Why I should care about silver per work? Cant understand this ;/ Personally I think most important is market value, traders and faction bases have so little silver that i always had full warehouses of drugs :(
So I chose silver per work as my metric because you want to get as much profit from drugs in as short amount of time or in as short amount of work. Work that is not spent making drugs can be spent elsewhere in your colony. If you have way to many drugs on your hands that you cannot unload, you probably just made to much. In terms of efficiency, we are trying to get the most profit possible (all that traders cash) in as short amount of time, hence where silver/work comes in. I also included silver per kilogram as that is an important metric when considering trading caravans. Hope that clears up my choice, it might not be the perfect one but I believe its the best metric to measure drug profitability!
@@Magnus181 I agree, you need to factor in the work required to plant, grow, harvest, and weight the results by the yield of that crop. You will get a better understanding of labor and turnover rate. Including packaged survival meal production as well because it directly competes for space in your hydroponics basins.
@@infernapocalypse That's a highly situational question. Fertility of the ground, using mechs or colonists, growing skill, implants, buffs, and most importantly hauling distance. It's just simply not part of the question the video is trying to answer.
@@entelin My argument is that the video should cover these things, even though it doesn't. The video is so simple that it's not useful; all be it entertaining.
Drugs are ok, unless your Pawns are addicted or overdosed on them. In RL its different story, drugs that arent prescribed by doctor are illegal, which is why this funny meme exists "Its not drugs its medicine" When you get pulled over. So ye Drugs are bad in RL.
@@KL53986 I take alot of drugs RL, most notably lean and cocaine and I'm doing fine. Drugs are good both in-game and real life as they help keep me awake and focused on my work
@@badxradxandy there is no safe dose interval with yayo and flake. Tea can be safely taken every 2 days but overconsumption can still lead to addiction
Mad to see such a game created a deep economic system and we are seriously discussing market plans. Last time I made a drug colony, my pawns broke the golden rule anyways: they binged on the product with all the bad events chains. Thanks a bunch Randy. And thank you for confirming Flake is the profitmaker. I am still a Yayoboy though.
Yayo makes sense if you're going to produce so much psychite leaf that you need to run caravans to sell all your product. As long as you can realistically sell all your product to visiting traders (either ships or on foot), then you might as well be efficient and make flake.
Orbital trading definitely eases if not eliminates the neutroamine bottleneck. In practice my wealthiest colonies have always been the ones that got into go-juice production
Never tried go juice production for wealth before so im not sure on the details but wouldnt wake up be a better alternative for neutroamine based drugs as the silver/kilo is way higher? The silver/work rate is higher in go juice but im not sure if it takes into account of the workload required to make yayo before being able to produce go juice with said yayo
@@yesno8273 yayo is 350 ticks to make and go juice is 600 making the total 950 ticks of work for each yield at 53 silver worth of product. wake up is 900 ticks and you get 35 silver worth of product. wake up just weighs way less than all other drugs
Tea is good for leveling up cooks though. Meaning less food poisoning, less time spent cooking and therefore, more effective working pawns. If it adds up to more profit is hard to calculate though... Nice vid
My problem with doing drug empires is always the same. Traders NEVER have enough money to buy my stock. This includes going to settlements. THen it inflates my wealth and brings harder raids.
@@alexanderlipowsky6055well that’s just losing out on potential profit! Give the excess to your slaves for a (mostly) risk-free way to increase production!
I heard the best thing to do with Luciferium early game is to get prisoners addicted and release them they will eventually show back up in a raid with extra luciferium on them rinse and repeat.
My personal experience is that just getting a small patch of rich soil, keeping only 1-5 colonists, and making survival meals is the most straightforward, flexible and simple way to go.
not only does he give us individual videos but then knowing our rim infested minds couldn't process this further gave us something only a god would.... TABLES
I like yayo over flake, since any drugs in your colony will be used by pawns. And then doing yayo a few times isn’t too risky and it buffs there productivity, while flake just destroys everything.
