@@DefinitelyNotAnAddict, you ever tried stock HEAT-FS that pens just a BIT more than 105mm HEAT-FS, when you have a 120mm gun, fighting at top of line stuff, all things IMMUNE TO ANYTHING CE BUT HELICOPTER ATGMs? Night maps becomes mostly playing with caution or simply take cheap ass crap to die fast and quit match early, fighting with a USELESS STOCK ROUND is basically 100% fucked up
@@DefinitelyNotAnAddict Germany too has only 4 vehicles with thermals, same as the Russians, Germans only have Begleitpanzer, Leo L/44, 2A4 and 2A5 with thermals, meanwhile Russians only have T-80B, T-80U, BMP-3 and Tunguska.
The HOT doesn't shoot randomly. It's due the launcher that needs to swing into the direction you wanna aim after reloading. Otherwise it will shoot straight ahead, thus throwing off you aim.
Additionally, the launcher has very poor horizontal traverse side to side while the periscope, the same as on the SS.11, has better traverse than the launcher. You may have your crosshairs on a tank, but the launcher may be aligned slightly off from it. In the SS.11, it gets small circles showing where either launcher is aiming but the HOT doesn't, which is probably where Oxy's misconception comes from.
Definitely. Should be 8.3ish imo. Not exclusive to just the HOT, just about every ATGM carrier is still overtiered. M901, Starship/Sheridan, IT-1, Shturm, both Raks, Swingfire, Striker, Type 60, M113A1 TOWs, AMX-13 HOT etc.
This is (mostly) the problem, however; bad ping, packet loss, and bad server connection affect the missile as well. If you align it there is still a chance of a 'misfire'. Not aligning it gives it the usual and expected swing, but also has the chance to add to the unpredictable and unusual vertical spread as well as the horizontal.
I can't believe how much effort you put in these amazing videos, your work is very highly appreciated oxy. What are your thoughts on the new crafting and April fools events/vehicles? Stay healthy and happy! Also, no-scoping a t72 WITHOUT looking in that direction! That's just showing off...
Is there a reason that Gaijin has a "climbing the ranks with X tanks" instead of just linking to your series? Seems a bit silly to me and not really appreciative of your work. Regardless, keep up the great work! Teaching me a lot of things even though I've been playing since 2013. Stay safe during these times and thanks for the 109 G cards! I have yet to hang them up, but I am looking forward to it c:
I think its mostly a professionalism thing, as a big company they would look rather unprofessional linking to a youtuber even though oxy's work is far superior to thiers.
@@pioneer_1148 They did reach out to him between when I posted the original comment and now, so maybe something is in store for us... c; Stay safe! Link: th-cam.com/video/tJX72Q4NcWQ/w-d-xo.html&t=
Also, Oxy acutally goes around compairing tanks to one another, as well as their BRs and repair costs, which may mean that he will paint nations or premiums as not worht the effort or price, while gaijin reall want people to get in the deep end and throw as much money as possible
@@kaikenDagger Back in 2015, poor me had to grind HEATFS for Leopard I and Jpz 4-5 without premium account (tier 4 modification for both), against the back then god-like T-10M... APDS now is stupidly good compared to the useless garbage it used to be.
You keep missing on one important factor with these tanks and their playability, repair costs. It determines how repayable the tank can be and the style you will be forced to play to make a thin profit . It has poisoned the game since Kpz-70 and t64 came out.
so i know its pretty cheap overall, but for 6.3 the t-26e1-1 is hella expensive if we compare it to the tiger 2 p, (which i also have so dont call me a freeaboo) the t-26e-1 is: 24,00 more rp (95k for for pershing, 71k for king tiger) 50,000 more sl to buy (260k for pershing, 210 for king tiger) 3,437 more sl to repair (9537 for pershing, 6100 for king tiger) and 14,000 more to crew (75,000 for pershing, 61,000 for king tiger) additionally, the king tiger is much easier to use for many, and gets smoke, and is paired with a better m41 than the americans get, and the german long 88 tds. oh and the wunderwaffe CAS. If anybody wants to tell me Germany suffers, just comment and i'll provide you with (what should be) obvious info as to why you're wrong!
@@thf773 yea i'd say russia suffers in the mid tiers Bullying T-34 and KVs are so easy that the only time i would worry about them is when they have my sides. Being shot at the front plate means death Any tank in russia below rank 5 except KV-2, IS-2, T-44-100/122, T-34-100 cant do shit against germany (and america in AB). I believe the cause of this is russian tanks prioritize anti Pz.3/4s rather than anti Panther or anti Tiger 2 as the former are the most produced tanks in germany at the time and panther/tiger transmission broke so often that they could catch them off guard. The previously mentioned vehicles and SPGs preform well in anti tank tho. Mostly because of the huge caliber they strapped into their tanks. This is however not the case with Rank 5-6. T-54/55/62s will always bully the crap of Leopards. Especially with those pesky APHE and gun ATGM :/ America has, arguably the best medium in Rank 2-4. Trust me, unless im using a tiger 2, facing a sherman is annoying. The weakspot is on the MG port but that isnt really consistent. Simetimes it pens and kills, most of the time i am the one getting penned.
@@thf773 That's true that the t26 has a much higher repair cost but it also has smaller weakspots unlike the tiger 2 p where basically half it's turret is a weak spot. As for the getting paired with a superior m41 you are rigt but you completely disregarded one thing. Teams. Germany is paired with Italy and/or Japan and sometimes Sweden. In all those cases it's basically just German tanks because especially at 6.3 you barely see any tanks on the axis team that aren't German. Those have to constantly fight against the Russian, Americans, British, French ect. Even at 6.3 Germany has only 2 tanks that are fast (3 if you country the jagdpanther but it's not relying on it's mobility since it's turn rate and reverse are atrocious. At this same br you verse not only the brits with their stabilisers and sabot rounds but also the Americans and soviets who other than major nations have either pretty solid line ups or good cas. Germany is relying only on armor and at 6.3 it starts taking some different steps. Armor isn't any good though at such high a br
Shocked you might be doing Soviets after the Addendum for Germany, considering that's 2 massive trees in a row. I'd honestly take a step back after that and either take a break or consider doing a smaller tree like France or China before pushing on to the final big one, USA. (Please French tree, 6.7 atm, it needs more attention after the SL breaking costs it keeps getting)
I'd really want to see the french tree review, It has a lot of unique vehicles and different playstyles. And yeah, french vehicles are very overpriced in relation with repairing costs.
