee. It just so happens to be really AWESOME at grinding coffee. There are a few mods to them that people do use to set up for cafes and I would have bought one if the E65s didn't come out (also by Mahlkonig). Now I'm torn.
I definitely love the Eurekas and I'm pretty sure I mentioned the Mignon Silenzio (if not in this video I did in one of my other ones, I might have just forgotten to include it in this one.)
Man it is really amazing machine , I have planned to start coffee shop and looking for the machines grinder and coffee maker , I am from Ethiopia Africa , How could I access the machines in the market please, the one you are showing not available here , please brother Appreciated
Hey there! Greetings from Australia! 🙌🙌 I think you might have to look for other brands available in your area (that are still good). Do you have Astoria, Wega or Bezzera machines available there? These are good. 👌
Well, if you're just starting out and your budget only allows it, then maybe but I always fear with these appliances that they won't produce good enough coffee and then people stop using them after a couple of months of struggling, then they collect dust in your storage. If you can, up your budget to get a Breville dual boiler or at least a Breville Barista Pro 👌
Hello I just bought a lelit Anita, Im a newbie in the barista world and I tried everything, but still same outcome, a terrible Espresso. I cant recall the fórum I was reading but they said the built in grinder in the lelit is the problem. They suggest to get a good grinder, the built in one is a burr grinder and is the one Im using right now. What do you think. Should I get the 270? Do you really think I could make my Espresso less terrible or at least discard the grinder variable? Thanks in Advance and my apologies for my broken english.
Thanks for reaching out Carlos! I would try a few things before you invest in a new grinder (although it will definitely be better and you should have a separate grinder for many reasons). I would make sure your coffee is well roasted and high quality for starters. This makes all the difference. You can usually get a good coffee on any machine if you start with great coffee beans. They should be medium roast, roasted within 14 days ago, and specialty coffee (graded 80+). After you have sourced great coffee, try to measure the weight in and out (cheap scales that go down to 1g is fine) then you can start to eliminate the issues. If your shot is gushing through in under 20 seconds, you need to fine up the grind. If its taking more than 35 seconds you can coarsen it a bit. If your grinder is still not getting fine enough you can calibrate them usually. These are simple fixes that can easily improve the flavour before you need to really worry about a new grinder. I have lots of videos on my channel that will guide you through getting the right extraction. Enjoy!
Yeh I was thinking about including some hand grinders but I thought for espresso most people would want an electric grinder. But for hand grinders, I recommend the Commandante hands down. 👌
You said the Breville has a lot of fines and a wide range of particle sizes but it was tested with instrumentation and it was among the most narrow of any grinder at any price. Certainly more narrow than the Niche.
It's a great grinder for the price that's for sure. I'm totally open to being wrong because I haven't measured the particle sizes with specific instruments. All I've used in my experiments has been a micron filter and there was a wide range that I found. Still, I think it's the best entry level grinder (unless the Fellow Opus lives up to its creed). T Thanks for sharing! 🙌
I haven't actually got my hands on one yet. They do look intriguing as a cheaper alternative to the NZ, but at its price point ($999aud) I'd probably go with the Mahlkonig x54 over it. That being said I haven't used it, so I'd make a judgement call only after using it for a while. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Wow! That's quite a lot more than I thought. Here in Malaysia, you can probably get one at AUD$430... at AUD$999 I would get the Eureka Oro XL...
Oh that's so interesting. I think maybe because it's made by a Chinese company they may have priced it cheaper for Asia and with import taxes etc it might be more expensive in Australia. But at $430aud I would definitely like to get it!
😂😂 yeh that's what happened to me! No, to be fair the Breville pro is a great little machine and the smart grinder is good. I would always choose a dual boiler over the Pro, but if the budget isn't there I think it's a great alternative.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Got new Dual boiler machine. On hunt for grinder. Eureka single dose, mixed reviews, was looking at Mazzer, feel like Niche would be 'jumping the shark'
@@Rydecoffeecoach bet that’s it. Are the other grinders in that price range you mentioned less likely to gum up? Btw, my name is Russ and I’m in Washington DC USA
@@outtathyme5679 Hey Russ! I think if you wish to keep drinking dark roast you'll have to allow some time to clean out the burrs and get rid of any built up oils. It's worth taking the burrs off your Ode and having a look, they are good grinders usually.
Actually the parameters that are the most important: 1) freshness of the coffee 2) grinder 3) the way you use your stuff and measurements. 4) the espresso machine
Have you checked out the DeLonghi coffee grinder for only around $100. People have used them for more than 10 years of apparently trouble-free service. Or how about the urbanic 80s, made in Korea?
