great vid, I was pretty certain NG leveler was in my future but this solidified it. I have a capi sum bus 32 channels using a anatal xbay digital patch controller. So its great for dropping outboard in between my interface outputs before summing, but ran into issues if automating. Even regardless of automation (which it will be perfect for) its great to have that final fader control post outboard to dial in how hard I wanna smack the capi sumbus. Using an SSL UF8 too which has been confirmed to work with the leveler. What a great tool!
Thanks that’s what thought too.. others on here commenting how you can do it with a DAW I don’t think they get most don’t want the extra trips thru converters..I’m actually thinking of selling mine mostly because I haven’t been summing out as much lately.. the Capi sounds amazing I bet.
Thanks for the video! I’m going to be running 32 channels of ngleveler shortly, just finishing my console wiring project this week. I’m excited to really test out the whole system.
@@RonniSantmyer nothing too fancy: I’ve got a Ramsa WR-T820B I picked up while I’m rebuilding my main board (Soundtracs Topaz Project 32). Just a heads up if you intend to use a DAW controller with the Ngleveler: newer versions of MacOS have some issues with note-off values in the IAC virtual MIDI port. I have a workaround if it ever comes up.
@@ryancrawford9894 I remember both those boards.. yeah I used my Xtouch with it on Windows had little issue but got around it. But now on the Mac it’s funny like you said IAC I can use it with xtouch solo but when I use it with Reaper then have to use that IAC it makes channels in Reaper flicker funny.. I was going to look into seeing if there was another way to use xtouch or a way to switch between Ng and the Daw other then the IAC?
@@RonniSantmyer I’m using MidiPipe with a fairly simple config. I just take all of the incoming note-off messages that are returning to the X Touch and convert the velocities to 0. By default, they are being converted to 64 by IAC. This apparently happened somewhere between Catalina and Monterey. The X-Touch doesn’t accept the velocities as valid, so the LEDs get latched when you press buttons. I can send you my documentation if it’d be helpful.
@@ryancrawford9894 thanks I'll look into.. if I get stumped on it I'll hit you up for it. That is def what was happening to me with the latching and weirdness in Reaper.
I’m seriously considering this to integrate with a console workflow that doesn’t have automation. Thanks for this video. The THD is a DSP circuit or a transformer?
Not sure how Wes Audio does it.. but it's not a transformer it's in a lot of products it's a circuit. I also have their Dione comp and I use it on that as well.. Funny I love this unit and been wanting it or something like it for years.. but lately I'm not summing out as much and I've thought whether I should sell or hold on to it. But I wanted to make the video because it's a cool unit that I still think gets over looked. And Thank you for watching it!!
@@RonniSantmyer I hear you there. I’ve never done the summing box thing, but I don’t know how to function without the console. It sounds like this is the answer that I’ve been waiting for since I even bought the thing. I’ve done recalls and automation from stems for a while, but it’s exhausting and I hate it all by the time I’m done. I’d very much like to be able to work linearly and in real-time. It being a digitally controlled piece of hardware, do you think it will be something that will be supported for a while? Maybe as long as HUI is a standard?
@@stevedoesnt I think so.. I hope so I mean a lot of their gear is USB controlled or guys by the Wes Audio 500 rack so you then only need 1 USB cable for all the gear you have in the slots.. Bettermaker stopped their 500 stuff.. I was hoping more would do that stuff makes recalls amazing. I miss large out of the box console mixing days.. but people are wanting faster and of course anymore $$$ is issues.. But I'd love to see more recall things with USB or Ethernet.
Thank you! I'm still new doing these thing when I find time. it's Canon M50 with Sigma 16mm some sometimes I use the Canon 22mm.. or in other videos like my Luna vs API560 when pointed at hardware I use a Sigma 30mm on the gear.
@RonniSantmyer I'm not in front of my computer but the first way I can thunk of would be to mute your track, make a send to "outboard output whatever number" "prefader", then create a new track, arm it to record, choose your input that you're receiving on and right click the record arm to monitor input, you can now move the new tracks fader I believe to control your mix signal and you'll also be monitoring after all that conversion which is better anyway. I usually send out a test click just to see if there's latency and nudge the track if it's vital after its recorded or bounced but you could adjust your latency in preferences too. "Reainsert" on a track is an alternative method and seems most recommended and also has a ping function go adjust latency for you but I stopped using it a couple years ago bc it seemed hit or miss. I'm assuming you see a problem in this work flow, or I'm almost hoping bc it could help me too? Lol
Yeah I still don't follow.. The idea of the NgLeveler is to control volume out of the box.. I've done plenty of mixes in Reaper with all plugs and plenty with hardware inserts with no issues.. But mixing to a summing box guys who wanted automated volume need a unit like NgLeveler. If I was staying in the Box for the summing part but wanted hardware compressors then yeah if just use ReaInsert or I'd run out and back to another track to print it back. But this was more about mixing out of a DAW into a mixer or a summing box.
