The lecture of this captivatingly brilliant man, Oliver Sacks , is highlighted through a harmony provided by an equally brilliant audience, their thoughts, and questions--this discussion is as beautiful as music itself.
The Proust quote at 24'50" minutes just got me: "But what were their words, which like every human and external word left me so indifferent compared with the heavenly phrase of music with which i had just been communing. I wondered- whether music might not be the unique example of what might have been , if the invention of language, the formation of words, the analysis of ideas had not intervened, whether it might have been the means of communication between souls". Wonderful!!!!
I was a geriatric nurse for 40 years, I also play piano. I used to put a resident in front of a piano, even though they couldn't say their own name, they could remember how to play piano.
100% truth; I was a nurse, had a patient with severe Parkinson's, he was a musician, had a keyboard in his room, and when he played, there was no Parkinson's .. thank you for posting this wonderful lecture*
I work in music therapy and volunteered at my church's community dinner on a weekly basis. There was a downs syndrome woman that came up to where I was playing. She had a stuttering problem but when she sang her stuttering disappeared. Music therapy in action!
This gets much more interesting at c. 45 minutes in when we finally get some down-to-earth questions from the audience. Love it when Sacks says to the interviewer "What do YOU think about that?" in regard to one of his interminable queries...
Always a delight to hear the good doctor Sacks. His books obviously do attract the romantics amongst us, though, and this discussion really showed it. Nothing wrong with being romantic, we all are, even just a little bit. These musings (on souls, the beyond, etc) might be therapeutic, but no one really has any idea what they're talking about. You might say "but I KNOW what a soul is!", but another will stand up and voice his own idea of a soul with equal conviction and it becomes unproductive.
Apenas acabé de leer este libro sin duda uno de los mejores ensayos que he leido lo recomiendo ampliamente documenta casos de la relación yo diria casi milagrosa que existe entre el cerebro y la música. Se llama Musicofilia y la editorial es Anagrama
One way of looking at the Universe is as a single state of temporal timing resonance bonding, the sort of impression of all things a Muscian understands, "by ear" in a way of knowing that is only one sensory realisation of the Universal echo-chamber resonance bonding, e-Pi-i sync-duration condensation connectivity. Choose your pure-math relative-timing ratio-rates of motion probability Instruments, from the temporal Orchestra.
Hi, The term for that nebulosity you both attempt to describe is, "numinous " I believe it's usage in wandering conversations allows the participants to keep from drifting. .into the realms of the, "woo-woo". The landscape of the numinous is located in a separate magisterium.
Sacks hasn't many answers in comparison to many questions asked. One of the answers was 'I will answer in 20 years'. It's good to see his humility, but this only shows how little we know about the brain so far.
I am curious about people who are no longer provoked emotively by music, but specifically those of us who, as we age, don´t enjoy it as often as we used to. It has been said that the reward mechanisms of the brain do not work the same in an adult brain as in that of a youth. Some lose any interest in music, even if their brains are unimpaired, yet some retain a passion for it. Why does one grow out of certain types of music and into others that would at one time have been dull or meaningless?
I have a professor who is currently doing research on the degradation of art appreciation as we age. Ian Stuart-Hamilton, check out his stuff on Gerontology.
Why do we lose our childlike wonder? Why do we have to grow up? I think a large part of the loss of appreciation as people get older, is that they become more concerned with "adult" tasks and goals. Society places importance on fields outside of the fine arts. So being out of school, and a community built of a cluster of interests, are less exposed to art, music, dance, etc. People who don't do those things for a living see it all as entertainment--an extra thing/nonessential. Aside from the radio, tv, internet, cell phones, etc. You have to go out of your way to go to a museum, or a concert, a dance show, etc. Just some thoughts.
I think we filter out the "unnecessary" to learn the "priority or important" and then forget to go back to those things we deemed unnecessary or unimportant to the point that they fall off our priority list altogether. In my opinion that is the benefit of LSD as it "removes" these filters along with amplifying our sense perception giving a feeling mimicking that childlike wonder as if seeing the world with new eyes.
I used to, sometimes, listen to Chopin's Funeral March all day long when I was about 7-8 years old. now, almost 30 years later, many things regarding my taste in music have changed, but that one never did. perhaps you should analyze your own taste or non-taste and see what actually happened there.