I actually don't really love this grinder. I feel like it went viral because of one yt video and it was one of the first grinders to focus in on zero retention, but aside from looking beautiful it's not great value for money (here in Australia at least - not sure how expensive they are elsewhere)
Ceado make some great grinders too. I'm super interested to get my hands on the HERO, a variable RPM 83mm grinder. 😍🎉 It's probably better suited as a third cafe grinder for sampling spros and pourovers, but I'd still love it in my house.
Holy Moly.... "More matter with less art." The first two minutes are tedious babbling. Tighten up your preamble and you'll have better videos. Wait... make that the first 5 minutes.
I get what you're saying. I guess I just tried to make an all encompassing video for people who haven't ever bought a grinder so I wanted to first explain the importance of having a grinder and the different styles, but I see your point: I should have made that a separate video.
About the Baratza Sette 270. You are correct that there have been issues. However, Baratza has stood behind this grinder FAR beyond the warranty period. You should know that they have upgraded a lot of the parts since the initial release in 2017. The Sette is VERY user repairable and with the two issues that I had *Baratza sent me replacement parts free of charge, 5 years after purchase*. So far I've gotten 5 years out of my Sette and expect to get at least another 5 years out of it. One more thing... I just saw a comparison between the Sette and the Eureka Mignon Specialita and the Sette's grinds had far less clumping than the Mignon. Just saying.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. 👌 What country are you in? I don't know if they'd send parts to us here in Australia if it was outside the warranty period but that's great to hear they did in your case. 🙌😊
I’ve had a Baratza Sette 270 that I’ve used daily for the last 3 or 4 years without any issues.
And it’s both stepped and step-less. Macro steps, step-less micro adjustment.
It’s been fantastic for me. It’s just very very noisy. And I ended up going to a single dosing work flow within 3 months of getting it.
But I’ve never had an issue with the build quality.
I just wanted to say I’m so glad I stumbled across your channel. I’m looking to get a great coffee setup at home, and your videos are great for steering me in the right direction.
Thank you! 🤗 Yeh you can get a great set up going, there's so many good machines out there now. Let me know if you need any other advice! 👌
Thank you for this exhaustive review, everyone talks about espresso machines but almost no one talks about grinders.
Speaking of Lelit, if I buy Viktoria with William PL72 or a Kate do I get the same result?
Is Kate the same as Victoria with a built-in William PL72?
Thank you! Yes pretty much the same tech and definitely better to keep them separate. Victoria plus William is a good combo. 👌
Thank you so much for this review! It's been so difficult to find out which grinder to buy as a first-time purchase for espresso! Sometimes the description of a grinder claims it can do espresso, but then I either see comments that say the opposite. Never imagined finding a grinder would present such a challenge
Hey Ryde, love the video!
What are your thoughts on the varia VS3 grinder ?
Cheers
I do like it but I've also had issues with a few over time. I think there are better grinders for a little bit more. Look at Eureka, Timemore or and Baratza. 🙌
Dude! I'm one of your subscribers from the UK and just purchased the Lelit Elizabeth, just waiting for it to arrive and am looking to order a grinder immediately!
So which one would you recommend between the Mahlkonig x54, Eureka Specialita or Quamar Q50?
I'll mainly be making espresso.
Thank you 😊
I am a Mahlkonig lover so I lean there, but Eureka make great ginders too so either one you'll love. Quamar are great machines but I fear they are getting left behind compared to the other big companies. Still, you should be able to get them cheaper and they are all reliable grinders.
@@Rydecoffeecoach thanks for getting back to me. About to pull the trigger on a Eureka XL I think, although the mahlkonig X54 is on offer too... Life was easier when I used to drink Nespresso
😅easier yes, less enjoyable though. 😂
@@Rydecoffeecoach that's for sure, ordered the XL, waiting for it to arrive. All the best for 2024 😉
Also watched your espresso machine review video which was quite helpful as this one was. Both combined reaffirm my future setup plans of a GCP and Silenzio. While certainly not a “high end” pairing, it’ll meet my needs at home. I also like the idea of tinkering and modding GCP…Thanks again….Cheers, from southeast USA.
Oh yeh, thats a great setup! You do not need the best equipment to get a great coffee, as long as your coffee itself is high quality, your coffee will be great!
Love the videoWhere can you get a Baratza for $200?