France is no where near complete enough for a review... They only have a single viable top br tank. He should really do America next, because its effectively complete. Russian tree still needs to add stuff that's on par with the m1a2, leo2a5, leclerc, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if we see T-90 at a point. At the very least a modernization package for a tank(e.g. T-64BM, T-80UM). France has more to add. So does Japan. China or USA would be the best option for doing a review that doesn't have to added to a few months later(like britain now needs).
@@monarchco He did Britiain which suffice to say isn't complete at top tier as well. Only 9.7 has some good tanks and useful for a line up but a single Challenger 2 and those 9.7s minus the Vicker mk 7 are not good enough for top tier. Still does a series on them
@@Legion617 I don't think you read what I said. I didn't say he needed to do Britain, I said he needed to expand on it. Do an update to it, because so much has been added since he did Britain. And the reason I say he should do China or the US, is because the entire reason he picked Germany is because he wanted to do something that was effectively complete, and he would NOT have to revisit later. That's why I think he should do US or China next, NOT Russia, France, or Japan.
@@monarchco I said he DID a British series on their ground vehicles. Which, like i said, akin to France, has ONE good vehicle at top tier, Challenger 2. France only has Leclerc.
HOT does that silly thing with the missile because you fire exactly when you reload, your tube needs to swing to the target and thus the missile flys out the tube which is not pointing where you are telling it to, yet. This is really felt on Sturm-S (poor thing). M48A2 G A2 meaningful change, new better transmission and engine, gives it better reverse and mobility increase. I would say A1A1 for long range and M48 G for city fights because armor sometimes can save you. 2A4/2A5 low ammo count? Cconsidering the blow put is only 15 shells that is low for long games or spaming shells around. One shot in lower ammo rack is also a bad thing, so if you want more ammo you musn't get shot in that ammo rack. One base SAM can get overwhelmed by 2-3 top choppers, I would say it is good to have the ability to spawn it (specially if you dont have any aircraft!)
Well the high modification RP cost for the end of the line tank thing with the TAM also applies to the Rad and the KPz so it applies to all of them, though yes the stock grind is the worst of the three
@@ridge9066 Try playing against Russian USA and Germany and then tell me about good players. Germany has a lot of new players who rush to get some good tanks but due to their inexperience end up performing poorly. One thing other than this however is Germany against the world. Quite literally Britain has stabilisers and sabot at much lower br's than other countries (including Germany) and is always paired with Russia USA France and the like. I'm not talking about all tiers here obviously since on some tiers they fight against the Russians with the Germans and then they get annihilated
Well yeah. Anyone who has played till ~tier 5/6 in each nation would know that Germany does not really suffer (and in a lot of cases, it's quite the opposite of suffering).
Germany never really suffered when it comes to the vehicles themselves. Almost every vehicle in the game will struggle in a full up tier, not just german vehicles. Every heavily armored vehicle in the game will experience that their armor are useless against heat-fs and darts. For example a tiger 2 H is just as hard to penetrate from the front for a 5.7 american vehicle as it's hard for a german 5.7 to pen the front of a T34 heavy tank. Also germany have been winning a lot more recently at the br's where it was said to "suffer" before. And at high tiers Germany are one of the best nations.
I really like the statement he made about the Leo and the lack of stabs .... US mains will cry all day about th germans having better guns, but the dont realize what an incredible advantage having a stab is (and they have it starting at reserve .... so they should stfu)
DunaMoose If you kill a vehicle 5 BRs higher than you, you get an achievement called godmode. This gives you 30k silverlions, so especially with a huge booster activated, many players (including me) try their luck with lowtier highspeed/highpen vehicles like the Zis-30 or the Pakwagen.
Hey I know this is from a year ago but the 2k did have thermals, turret 11 is the one that had a thermal pariscope, there were a ton of turrets that went with the 2 k, some with and without the auto cannon , but turret 11 had both thermals and the cannon
The buff for the kpz was basically bringing it back to DEV SERVER STATS on the autoloader.... For real, the 6 seconds should have come since the first Abrams came, yet took them 10-20 new MBTs being added for the now trash tier Kpz/MBT to get something (albeit only the kpz, probably because US still has enough CASbuse to back these trashy tanks)
Yeah they nerfed the reload to 10 seconds back when it was top tier. I guess they realized that it is no longer OP with a 6 second reload and gave it back it's fast reload. Leo 2K still needs to be either lowered to 9.3 or get a better APFSDS shell tho. They should atleast give it DM23 if it is going to stay at 9.7
@@daphydrake7899 they nerfed to 10 secs it as most MBT/KPz-70s used american autoloader/assisted loader. But German KPz-70 had their own autoloader made by Rheinmetall that reloads 6 secs and a little more compact than american one. KPz should've 6 secs all along these years and not be brought down by inferior american counterpart
@@9595Christopher well both was at 6 seconds at the start and then gaijin "dug up some new documents" and suddenly both was at 10 seconds. Still i wouldn't really go by what reload speeds gaijin gives tanks in war thunder. There are both tanks with autoloaders and manually loaded that are a lot faster or slower to reload irl. For example a 120mm smoothbore can be reloaded in 3-4 seconds irl and the B1 bis having a 4 second reload while the commander also serves as gunner and loader at the same time as commanding the tank? Don't think so. . So I'm not fully convinced that gaijin really goes for the realistic reload speeds and more uses reload speed as a balancing factor then anything.
