I would keep driving it and check if the coolant level drops at all mate - if it doesn’t, the smoke is benign. If it does, cross that bridge when you get to it! Don’t waste any time investigating or worrying about a potential non-issue. 👍🏻
Happy to recommend Surrey Jag Centre in Redhill. They look after my X350 XJ8, and are really helpful, honest, and quick! Good luck getting the Jag sorted out.
From experience, I definitely don't think you have a head gasket issue. That slight mayo on the oil cap is just condensation, very very common this time of year. Same with the exhaust. These older cars have a better flow of gases than modern ones so they do have a bit more condensation coming out of the rear in winter. I would go for a couple hour drive, check the coolant and keep an eye on the temperature just to double check but I think you'll be fine
I've had a bit of mayo on my '03 E60 530i. I was convinced it was a dead head gasket when I was getting misfires. It was actually just dead coils. BMW independent workshop said that the gasket was fine.
I wouldn't think he had hedgasket as well but the car did overheat I think when the expansion tank gave way. Those early AJV8s don't take well to overheating. Although I'm not sure how trustworthy those block leak testers are I had a car with a definite head gasket failure and my block lead tester always passed.
Worked at Jaguar for 31 years on Research and development and the S-type was one of the cars i worked on, owned a few and loved them. Great cars but did have a few underlying faults, the eletrics was a big one as it was pretty advanced for its time. one tip to you would be if you have eletric gemlins and faults coming up like gearbox fault or ABS fault check the battery 1st as soon as battery starts to go it throws up loads of untrue errors, good luck great seeing you working on it brings back loads of memorys of all the work I have done on them
I agree. Car sounds slightly hesitant to start. Chuck a new battery on probably hasn't had one for years. I've just replaced the battery on my old XK8 and haven't had any warning lights was getting some random ones. Also anti-trap window was playing up. I do have a misfire though but that's just a coil pack I changed one before but this time I'll change seven as they're probably all on the way out. Quite fancy an XJ in the future preferably a super V8.
Give it a gud service! Fuel/oil filter! Fuel cleaner additive and a product called k seal for ur coolant prob!... this product is brilliant! Make sure u add enough 4ur coolant system capacity! An excellent Fuel cleaner that inhibits moisture is lucks or liqui moly!... of course there are others also...just check for urself! Godbless!😁👌👍
A weak/life expired battery will definitely trigger false error reports. My 2005 3.0 had auto handbrake issues, making me call out the AA on two occasions to release the handbrake before I got the battery tip. Bought a heavy duty battery and my troubles were over. Your "smoke" appears to be condensate (i.e. steam) and is common on older engine designs, especially largeish engines. Nothing to worry about.
I used steel seal and it worked on my 2000 polo. Spoke to my mechanic and he said you'll still see water coming out as the exhaust needs to dry out. Done a few thousand miles it in and touch wood it's still running great. Picked the car up for £550, previous owner wasn't aware of the head gasket issue as an unscrupulous garage just took the thermostat out and charged him £180!. I've had the cambelt replaced and serviced it myself. Plenty of life still left in it.
I used steel seal on my 1993 Subaru. It lasted a year and definitley did work. My advice is just drive the car easy. Eventually I saved up enough to have my head gaskets changed but that £40 bottle allowed me to keep driving another year without issues 👍
Normal combustion process produces something like 10% water, so the white "smoke" you are seeing is normal, especially in this cold weather. The fact that your sniffer test stayed blue may indicate that there was a slight head gasket leak which you may have now fixed. Just keep an eye on the coolant level as you drive the car and check that it doesn't move. Don't forget to add the correct antifreeze/corrosion inhibitor for your engine!
White smoke (steam?) out the back is nothing to worry about this time of year- go outside and breath out - you will see it - same theory with the car - your breath and exhaust is warmer than the air so will be visible. The small amount of mayonnaise on oil filler cap is probably just condensation , pretty normal if you have used car on a lot of short runs - never gets warm enough to burn it off, wipe it off and take it for a long run and check again, as long as the oil itself doesn’t look creamy you are probably ok.
Steel seal only works if you follow the instructions on the bottle. The car needs to be stone cold, not 3/4 hours cool. Also, you then have to warm up the car once you've put in steel seal. Switch it off after it gets warm, then leave it until the engine is stone cold again. Which takes about 12 hours, not 3/4 hours.
From what you describe I would change the expansion vessel cap, flush the coolant and change the thermostat. Also look at the pump. I have had a lot of Jags and maintaied them myself. If stood for a while and run you can have thich mayonnaise on the cap. It clears. White smoke clears ignore it at present. Additives are a no no which if you work on the car you will realise why. It can stop equipment working. Check the heater matrix as the smell might be due to a leak, and lastly only top up with coolant either premixed or using a mix with distilled water. if there was a HG issue the car would run badly.
no need for stone cold at either end; you'd change those timings if you knew that sodium silicate TURNS TO GLASS at 93ºC ; from this, you can do a # timing study ALSO,if your thermostat ih higher than 93ºC, do EMPTY the system after 10 minutes!!!!! you see, the ENTIRE bottle will then start to turn to glass INSIDE the cooling jackets with bad results; the car will still be good for very slow drivings,but IF you floor it,for long, you may crack the block/head, because the places where the glass is gets NO coolant have been using NA2SiO3 for decades;IT WORKS!!!!!
Hi, TH-cam just randomly showed me your video... I was a Jaguar master tech at 4 main dealers from 1995 to 2015. I think I can remember doing ONE head gasket on a V8, it was not common and I dont remember seeing many others being done either. Maybe now that they are another 7 years older, or if the car has been stood for a long time it would be more likely than back then... The tiny bit of `mayo` on the oil cap you show is not a concern, that is so small it could just be from condensation. Water pumps and thermostats caused overheating , over cooling and leaks. The dual control coolant valve and its wiring caused interior temp problems. There is an electric water pump that can fail and cause overheating. Expansion bottles cracked and all hoses swelled, blew off and generally leaked. I def would not have put any `miracle cure` additive in it, especially if you want to keep it... Good luck.
Interestingly Chris Fix did a head gasket sealer group test on a V6 Jag. He did a before and after tear down of the engine to show how the sealer works and it was still holding after 2 years.
Hello, done this a few times before myself. It does work but not always straight away. You havent done the final step in the instructions either. Youve forgotten to let the engine completely cool again before trying again to see if head gasket leak is cured , this step is important. Once you leave the car over night and use it again next morning , it will be fine. Dont forget to warn people to be very wary of messing with scolding hot water that can blow straight out of the expansion tank at you if your not careful especially with head gasket problems.. Hope this helps. happy motoring.
That's brilliant stuff it saved a 53 plate Clio 182 , checked oil and removed cap and it was milky as hell and on dipstick , needless to say I did at least another 14000 miles car was spot on.
Steal Seal works very well if used as per instructions. I used it on the notorious K series engine in an MGF and it solved the head issue, I sold the car 4 months later and I still see it at various car events and it still hasn't had a gasket replacement, that was 6+ years ago when used steak seal, a thumbs up from me for the project
I had very same issue with my volvo xc90...put vehicle into my local Volvo Dealer they diagnosed "Head Gasket" Paid them £2000 to replace head gasket....and the problem continued.Not happy I gave car back to Volvo and they then diagnosed a fault in the bottom block(engine)...and quoted me another £6000 to repair. Obviously I was incensed with their incompetence having already paid them £2000....local garage mechanic I know suggested £24 bottle of Steel Seal which I did and it fixed the coolant problem. By the way I used to own an S type 3.0SE.Great car.never had any problems with it.good luck with Steel Seal.
Don’t worry about the condensation from the tailpipes , if it’s been wetting the exhaust for ages will take some drying out also it’s a big engine and it’s winter
In my experience, there's only 1 way to cure a head gasket fault....and it involves removing the head(s) and replacing the gasket(s) Check for head cracks at the same time
Had headgasket failure in my 2.5 Stype. It was cheaper to source an engine and swap it. I got an engine with half the miles for £600. It had just been serviced too with new long life plugs and new coil packs.