Sadly you can't anymore except second hand which is still good. But you should be able to find $300AUD on sale.
Is it just me, or does that cup of coffee moving around so much really distract anyone? Otherwise, excellent information in the great search for the perfect grinder.
😂 you should see me when my cup is full! It's a festival of anxiety! 😂
Yeah, hate to admit it, but I can't hear what he is saying because if it...so I replayed it turned around like a podcast.
Thanks for the feedback. I've stopped holding my coffee cup in future videos. 🤗
I was nervous it would fall 😂
Thanks so much for all this advice! Have you a view on the Macap M2M? And with regards coffee machines, what would you choose between Lelit Mara X or Profitec Pro 400. cheers
I do love Macap and Lelit Mara X with flow control is mint! 👌👌💯
Thoughts on the KitchenAid BCG8433 Burr grinder? Usually 200 now 149 for Amazon Prime day. Any recommendations around that 150 price range? Thanks.
Do you mean the KCG8433? It's got some cool features and I think it's pretty decent for entry level. But also check out the Fellow Opus which is very sleek and stylish and super quiet. Also, I still rate the Breville smart grinder as a good start.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Hmmm thank you for the advice, going to do more research now. 👍
Maate, got any ideas on what a suitable home grinder similar to the E65s GBW would be?
There aren't many GBW grinders for home but the ones I know of and recommend are the Eureka Mignon Libra, they are great little grinders with that feature. There's also baratza sette 270wi but these grinders are far less reliable than the Eureka models. There's a few others like the Coffee Tech gravimetric but I'd personally stick to the Eureka.
Having said that, there are way more grinders if you're happy to manually dose your coffee.
THANK YOU SO MUCHHHH
I’m a small homestead roaster recently found it necessary to be able to roast up to 4 lbs at once
Obviously I can no longer use my tiny spice grinder for this volume and deliver in a timely manner without exhausting myself
I went with the German Engineering thanks again 🎉from TX USA (humid hear too )
Yesss! German engineering is fantastic! 🙌💪 Greetings from Australia! 🙏
Great video mate! Appreciate the sharing of knowledge
Any chance of a video on comparing hand grinders you can find in Australia? Everything from Coffee Culture to Amazon, Catch, Victoria's Basement etc. ?
All I can find ATM are hand grinder videos that are more UK or US specific - not really covering hand grinders you can find in AU
That's a great suggestion! I'll reach out to my wholesalers and see if I can get a range of hand grinders to get my hands (lol) on!
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks for the reply! Legend!
Mazer major is next to ek43 i have bought recently the ek and major is in the same class
Thanks for your thoughts! 🙌 I have to disagree here though, only because I live in Brisbane now which is a subtropical climate and the Mazzers are manufactured for a European drier climate so they constantly gunk up and have huge retention as well as about half way through the morning the grind size is thrown completely out of whack and I end up wasting about 300g trying to fix the shots.
I used to have Roburs and Majors in all my cafes in Sydney but that was back in 2000 and they worked fine there (and we weren't as fussy about our shots back then) but ever since I opened cafes in Brissy, I've stayed well clear of the Mazzers.
Although, I can't say I've had much to do with the latest models and apparently they've improved them but with the San Remos, Compaks, Mythos, and Mahlkonigs and a plethora of other great grinders, I haven't been back to Mazzer. Maybe if they loan me a few to try they can convince me otherwise. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach if you will compare k43 old design you need to mod a lot of that grinder. So to compare old mazzer with new ek43 is not really fair. And if you like that allground so much and you don’t know that is a mazzer older design is a shame
Fair point, although I also have an old Ek43 from early 2000s and still going strong and so I'm comparing like for like there. I don't think I ever said I LOVE the Allground, it's a great grinder but anyway as far as I'm aware it's Fiorenzato not Mazzer. They might be close and swap technologies but I'm not aware of any outright partnership on that grinder.
Your eyes held my attention this entire video, oh, and thanks for the info. I've been in the market for at least half a year in search of the perfect espresso grinder. I'm an international traveler, and I pick up coffees all over the world. Looking forward to trying out one of these you've recommended. Cheers!
Oh thankyou! I have been told my eyes do sparkle sometimes 😂🤗. If you're travelling a lot I would get the Commandante hand grinders. But otherwise the perfect grinder for home is definitely a tough decision! Good luck and thanks for your support! 👌🙌
Thank you for this great video! We just ordered the silenzio. Happy to try it out!
Awesome! 🙌👌 You'll love it! Let me know how you go with it. ☺️
Hi thank you for making such an informative video.