Beer has advantages because every trader except it as payment, your colonists can savely drink it every day to gain relexacrion and happyness and you can even use it to kill dangerous animals without touching them. Only problem is that you can not have huskys at the same time - they are worse alcololics then every Russian.
@@Just_Another_Gravemind I think I responded to the wrong comment hahaha EDIT: On that note, on what scale would you want to see how it plays against them? Market price or availability?
@@OneHunchMan Honestly I hadn't fully thought about that, I just wanted to see how it might play. So ig in both aspects. I wanted to see how it would do compared to the others in all areas of your table. Also thanks that explains a lot I was pretty confused by that last one
Another big thanks this was the first video I've watched in a while if I'm honest and it was extremely helpful as well as for how active you seem to be with commentors. It's very refreshing and appreciated
I know you've made individual videos on them, but it would be nice to have a concise video kinda like this one where you show drugs and their uses for consumption. I started a high life colony and looking to expand into other drugs than Psychite and Smokeleaf, so if you could make a video like this one but you instead maybe have columns saying like: % Chance of dependency per hit Days 'till drug induced afflication happens (like ashtma for smoking weed) Mood buff provided Etc etc You don't have to, but much like all your drugs videos where you summed up everything into this one, it might be nice to add all their pros and cons into a single video to know which one is better for consumption. This was just a random idea, I really enjoyed this video, keep up the good work!
Oh man that would be a lot of columns. The main problem with that approach for usage is every drug has a myriad of effects and lots of substances would have little to compare against each other. I could choose the characteristics like mood that are common alterations but I feel that would leave out an important part of the picture. I get where you are coming from though. Maybe I could whip up an excel document or something along those lines. Thanks for the input!
@@OneHunchMan Yeah I realize now how all these drugs kinda play different roles and aren't necessarely strictly used for recreation / chemical need. If you feel it is too much, don't worry about it, I can just watch all your videos again and take notes. Thanks for the reply too!
I know you make more money with Flake but early on I make Yayo since it can be sold and used as a combat drug. Plus I usually plant too big of fields. Later on its better prob to switch to dedicated selling and combat drugs. It also depends on if you have a good trade partner or not. Because of you don't, most of your psychite should be used for tea emergencies. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but don't tea, yayo and Flake all make you addicted to the same thing? (Psychite) Can't you use one or the other to help with your addiction?
Yayo can certainly be a combat aid but at that point, you may as well go the Go-juice path. Similar negatives with much better positives. You can feed a Psychite addiction with any Psychite product to my knowledge
@@OneHunchMan I agree. You should definitely change over when you can. But for emergencies where there is no go juice yet or you haven't started yet, going Scarface on some raiders is effective and fun.
Your math is way off for beer. 25 hops (worth 32.5 silver) makes 5 wort, 5 wort makes 5 beers (worth 60 silver) and it only takes 17 work. So that should be 1.61 work per silver. Unless I'm missing something
@@OneHunchMan I agree beer takes infrastructure, but barely any hauling imo since it condenses 5x as its produced and you can have the barrels right next to the brewery. I actually think the main reason not to make it for money is how much space the bottles take up and how heavy they are. But it's my main mood regulator so it makes sense for me to overproduce and sell the excess. I know you shit on beer in your drug series but it's the only drug with a stacking mood buff and the only drug you can do everyday safely. And very low labor once you get your brewery set up.
@@HyperionCSS I wouldn't say I shit on it, I ranked it above smokeleaf for mood boosts. I just find it has some serious downsides for profit and usage. I love every substance in rimworld for gameplay and a beer using colony is really fun to watch. My last playthrough was chronic smokeleaf users and we all know how awful smokeleaf can be. How you are treating it is the right way to sell it, make for usage and sell excess. I completely agree with the point of safely taking every day, it is nice to have a consistent mood booster even at higher risk of social fighting. I never want to dissuade certain playstyles as that is the best part in rimworld, these lists are just looking at optimization and of course are subjective to my interpretation of the data. I'm sure you could ask 10 players and get 10 slightly different lists
I don't agree that smokeleaf is across the board better than psychite tea in the early game. The thing with smokeleaf is that it reduces consciousness, reducing the output of any pawn you put on it. Whereas with tea, you can give it to them for the mood boost and it won't result in any reduction to their output.