You need properly breed the coolant, as there is air in the system, thus the level goes down. The oil cap can be creamery because of the condensation, you need to check the oil on the dipstick if that’s has sighs of water, not the oil cap.
The white " smoke" You're describing is basically steam due to the cold weather. The smell from the heater could be due to a slight leak from the heater matrix or the pipes attached to the matrix however the " stop leak " you put in the expansion tank may even cure that leak. I would suggest you get the cooling system pressure tested either at a garage or try and buy a pressure tester and do it yourself. Good luck 👍
Hi Joel, the white fumes are often caused by water collecting in the exhaust system and when the weather is properly cold you'll see white condensation fumes. My advice ? Take it for a 20 mins drive to allow the engine and all it's components are fully warmed through, using a reasonable amount of throttle once warmed up. It won't fully warm up on tickover and stationary, irrespective of what the temp gauge says. I'm not seeing any of the classic blown gasket signs : mayonnaise; bubbles in the coolant header tank; loads of white smoke; temp gauge in the red.
The combustion process produces steam hence the white "smoke", so this is normal. Possibility that head gasket is leaking into one cylinder and externally hence antifreeze staining on block and levels dropping. You normally also get a slight miss fire on start up. Instant fixes only last a short time (enough to sell the car). Get a cylinder compression test done, this might identify a leak but better to pull the spark plugs and check for rust. If it is a leaking head gasket, it will get worse and lead to rapid overheating. Solution is top end overhaul. Heads off, skimmed if required, valves seated and seals/gaskets replaced. Always replace cam belt (or chain tensioner) thermostat and water pump. £800 and upwards unless you get mates rates. Good luck. Carl.
At the beginning of the vid, it showed your drive with moss between the blocks. To clear, get a hoselock lance sprayer, 4 litres of water, 1 litre of bleach and a good squirt of washing up liquid. It works a treat! Good luck with the S Type!
The white smoke is very likely to be the normal winter condensation. I have lots of problems with AJ26 SC engine cooling system last year. From experience, if you're worrying about the cooling system, I'd say the first step is to do a cooling system pressure test to identify any water hose leak. It's worth noting that some water hose damages might not be found by doing pressure test on a cold system, because some weird rubber pipe leaks only happen when the system is warm. Once you're assure all water pipes are fine, it'd be better to check the radiator as insufficient or blocked radiator can cause coolant to come out from expansion tank simutaneously when turn off the engine. The sniff test results shoud be accurate. If the fluid remains blue, then there is no exhaust gas leak, proving steelseal did cure the minor headgasket issue. If both of your coolant and engine oil doesn't become melt milk chocolate, then you shouldn't have any further headgasket issue. Does the coolant leak, consumed or pumped out from the expansion tank at driving? I would keep an eye on the coolant level but drive it normally.
Hi Joel. Just finished reading all the comments, another 15 minutes of life I won't get back! I don't know much about the jag V8's, but I own a BMW V8 and know lots about those. Here is the honest and real deal. Apart from a couple of small things that may be wrong with your engine (causing minor coolant leaks) anything else will just not be financially viable. This is why all these V8 cars appear cheap, but really aren't. My advice would be this: adding the Steel Seal is not a wise move, I can't imagine any motor engineer worth his overalls advising you to use it. However, the secondary damage it will cause is probably a while away. The cooling system will definitely require bleeding, so talk to someone who knows the procedure for that engine and carry it out immediately. Forget about any super-serious long trips as the car cannot be trusted, make sure you are in the AA or RAC. Run it around as much as you can and monitor the coolant level once the system has been bled. If it is still losing coolant, a pressure test of the cooling system would not be too expensive and may show up some of the cheaper faults. Otherwise, forget about head gasket replacement, sell the car for whatever you can get.
Hi Joel. Take off the plastic engine cover and track down the source of the water "spitting" from under it. It may be connected with the repaired water pipe. See you in the next one. 👍👍
Like your style Joel, you're very open and honest in that you don't have a clue, likewise here mate. I'm definitely no mechanic but i do know this with being an old timer literally all cars (and I've owned many over the years) kick out the white smoke especially at this time of year so like a lot of the guys have said on here possibly nothing to be too concerned about. Have subscribed to your channel as i find your content interesting and you come across a very polite young gentleman. I know I've been no help to you whatsoever but i just thought I'd say those few words anyway. Keep the faith Joel. I have my fingers and legs crossed you get to the bottom of the issue, good luck mate!
Well said Angus. One thing Joel might not even realise is that he is contributing to the people in future that will have similar problems. TH-cam is invaluable for amateurs like ourselves trying to learn to look after our vehicles.
I have just done the steel seal on my car and it worked! Fantastic. Went from bad back pressure coolant bubbling and rising and hoses splitting from pressure to working normal
Looks like you have an air lock Joel. Suggest you drain the system fully, refill and bleed correctly. Take your time and familiarise yourself with the procedure and layout of the various pipes etc. Wait for a good day, take out for a long drive after. Top up as required, and repeat long trip. Good luck, love your vids
My Jag XF 3.0 V6 steams a lot. When stopped in traffic i notice it is more than other vehicles. No loss of power. No mayo on oil cap. I usually top up a cupful of coolant a month but i think that is the expansion tank valve that leaks. Nearly 150,000 miles o it now. Still going. So happy motoring.
I've used steel seal on my Mgf coolant to oil leak. You have to be stone cold, and run car up to temp, then further 30 mins at high idle if poss. And allow car to cool down over night, I noticed the best results after a few warm up, cool down cycles, seems to work it's magic doing this. Also a large coolant capacity in the Jag defo requires 2 bottles..
A cold vehicle emits white, gray or black smoke when first started due to condensation, but not after the vehicle is warmed up. When a vehicle is started, water is emitted in the form of a vapor. By the time the vapor hits the exhaust system it condenses, and becomes visible
No external leaks first, expansion tank caps is another cause coolant loss due to not pressuring the system correctly to achieve a higher boiling point of the coolant. Vauxhall engines "corsa d" run very hot and still produce a bit of condensation in cold weather which is normal.
I've used Steel seal in the past and had no problems long as you have read the instructions, some times 2 bottles are need depends on the litre capacity of your vehicle, just run as normal after. The white smoke might be just build up of water left behind in the exhaust. take the vehicle for a run. I've had great success using the stuff, then when ready get a gasket fitted in time, I would say it would be on how good or bad the fix is using Steel Seal, giving it this road test will show it, but always a have a back up plan just in case.
Just for info, water under pressure boils at a higher temperature than 100° (as designed to do so in a sealed engine coolant system). By running the engine with the expansion tank cap removed, the coolant system sensor will register a higher than normal temperature because it is not running presurised. This is why the water level rose in the expansion tank and the cooling fan came on whilst you performed the "blue test". Also, white smoke (water vapour) is very common in such a large capacity engine exhaust system, especially in the cold. Your engin is drawing in cold air with a high water content, all this is passing through the engine as well as the condensation in the exhaust due to cold air and hot surfaces. Hope that helps, Baz.
It might be worth checking if your car has an EGR-cooler that's leaking internally. EGR-cooler is basically a heat-excanger between exhaust and coolant. If it starts leaking, coolant leaks either directly to the exhaust system, or via intake/combustion. It's even possible that exhaust finds its' way to the cooling system in some cases.
Drive it for longer periods. Steel seal takes time to work. It's definitely nothing to worry about. Mayonnaise again is condensation. Drive it and enjoy it
I had this exact same problem with the water leaking out under pressure from the expansion tank on my 01 S-type. . I was lucky to have a very diligent mechanic who replaced all the hoses to the heater and the expansion tank. Please have a pressure test done on the cooling system as overheating the engine will have damaged the head gasket and you don't want that to happen again even if the additive worked. I have never had much luck with additives and just replaced head gaskets as I never felt confident in the engine again.