What grinder would you recommend for Areopress dark roast milk braised drinks?
Also your decaf is amazing. Best I’ve tried thus far. Well done.
Thank you.
Hi there! I really love the Commandante hand grinders as Aeropress is great for camping and you can take the hand grinder with you too. But if you exclusively use it for home, you might want to look at a Weber Key (although they are quite an investment - $3kAUD)
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thank you very much for the advice. I ordered a Niche Zero a few days ago after watching this video. I will also look into a Commandante for traveling.
Great video and very helpful for me. Can you please advise if I can get also verygood results with Lelit William PL71 or Fred PL043MMI? The PL72 is a bit expensive for me (drinking 1-2 coffees per day and being an enthusiast 😅)
Thank you! I think all the Lelit are decent grinders so yeh, the Fred would do really well for your needs. You could also look at the Fellow Opus and the new Timemore Sculptor 64s on Kickstarter (although I haven't bench tested them, they seem very reliable). 👌 Definitely no need to go overboard if your budget and consumption is lower.
@@Rydecoffeecoach thank you 💚 I will check all of them. I really appreciate that you made the time to reply to my question 😊
I have a Breville Smart pro and it is a great conical grinder so I would like to add a flat burr. I looked at Niche. But you are 100% correct about the grinder and consistency. I roast my own beans and have had Breville Double boilers for years. Recently added the a Flair 58x and the pressure Bluetooth profilerdevice from Naked Portafilter. Like a poor man’s Decent. But if I get the grind correct it makes a great espresso. Had you had any experience with Option O Lagom 64 or 100 very hard to get. 1600 and 2600 US? Also the scale company Acica Orbit grinder due in September? Your content is great.
Could we have advice regarding the automatic machines , the bean to mug ones that is ????
It is much harder for me to gauge automatic machines as they don't have any level of control. I would look at a Jura or Delonghi.
I have a Niche Zero. It looks terrible in a modern kitchen, crazy static so you need to RDT, that then means you can't use the catch cup. They only thing going for it is some just ok burrs. Had a Weber Key, sent it back.
You really didn't like the Weber key? Why not? I understand the Niche issues and there's better grinders for cheaper now.
Hey Ryd! Thanks for the video, I currently have the Breville Smart Pro and want to do an upgrade; Im thinking either Rancilio Rocky or the Mahlkonig, what do you suggest and what are the main differences between those 2?
The Malhkonig definitely. The rocky is fine but there's a much better Rancilio grinder coming out next year called the Stile which would also be great for you.
Thanks for all your great information! As a starter it helped me a lot exploring great coffee! 😁
Wonderful! Thanks for your feedback and I'm so glad I could inspire you on this journey of coffee. It's the most rewarding rabbit hole you'll ever go down! 😂👌
Hi Ryd, I know you said in the video that you couldn’t recommend the Baratza Sette 270Wi, but I’ve done extensive research, read review after review and quite frankly, I haven’t found a more capable or easier to clean and maintain espresso grinder to replace my Breville smart pro when it finally dies (6 & 1/2 years and still going strong) What attracts me to the Baratza Sette 270Wi is the accuracy of minimal grind retention and pure ease of maintenance; I.e. I reckon that it would be easier to maintain than my current Breville, so because I don’t fancy stuffing around with wrenches and screw drivers merely to clean the burs, is there any other grinder on the market I should be looking at?
Fellow Opus is out now and although I haven't received my 240v version to really test it out, it looks like a killer to both the Breville and the Baratza at that price point.
I'm probably a little harsh on the Sette 270wi because I think they charge a lot for the small benefit of weight, and I've had a few incidents where they've died within 2 years, but such is the risk with appliance models. I guess what I mean is, if you invest a bit more in something like a Eureka mignon or a prosumer/commercial grinder, they should last you forever.
I’m curious how you rate the df64 in the under 1k category. Also loving your videos!
Thanks! I do rate the df64 it's amazing and I'll be adding it to my under $1k grinders this year. 👌
What about the M520A or 610N? Those come in under the price of the Breville but provide better grind consistency and better repairability.
Thanks for the advice! I haven't tried them but if they can do a better job than the Breville for a similar price, then I'm very interested! 👌
Great information!!
Spot on with the quality of the 270....I ve had my for 4 years and its been back for repairs twice. Feels very plasticy. Its also very very loud.