Beer is great for profit and also for leveling up cooks, I've literally got 3 drop pods full of beer just waiting to send to factions for rep or to sell Aso it's neutroamine not neutroeymine
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Why I should care about silver per work? Cant understand this ;/ Personally I think most important is market value, traders and faction bases have so little silver that i always had full warehouses of drugs :(
So I chose silver per work as my metric because you want to get as much profit from drugs in as short amount of time or in as short amount of work. Work that is not spent making drugs can be spent elsewhere in your colony. If you have way to many drugs on your hands that you cannot unload, you probably just made to much. In terms of efficiency, we are trying to get the most profit possible (all that traders cash) in as short amount of time, hence where silver/work comes in. I also included silver per kilogram as that is an important metric when considering trading caravans. Hope that clears up my choice, it might not be the perfect one but I believe its the best metric to measure drug profitability!
@@OneHunchMan did you consider the work and time involved with growing smokeleaf and psycoid?
@@Magnus181 I agree, you need to factor in the work required to plant, grow, harvest, and weight the results by the yield of that crop. You will get a better understanding of labor and turnover rate. Including packaged survival meal production as well because it directly competes for space in your hydroponics basins.
@@infernapocalypse That's a highly situational question. Fertility of the ground, using mechs or colonists, growing skill, implants, buffs, and most importantly hauling distance. It's just simply not part of the question the video is trying to answer.
@@entelin My argument is that the video should cover these things, even though it doesn't. The video is so simple that it's not useful; all be it entertaining.
You can see the effort in this video. Thumbs up to you
Won't lie, this took me so god dam long lmao
loved the drug series, it helped to educate me on how role play the british selling opium to tribals.
Drugs are ok, unless your Pawns are addicted or overdosed on them.
In RL its different story, drugs that arent prescribed by doctor are illegal, which is why this funny meme exists "Its not drugs its medicine" When you get pulled over.
So ye Drugs are bad in RL.
@@KL53986 I take alot of drugs RL, most notably lean and cocaine and I'm doing fine. Drugs are good both in-game and real life as they help keep me awake and focused on my work
Sell Flake, Drink Tea, Easy
Yayo is better I thought. I think it's safer to take?
it is not. There is always an addiction chance when using yoyo and flake unlike the tea.
@@badxradxandy there is no safe dose interval with yayo and flake. Tea can be safely taken every 2 days but overconsumption can still lead to addiction
sell flake, smoke the leaf.
@@samljer If you want your pawns less effective at every work ever
Mad to see such a game created a deep economic system and we are seriously discussing market plans. Last time I made a drug colony, my pawns broke the golden rule anyways: they binged on the product with all the bad events chains.
Thanks a bunch Randy. And thank you for confirming Flake is the profitmaker. I am still a Yayoboy though.
This is exactly why Randy is my favorite. Sometimes he just decides you now have a colony full of drug addicts
Yayo makes sense if you're going to produce so much psychite leaf that you need to run caravans to sell all your product.
As long as you can realistically sell all your product to visiting traders (either ships or on foot), then you might as well be efficient and make flake.
If it comes to the worst you can build a seperate bedroom with a research table and a freezer, then seal away that pawn there for a jear to recover.
That's part of the fun lol
@@molybdaen11 or take their legs and give them bionics after they recover from their addiction
These bite-sized videos are so helpful, I love them.
Thanks Jesus!