If one of the headgaskets had gone you would only have smoke out of one exhaust, unlikely that you have had both fail at same time... I'd also think that the system would be pressurising if a headgasket had failed.
i have had issues with head gaskets and my self have used steel seal and has always worked the white smoke from the exhaust your seeing is from the water thats left behind from it will clear after a while if the coolant level is fine and temp gauge is ok then the steel seal will have done its job hope this helps
It is normal for condensate in the exhaust, especially in humid conditions. My guess is that, since it takes time for combustion gasses to leak into the coolant on some gasket/head problems, keep checking as time goes by to see if you have stopped the leak. I have the same issue and plan to try Steel Seal as soon as I flush and replace the coolant. Good luck.
I've used a bars leak alumna seal on a Ford ranger with the 4.0 v6 pushrod engine. It solved a coolant leak and over heating problem. Bars sealant used to make a sealant that looked like liquids copper that worked for sealing a cracked cylinder head on a straight 6 chevy.
Loving all the jag content on TH-cam at the moment. I’m on an owners club on Facebook. Great amount of knowledge and quick fixes shared on there. Very helpful bunch. Keep at it
A coolant leak will usually produce a solid white smog. All I see is normal cold weather steam. Also, if separate exhausts, highly unlikely you would have blown both head gaskets.
I think there's a few important things I would mention from experience of owner both the early V8s and later V8s as well as general observations - as a lot of people have mentioned, I the cold weather its hard to determine whether smoke is anything serious or not. I would be concerned about the antifreeze residue on the cam cover gasket and the smell you describe. Burning antifreeze smells quite sweet, if that's what your getting it means coolant is escaping and burning on the engine block. These v8s have a number of flaws - firstly the thermostat housing and water pump are plastic and they crack with age, they sit right under the engine cover towards the front of the car. Secondly, there is a small rubber pipe that exits under the throttle body which is prone to split with heat/age usually resulting in coolant leaking from the back of the engine underneath the car, but only when hot. I would reccomend checking these items first - white in the oil cap again is indicative of condensation rather than head gasket - check the dip stick for white is a better bet of head gasket failure. Lastly, if you do any more major work, you really need to do the timing chain tensioners, they're also plastic and will fail, usually without warning resulting in engine failure
I have slight condensation under the oil cap of my E46 BMW 318i. After driving it about for a good long run it disappears. Honestly, it has to be a vast quantity of sludge and gunk if that were to be a head gasket problem.
Used it on my s type 30000 miles ago worked a treat after gasket fault pressured coolant system. MAKE sure you flush old coolant out clean out the rad and then clean it again .then follow on line instructions. Only issue I had was one it killed the heater control valve, swapped it out for new one
I have used this stuff on my son's fiat Punto because there was bubbles appearing in the system. It worked fine in his car .He once brought a Vauxhall Corsa 1200 cc that had mayo on the oil cap but that wasn't a head gasket. To be honest I wouldn't put any shit in my cars as if I'm keeping them , which I do till they are no longer worth spending money on . I would just do the head gasket as it isn't that much work . Just make sure you keep an eye on your timing settings and don't try to do short cuts . It's a pain to clean that stuff out the system if you need to as it coats everything.
Steel Steel works very well.....I used it on 2.5turbo diesel 1989.....I emptied some water out of system so level was below expansion tank hence getting Steel seal straight in to cooling system...then topped up water... the cylinder head was sealed straight away...but 2 months later I had issues again...I then repeated with another Steel seal and it has held firm for 25000 miles and counting 😀 hope this helps
I bought an ST220 in the summer of 2010 and come winter time, on a cold day it used to chuff out cartoonish amounts of white steam from the exhausts, even after it was thoroughly warmed up and been driven for miles. It was almost embarrassing in traffic queues This initially alarmed me, Ford V6’s don’t have a great history for head gaskets (although the 3.0 is much less affected) but after reading of other owners reporting the same thing I decided to just ignore it and hope for the best Had it for 10 years and put 80k miles on it and never had any problems…well, not with the head gaskets at least, I had plenty of other problems which are a whole other story… My advice is just drive it and unless it’s still losing coolant or overheating, don’t worry about it
I highly recommend Tom Lenthall Ltd if the Wokingham area isn't too far for you, Tom and the team are very knowledgeable on both modern and classic Jags. Also used by Harry's Garage on the XJC resto👍
Genuinely don’t worry about the white smoke from your exhaust, that’s only condensation & heat mixing. Think of heat coming out of your boiler flue you don’t really see it in the summer same as with your exhaust smoke. In terms of the cream/white on the oil cap that’s minimal only condensation again this time of year I’ve had cars with almost like a lemon yoghurt in the cap. I think you may have another slight coolant leak from a hose again in an awkward spot. Buy a cheap borrescope from Amazon & have a look around the engine. In future don’t rush to put a sealer in a suspected head gasket get a compression test done first
I reckon you got a perished hose somewhere and it’s leaking enough to drop the coolant but not enough for you to notice on the drive / floor or it could be leaking on to the exhaust , down pipe/ manifold and it’s burning away so you don’t notice it this could also explain the burning smell in the car
Joel, I can't believe you used that steel seal head gasket repair. Such a pity. That is the ultimate bodge! Now your whole cooling system and heater matrix etc will be gunged up with that stuff forever. What a pity. That is what you use if you have a £500 car you just want to limp on for a few weeks. Frankly, I would cut your losses and sell this as spares and repairs and tell them what is wrong with it. I reckon you will get £750 to £800 and just cut your losses. You can not run a car like that using £30 bottles of gunge. If you can't look after it yourself, which alas it appears you can't, it just is NOT viable. You are far better off buying a good car than a lemon that has never ending issues. The 3.0 V6 is a good car. You can get a really good 3.0 V6 for 2k. Easily. It breaks my heart you are so fixated on a 4.0 V8 you are doing this to yourself. Just get rid of it. And the 'white smoke' is actually called steam! The car is a LEMON. Do NOT spend any more money on it. Just get rid of it. It was cheap because it is a lemon.
Hi Joel, I wouldn't worry about the steam from the exhaust but the loss of coolant should be checked with a pressure test. I wouldn't have put that stuff in the coolant. Good luck 🤞
I used k seal on my wife old rover 25 1.8 automatic. Kept the car 2 years with out issues. What I would suggest is drive the car as much as you can and keep an eye on the coolant level if it doesn’t drop you know it will be fine. I have not had much to do with the v8 but I know older jag’s suffer a lot with steam out of the exhaust if driven gently. And needed to go for a spirited drive from time to time. Old xj6 use to be terrible so what owners were told was to do was hold in the lower gear’s and under load and at full operating temperature hold up on the red line change’s
Looks like condensation Joel. Take the plastic engine covers off to see where that other coolant residue was coming from. That is a big win that it is not the head gasket.
As a point of information, we have an old BMW Z3 that has all the white steam signs of a bad gasket, as well as lots of white goo in the oil around the cap. However, the car does not use any coolant (been like this for over 15 years)... it's plainly due to the car running short trips all the time, it takes hours of driving to get rid of all the steam--it does go away eventually. Looks like you have fixed it (for now). I have over the years had a few cars where the sniff test has gone yellow. Another symptom of the problem is coolant leaks all over the place as the pressure destroys the system. Coolant that rises and then falls as the thermostat opens is another sign as the gas from the engine displaces coolant in the block before the thermostat opens. In my cases, I removed the head and replaced the gasket etc etc etc. If you want to keep a car for a long time then a head gasket failure is a good excuse to address many potential issues at the top end of the motor and valve train. However, on a car like that Jag its going to be days and days of work which will cost way more than the value of the car unless you can do it all yourself.