Yeh it's a pity. Baratza just released an upgraded encore that should get fine enough for Espresso. So it will be interesting to see how much it closes the gap between the two models. Also, I've pre-ordered a Fellow Opus and this might blow the sette out of the water if Fellow have managed to keep their superb quality at this price.
Random question, why do cafes never use the ek43 as the main grinder ?
Awesome question 👌 the Mahlkonig ek43 on its own is a Spice grinder so it's not specifically designed for coffee. It just so happens to be really AWESOME at grinding coffee. There are a few mods to them that people do use to set up for cafes and I would have bought one if the E65s didn't come out (also by Mahlkonig). Now I'm torn.
No love for the eurekas?
I definitely love the Eurekas and I'm pretty sure I mentioned the Mignon Silenzio (if not in this video I did in one of my other ones, I might have just forgotten to include it in this one.)
@Rydcoffeecoach I actually think you did and I was just distracted the first time. Thanks!!
Man it is really amazing machine , I have planned to start coffee shop and looking for the machines grinder and coffee maker , I am from Ethiopia Africa , How could I access the machines in the market please, the one you are showing not available here , please brother Appreciated
Hey there! Greetings from Australia! 🙌🙌 I think you might have to look for other brands available in your area (that are still good).
Do you have Astoria, Wega or Bezzera machines available there? These are good. 👌
Ive had my Rancilio rocky for the last 15 years easy simple to use no frills grinder!
I love the coffee cup! Where’s it from?
Oh yeh it's beautiful! Its super expensive but worth it. I got it from Milly Dent.
@@Rydecoffeecoach thank you!
Thank you so much for sharing your time ❤
You're welcome Wendy! 🙏🙏
Is kitchen aid grinder and coffee espresso good ?!
Well, if you're just starting out and your budget only allows it, then maybe but I always fear with these appliances that they won't produce good enough coffee and then people stop using them after a couple of months of struggling, then they collect dust in your storage. If you can, up your budget to get a Breville dual boiler or at least a Breville Barista Pro 👌
Hello I just bought a lelit Anita, Im a newbie in the barista world and I tried everything, but still same outcome, a terrible Espresso. I cant recall the fórum I was reading but they said the built in grinder in the lelit is the problem. They suggest to get a good grinder, the built in one is a burr grinder and is the one Im using right now. What do you think. Should I get the 270? Do you really think I could make my Espresso less terrible or at least discard the grinder variable? Thanks in Advance and my apologies for my broken english.
Thanks for reaching out Carlos! I would try a few things before you invest in a new grinder (although it will definitely be better and you should have a separate grinder for many reasons).
I would make sure your coffee is well roasted and high quality for starters. This makes all the difference. You can usually get a good coffee on any machine if you start with great coffee beans. They should be medium roast, roasted within 14 days ago, and specialty coffee (graded 80+).
After you have sourced great coffee, try to measure the weight in and out (cheap scales that go down to 1g is fine) then you can start to eliminate the issues. If your shot is gushing through in under 20 seconds, you need to fine up the grind. If its taking more than 35 seconds you can coarsen it a bit.
If your grinder is still not getting fine enough you can calibrate them usually.
These are simple fixes that can easily improve the flavour before you need to really worry about a new grinder.
I have lots of videos on my channel that will guide you through getting the right extraction. Enjoy!
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks so much for your advice. I will give it a try. Do you think should I consider buying a bottomless portafiltro? Regards.
What about any of the Option-O grinders?
Yeh I was thinking about including some hand grinders but I thought for espresso most people would want an electric grinder. But for hand grinders, I recommend the Commandante hands down. 👌
You said the Breville has a lot of fines and a wide range of particle sizes but it was tested with instrumentation and it was among the most narrow of any grinder at any price. Certainly more narrow than the Niche.
It's a great grinder for the price that's for sure. I'm totally open to being wrong because I haven't measured the particle sizes with specific instruments. All I've used in my experiments has been a micron filter and there was a wide range that I found. Still, I think it's the best entry level grinder (unless the Fellow Opus lives up to its creed). T
Thanks for sharing! 🙌
What do you think of the DF64?
I haven't actually got my hands on one yet. They do look intriguing as a cheaper alternative to the NZ, but at its price point ($999aud) I'd probably go with the Mahlkonig x54 over it. That being said I haven't used it, so I'd make a judgement call only after using it for a while. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Wow! That's quite a lot more than I thought. Here in Malaysia, you can probably get one at AUD$430... at AUD$999 I would get the Eureka Oro XL...