@RonniSantmyer I assume you're mixing hybrid like me, and the instruction I left can manage that minus whatever I may have left out since I'm not sitting in front of the computer but I'm also assuming that you're bringing your final mix back into the computer requiring it pass through your converters and not mixing a final to a tape machine or something else. Honestly if I'm monitoring through a receiving track that has had the signal pass from the daw and a send track, to an outboard compressor back into reapers new receiving track(monitoring input) I would just control the volume from the outboard compressor itself assuming levels are set well.
Yes, in Reaper is easy to route the output of your Outboard and make automation on return (original channel with master parent send Off, analog send to outboard active, create New channel, arm channel in record+listen) The number of channel in mixer increase (8 stereo out/8 new stereo input channel. 2 conversion (DA, AD) and in case of analog summing box after reaper automation is a total of 3 conversion + master In (DA, AD, DA/ master AD) This box is cool for working with minimum conversione and route to Summing Box with analog automation. But imho for multitrack reamp /otb processig is not very necessary.
of course you can. But if you are summing to a summing box.. why would you want to go out a D/A into the gear back to A/D then out again an D/A to hit your summing box.. this isn't for mixing in the box. It's for guys who either mix using summing boxes with outboard or a console with no automation. This NgLeveler gives you that automation. When I do mix in the box.. which I actually did on the albums I mentioned then yeah I don't need to use the NgLeveler cause the only hardware I used was my 2buss chain which I did insert in Reaper on the 2Buss. Now Luna on the other hand so far doesn't have hardware inserts as of yet.
also as you know there are no rules.. and I have done mixes in the past summing out of the box on large sessions and yes I did insert some gear into Reaper going thru the extra conversion but that's because those tracks needed automation and I didn't want the gain changing on my comps and that was before I owned the NgLeveler..
great vid, I was pretty certain NG leveler was in my future but this solidified it. I have a capi sum bus 32 channels using a anatal xbay digital patch controller. So its great for dropping outboard in between my interface outputs before summing, but ran into issues if automating. Even regardless of automation (which it will be perfect for) its great to have that final fader control post outboard to dial in how hard I wanna smack the capi sumbus. Using an SSL UF8 too which has been confirmed to work with the leveler. What a great tool!
Thanks that’s what thought too.. others on here commenting how you can do it with a DAW I don’t think they get most don’t want the extra trips thru converters..I’m actually thinking of selling mine mostly because I haven’t been summing out as much lately.. the Capi sounds amazing I bet.
Thanks for the video! I’m going to be running 32 channels of ngleveler shortly, just finishing my console wiring project this week. I’m excited to really test out the whole system.
Awesome.. what console?
@@RonniSantmyer nothing too fancy: I’ve got a Ramsa WR-T820B I picked up while I’m rebuilding my main board (Soundtracs Topaz Project 32). Just a heads up if you intend to use a DAW controller with the Ngleveler: newer versions of MacOS have some issues with note-off values in the IAC virtual MIDI port. I have a workaround if it ever comes up.
@@ryancrawford9894 I remember both those boards.. yeah I used my Xtouch with it on Windows had little issue but got around it. But now on the Mac it’s funny like you said IAC I can use it with xtouch solo but when I use it with Reaper then have to use that IAC it makes channels in Reaper flicker funny.. I was going to look into seeing if there was another way to use xtouch or a way to switch between Ng and the Daw other then the IAC?
@@RonniSantmyer I’m using MidiPipe with a fairly simple config. I just take all of the incoming note-off messages that are returning to the X Touch and convert the velocities to 0. By default, they are being converted to 64 by IAC. This apparently happened somewhere between Catalina and Monterey. The X-Touch doesn’t accept the velocities as valid, so the LEDs get latched when you press buttons. I can send you my documentation if it’d be helpful.
@@ryancrawford9894 thanks I'll look into.. if I get stumped on it I'll hit you up for it. That is def what was happening to me with the latching and weirdness in Reaper.
Can this basically function as a mixer too?
Thanks
no.. because it's 1 to 1.. so just in a channel back out same channel but with level and mute control and the THD on each channel.
I’m seriously considering this to integrate with a console workflow that doesn’t have automation. Thanks for this video. The THD is a DSP circuit or a transformer?
Not sure how Wes Audio does it.. but it's not a transformer it's in a lot of products it's a circuit. I also have their Dione comp and I use it on that as well.. Funny I love this unit and been wanting it or something like it for years.. but lately I'm not summing out as much and I've thought whether I should sell or hold on to it. But I wanted to make the video because it's a cool unit that I still think gets over looked. And Thank you for watching it!!