I used a bottle of rad weld on my diesel smart run around after my coolant leaked all over the floor. A bottle down the expansion tank and a few miles later it was sealed. No issues since and maintaining coolant levels
Well the temperature seems stable even after a long period sitting idling. We have a 3ltr straight six BMW and it pumps out condensation under almost any condition, however, it does stop after a decent run, I mean a 100 mile decent run. .... the car performs really well, it's ultra reliable, the coolant level doesn't change and there's a tiny residue under the oil filler cap. The fans rarely kick in and there's absolutely no signs of overheating. We are at a loss to understand the issue but perhaps there isn't one. Ours has been doing this for the past 10k miles so I can only assume it's water vapour from burning the petrol. We think it's the design of the exhaust which might have something to do with it, i.e, the backend of the pipe isn't getting hot enough so condensation forms. I can't say for certain but I have heard 1 gallon of petrol produces 1 gallon of water. That number might be wrong but at least a fair amount of water is produced whilst burning fuel. Finally, simply because there's a tiny amount of sludge in the oil cap it doesn't mean a head gasket failure. Swarf is produced as a result of vapour in the fuel and oil in the block. From my experience I think your Jag looks perfectly fine.
I wouldn't worry to much about "smoke" its normal and its condensation my S-Type does it as well on wet days just drive it around and see what the coolant does also if you want to 100% confirm a hedgasket I'd suggest sending an oil sample for analysis
The v6 and v8 Jags always give off what looks like white smoke from exhaust - my S-Type does it even though I definitely don't have a coolant issue because I never ever have to top up (not even slightly).
Water vapour is a normal part of the exhaust gases, so steam from the exhaust when idling is perfectly normal, especially on a cold day. Before you spend any more time and money on it, try driving the Jag around and see if the coolant level stays the same.
I think the reason your fan came on was with the cap off it reduced the pressure in the cooling system. By putting the cooling system under pressure it increases the point at which water boils. That’s why the rad cap is set at 8 lbs or so. It allows for higher temps before it boils.
Work for jaguar as a tech for over 25 years,never had a head gasket issues with this engine...started on xj40 all the way upto new I pace..misfire generally down to the coils as water drips into the rear ones by the bulkhead from scuttle
I had a Honda with a head gasket leak and the garage used leak sel. I drove the car without any symptoms for a few 1000 miles but the overheating started again. I tried leak seal again but it didn't work. I'm afraid I sold it to a dealer who I told about the problem and bought another car. Motto - it must depend on how bad the gasket is broken .Hope yours worked out better as lovely car and engine.
I’ve got a 2018 2.0tfsi Audi a5. When I got it I was concerned at the white smoke out the tail pipe - loads even in the summer. However it’s not used a drop of oil or water in 2 years and been given a clean bill of health by Audi a few times now. So I think it’s just normal for some cars
I was very sceptical about steal seal. I used it on a 4 cylinder Omega about 3 months ago and the car gas now done 4000 miles with no issues. Believe it or not, i have another Omega that had head gasket failure late last year - mayonnaise oil and misfiring and water loss, purely out of interested i used it on that one too (also 4 cylinder) and i can't believe it worked on that one too 😮
That is nothing but condensation from the exhaust. Sounds like you've got a coolant leak especially with that pink staining you found.. thats condensation on your oil cap too. a very little amount to !
Back then in the early 2000s, GM produced the Northstar V8 that had major Head Gasket Issues. The later released something called "GM Sealant Tabs". You can try these if it doesnt work on the long run.
I would say you do have a gasket issue as you said the coolant raised and the fan kicked in which mean there was an air pocket and the pcm thought it was hotter than it was. The fact the sniff test is now blue says it should be okay now, but I’d personally rag it up the road, make sure the coolant is bang on level before you set off, and then check it after the rag, obviously take the cap off but be careful as it’ll be pressurised !! And see if it rises to the level again. If it does, happy days. If not then do another sniff test.
Joel! Fantastic content as always, between you and a few other TH-camrs you guys were the main driving force behind my purchase of a 2000 Jaguar XJ 4.0 V8. Exactly the same engine as in your S-type! Now my car, and engine are sorted, hopefully I can now return some useful information. The white exhaust smoke is nothing to worry about, time or year large capacity engines etc. it’s to be expected. My daily XF 5.0 V8 is just as bad!! To note though, a quirk with those engines is the upstream O2 sensors can fail without even throwing an engine warning light. Stupid I know, but could be contributing to your emissions you can see if they have given up the ghost. Mine packed up on both banks without any warning lights! The fluctuating coolant level, especially when the radiator fan cuts in would suggest to me a stuck or sticking thermostat, another weak area on these engines, the plastic thermostat housing can also break. Now ally replacements can be found. Lastly, these engines love to trash cam-cover gaskets, which leak onto the hot exhaust manifold heat shields. When the car is warm and the blowers are on, the burning smell makes its way straight to your nostrils!! Last point, you could do worse than checking out Autoreserve Jaguar, I can’t remember where they are based but they are a great team. All the best, keep going with the great content!!
White vapour coming out the tail pipes can be very misleading at this time of year: similarly mayo in the filler cap can be because the car is not being run at working temp for long enough.
I have an XF 3.0 V6 petrol and it's always had hwite smoke even after a long journey at idle it smokes but no problems so maybe don't worry to much about the smoke mate
Definitely get a pressure test kit. Similar price to the bottle of sealant. If it holds 15psi for 10 minutes cold there is unlikely to be a leak. If it drops you have a leak, just a matter of finding it. If the coolant level drops every time after driving it's got a problem that needs fixing. Good luck,no loss of coolant for 3 years on my s type 4.0.
If you have a burning smell in the cabin, may be a leaking heater matrix - not had a Jag, but had that in other cars. Sometimes it smells like a musty faintly curry smell, from the anti freeze.
If it doesn't overheat when driving it it's fine. Just have a good breakdown service on standby. All Jags make steam out the exhausts especially in cold weather.
Go give it a good drive and see how it gets on, just remember a sealing substance is not a permanent fix and that it will now be gumming up all your cooling system. If you want a job doing, do it properly first time, temp fixes and boddges make more work in the long run.
I love this community, your suggestions and comments are invaluable! Let’s work together to get this Jag back to health!
I would keep driving it and check if the coolant level drops at all mate - if it doesn’t, the smoke is benign. If it does, cross that bridge when you get to it! Don’t waste any time investigating or worrying about a potential non-issue. 👍🏻
Happy to recommend Surrey Jag Centre in Redhill. They look after my X350 XJ8, and are really helpful, honest, and quick! Good luck getting the Jag sorted out.
Cracking V8 keep the faith 🙏
Drive it enjoy it and see what happens 👍
We love you Katy & Lando! Let’s do this!
From experience, I definitely don't think you have a head gasket issue. That slight mayo on the oil cap is just condensation, very very common this time of year. Same with the exhaust. These older cars have a better flow of gases than modern ones so they do have a bit more condensation coming out of the rear in winter. I would go for a couple hour drive, check the coolant and keep an eye on the temperature just to double check but I think you'll be fine
I've had a bit of mayo on my '03 E60 530i. I was convinced it was a dead head gasket when I was getting misfires.
It was actually just dead coils.
BMW independent workshop said that the gasket was fine.
I wouldn't think he had hedgasket as well but the car did overheat I think when the expansion tank gave way. Those early AJV8s don't take well to overheating. Although I'm not sure how trustworthy those block leak testers are I had a car with a definite head gasket failure and my block lead tester always passed.
Yea a tiny bit of mayo on the cap can be condensation and the same with the exhaust. My old e46 does it every winter without fail.
But the first block test confirms he is getting CO2 into his coolant system?
I would say so.