Oxy you might not know this.. but I really think you're a great person. I use these videos to listen to almost everynight since they're chock full of information and a good voice, they really calm me down. Hope you're well and that you'll create more. Much love from The Netherlands.
on the Begleitpanzer 57.... you forgot to mention the absolutely atrocious recoil of the gun. even at ~100m you rarely get the second hit to land in a tanks side, cause the gun jumps around far too much
So you’re telling me Germany needed a buff on its KPZ 70 yet the MBT 70 still retains its garbage 10 second reload...Germany is real special case these days of WT
Oh and they got that M48 at 7.0 while the american one is 7.3... And now apparently they think that the M4A3 76 w is better then a tiger 1 and on the same level as a panther since it is now at 5.7. And moving the T29 to 7.0. Usa is winning too much i guess.. lol
Radio_Demon if win rates was the problem then why wasn’t the M48a1 in the Chinese tech tree given the same treatment. Face it German players are trash who can’t win if they aren’t in impenetrable bunkers fighting against lightly armored Sherman’s and t-34s.
I agree with your Leopard A1A1's analysis, but I think that since it's basically stuck in the middle of the tier list and the fact that you should grind all the way up to the top, eventually meeting Leo A5 (which is the most ultimate vehicle in German tech tree for BR 10.3 now), this is more like "MUST GET" rather than "I'd get". Though I strongly agree with your opinion and support your channel!!
3:00 You know, it was also historical that Panthers and Tigers would suffer transmission failures or randomly catch fire, but they didn't model THAT into the game, now, did they? And don't even get me STARTED on the mechanical failings of the T-34. Modeling this sort of thing into the game seems like more of a specific vehicular nerf by design than anything else. We play these vehicles as if they were at the peak of their performance, and this should be no different for the HOT missiles.
Hold on, Kpz-70 got a buff to its autoloader, while MBT-70 doesn't. How? They're the same tank. MBT-70 was a joint development program between Germany and US and Kpz-70 is just the German designation.
As far as I know, they had different autoloaders, the german one being faster. When the MBT/KPz came into the game, they both had 6s reloads, then they nerfed both to 10s and now buffed the KPz to 6s again. I'm wondering how they mean to balance it, maybe move the KPz to 9.3 or leave it be. The latter is more Gaijin-like.
I've seen your video on T20, you said it was great. Can you review it again, after moving to 5.7 br? Sorry for irrelevant to the content of video comment) Also some beginner videos on War Thunder would be appreciated) I'm a newbie and can't get my head around this game.
Because all tanks at that BR have either: Space amour, composite amour, ERA package, or all of them combined. Even just one of these types of amour can completely block any Chemical energy round (aka HEAT, HE, HESH,...) from penetrating the tanks. But Kinetic energy round (aka all kinds of AP, dart, Sabot round,..) any penetrate it without much problem. That's the main reason why nobody uses HEAT-FS at top-tier.
I love the KPz-70 but the problem I still have with it is the fact that gaijin treats it as a top top top tier tank that requires tons of xp to get modifications for, it takes upwards of 30k xp for a tier 2 upgrade which is just painful, but besides that the tank is pretty good!
3:22 You just described wot where everything is random, accuracy, damage and pen, you can be the best player in the world but if RNG is not on your side you can get killed by a much luckier absolute potato of a player
AFAIK SAMs now have a MINIMUM ALTITUDE for the fuse to detonate, so using the roland 3 as a pseudo Shturm ATGM carrier Thermobaric HEGM against tanks with vulnerable roofs
One con for Leo 2A5 is reload time from secondary ammo. It is KV-2 levels of bad. You rarely face this but if you need to absolutely carry your team...
"it punishes the player when they haven really done a mistake... It wouldn't be fair that you experience of a vehicle could be ruined by something entirely out of your control". Are you speaking of planes and bombs ? Random dying has been implemented in WT since the begining.
@3:20 - The reason for it is because when loading the missile has finished, you need to wait 1sec for it to turn where you are aiming if your hull is not 100% aligned with your aiming position, so when it reloads, like in that specific time frame when you shot right when loaded, basically ASAP shot, it didn't shot where you aimed because it just got loaded and was in its default position. You can understand it when you will look at the animation in 3rd person view, then you will understand why. @23:00 - Actually, I had quite enough times being shot at, that I can say that enemy can overpenetrate you or not do anything at all. Enemy has hit my ass...no damage, or just fuel loss. Turret compartment has no ammo, so anything will overpenetrate the back as well as few other locations from sides. The argument you used for KPz survivability fits for Leo 2K much better, since I am getting less luckier with KPz than with Leo 2K. @34:30 - PROS - Everything. Cons - Nothing. :D Just imagine when A6 gets in the game...and then A7... :D brah, I guess 10.3+ Germany will always be at the top of the game, because A6 is on par if not better than its contestants, and A7 just outperforms the rest of the modern MBT's, including Abrams and Challenger. It's just sad that there are places in the tech tree where Germany does suck ass and has almost nothing that gives a challenge to the enemy vehicles of same BR.
So will anyone explainign these vehicles also explain to new player that if they want to played them..... YOU HAVE TO PLAY AT LEAS A YEAR.... and only as one country not multiple or YOU CAN JUST THROW THOUSANDS of any currecny you use and maybe you will be able to play them in a HALF A YAER playing the game.. and that HIIIIIGH MAYBE..... Have fun
The Leo A1A1 L44 is available with the Summer Sale, including the BO 105 CB-2 for 50€ (basically two packs, giving 2K GE and 15 days premium each - i think) As I am grinding the German Ranks being somewhere @ 3.7 - do You porfessionals/experienced players think it's worth the 50€?
Man German tree really is the easiest one it seems, and Leo 2A5 is basically braindead easy, especially with fewer helicopters around now. These vids are great Oxy, can't wait to see what's next.
