Nice review, very well done! I’ve had the Furthrrr Generator for a few months now, and it’s a BEAST! So much fun finding the sweet spots, and the tone and timbre are like nothing else! (Except perhaps a Buchla 258?)
The Strong Zero core doesn't add linear FM, the standard analog oscillators are already capable of that. It enables linear through zero FM. This means that if the modulation would cause the carrier oscillator to go lower than 0 hz, instead of just stopping it will go 'through zero' and into "negative frequencies". Obviously it doesn't destroy the space-time continuum - negative frequencies aren't really a thing. Rather the carrier waveform is inverted while in the sub-zero state. I don't know for sure, but I assume the Strong Zero core actually uses phase modulation to achieve this though, which technically isn't the same thing as FM, but in practice it produces the same results. This is how most "FM"-synths (like the DX7 for instance) are implemented.
Thanks… I forgot exactly what I said… but quite possibly talked nonsense! Sometimes I find I’ve thrown in the wrong words when editing - just like my grandmother! I’ve made a demo of the Behringer 2600 ring mod showing exactly what your talking about there. As it has a dc circuit and some waves go through zero others don’t. So some retain the original frequencies which is the big sonic difference.
It seems very expensive for a module that just goes FurRrRrRrRrRrRrBzzzzzzZrRrRrRrRT You can get a lot of similar tones from a Behringer Neutron for £200, and then you are getting a bunch of other "modules" for free. You seem very happy with your purchase, so that's what's important 👍 I was just shocked by the price 🤣
Ah ha ... but it’s what you do with the furRrRrRBzzzzRrRrRrT :) I maybe should have added a few patches. It’s can give me the sort of tones that can take ages to tune in using other stuff.. and when you think it’s got 2 fully featured osc with Fm and sync plus wave shaper and a ring mod, with amp mod etc it starts not to seem so expensive. I like it because it gives me the complex tones that take a lot of setup with my other analog gear. But Yeah... if FuRrRrRrRrRrBzzzzzzzZrRrRrRrRT isn’t your thing.. and it’s only an occasional habit then maybe it’s not a bargain! . (and btw I typed all that didn’t copy it - a lot of effort went into this reply :))
Seems a lot pricey for what the module offers. I have the same thought for most complex oscillator modules. Like guitar pedals, I prefer simple interfaces and do one thing well kind of gear. I find it too hard to follow a complex oscillator interface once in a case and smothered in cables.
I have always been a DPO dude... I got one after I was stupid and sold my shared system. I really liked how warm it sounded as well as all the extra goodies like switchable waveforms for the mod buss as well as having RM and AM as well as FM and modulation of the waveshaper. I landed up trading it for a DPO tho bc I didn’t like how the FM worked even tho I set the jumper to run in expo mode. I just couldn’t get as extreme and raw sounds out of it as the DPO. Plus I like having two separate mod busses .. one for the wave shaper and one for the FM.. mainly the FM implementation on the DPO is far superior if you’re more into crazy sounds rather than the more musical nature of the furthurrr. The build quality on the furthurrrr is far superior IMO however DPOs hold up well. Ppl out there using their same DPOs for 10 years or however they been making them
I’ve been looking at the DPO as well. Never tried it, but love the warmth of this. Had to send it back as it was faulty (purchased used), so on the lookout for a replacement. DPO is top of the list.
When you're playing an A both the red and blue should be lit constantly/ When I was playing high up on the controller keyboard it was less stable than lower down ie higher octaves they were both flashing, lower octaves were more stable. Thats probably more to do with the quality of the CV in I think.
Wow, nice new camera angles! Your videos have always been great, but the production value on this one is really fantastic! Nice work :)
Thanks, I had the cameras set up for my Clubbing TV show, so threw this in late in the day, as I'd been meaning to do it for a while.
@@StarskyCarr agree and I need to improve my video production skills.
Nice review, very well done! I’ve had the Furthrrr Generator for a few months now, and it’s a BEAST! So much fun finding the sweet spots, and the tone and timbre are like nothing else! (Except perhaps a Buchla 258?)
indeed I was blown away today when I used mine the first time. Love it and with Trident and DPO such a beast.
I saw Daniel Miller had one of these in his rig at Superbooth 2022 together with a Klavis Twinwaves mkII.