@@RonniSantmyer I hear you there. I’ve never done the summing box thing, but I don’t know how to function without the console. It sounds like this is the answer that I’ve been waiting for since I even bought the thing. I’ve done recalls and automation from stems for a while, but it’s exhausting and I hate it all by the time I’m done. I’d very much like to be able to work linearly and in real-time. It being a digitally controlled piece of hardware, do you think it will be something that will be supported for a while? Maybe as long as HUI is a standard?
@@stevedoesnt I think so.. I hope so I mean a lot of their gear is USB controlled or guys by the Wes Audio 500 rack so you then only need 1 USB cable for all the gear you have in the slots.. Bettermaker stopped their 500 stuff.. I was hoping more would do that stuff makes recalls amazing. I miss large out of the box console mixing days.. but people are wanting faster and of course anymore $$$ is issues.. But I'd love to see more recall things with USB or Ethernet.
It uses the VCAs to generate the distortion. You can affect VCA circuit THD by tweaking the symmetry.
Hi Ronni, what camera and lens please? Looks great.
Thanks
Thank you! I'm still new doing these thing when I find time. it's Canon M50 with Sigma 16mm some sometimes I use the Canon 22mm.. or in other videos like my Luna vs API560 when pointed at hardware I use a Sigma 30mm on the gear.
You can get around all that with different internal routing in reaper
really? you can route in a way that youu can control volume after a hardware compressor going into a summing box? Please explain.
@RonniSantmyer I'm not in front of my computer but the first way I can thunk of would be to mute your track, make a send to "outboard output whatever number" "prefader", then create a new track, arm it to record, choose your input that you're receiving on and right click the record arm to monitor input, you can now move the new tracks fader I believe to control your mix signal and you'll also be monitoring after all that conversion which is better anyway. I usually send out a test click just to see if there's latency and nudge the track if it's vital after its recorded or bounced but you could adjust your latency in preferences too. "Reainsert" on a track is an alternative method and seems most recommended and also has a ping function go adjust latency for you but I stopped using it a couple years ago bc it seemed hit or miss. I'm assuming you see a problem in this work flow, or I'm almost hoping bc it could help me too? Lol
Yeah I still don't follow.. The idea of the NgLeveler is to control volume out of the box.. I've done plenty of mixes in Reaper with all plugs and plenty with hardware inserts with no issues.. But mixing to a summing box guys who wanted automated volume need a unit like NgLeveler. If I was staying in the Box for the summing part but wanted hardware compressors then yeah if just use ReaInsert or I'd run out and back to another track to print it back. But this was more about mixing out of a DAW into a mixer or a summing box.
@RonniSantmyer I assume you're mixing hybrid like me, and the instruction I left can manage that minus whatever I may have left out since I'm not sitting in front of the computer but I'm also assuming that you're bringing your final mix back into the computer requiring it pass through your converters and not mixing a final to a tape machine or something else. Honestly if I'm monitoring through a receiving track that has had the signal pass from the daw and a send track, to an outboard compressor back into reapers new receiving track(monitoring input) I would just control the volume from the outboard compressor itself assuming levels are set well.
Yes, in Reaper is easy to route the output of your Outboard and make automation on return (original channel with master parent send Off, analog send to outboard active, create New channel, arm channel in record+listen)
The number of channel in mixer increase (8 stereo out/8 new stereo input channel.
2 conversion (DA, AD) and in case of analog summing box after reaper automation is a total of 3 conversion + master In (DA, AD, DA/ master AD)
This box is cool for working with minimum conversione and route to Summing Box with analog automation.
But imho for multitrack reamp /otb processig is not very necessary.
Can’t you put your outboard as an insert in reaper! You can in protools. Not sure I understand the use case in this scenario.
of course you can. But if you are summing to a summing box.. why would you want to go out a D/A into the gear back to A/D then out again an D/A to hit your summing box.. this isn't for mixing in the box. It's for guys who either mix using summing boxes with outboard or a console with no automation. This NgLeveler gives you that automation. When I do mix in the box.. which I actually did on the albums I mentioned then yeah I don't need to use the NgLeveler cause the only hardware I used was my 2buss chain which I did insert in Reaper on the 2Buss. Now Luna on the other hand so far doesn't have hardware inserts as of yet.
also as you know there are no rules.. and I have done mixes in the past summing out of the box on large sessions and yes I did insert some gear into Reaper going thru the extra conversion but that's because those tracks needed automation and I didn't want the gain changing on my comps and that was before I owned the NgLeveler..
Got it. I just was confused by what you were going for in the video. Ya if you're summing in analog that's really dope! Dope video!