Orbital trading definitely eases if not eliminates the neutroamine bottleneck. In practice my wealthiest colonies have always been the ones that got into go-juice production
100%, Orbital trading also helps with the component bottleneck pre fabrication
Never tried go juice production for wealth before so im not sure on the details but wouldnt wake up be a better alternative for neutroamine based drugs as the silver/kilo is way higher? The silver/work rate is higher in go juice but im not sure if it takes into account of the workload required to make yayo before being able to produce go juice with said yayo
@@yesno8273 yayo is 350 ticks to make and go juice is 600 making the total 950 ticks of work for each yield at 53 silver worth of product.
wake up is 900 ticks and you get 35 silver worth of product. wake up just weighs way less than all other drugs
Tea is good for leveling up cooks though. Meaning less food poisoning, less time spent cooking and therefore, more effective working pawns. If it adds up to more profit is hard to calculate though... Nice vid
My problem with doing drug empires is always the same.
Traders NEVER have enough money to buy my stock.
This includes going to settlements.
THen it inflates my wealth and brings harder raids.
burn it if you dont need it? scale down production a little?
@@alexanderlipowsky6055well that’s just losing out on potential profit!
Give the excess to your slaves for a (mostly) risk-free way to increase production!
I heard the best thing to do with Luciferium early game is to get prisoners addicted and release them they will eventually show back up in a raid with extra luciferium on them rinse and repeat.
My personal experience is that just getting a small patch of rich soil, keeping only 1-5 colonists, and making survival meals is the most straightforward, flexible and simple way to go.
not only does he give us individual videos but then knowing our rim infested minds couldn't process this further gave us something only a god would.... TABLES
I like yayo over flake, since any drugs in your colony will be used by pawns. And then doing yayo a few times isn’t too risky and it buffs there productivity, while flake just destroys everything.
Beer has advantages because every trader except it as payment, your colonists can savely drink it every day to gain relexacrion and happyness and you can even use it to kill dangerous animals without touching them.
Only problem is that you can not have huskys at the same time - they are worse alcololics then every Russian.
Good points, agree with Huskies being degenerates, raccoons are more much sophisticated drinkers
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I play with a dynamic economy mod, so i gotta diverisfy my drug empire
Ambrosía IS consistent if you play with Randy tho
how many smokeleaf joints must u be on in order to consider this a decent guide
keep it up, great stuff
Top shelf drugs my man
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I never made flake.. only beer.. lots and lots of beer.... I couldnt sell it all, but I could get drunk all day.
100% Worth
Does your silver/work account for plants work or just crafting work?
Thanks for the video
My colony exclusively makes yayo instead of flake, because we have class.
Yayo is good if your producing too much and need to send caravans out because its so light.
Just a note but I'd like to see how penoxycyline would play against them
Fair enough, thanks for sharing your ranking! Slightly different but seems we overall agree on most placements
@@OneHunchMan uhmmm, I didn't share a ranking though...thanks?
@@Just_Another_Gravemind I think I responded to the wrong comment hahaha
EDIT: On that note, on what scale would you want to see how it plays against them? Market price or availability?
@@OneHunchMan Honestly I hadn't fully thought about that, I just wanted to see how it might play. So ig in both aspects. I wanted to see how it would do compared to the others in all areas of your table. Also thanks that explains a lot I was pretty confused by that last one
Another big thanks this was the first video I've watched in a while if I'm honest and it was extremely helpful as well as for how active you seem to be with commentors. It's very refreshing and appreciated
I know you've made individual videos on them, but it would be nice to have a concise video kinda like this one where you show drugs and their uses for consumption. I started a high life colony and looking to expand into other drugs than Psychite and Smokeleaf, so if you could make a video like this one but you instead maybe have columns saying like:
% Chance of dependency per hit
Days 'till drug induced afflication happens (like ashtma for smoking weed)
Mood buff provided
Etc etc
You don't have to, but much like all your drugs videos where you summed up everything into this one, it might be nice to add all their pros and cons into a single video to know which one is better for consumption.
This was just a random idea, I really enjoyed this video, keep up the good work!