I as a general rule stay away from prem tanks, but after getting to 8.7 Leo A1A1 I decided to get the Leo A1A1/L44 ( when it was 8.7 still ) and dam!!!! I love the Leo, I have most kills in it and also most SL earned. Its not uncommon when using the 120mm L44 to finish up with 5-8 kills per match as it works so dam well
Well, as it turns out, the Rad 90 got crapped on. Instead of raising the BR or something, the next BR vehicle is the 2C and the current 9.0, the Rad, costs some 9-10k stock....so it became basically useless if you don't have a premium account and/or premium tank...
Congrats! Oxy. Gajin is based in Karlsruhe, Germany. If you like Wine you will love your new life :))) France and Switzerland less than 2h away. Have fun and enjoy!
The gepard is the worst SPAA -Only 40 rounds of apds -Only 650 he ammo Other spaas has : Minigun with insane fire rate 40 mm cannons with proximity fuze 4x23 mm cannons with a lot of ammo And they can deal with tanks
Legend has it Oxy is still cleaning up peas to this day
They were everywhere after all
@@Legion617 Oxy's videos. Come for tank reviews, stay to clean up for the spilled peas
Time-Schtamps
0:39 - RakJPz (HOT)
5:25 - Radpkampwagen 90
8:27 - M48A2 G A2
12:44 - KPz-70
17:01 - Leopard A1A1
20:25 - Leopard 2K
24:18 - Leopard 2A4
27:53 - Leopard 2A5
35:06 - Gepard
37:24 - FlaRakPz 1
39:32 - Begleitpanzer 57
43:10 - TAM
46:45 - VT1-2
48:03 - Leopard A1A1 (L/44)
50:23 - CAS Recommendations
53:29 - Lineups
Holy scheiße. That's quick
Holy 20 min ago
How did you do that??
How the fuck
Took the quick route to the video through the Ardennes.
@@foo-foocuddlypoops5694 Ah yes a man of culture
21:22 "It doesn't get thermals, which puts it at slight disadvantage at 9.7"
*cries in russian*
The 2K has HEAT stock so it's painful trying to kill Russian tanks with ERA
@@aerina_eclair you ever try night maps in Russian tanks? Yea it sucks ass and isn't fair
@@DefinitelyNotAnAddict, you ever tried stock HEAT-FS that pens just a BIT more than 105mm HEAT-FS, when you have a 120mm gun, fighting at top of line stuff, all things IMMUNE TO ANYTHING CE BUT HELICOPTER ATGMs?
Night maps becomes mostly playing with caution or simply take cheap ass crap to die fast and quit match early, fighting with a USELESS STOCK ROUND is basically 100% fucked up
@@DefinitelyNotAnAddict Germany too has only 4 vehicles with thermals, same as the Russians, Germans only have Begleitpanzer, Leo L/44, 2A4 and 2A5 with thermals, meanwhile Russians only have T-80B, T-80U, BMP-3 and Tunguska.
*laugh in French having Thermal at 8.0*
The HOT doesn't shoot randomly. It's due the launcher that needs to swing into the direction you wanna aim after reloading. Otherwise it will shoot straight ahead, thus throwing off you aim.
Additionally, the launcher has very poor horizontal traverse side to side while the periscope, the same as on the SS.11, has better traverse than the launcher. You may have your crosshairs on a tank, but the launcher may be aligned slightly off from it. In the SS.11, it gets small circles showing where either launcher is aiming but the HOT doesn't, which is probably where Oxy's misconception comes from.
yup thats right.
@@QuantumLeclerc good to know this, thx.
Anyone else think its over tiered?
Definitely. Should be 8.3ish imo. Not exclusive to just the HOT, just about every ATGM carrier is still overtiered. M901, Starship/Sheridan, IT-1, Shturm, both Raks, Swingfire, Striker, Type 60, M113A1 TOWs, AMX-13 HOT etc.
It fires missaligned cause you don't give time to the rocket launcher to align correctly after reloading
Also: A1A1 lookaway kill, disrespect 100
Cmdr Cluelessguy yes this thank you I was going to say this.
i hd the missile crash into the ground while pointing upwards over a hill to shoot a heli, still broken for me
This is (mostly) the problem, however; bad ping, packet loss, and bad server connection affect the missile as well.
If you align it there is still a chance of a 'misfire'.
Not aligning it gives it the usual and expected swing, but also has the chance to add to the unpredictable and unusual vertical spread as well as the horizontal.
I can't believe how much effort you put in these amazing videos, your work is very highly appreciated oxy.
What are your thoughts on the new crafting and April fools events/vehicles? Stay healthy and happy!
Also, no-scoping a t72 WITHOUT looking in that direction! That's just showing off...
34:53 “Likely will be for a long time”
7 months later, the Leopard 2A6 is here 😂
7 months is quite a long time
Does anyone else hear the Soviet anthem getting steadily louder?
interrupted by " 'murica, fuck yeah" ;)
Me
I hear yuki no shingun getting louder and louder
Welp I guess we all know what nation is coming next o3o
Nope
Whenever I see the Gepard with his radar in travel mode, I think of an angry kitten hissing at you.
well it is named after cat
Furrys don't even stop at my precious gepard
17:41 Hmph, showoff..
that was hilarious actually
Haha I had to go back and rewatch
Is there a reason that Gaijin has a "climbing the ranks with X tanks" instead of just linking to your series? Seems a bit silly to me and not really appreciative of your work.
Regardless, keep up the great work! Teaching me a lot of things even though I've been playing since 2013. Stay safe during these times and thanks for the 109 G cards! I have yet to hang them up, but I am looking forward to it c:
Ivan Newb it’s more with relative age. Oxy has only been making these videos for ~ a year, so they’re fairly new
@@maxz3024 That makes sense. Perhaps in the future, then. Thanks for the reply and stay safe in these trying times :)
I think its mostly a professionalism thing, as a big company they would look rather unprofessional linking to a youtuber even though oxy's work is far superior to thiers.