Oh that's so interesting. I think maybe because it's made by a Chinese company they may have priced it cheaper for Asia and with import taxes etc it might be more expensive in Australia. But at $430aud I would definitely like to get it!
Here in the US, the DL-64 starts at $400USD and up adding bells, whistles and SSP $185USD. Mine works great.
Breville owns Baratza now , lets hope they up their quality control
Fat chance. Breville are Lada and Trabant.
😂
Breville smart pro will be fine. Watches Video. I cannot continue in life without a Niche or EK43s
😂😂 yeh that's what happened to me! No, to be fair the Breville pro is a great little machine and the smart grinder is good. I would always choose a dual boiler over the Pro, but if the budget isn't there I think it's a great alternative.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Got new Dual boiler machine. On hunt for grinder. Eureka single dose, mixed reviews, was looking at Mazzer, feel like Niche would be 'jumping the shark'
What about Caedo?
Yeh Ceado is also very good. I'm actually adding the new Ceado e37 z to my list for next year. 👌
Why is the 1jzpresso grinder not on here?! It's literally the best "cheap" espresso grinder you can get that actually is up to par for espresso.
you're right, it should be in there. I prefer the Commandante but the 1jzpresso is a great grinder too.
@@Rydecoffeecoach No worries!! Just had me concerned I was missing something lol. I guess this video is all electric grinders though.
Great info. Thinking of replacing my Fellow Ode as it’s a hot mess
Are you using it for filter? What's wrong with it?
I have to manually push the beans thru the hopper, especially dark roast beans. Also it just makes a mess with lots of retention
@@outtathyme5679 Ah, if you've been using dark roast in there you could have a build up of oils.
@@Rydecoffeecoach bet that’s it. Are the other grinders in that price range you mentioned less likely to gum up? Btw, my name is Russ and I’m in Washington DC USA
@@outtathyme5679 Hey Russ! I think if you wish to keep drinking dark roast you'll have to allow some time to clean out the burrs and get rid of any built up oils.
It's worth taking the burrs off your Ode and having a look, they are good grinders usually.
Actually the parameters that are the most important:
1) freshness of the coffee
2) grinder
3) the way you use your stuff and measurements.
4) the espresso machine
Yep!
You forgot the most important parameter of all:
How much money you have. If you don’t spend a lot of money you don’t deserve good coffee!!
How can I order ozik bro?
I don't know what happened to their website but they seem to be down.
@@Rydecoffeecoach thank u so much
Have you checked out the DeLonghi coffee grinder for only around $100. People have used them for more than 10 years of apparently trouble-free service.
Or how about the urbanic 80s, made in Korea?
Do you mean the dedica? It's not great. I haven't tried the Urbanic, although they look neat. 👌
what is the difference of a grinder im confused why does this make such a difference i want a cheap one that does the job
I hate that this guy is right 😢 lol I was going to buy a Breville for at home espresso. Haha but I want yummy espresso!
Hold on a sec the Niche Zero in Australia is 2000 Dollars?? Blimey!
Yeh it's ridiculous.
Buy direct and it’s closer to $1000
This is funny because my espresso machine is worth $150 and the Breville Smart is $300
😂 nice!
Grindaa.
Me buying the sage smart grinder Pro thinking wow I just bought a fancy grinder and watching this video be like 😢
😅 the smart grinder Pro is fancy and for entry level grinders it is a great little device. However, it's just the beginning... 🙌
Very interesting why the awfully annoying music ??? I can't go to the end!
sorry, will be refilming it without music in the future
too loud music!!!!!
Yeh Ive fixed that issue on my newer videos but unfortunately this one is the one that's trending. 👌
Werent you supposed to have the ZERO NICHE in this review ?
I actually don't really love this grinder. I feel like it went viral because of one yt video and it was one of the first grinders to focus in on zero retention, but aside from looking beautiful it's not great value for money (here in Australia at least - not sure how expensive they are elsewhere)
Ceado E37 S period end of story.
Ceado make some great grinders too. I'm super interested to get my hands on the HERO, a variable RPM 83mm grinder. 😍🎉 It's probably better suited as a third cafe grinder for sampling spros and pourovers, but I'd still love it in my house.
Holy Moly.... "More matter with less art." The first two minutes are tedious babbling. Tighten up your preamble and you'll have better videos. Wait... make that the first 5 minutes.
I get what you're saying. I guess I just tried to make an all encompassing video for people who haven't ever bought a grinder so I wanted to first explain the importance of having a grinder and the different styles, but I see your point: I should have made that a separate video.