Worked at Jaguar for 31 years on Research and development and the S-type was one of the cars i worked on, owned a few and loved them. Great cars but did have a few underlying faults, the eletrics was a big one as it was pretty advanced for its time. one tip to you would be if you have eletric gemlins and faults coming up like gearbox fault or ABS fault check the battery 1st as soon as battery starts to go it throws up loads of untrue errors, good luck great seeing you working on it brings back loads of memorys of all the work I have done on them
I agree. Car sounds slightly hesitant to start. Chuck a new battery on probably hasn't had one for years. I've just replaced the battery on my old XK8 and haven't had any warning lights was getting some random ones. Also anti-trap window was playing up. I do have a misfire though but that's just a coil pack I changed one before but this time I'll change seven as they're probably all on the way out. Quite fancy an XJ in the future preferably a super V8.
Sometimes earthing faults cause electrical gremlins too.
Give it a gud service! Fuel/oil filter! Fuel cleaner additive and a product called k seal for ur coolant prob!... this product is brilliant! Make sure u add enough 4ur coolant system capacity! An excellent Fuel cleaner that inhibits moisture is lucks or liqui moly!... of course there are others also...just check for urself! Godbless!😁👌👍
A weak/life expired battery will definitely trigger false error reports. My 2005 3.0 had auto handbrake issues, making me call out the AA on two occasions to release the handbrake before I got the battery tip. Bought a heavy duty battery and my troubles were over. Your "smoke" appears to be condensate (i.e. steam) and is common on older engine designs, especially largeish engines. Nothing to worry about.
I used steel seal and it worked on my 2000 polo. Spoke to my mechanic and he said you'll still see water coming out as the exhaust needs to dry out. Done a few thousand miles it in and touch wood it's still running great. Picked the car up for £550, previous owner wasn't aware of the head gasket issue as an unscrupulous garage just took the thermostat out and charged him £180!. I've had the cambelt replaced and serviced it myself. Plenty of life still left in it.
I used steel seal on my 1993 Subaru. It lasted a year and definitley did work. My advice is just drive the car easy. Eventually I saved up enough to have my head gaskets changed but that £40 bottle allowed me to keep driving another year without issues 👍
Normal combustion process produces something like 10% water, so the white "smoke" you are seeing is normal, especially in this cold weather. The fact that your sniffer test stayed blue may indicate that there was a slight head gasket leak which you may have now fixed. Just keep an eye on the coolant level as you drive the car and check that it doesn't move. Don't forget to add the correct antifreeze/corrosion inhibitor for your engine!
White smoke (steam?) out the back is nothing to worry about this time of year- go outside and breath out - you will see it - same theory with the car - your breath and exhaust is warmer than the air so will be visible. The small amount of mayonnaise on oil filler cap is probably just condensation , pretty normal if you have used car on a lot of short runs - never gets warm enough to burn it off, wipe it off and take it for a long run and check again, as long as the oil itself doesn’t look creamy you are probably ok.
Steel seal only works if you follow the instructions on the bottle. The car needs to be stone cold, not 3/4 hours cool. Also, you then have to warm up the car once you've put in steel seal. Switch it off after it gets warm, then leave it until the engine is stone cold again. Which takes about 12 hours, not 3/4 hours.
You forgot the most important part, The For Sale sign in 24 Hours after application...
It worked on my Vivaro , think I caught it in time
From what you describe I would change the expansion vessel cap, flush the coolant and change the thermostat. Also look at the pump. I have had a lot of Jags and maintaied them myself. If stood for a while and run you can have thich mayonnaise on the cap. It clears. White smoke clears ignore it at present. Additives are a no no which if you work on the car you will realise why. It can stop equipment working. Check the heater matrix as the smell might be due to a leak, and lastly only top up with coolant either premixed or using a mix with distilled water. if there was a HG issue the car would run badly.
@@mikemeyjes4564 "only top up with coolant either premixed or using a mix with distilled water" - why so, why not pure coolant?
no need for stone cold at either end; you'd change those timings if you knew that sodium silicate TURNS TO GLASS at 93ºC ; from this, you can do a # timing study
ALSO,if your thermostat ih higher than 93ºC, do EMPTY the system after 10 minutes!!!!! you see, the ENTIRE bottle will then start to turn to glass INSIDE the cooling jackets with bad results; the car will still be good for very slow drivings,but IF you floor it,for long, you may crack the block/head, because the places where the glass is gets NO coolant
have been using NA2SiO3 for decades;IT WORKS!!!!!
Hi, TH-cam just randomly showed me your video... I was a Jaguar master tech at 4 main dealers from 1995 to 2015. I think I can remember doing ONE head gasket on a V8, it was not common and I dont remember seeing many others being done either. Maybe now that they are another 7 years older, or if the car has been stood for a long time it would be more likely than back then... The tiny bit of `mayo` on the oil cap you show is not a concern, that is so small it could just be from condensation. Water pumps and thermostats caused overheating , over cooling and leaks. The dual control coolant valve and its wiring caused interior temp problems. There is an electric water pump that can fail and cause overheating. Expansion bottles cracked and all hoses swelled, blew off and generally leaked. I def would not have put any `miracle cure` additive in it, especially if you want to keep it... Good luck.
Interestingly Chris Fix did a head gasket sealer group test on a V6 Jag. He did a before and after tear down of the engine to show how the sealer works and it was still holding after 2 years.
Hello, done this a few times before myself. It does work but not always straight away. You havent done the final step in the instructions either. Youve forgotten to let the engine completely cool again before trying again to see if head gasket leak is cured , this step is important. Once you leave the car over night and use it again next morning , it will be fine. Dont forget to warn people to be very wary of messing with scolding hot water that can blow straight out of the expansion tank at you if your not careful especially with head gasket problems.. Hope this helps. happy motoring.
That's brilliant stuff it saved a 53 plate Clio 182 , checked oil and removed cap and it was milky as hell and on dipstick , needless to say I did at least another 14000 miles car was spot on.
Steal Seal works very well if used as per instructions. I used it on the notorious K series engine in an MGF and it solved the head issue, I sold the car 4 months later and I still see it at various car events and it still hasn't had a gasket replacement, that was 6+ years ago when used steak seal, a thumbs up from me for the project
I’ve used steel seal on many cars and have had great results with only one fail and that was on an old BM 7 series
Perhaps the white smoke out the exhaust is because of the low winter temperature outside these days
I had very same issue with my volvo xc90...put vehicle into my local Volvo Dealer they diagnosed "Head Gasket"
Paid them £2000 to replace head gasket....and the problem continued.Not happy I gave car back to Volvo and they then diagnosed a fault in the bottom block(engine)...and quoted me another £6000 to repair.
Obviously I was incensed with their incompetence having already paid them £2000....local garage mechanic I know suggested £24 bottle of Steel Seal which I did and it fixed the coolant problem.
By the way I used to own an S type 3.0SE.Great car.never had any problems with it.good luck with Steel Seal.
I used to use E&E services, a Jaguar Specialist in Milton Keynes. They always did a good job on my Jaguar S-Type
I had.
Don’t worry about the condensation from the tailpipes , if it’s been wetting the exhaust for ages will take some drying out also it’s a big engine and it’s winter
Exactly what I was about to comment. Could take weeks to dry out the exhaust system, and only if you drive decent distances.
Quite right, my thoughts exactly!!
Steam is from all the moisture in the exhaust and cats after a leaking head gasket, it will take some time to clear!
In my experience, there's only 1 way to cure a head gasket fault....and it involves removing the head(s) and replacing the gasket(s)
Check for head cracks at the same time
Had headgasket failure in my 2.5 Stype. It was cheaper to source an engine and swap it. I got an engine with half the miles for £600. It had just been serviced too with new long life plugs and new coil packs.
@@jamesk1806 something to consider then
Agreed.these additives are just delaying the inevitable
@aquariumaddickuk yep, also if there's a leak from the head, there could be other issues that require attention
You need properly breed the coolant, as there is air in the system, thus the level goes down. The oil cap can be creamery because of the condensation, you need to check the oil on the dipstick if that’s has sighs of water, not the oil cap.
I was gonna say the same
Saved my 2.5 S Type and ran perfect for another 2 years. Good stuff. 👍 took two bottles though
The white " smoke" You're describing is basically steam due to the cold weather.