@@pioneer_1148 They did reach out to him between when I posted the original comment and now, so maybe something is in store for us... c;
Stay safe! Link: th-cam.com/video/tJX72Q4NcWQ/w-d-xo.html&t=
Also, Oxy acutally goes around compairing tanks to one another, as well as their BRs and repair costs, which may mean that he will paint nations or premiums as not worht the effort or price, while gaijin reall want people to get in the deep end and throw as much money as possible
I have over 800 kills in the leo a1a1, I really recommend it.
When you get the APFSDS it gets really good. And now APDS isn't that garbage as before.
Poor me that grinded it before DM23 came.
@@kaikenDagger Back in 2015, poor me had to grind HEATFS for Leopard I and Jpz 4-5 without premium account (tier 4 modification for both), against the back then god-like T-10M... APDS now is stupidly good compared to the useless garbage it used to be.
Imagine trying to use a m60a1
@@Halcyonavi I got the m60 back when it came out, it was really garbage it would always die to a shot to the massive cupola or mantlet.
500 of those are my t62
what's sad is that the Begleitpanzer 57 still doesn't have it's dual feed system, smoke launcher, rearm fix and gearbox fix.
or its stab.... that truely ruins it. or the fact its 8.3 where it realistically shouldnt be seeing tanks lower than it do its job far better.
Strv-122 to the Leopard 2A5
"I am you, but stronger"
Sebastian dont worry the 2a6 is coming
*I am you, but re-branded
@@sfctw1 lol
@@billhuang6757 i hope not
Other nations need improvsmts first
@@KleinerGrenadier *improvements*
Wait the Kpz-70 reload is now 6s?! I DIDN'T KNOW THIS. THANK YOU OXY! Now I'm gonna play this beast!
Hans Fegelein they did it to the KPZ 70 but not the MBT 70. Germany suffers am I right?
@@masonyoung2073 They gave it the rheinmetall autolader, but the issue with the rheinmetall one is it wasn't able to fire the missiles
@@masonyoung2073 us top tier lineup is the best in game rn stop bitching
Its amazing now!
@@Gridlocked m1a2 m1a1, ah64, ah1z, adats, f4e with computer guided bombs and rockits.
You keep missing on one important factor with these tanks and their playability, repair costs.
It determines how repayable the tank can be and the style you will be forced to play to make a thin profit .
It has poisoned the game since Kpz-70 and t64 came out.
Cries in italian, french and swedish
so i know its pretty cheap overall, but for 6.3 the t-26e1-1 is hella expensive
if we compare it to the tiger 2 p, (which i also have so dont call me a freeaboo) the t-26e-1 is:
24,00 more rp (95k for for pershing, 71k for king tiger)
50,000 more sl to buy (260k for pershing, 210 for king tiger)
3,437 more sl to repair (9537 for pershing, 6100 for king tiger)
and 14,000 more to crew (75,000 for pershing, 61,000 for king tiger)
additionally, the king tiger is much easier to use for many, and gets smoke, and is paired with a better m41 than the americans get, and the german long 88 tds. oh and the wunderwaffe CAS. If anybody wants to tell me Germany suffers, just comment and i'll provide you with (what should be) obvious info as to why you're wrong!
@@thf773 freeabo alert
@@thf773 yea i'd say russia suffers in the mid tiers
Bullying T-34 and KVs are so easy that the only time i would worry about them is when they have my sides. Being shot at the front plate means death
Any tank in russia below rank 5 except KV-2, IS-2, T-44-100/122, T-34-100 cant do shit against germany (and america in AB). I believe the cause of this is russian tanks prioritize anti Pz.3/4s rather than anti Panther or anti Tiger 2 as the former are the most produced tanks in germany at the time and panther/tiger transmission broke so often that they could catch them off guard. The previously mentioned vehicles and SPGs preform well in anti tank tho. Mostly because of the huge caliber they strapped into their tanks.
This is however not the case with Rank 5-6. T-54/55/62s will always bully the crap of Leopards. Especially with those pesky APHE and gun ATGM :/
America has, arguably the best medium in Rank 2-4. Trust me, unless im using a tiger 2, facing a sherman is annoying. The weakspot is on the MG port but that isnt really consistent. Simetimes it pens and kills, most of the time i am the one getting penned.
@@thf773 That's true that the t26 has a much higher repair cost but it also has smaller weakspots unlike the tiger 2 p where basically half it's turret is a weak spot. As for the getting paired with a superior m41 you are rigt but you completely disregarded one thing. Teams. Germany is paired with Italy and/or Japan and sometimes Sweden. In all those cases it's basically just German tanks because especially at 6.3 you barely see any tanks on the axis team that aren't German. Those have to constantly fight against the Russian, Americans, British, French ect. Even at 6.3 Germany has only 2 tanks that are fast (3 if you country the jagdpanther but it's not relying on it's mobility since it's turn rate and reverse are atrocious. At this same br you verse not only the brits with their stabilisers and sabot rounds but also the Americans and soviets who other than major nations have either pretty solid line ups or good cas. Germany is relying only on armor and at 6.3 it starts taking some different steps. Armor isn't any good though at such high a br
Shocked you might be doing Soviets after the Addendum for Germany, considering that's 2 massive trees in a row. I'd honestly take a step back after that and either take a break or consider doing a smaller tree like France or China before pushing on to the final big one, USA.
(Please French tree, 6.7 atm, it needs more attention after the SL breaking costs it keeps getting)
I'd really want to see the french tree review, It has a lot of unique vehicles and different playstyles. And yeah, french vehicles are very overpriced in relation with repairing costs.
France is no where near complete enough for a review...
They only have a single viable top br tank.
He should really do America next, because its effectively complete.
Russian tree still needs to add stuff that's on par with the m1a2, leo2a5, leclerc, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see T-90 at a point. At the very least a modernization package for a tank(e.g. T-64BM, T-80UM).