Oh man that would be a lot of columns. The main problem with that approach for usage is every drug has a myriad of effects and lots of substances would have little to compare against each other. I could choose the characteristics like mood that are common alterations but I feel that would leave out an important part of the picture. I get where you are coming from though. Maybe I could whip up an excel document or something along those lines. Thanks for the input!
@@OneHunchMan Yeah I realize now how all these drugs kinda play different roles and aren't necessarely strictly used for recreation / chemical need. If you feel it is too much, don't worry about it, I can just watch all your videos again and take notes. Thanks for the reply too!
@@tatsunithelennyking2540 If I ever make something along those lines, I'll be sure to tag you Lenny!
I know you make more money with Flake but early on I make Yayo since it can be sold and used as a combat drug. Plus I usually plant too big of fields.
Later on its better prob to switch to dedicated selling and combat drugs. It also depends on if you have a good trade partner or not. Because of you don't, most of your psychite should be used for tea emergencies.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but don't tea, yayo and Flake all make you addicted to the same thing? (Psychite) Can't you use one or the other to help with your addiction?
Yayo can certainly be a combat aid but at that point, you may as well go the Go-juice path. Similar negatives with much better positives. You can feed a Psychite addiction with any Psychite product to my knowledge
@@OneHunchMan I agree. You should definitely change over when you can. But for emergencies where there is no go juice yet or you haven't started yet, going Scarface on some raiders is effective and fun.
@@Kaiser282 Solid point, good for early game emergencies
Your math is way off for beer. 25 hops (worth 32.5 silver) makes 5 wort, 5 wort makes 5 beers (worth 60 silver) and it only takes 17 work. So that should be 1.61 work per silver. Unless I'm missing something
I foresaw this comment coming when I posted the video, check the description for my reasoning and explanation
@@OneHunchMan I agree beer takes infrastructure, but barely any hauling imo since it condenses 5x as its produced and you can have the barrels right next to the brewery. I actually think the main reason not to make it for money is how much space the bottles take up and how heavy they are. But it's my main mood regulator so it makes sense for me to overproduce and sell the excess. I know you shit on beer in your drug series but it's the only drug with a stacking mood buff and the only drug you can do everyday safely. And very low labor once you get your brewery set up.
@@HyperionCSS I wouldn't say I shit on it, I ranked it above smokeleaf for mood boosts. I just find it has some serious downsides for profit and usage. I love every substance in rimworld for gameplay and a beer using colony is really fun to watch. My last playthrough was chronic smokeleaf users and we all know how awful smokeleaf can be. How you are treating it is the right way to sell it, make for usage and sell excess. I completely agree with the point of safely taking every day, it is nice to have a consistent mood booster even at higher risk of social fighting. I never want to dissuade certain playstyles as that is the best part in rimworld, these lists are just looking at optimization and of course are subjective to my interpretation of the data. I'm sure you could ask 10 players and get 10 slightly different lists
I don't agree that smokeleaf is across the board better than psychite tea in the early game. The thing with smokeleaf is that it reduces consciousness, reducing the output of any pawn you put on it. Whereas with tea, you can give it to them for the mood boost and it won't result in any reduction to their output.
Hey Dale, I completely agree but this guide is purely talking about profit, not usage. :p
It doesn't require any research though, and rolling joints gives tiny bits if crafting xp
You are not supposed to take the drugs yourself :)
Beer is great for profit and also for leveling up cooks, I've literally got 3 drop pods full of beer just waiting to send to factions for rep or to sell
Aso it's neutroamine not neutroeymine
Who is to say how neutroamine is pronounced? Haha it's a made-up chemical in a game with no voiced dialog
Bro - you need to calculate the neutramine costs with everything. I respect the effort but your money calcs are way off.
Just grow devilstrand and farm wooly animals for ez profit
Or just farm corn.
between smokeleaf and phycoid leaf you clearly didnt take crop time into account.
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Say it with me: new-tro-uh-meen. Neutroamine.