The smell from the heater could be due to a slight leak from the heater matrix or the pipes attached to the matrix however the " stop leak " you put in the expansion tank may even cure that leak.
I would suggest you get the cooling system pressure tested either at a garage or try and buy a pressure tester and do it yourself.
Good luck 👍
I reckon the same. Heater matrix has a slight leak. Maybe just a cracked feed or exit pipe.
Hi Joel, the white fumes are often caused by water collecting in the exhaust system and when the weather is properly cold you'll see white condensation fumes.
My advice ? Take it for a 20 mins drive to allow the engine and all it's components are fully warmed through, using a reasonable amount of throttle once warmed up. It won't fully warm up on tickover and stationary, irrespective of what the temp gauge says.
I'm not seeing any of the classic blown gasket signs : mayonnaise; bubbles in the coolant header tank; loads of white smoke; temp gauge in the red.
The combustion process produces steam hence the white "smoke", so this is normal. Possibility that head gasket is leaking into one cylinder and externally hence antifreeze staining on block and levels dropping. You normally also get a slight miss fire on start up. Instant fixes only last a short time (enough to sell the car). Get a cylinder compression test done, this might identify a leak but better to pull the spark plugs and check for rust.
If it is a leaking head gasket, it will get worse and lead to rapid overheating. Solution is top end overhaul. Heads off, skimmed if required, valves seated and seals/gaskets replaced. Always replace cam belt (or chain tensioner) thermostat and water pump. £800 and upwards unless you get mates rates. Good luck. Carl.
The white smoke is condensation and the rear exhaust boxes with water in them. It needs a good long run.
At the beginning of the vid, it showed your drive with moss between the blocks. To clear, get a hoselock lance sprayer, 4 litres of water, 1 litre of bleach and a good squirt of washing up liquid. It works a treat!
Good luck with the S Type!
The white smoke is very likely to be the normal winter condensation. I have lots of problems with AJ26 SC engine cooling system last year. From experience, if you're worrying about the cooling system, I'd say the first step is to do a cooling system pressure test to identify any water hose leak. It's worth noting that some water hose damages might not be found by doing pressure test on a cold system, because some weird rubber pipe leaks only happen when the system is warm. Once you're assure all water pipes are fine, it'd be better to check the radiator as insufficient or blocked radiator can cause coolant to come out from expansion tank simutaneously when turn off the engine. The sniff test results shoud be accurate. If the fluid remains blue, then there is no exhaust gas leak, proving steelseal did cure the minor headgasket issue. If both of your coolant and engine oil doesn't become melt milk chocolate, then you shouldn't have any further headgasket issue. Does the coolant leak, consumed or pumped out from the expansion tank at driving? I would keep an eye on the coolant level but drive it normally.
Hi Joel. Just finished reading all the comments, another 15 minutes of life I won't get back! I don't know much about the jag V8's, but I own a BMW V8 and know lots about those. Here is the honest and real deal. Apart from a couple of small things that may be wrong with your engine (causing minor coolant leaks) anything else will just not be financially viable. This is why all these V8 cars appear cheap, but really aren't. My advice would be this: adding the Steel Seal is not a wise move, I can't imagine any motor engineer worth his overalls advising you to use it. However, the secondary damage it will cause is probably a while away. The cooling system will definitely require bleeding, so talk to someone who knows the procedure for that engine and carry it out immediately. Forget about any super-serious long trips as the car cannot be trusted, make sure you are in the AA or RAC. Run it around as much as you can and monitor the coolant level once the system has been bled. If it is still losing coolant, a pressure test of the cooling system would not be too expensive and may show up some of the cheaper faults. Otherwise, forget about head gasket replacement, sell the car for whatever you can get.
My Granada V6 blows white smoke this time of year even when hot but gaskets are fine . Don't worry about the smoke if your water level stays up .
Hi Joel. Take off the plastic engine cover and track down the source of the water "spitting" from under it. It may be connected with the repaired water pipe. See you in the next one. 👍👍
I used steel seal on a Citroen C5 mk2 taxi with 550000 miles that boiled every 5 miles. Cured it and I sold it at 740000. Brilliant stuff
Like your style Joel, you're very open and honest in that you don't have a clue, likewise here mate. I'm definitely no mechanic but i do know this with being an old timer literally all cars (and I've owned many over the years) kick out the white smoke especially at this time of year so like a lot of the guys have said on here possibly nothing to be too concerned about. Have subscribed to your channel as i find your content interesting and you come across a very polite young gentleman. I know I've been no help to you whatsoever but i just thought I'd say those few words anyway. Keep the faith Joel. I have my fingers and legs crossed you get to the bottom of the issue, good luck mate!
Well said Angus. One thing Joel might not even realise is that he is contributing to the people in future that will have similar problems. TH-cam is invaluable for amateurs like ourselves trying to learn to look after our vehicles.
@@seanlaverty40 exactly, and long may it continue 👍
I have just done the steel seal on my car and it worked! Fantastic. Went from bad back pressure coolant bubbling and rising and hoses splitting from pressure to working normal
Looks like you have an air lock Joel. Suggest you drain the system fully, refill and bleed correctly. Take your time and familiarise yourself with the procedure and layout of the various pipes etc. Wait for a good day, take out for a long drive after. Top up as required, and repeat long trip. Good luck, love your vids
A little water out of the exhaust is fairly normal. Love what you are doing. Good luck with the car.
My Jag XF 3.0 V6 steams a lot. When stopped in traffic i notice it is more than other vehicles. No loss of power. No mayo on oil cap. I usually top up a cupful of coolant a month but i think that is the expansion tank valve that leaks. Nearly 150,000 miles o it now. Still going.
So happy motoring.
I've used steel seal on my Mgf coolant to oil leak.
You have to be stone cold, and run car up to temp, then further 30 mins at high idle if poss.
And allow car to cool down over night, I noticed the best results after a few warm up, cool down cycles, seems to work it's magic doing this.
Also a large coolant capacity in the Jag defo requires 2 bottles..
A cold vehicle emits white, gray or black smoke when first started due to condensation, but not after the vehicle is warmed up. When a vehicle is started, water is emitted in the form of a vapor. By the time the vapor hits the exhaust system it condenses, and becomes visible
No external leaks first, expansion tank caps is another cause coolant loss due to not pressuring the system correctly to achieve a higher boiling point of the coolant. Vauxhall engines "corsa d" run very hot and still produce a bit of condensation in cold weather which is normal.
I've used Steel seal in the past and had no problems long as you have read the instructions, some times 2 bottles are need depends on the litre capacity of your vehicle, just run as normal after. The white smoke might be just build up of water left behind in the exhaust. take the vehicle for a run. I've had great success using the stuff, then when ready get a gasket fitted in time, I would say it would be on how good or bad the fix is using Steel Seal, giving it this road test will show it, but always a have a back up plan just in case.
Just for info, water under pressure boils at a higher temperature than 100° (as designed to do so in a sealed engine coolant system). By running the engine with the expansion tank cap removed, the coolant system sensor will register a higher than normal temperature because it is not running presurised. This is why the water level rose in the expansion tank and the cooling fan came on whilst you performed the "blue test". Also, white smoke (water vapour) is very common in such a large capacity engine exhaust system, especially in the cold. Your engin is drawing in cold air with a high water content, all this is passing through the engine as well as the condensation in the exhaust due to cold air and hot surfaces. Hope that helps, Baz.
It might be worth checking if your car has an EGR-cooler that's leaking internally. EGR-cooler is basically a heat-excanger between exhaust and coolant. If it starts leaking, coolant leaks either directly to the exhaust system, or via intake/combustion. It's even possible that exhaust finds its' way to the cooling system in some cases.
Drive it for longer periods. Steel seal takes time to work.
It's definitely nothing to worry about.
Mayonnaise again is condensation.