France has more to add. So does Japan.
China or USA would be the best option for doing a review that doesn't have to added to a few months later(like britain now needs).
@@monarchco He did Britiain which suffice to say isn't complete at top tier as well. Only 9.7 has some good tanks and useful for a line up but a single Challenger 2 and those 9.7s minus the Vicker mk 7 are not good enough for top tier. Still does a series on them
@@Legion617 I don't think you read what I said.
I didn't say he needed to do Britain, I said he needed to expand on it. Do an update to it, because so much has been added since he did Britain.
And the reason I say he should do China or the US, is because the entire reason he picked Germany is because he wanted to do something that was effectively complete, and he would NOT have to revisit later.
That's why I think he should do US or China next, NOT Russia, France, or Japan.
@@monarchco I said he DID a British series on their ground vehicles. Which, like i said, akin to France, has ONE good vehicle at top tier, Challenger 2. France only has Leclerc.
Hey there, Oxy! I haven't played WT in a while but I always enjoy your review and analysis videos! Feels like I actually know stuff about the game.
HOT does that silly thing with the missile because you fire exactly when you reload, your tube needs to swing to the target and thus the missile flys out the tube which is not pointing where you are telling it to, yet. This is really felt on Sturm-S (poor thing).
M48A2 G A2 meaningful change, new better transmission and engine, gives it better reverse and mobility increase. I would say A1A1 for long range and M48 G for city fights because armor sometimes can save you.
2A4/2A5 low ammo count? Cconsidering the blow put is only 15 shells that is low for long games or spaming shells around. One shot in lower ammo rack is also a bad thing, so if you want more ammo you musn't get shot in that ammo rack.
One base SAM can get overwhelmed by 2-3 top choppers, I would say it is good to have the ability to spawn it (specially if you dont have any aircraft!)
34:32 "Ehh"
I dunno if I have low sense of humor but this broke me. XD
Well the high modification RP cost for the end of the line tank thing with the TAM also applies to the Rad and the KPz so it applies to all of them, though yes the stock grind is the worst of the three
are you doing the soviets or usa next?
if you didn't choose yet please do soviets
The french would be nice too, and It wouldn't be that much work compared to the soviets
@@heliogonzalezsanchez8227 watch him do a boogaloo on us and do the japanese
Looking at this, I guess UK could go whole 1 br lower and be still average.
TheKopocko we’re better players. We can handle it
Ridge LMAO! 🤣
@@ridge9066 Try playing against Russian USA and Germany and then tell me about good players. Germany has a lot of new players who rush to get some good tanks but due to their inexperience end up performing poorly. One thing other than this however is Germany against the world. Quite literally Britain has stabilisers and sabot at much lower br's than other countries (including Germany) and is always paired with Russia USA France and the like. I'm not talking about all tiers here obviously since on some tiers they fight against the Russians with the Germans and then they get annihilated
Everyone else: *SWEDEEEEEEN BOIIIIS!*
Oxy: *Germany doesn't actually suffer. A lot*
Well yeah. Anyone who has played till ~tier 5/6 in each nation would know that Germany does not really suffer (and in a lot of cases, it's quite the opposite of suffering).
Lets be honest here. No nation is really suffering. War Thunder is at times just a bullshit game that frustrates constantly :( Also Confirmation bias
Germany never really suffered when it comes to the vehicles themselves. Almost every vehicle in the game will struggle in a full up tier, not just german vehicles. Every heavily armored vehicle in the game will experience that their armor are useless against heat-fs and darts. For example a tiger 2 H is just as hard to penetrate from the front for a 5.7 american vehicle as it's hard for a german 5.7 to pen the front of a T34 heavy tank. Also germany have been winning a lot more recently at the br's where it was said to "suffer" before. And at high tiers Germany are one of the best nations.
German players:
Nobody:
Alliedboo shitposters: *gERmaNy SUfFeRS*
I won’t say that they suffer, but it’s annoying only having one 10.3, and one 10.0, and one 9.7 that can’t survive anything
I really like the statement he made about the Leo and the lack of stabs .... US mains will cry all day about th germans having better guns, but the dont realize what an incredible advantage having a stab is (and they have it starting at reserve .... so they should stfu)
Oxy at 34:52:
"Leo 2A5 is the most forgiving tank"
Leo 2A6:
I do not think so.
13:20 That guy was in a ZiS-30?
what kind of uptier was that?
31:20
Hold my Schnaps
People bring them to try to kill MBT's a gun like the 57mm probably would one shot from the side.
Probably a new guy to the game that bought a premium mbt
DunaMoose If you kill a vehicle 5 BRs higher than you, you get an achievement called godmode. This gives you 30k silverlions, so especially with a huge booster activated, many players (including me) try their luck with lowtier highspeed/highpen vehicles like the Zis-30 or the Pakwagen.
@@paulincailloux4167 Bruh I didn't see that
Leopard 2k would be my favorite tank if it had thermals
Hey I know this is from a year ago but the 2k did have thermals, turret 11 is the one that had a thermal pariscope, there were a ton of turrets that went with the 2 k, some with and without the auto cannon , but turret 11 had both thermals and the cannon
The buff for the kpz was basically bringing it back to DEV SERVER STATS on the autoloader....
For real, the 6 seconds should have come since the first Abrams came, yet took them 10-20 new MBTs being added for the now trash tier Kpz/MBT to get something (albeit only the kpz, probably because US still has enough CASbuse to back these trashy tanks)
Yeah they nerfed the reload to 10 seconds back when it was top tier. I guess they realized that it is no longer OP with a 6 second reload and gave it back it's fast reload. Leo 2K still needs to be either lowered to 9.3 or get a better APFSDS shell tho. They should atleast give it DM23 if it is going to stay at 9.7
@@daphydrake7899 I grinded the 2A4 with the HEAT because APFSDS is expensive for me being a F2P
@@daphydrake7899 they nerfed to 10 secs it as most MBT/KPz-70s used american autoloader/assisted loader. But German KPz-70 had their own autoloader made by Rheinmetall that reloads 6 secs and a little more compact than american one.