The Strong Zero core doesn't add linear FM, the standard analog oscillators are already capable of that. It enables linear through zero FM. This means that if the modulation would cause the carrier oscillator to go lower than 0 hz, instead of just stopping it will go 'through zero' and into "negative frequencies". Obviously it doesn't destroy the space-time continuum - negative frequencies aren't really a thing. Rather the carrier waveform is inverted while in the sub-zero state.
I don't know for sure, but I assume the Strong Zero core actually uses phase modulation to achieve this though, which technically isn't the same thing as FM, but in practice it produces the same results. This is how most "FM"-synths (like the DX7 for instance) are implemented.
Thanks… I forgot exactly what I said… but quite possibly talked nonsense! Sometimes I find I’ve thrown in the wrong words when editing - just like my grandmother! I’ve made a demo of the Behringer 2600 ring mod showing exactly what your talking about there. As it has a dc circuit and some waves go through zero others don’t. So some retain the original frequencies which is the big sonic difference.
Yeah, Ring mod is to amplitude modulation what TZFM is to regular FM.
NIce! thanks for this, very interesting
looking forward to your views on Elements :)
Coming soon!
Nice to see you've entered the "fold"
Resistance was futile. and I hear there's no escape!
Starsky Carr dozens of infinitely sweepable micro sweet spots.
It seems very expensive for a module that just goes FurRrRrRrRrRrRrBzzzzzzZrRrRrRrRT
You can get a lot of similar tones from a Behringer Neutron for £200, and then you are getting a bunch of other "modules" for free.
You seem very happy with your purchase, so that's what's important 👍 I was just shocked by the price 🤣
Ah ha ... but it’s what you do with the furRrRrRBzzzzRrRrRrT :) I maybe should have added a few patches. It’s can give me the sort of tones that can take ages to tune in using other stuff.. and when you think it’s got 2 fully featured osc with Fm and sync plus wave shaper and a ring mod, with amp mod etc it starts not to seem so expensive. I like it because it gives me the complex tones that take a lot of setup with my other analog gear. But Yeah... if FuRrRrRrRrRrBzzzzzzzZrRrRrRrRT isn’t your thing.. and it’s only an occasional habit then maybe it’s not a bargain! . (and btw I typed all that didn’t copy it - a lot of effort went into this reply :))
Great video, thanks!
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Seems a lot pricey for what the module offers. I have the same thought for most complex oscillator modules. Like guitar pedals, I prefer simple interfaces and do one thing well kind of gear. I find it too hard to follow a complex oscillator interface once in a case and smothered in cables.
I have always been a DPO dude... I got one after I was stupid and sold my shared system. I really liked how warm it sounded as well as all the extra goodies like switchable waveforms for the mod buss as well as having RM and AM as well as FM and modulation of the waveshaper. I landed up trading it for a DPO tho bc I didn’t like how the FM worked even tho I set the jumper to run in expo mode. I just couldn’t get as extreme and raw sounds out of it as the DPO. Plus I like having two separate mod busses .. one for the wave shaper and one for the FM.. mainly the FM implementation on the DPO is far superior if you’re more into crazy sounds rather than the more musical nature of the furthurrr. The build quality on the furthurrrr is far superior IMO however DPOs hold up well. Ppl out there using their same DPOs for 10 years or however they been making them
I’ve been looking at the DPO as well. Never tried it, but love the warmth of this. Had to send it back as it was faulty (purchased used), so on the lookout for a replacement. DPO is top of the list.
Why not have both
@@StarskyCarr love my DPO in my Make Noise Shared System it is like a meaner version of the Furthrrrr Generator.
@@gregbradshaw7220 yup that is what I ended up with
Very nice! Just got one this week, so perfect timing. Do the tuner light on yours blink when you reach the A?
When you're playing an A both the red and blue should be lit constantly/ When I was playing high up on the controller keyboard it was less stable than lower down ie higher octaves they were both flashing, lower octaves were more stable. Thats probably more to do with the quality of the CV in I think.
@@StarskyCarr thanks for the quick reply. Just checked and yeah, mine blink sometimes on both oscillators when you're in A. No biggie, just wondering.
@@StarskyCarr There's a trimpot inside the module where you can fine tune it to be stable in all octaves.
I love my Endorphin.es Furthrrrr Generator in my Shuttle System! So rich and tones of Buchla, Moog and Jupiter in one!
Furthrrrr vs DPO?
I'll start saving now ;)
DPO hands down
@@geraldgoodiii6993 both are great for different reasons. I need to do a comparison video.