Drive it and enjoy it
I had this exact same problem with the water leaking out under pressure from the expansion tank on my 01 S-type. . I was lucky to have a very diligent mechanic who replaced all the hoses to the heater and the expansion tank. Please have a pressure test done on the cooling system as overheating the engine will have damaged the head gasket and you don't want that to happen again even if the additive worked. I have never had much luck with additives and just replaced head gaskets as I never felt confident in the engine again.
If one of the headgaskets had gone you would only have smoke out of one exhaust, unlikely that you have had both fail at same time...
I'd also think that the system would be pressurising if a headgasket had failed.
My V8 Jag only gets used occasionally, but when I fire it up, it puffs out steam like a train. But it goes once warmed up.
If you can smell coolant in the car it could be the heater matrix.
Had a 2
5 s type which was a manual 54 plate. Had it three years and was an absolutely brilliant car,never let me down. Good luck with it 👍🏼
i have had issues with head gaskets and my self have used steel seal and has always worked the white smoke from the exhaust your seeing is from the water thats left behind from it will clear after a while if the coolant level is fine and temp gauge is ok then the steel seal will have done its job hope this helps
It is normal for condensate in the exhaust, especially in humid conditions. My guess is that, since it takes time for combustion gasses to leak into the coolant on some gasket/head problems, keep checking as time goes by to see if you have stopped the leak. I have the same issue and plan to try Steel Seal as soon as I flush and replace the coolant. Good luck.
I've used a bars leak alumna seal on a Ford ranger with the 4.0 v6 pushrod engine. It solved a coolant leak and over heating problem. Bars sealant used to make a sealant that looked like liquids copper that worked for sealing a cracked cylinder head on a straight 6 chevy.
Loving all the jag content on TH-cam at the moment. I’m on an owners club on Facebook. Great amount of knowledge and quick fixes shared on there. Very helpful bunch. Keep at it
The white ‘"smoke" is condensation/ steam caused by hot air hitting cold air. The best check to do is a cooling system pressure test. Good luck Joel.
Change the oil and filter, don’t worry about a bit of condensation, enjoy your trip. 🇬🇧
White exhaust is normal at prolonged idle, take it for a blast and the exhaust should clear up.
I wouldn't worry about the white smoke at this time of year. I would be more worried about seeing if the coolant is still dropping .
A coolant leak will usually produce a solid white smog. All I see is normal cold weather steam. Also, if separate exhausts, highly unlikely you would have blown both head gaskets.
I think there's a few important things I would mention from experience of owner both the early V8s and later V8s as well as general observations - as a lot of people have mentioned, I the cold weather its hard to determine whether smoke is anything serious or not. I would be concerned about the antifreeze residue on the cam cover gasket and the smell you describe. Burning antifreeze smells quite sweet, if that's what your getting it means coolant is escaping and burning on the engine block. These v8s have a number of flaws - firstly the thermostat housing and water pump are plastic and they crack with age, they sit right under the engine cover towards the front of the car. Secondly, there is a small rubber pipe that exits under the throttle body which is prone to split with heat/age usually resulting in coolant leaking from the back of the engine underneath the car, but only when hot. I would reccomend checking these items first - white in the oil cap again is indicative of condensation rather than head gasket - check the dip stick for white is a better bet of head gasket failure. Lastly, if you do any more major work, you really need to do the timing chain tensioners, they're also plastic and will fail, usually without warning resulting in engine failure
Sorry you’re having issues but I’m enjoying watching your investigations. Hope you get to the bottom of it soon. 🤞👍
I have slight condensation under the oil cap of my E46 BMW 318i. After driving it about for a good long run it disappears. Honestly, it has to be a vast quantity of sludge and gunk if that were to be a head gasket problem.
Uncle had a major head gasket problem on his Ford ranger used this stuff and fixed it ran it for 2 years no problem!
Used it on my s type 30000 miles ago worked a treat after gasket fault pressured coolant system. MAKE sure you flush old coolant out clean out the rad and then clean it again .then follow on line instructions. Only issue I had was one it killed the heater control valve, swapped it out for new one
I have used this stuff on my son's fiat Punto because there was bubbles appearing in the system. It worked fine in his car .He once brought a Vauxhall Corsa 1200 cc that had mayo on the oil cap but that wasn't a head gasket. To be honest I wouldn't put any shit in my cars as if I'm keeping them , which I do till they are no longer worth spending money on . I would just do the head gasket as it isn't that much work . Just make sure you keep an eye on your timing settings and don't try to do short cuts . It's a pain to clean that stuff out the system if you need to as it coats everything.
Steel Steel works very well.....I used it on 2.5turbo diesel 1989.....I emptied some water out of system so level was below expansion tank hence getting Steel seal straight in to cooling system...then topped up water... the cylinder head was sealed straight away...but 2 months later I had issues again...I then repeated with another Steel seal and it has held firm for 25000 miles and counting 😀 hope this helps
Always enjoy your videos mate, just a normal guy working on normal cars and the issues older cars more often than not have
I bought an ST220 in the summer of 2010 and come winter time, on a cold day it used to chuff out cartoonish amounts of white steam from the exhausts, even after it was thoroughly warmed up and been driven for miles. It was almost embarrassing in traffic queues
This initially alarmed me, Ford V6’s don’t have a great history for head gaskets (although the 3.0 is much less affected) but after reading of other owners reporting the same thing I decided to just ignore it and hope for the best
Had it for 10 years and put 80k miles on it and never had any problems…well, not with the head gaskets at least, I had plenty of other problems which are a whole other story…
My advice is just drive it and unless it’s still losing coolant or overheating, don’t worry about it
I highly recommend Tom Lenthall Ltd if the Wokingham area isn't too far for you, Tom and the team are very knowledgeable on both modern and classic Jags. Also used by Harry's Garage on the XJC resto👍
Ive had great success with sealers once in a head gasket and 3 times to stop major oil leaks . Hope it works .
Genuinely don’t worry about the white smoke from your exhaust, that’s only condensation & heat mixing. Think of heat coming out of your boiler flue you don’t really see it in the summer same as with your exhaust smoke.
In terms of the cream/white on the oil cap that’s minimal only condensation again this time of year I’ve had cars with almost like a lemon yoghurt in the cap.
I think you may have another slight coolant leak from a hose again in an awkward spot. Buy a cheap borrescope from Amazon & have a look around the engine. In future don’t rush to put a sealer in a suspected head gasket get a compression test done first
I reckon you got a perished hose somewhere and it’s leaking enough to drop the coolant but not enough for you to notice on the drive / floor or it could be leaking on to the exhaust , down pipe/ manifold and it’s burning away so you don’t notice it this could also explain the burning smell in the car
Joel, I can't believe you used that steel seal head gasket repair. Such a pity. That is the ultimate bodge! Now your whole cooling system and heater matrix etc will be gunged up with that stuff forever. What a pity. That is what you use if you have a £500 car you just want to limp on for a few weeks. Frankly, I would cut your losses and sell this as spares and repairs and tell them what is wrong with it. I reckon you will get £750 to £800 and just cut your losses. You can not run a car like that using £30 bottles of gunge. If you can't look after it yourself, which alas it appears you can't, it just is NOT viable. You are far better off buying a good car than a lemon that has never ending issues. The 3.0 V6 is a good car. You can get a really good 3.0 V6 for 2k. Easily. It breaks my heart you are so fixated on a 4.0 V8 you are doing this to yourself. Just get rid of it. And the 'white smoke' is actually called steam! The car is a LEMON. Do NOT spend any more money on it. Just get rid of it. It was cheap because it is a lemon.
Hi Joel, I wouldn't worry about the steam from the exhaust but the loss of coolant should be checked with a pressure test. I wouldn't have put that stuff in the coolant. Good luck 🤞
I used k seal on my wife old rover 25 1.8 automatic. Kept the car 2 years with out issues.
What I would suggest is drive the car as much as you can and keep an eye on the coolant level if it doesn’t drop you know it will be fine.