KPz should've 6 secs all along these years and not be brought down by inferior american counterpart
@@9595Christopher well both was at 6 seconds at the start and then gaijin "dug up some new documents" and suddenly both was at 10 seconds. Still i wouldn't really go by what reload speeds gaijin gives tanks in war thunder. There are both tanks with autoloaders and manually loaded that are a lot faster or slower to reload irl. For example a 120mm smoothbore can be reloaded in 3-4 seconds irl and the B1 bis having a 4 second reload while the commander also serves as gunner and loader at the same time as commanding the tank? Don't think so. . So I'm not fully convinced that gaijin really goes for the realistic reload speeds and more uses reload speed as a balancing factor then anything.
@@daphydrake7899 agreed 👌
Is it me or is Oxy one of those you tubers who put so much work into their videos and hardly get any subscribers?
OXY your channel is groing you will be a great youTuber of war thunder we ar all hear for you
Oxy you might not know this.. but I really think you're a great person. I use these videos to listen to almost everynight since they're chock full of information and a good voice, they really calm me down. Hope you're well and that you'll create more.
Much love from The Netherlands.
I cant believe you didn't mention the tier 1 tanks being used in tier 6/7 for god modes.
on the Begleitpanzer 57.... you forgot to mention the absolutely atrocious recoil of the gun. even at ~100m you rarely get the second hit to land in a tanks side, cause the gun jumps around far too much
„And it will be likely for a long time.“ Until the Leopard 2A6 comes out.
The FlaRakPz 1 is always stealing my kills while I'm in the Gepard. I hate it.
what? leopard 2k so much survivable
Please do the Russian tech tree! :)
Do usa aftet that
When he said about losing becuase of things completly our of your control.... Yeah try playing world of tanks where wg choose if you win or not
The HOT is so useless, even it's previous tank the rakjpz performs far better
New players. Every year the vehicle are half price
So wait play figure out what you like before buying something you regret
i think you should do a video about enhanced graphics for tank battles and air battles yor graphics look so different to mee
So you’re telling me Germany needed a buff on its KPZ 70 yet the MBT 70 still retains its garbage 10 second reload...Germany is real special case these days of WT
Oh and they got that M48 at 7.0 while the american one is 7.3... And now apparently they think that the M4A3 76 w is better then a tiger 1 and on the same level as a panther since it is now at 5.7. And moving the T29 to 7.0. Usa is winning too much i guess.. lol
Radio_Demon if win rates was the problem then why wasn’t the M48a1 in the Chinese tech tree given the same treatment. Face it German players are trash who can’t win if they aren’t in impenetrable bunkers fighting against lightly armored Sherman’s and t-34s.
@@masonyoung2073 lol the Chinese m48 oh that a good one
you forgot a con for the 2A5 : repair cost is high
Can you do USA or USSR ground forces next?
Hello, can you please tell me what are your post fx configs ?
Next american or russans??
Same for the French?
I agree with your Leopard A1A1's analysis, but I think that since it's basically stuck in the middle of the tier list and the fact that you should grind all the way up to the top, eventually meeting Leo A5 (which is the most ultimate vehicle in German tech tree for BR 10.3 now), this is more like "MUST GET" rather than "I'd get".
Though I strongly agree with your opinion and support your channel!!
3:00 You know, it was also historical that Panthers and Tigers would suffer transmission failures or randomly catch fire, but they didn't model THAT into the game, now, did they? And don't even get me STARTED on the mechanical failings of the T-34. Modeling this sort of thing into the game seems like more of a specific vehicular nerf by design than anything else. We play these vehicles as if they were at the peak of their performance, and this should be no different for the HOT missiles.
Hold on, Kpz-70 got a buff to its autoloader, while MBT-70 doesn't. How? They're the same tank. MBT-70 was a joint development program between Germany and US and Kpz-70 is just the German designation.
As far as I know, they had different autoloaders, the german one being faster. When the MBT/KPz came into the game, they both had 6s reloads, then they nerfed both to 10s and now buffed the KPz to 6s again.
I'm wondering how they mean to balance it, maybe move the KPz to 9.3 or leave it be. The latter is more Gaijin-like.
"Disregarding the French" im always saying this
still prefer T80U. hull down never got one shot killed by a tank but with 2a5 ez snack :(
İt called Russian bias.İn reality T-80 has not any chance to match head to head with Leopard 2A5 1v1.
@@erichvonmanstein1952 100% agree but Gaijin and its balancing ...
what is next nation ? France, Japan, USSR ?
Next Russians
I've seen your video on T20, you said it was great. Can you review it again, after moving to 5.7 br?
Sorry for irrelevant to the content of video comment)
Also some beginner videos on War Thunder would be appreciated) I'm a newbie and can't get my head around this game.
31:20 :( look what you did the that poor child
Heartless
Can you do the US ground forces next?
can you pls make a video on us tanks pls.
Why does he main the dart on the Leo 2K when the HEATFS has much higher pen?
Because all tanks at that BR have either: Space amour, composite amour, ERA package, or all of them combined. Even just one of these types of amour can completely block any Chemical energy round (aka HEAT, HE, HESH,...) from penetrating the tanks.
But Kinetic energy round (aka all kinds of AP, dart, Sabot round,..) any penetrate it without much problem. That's the main reason why nobody uses HEAT-FS at top-tier.
I love the KPz-70 but the problem I still have with it is the fact that gaijin treats it as a top top top tier tank that requires tons of xp to get modifications for, it takes upwards of 30k xp for a tier 2 upgrade which is just painful, but besides that the tank is pretty good!
3:00 *Cries in WoT RNG system*
5:25 Germans: *Radkampfwagen 90*
Americans: Dude, that's a Rad Camp Wagon for the 90s.
I wish I had your situational awareness, rangefinding and reflexes man.
i like how 90% of the players with no money investment will quit before coming close to this high
I'm a free to play player and it's taken me 1500 hours get the Leo 1 A1A1
3:22 You just described wot where everything is random, accuracy, damage and pen, you can be the best player in the world but if RNG is not on your side you can get killed by a much luckier absolute potato of a player
Yea i played wot before what bothers me is how you have to wait for the circle to go down, and the rng drives me nuts
Can you do the Swedish tech tree next?
Radkampfwagen 90: ''It's OP, get it''.
Next up...
Seriously though, this thing is busted in the current state and BR.
AFAIK SAMs now have a MINIMUM ALTITUDE for the fuse to detonate, so using the roland 3 as a pseudo Shturm ATGM carrier Thermobaric HEGM against tanks with vulnerable roofs
Nice Polish skin on Mig-21 :)
One con for Leo 2A5 is reload time from secondary ammo. It is KV-2 levels of bad. You rarely face this but if you need to absolutely carry your team...
Sweden next?
Oxy: 2A5 is possibly the most forgiving and easy to play top tier
Gaijin: Adds 2A6...
wait for 2a7
@@nurs3826 also at 10.7
@@firstduckofwellington6889 the strv 122 is like a leopard 2a7v so dont say its op
@@Toxic-dy6fx How is it in anyway like the 2a7v???
Both have improved frontal armor and in general they are better armored
Maybe do America next?
America has the most complete tree IMO.
While Russia, France, Japan all have quite a bit left to add, especially at top BR.
"it punishes the player when they haven really done a mistake... It wouldn't be fair that you experience of a vehicle could be ruined by something entirely out of your control".
Are you speaking of planes and bombs ? Random dying has been implemented in WT since the begining.
Russian tank next?
Pls
@3:20 - The reason for it is because when loading the missile has finished, you need to wait 1sec for it to turn where you are aiming if your hull is not 100% aligned with your aiming position, so when it reloads, like in that specific time frame when you shot right when loaded, basically ASAP shot, it didn't shot where you aimed because it just got loaded and was in its default position. You can understand it when you will look at the animation in 3rd person view, then you will understand why.
@23:00 - Actually, I had quite enough times being shot at, that I can say that enemy can overpenetrate you or not do anything at all. Enemy has hit my ass...no damage, or just fuel loss. Turret compartment has no ammo, so anything will overpenetrate the back as well as few other locations from sides. The argument you used for KPz survivability fits for Leo 2K much better, since I am getting less luckier with KPz than with Leo 2K.
@34:30 - PROS - Everything. Cons - Nothing. :D
Just imagine when A6 gets in the game...and then A7... :D brah, I guess 10.3+ Germany will always be at the top of the game, because A6 is on par if not better than its contestants, and A7 just outperforms the rest of the modern MBT's, including Abrams and Challenger. It's just sad that there are places in the tech tree where Germany does suck ass and has almost nothing that gives a challenge to the enemy vehicles of same BR.
BIOSHOCKFOXX I’d rather have the puma than the 2a6. The US could also use the modern m2 Bradley.
I just unlock Leopard 2A4 but to do well you need to buy night vision lol,so many night maps at hight teir
brooo why did you put the balkenkreuz on the Dutch Skin for the A1A1 that's dirty
United States next?
wait you have the dutch's king's name on the side of your Leopard 1A1
The kpz 70 is decently survivable as if you get shot in the right of the turret u usually only lose the driver.
So will anyone explainign these vehicles also explain to new player that if they want to played them..... YOU HAVE TO PLAY AT LEAS A YEAR.... and only as one country not multiple or YOU CAN JUST THROW THOUSANDS of any currecny you use and maybe you will be able to play them in a HALF A YAER playing the game.. and that HIIIIIGH MAYBE.....
Have fun
The Leo A1A1 L44 is available with the Summer Sale, including the BO 105 CB-2 for 50€ (basically two packs, giving 2K GE and 15 days premium each - i think)
As I am grinding the German Ranks being somewhere @ 3.7 - do You porfessionals/experienced players think it's worth the 50€?
Man German tree really is the easiest one it seems, and Leo 2A5 is basically braindead easy, especially with fewer helicopters around now.
These vids are great Oxy, can't wait to see what's next.
Hey oxy. you think you can do the chinese tree next?
One of my favorite series on YT! Keep it up Oxy.
Yanks next pls?
Next up: J A P A N
I as a general rule stay away from prem tanks, but after getting to 8.7 Leo A1A1 I decided to get the Leo A1A1/L44 ( when it was 8.7 still ) and dam!!!! I love the Leo, I have most kills in it and also most SL earned. Its not uncommon when using the 120mm L44 to finish up with 5-8 kills per match as it works so dam well
Well, as it turns out, the Rad 90 got crapped on. Instead of raising the BR or something, the next BR vehicle is the 2C and the current 9.0, the Rad, costs some 9-10k stock....so it became basically useless if you don't have a premium account and/or premium tank...
Rip bt5 at 31:23
Should've mentioned TAM's NVD. The worst thing I ever seen...Terrible terrible experience in night battle...
russians next?
10:00 peek a boo
The Leopard 2A4 has the modern tiger 1 and the Leopard 2A5 is the modern tiger ii
Congrats! Oxy. Gajin is based in Karlsruhe, Germany. If you like Wine you will love your new life :))) France and Switzerland less than 2h away. Have fun and enjoy!
The gepard is the worst SPAA
-Only 40 rounds of apds
-Only 650 he ammo
Other spaas has :
Minigun with insane fire rate
40 mm cannons with proximity fuze
4x23 mm cannons with a lot of ammo
And they can deal with tanks
Oxy, are you starting the Swedish tree? At 4:53 on Bo Time's Object 279 video, apparently he killed you in the UDES 33...