I have not had much to do with the v8 but I know older jag’s suffer a lot with steam out of the exhaust if driven gently.
And needed to go for a spirited drive from time to time.
Old xj6 use to be terrible so what owners were told was to do was hold in the lower gear’s and under load and at full operating temperature hold up on the red line change’s
If you suspect the head gaskets, try doing a compression test. I never trust these additives, if a gasket has failed it will need to be changed.
Looks like condensation Joel. Take the plastic engine covers off to see where that other coolant residue was coming from. That is a big win that it is not the head gasket.
with you on that.
You might have just caught a small breech in the head gasket in time with Steel Seal 👍
I used K-seal, a similar product on my '99 XKR about 9 years ago and it's still fine.
As a point of information, we have an old BMW Z3 that has all the white steam signs of a bad gasket, as well as lots of white goo in the oil around the cap. However, the car does not use any coolant (been like this for over 15 years)... it's plainly due to the car running short trips all the time, it takes hours of driving to get rid of all the steam--it does go away eventually.
Looks like you have fixed it (for now). I have over the years had a few cars where the sniff test has gone yellow. Another symptom of the problem is coolant leaks all over the place as the pressure destroys the system. Coolant that rises and then falls as the thermostat opens is another sign as the gas from the engine displaces coolant in the block before the thermostat opens.
In my cases, I removed the head and replaced the gasket etc etc etc. If you want to keep a car for a long time then a head gasket failure is a good excuse to address many potential issues at the top end of the motor and valve train. However, on a car like that Jag its going to be days and days of work which will cost way more than the value of the car unless you can do it all yourself.
I used a bottle of rad weld on my diesel smart run around after my coolant leaked all over the floor. A bottle down the expansion tank and a few miles later it was sealed. No issues since and maintaining coolant levels
Well the temperature seems stable even after a long period sitting idling. We have a 3ltr straight six BMW and it pumps out condensation under almost any condition, however, it does stop after a decent run, I mean a 100 mile decent run. .... the car performs really well, it's ultra reliable, the coolant level doesn't change and there's a tiny residue under the oil filler cap. The fans rarely kick in and there's absolutely no signs of overheating. We are at a loss to understand the issue but perhaps there isn't one. Ours has been doing this for the past 10k miles so I can only assume it's water vapour from burning the petrol. We think it's the design of the exhaust which might have something to do with it, i.e, the backend of the pipe isn't getting hot enough so condensation forms. I can't say for certain but I have heard 1 gallon of petrol produces 1 gallon of water. That number might be wrong but at least a fair amount of water is produced whilst burning fuel. Finally, simply because there's a tiny amount of sludge in the oil cap it doesn't mean a head gasket failure. Swarf is produced as a result of vapour in the fuel and oil in the block. From my experience I think your Jag looks perfectly fine.
I wouldn't worry to much about "smoke" its normal and its condensation my S-Type does it as well on wet days just drive it around and see what the coolant does also if you want to 100% confirm a hedgasket I'd suggest sending an oil sample for analysis
The v6 and v8 Jags always give off what looks like white smoke from exhaust - my S-Type does it even though I definitely don't have a coolant issue because I never ever have to top up (not even slightly).
Water vapour is a normal part of the exhaust gases, so steam from the exhaust when idling is perfectly normal, especially on a cold day. Before you spend any more time and money on it, try driving the Jag around and see if the coolant level stays the same.
I think the reason your fan came on was with the cap off it reduced the pressure in the cooling system. By putting the cooling system under pressure it increases the point at which water boils. That’s why the rad cap is set at 8 lbs or so. It allows for higher temps before it boils.
Work for jaguar as a tech for over 25 years,never had a head gasket issues with this engine...started on xj40 all the way upto new I pace..misfire generally down to the coils as water drips into the rear ones by the bulkhead from scuttle
I had a Honda with a head gasket leak and the garage used leak sel. I drove the car without any symptoms for a few 1000 miles but the overheating started again. I tried leak seal again but it didn't work. I'm afraid I sold it to a dealer who I told about the problem and bought another car. Motto - it must depend on how bad the gasket is broken .Hope yours worked out better as lovely car and engine.
I’ve got a 2018 2.0tfsi Audi a5. When I got it I was concerned at the white smoke out the tail pipe - loads even in the summer. However it’s not used a drop of oil or water in 2 years and been given a clean bill of health by Audi a few times now. So I think it’s just normal for some cars
I was very sceptical about steal seal. I used it on a 4 cylinder Omega about 3 months ago and the car gas now done 4000 miles with no issues. Believe it or not, i have another Omega that had head gasket failure late last year - mayonnaise oil and misfiring and water loss, purely out of interested i used it on that one too (also 4 cylinder) and i can't believe it worked on that one too 😮
Chris forbes, best jaguar specialists in the country, and very fair on cost, Coventry area, not a million miles away
That is nothing but condensation from the exhaust. Sounds like you've got a coolant leak especially with that pink staining you found.. thats condensation on your oil cap too. a very little amount to !
Back then in the early 2000s, GM produced the Northstar V8 that had major Head Gasket Issues. The later released something called "GM Sealant Tabs". You can try these if it doesnt work on the long run.
I would say you do have a gasket issue as you said the coolant raised and the fan kicked in which mean there was an air pocket and the pcm thought it was hotter than it was. The fact the sniff test is now blue says it should be okay now, but I’d personally rag it up the road, make sure the coolant is bang on level before you set off, and then check it after the rag, obviously take the cap off but be careful as it’ll be pressurised !! And see if it rises to the level again. If it does, happy days. If not then do another sniff test.
Joel! Fantastic content as always, between you and a few other TH-camrs you guys were the main driving force behind my purchase of a 2000 Jaguar XJ 4.0 V8. Exactly the same engine as in your S-type! Now my car, and engine are sorted, hopefully I can now return some useful information.
The white exhaust smoke is nothing to worry about, time or year large capacity engines etc. it’s to be expected. My daily XF 5.0 V8 is just as bad!! To note though, a quirk with those engines is the upstream O2 sensors can fail without even throwing an engine warning light. Stupid I know, but could be contributing to your emissions you can see if they have given up the ghost. Mine packed up on both banks without any warning lights!
The fluctuating coolant level, especially when the radiator fan cuts in would suggest to me a stuck or sticking thermostat, another weak area on these engines, the plastic thermostat housing can also break. Now ally replacements can be found. Lastly, these engines love to trash cam-cover gaskets, which leak onto the hot exhaust manifold heat shields. When the car is warm and the blowers are on, the burning smell makes its way straight to your nostrils!!
Last point, you could do worse than checking out Autoreserve Jaguar, I can’t remember where they are based but they are a great team. All the best, keep going with the great content!!
White vapour coming out the tail pipes can be very misleading at this time of year: similarly mayo in the filler cap can be because the car is not being run at working temp for long enough.
I have an XF 3.0 V6 petrol and it's always had hwite smoke even after a long journey at idle it smokes but no problems so maybe don't worry to much about the smoke mate
Definitely get a pressure test kit. Similar price to the bottle of sealant. If it holds 15psi for 10 minutes cold there is unlikely to be a leak. If it drops you have a leak, just a matter of finding it. If the coolant level drops every time after driving it's got a problem that needs fixing. Good luck,no loss of coolant for 3 years on my s type 4.0.
If you have a burning smell in the cabin, may be a leaking heater matrix - not had a Jag, but had that in other cars. Sometimes it smells like a musty faintly curry smell, from the anti freeze.
If it doesn't overheat when driving it it's fine. Just have a good breakdown service on standby. All Jags make steam out the exhausts especially in cold weather.
Go give it a good drive and see how it gets on, just remember a sealing substance is not a permanent fix and that it will now be gumming up all your cooling system. If you want a job doing, do it properly first time, temp fixes and boddges make more work in the long run.
I have to agree with Deano, your "white smoke" is probably condensation from the exhaust system. It's a cold day, so you will get that.