How are "color" and "colour" alike and how are those distinct and how is each unique ? How does Oliver Sacks characterize the constellation of symptoms called "Huntington's disease" ? What was the introductory sequence of topical studies in your childhood , and how is that related to your experience or internal understanding of the music in your life ?
Listen to the little jingle played during Final Jeopardy game show. When you have heard it a few times, it plays in your mind. Even if it stops playing, it continues in the mind. I believe it was designed to interfere with the ability to think.
Glad to know work of prof. Stacks, Impressing goes beyond our senses and intuition that music is life, comunication, movement, such a power over us. I ask if someone agrees that you can not fully but one way of transcendensce, religion, througt enjoyng music together, or by really aprecciating the expression of the composer? Greatings for the poster
Personally brought up in a house full of music. Not performers but a collections of records. The parents got into listening Mozart, Haydn & Beethoven and the older siblings into Elton John. Got into listening to Bach music after the 1985 tricentenary year of Bach & Handel. It would be another 10+ years before getting into Bach keyboard pieces. Listening to music on the radio or CDs is 1 thing but getting into any piece as a performer is a different experience. Growing up the people around thought that music is something you take in school and part of your academic exercise but not something you enjoy doing.
Music, as far as it's evolutionary connection, is all about it's ability to bond humans. Simply being in the presence of entrained, performing musicians, enables all to "get lost" in the One Groove. Entrainment is a instinctive state, as is the state of "Flow". When these "states" are achieved en masse, with participation, they're known to create a higher power! This common "power" on a global level, is believed, by Groovists, to Be what's needed to instigate evolution!!! "Be One" no longer some esoteric Zen phrase. Now to Be done!!! The international language will Be ... World peace, love, understanding, & comfort!
I'd love to ask Dr. sacks thinks about why after smoking pot, music is so much more heartfealt and emotional? its a question that has been with me since the beggining of my exploration into drugs in general cause ive never fealt it with any other drug besides ecstasy Fortunatley that exploration was a phase and ive left that all behind in my teens except the pot but it was always one of my most intruguing questions Why pot? i know he confessed to being a pot smoker, id like to hear his opinions
I think music in advertising and public places such as gyms is usually forced and repetitive. It is not inherently bad or low value. I quite like advertisement clips that I'm hearing for the first time, such as on foreign radio, and light, elevator music. But I grow tired of repetitive patterns that I have no control over. Old radio jingles, same as familiar popular music, can help recall memories (but those are difficult to obtain). In shops music is usually in conflict with noises, and the combination of those is quite unpleasant. When I was a child I read the story titled "professor dowell's head" where an evil psychiatrist doctor used repeating patterns of sounds to upset his prisoners. I would believe that it is likely possible. It is my belief also that music can be unlearned early in life, if it has no place and application. I wonder if other parts of personality, such as thinking in an non-tonal language and words, actually 'replace' the structure that implements musical perception.
j7ndominica0 There has been a number of Omni or multi programs created over many recurrent inspired enthusiasts idea too create competition each while of supermarket too escalator musics, etc, as continues too pass tea cheer non profession uni bomber into dis courses hoping horrer show causes of its lechure S since be leafs of flute clockwork orange Alexander Graham Bell,Quazeee mode owe door e an pig sty plain talking nonsence?
I liked his comments on gym music. I feel like I’m being tortured when i am subjected to loud thumping music which seems to be everywhere, even in church. My father was a musician and played the accordion as did my brother. My sister loved music and dancing. I never could understand why. I didn’t even like listening to the radio. Eventually, I found some music I actually liked. I was well into my twenties by then. That music is opera, and particularly baritones and tenors. I never could understand why I’m so selective in my musical taste. Is that normal ?
how many different kinds of music have you listened to? how long will you listen to something before deciding you don't like it? you say you like baritones and tenors, but that says nothing about the music, only the delivery of it. what composers do you like? what does the music make you feel? what is it that you actively dislike about other genres? what about the instrumentation of opera; opera without singing is classical music (more or less!), does it not 'do it' for you? if not, that would indicate that the only music you like is made by a couple of very particular human voices? would you listen to operatic tenors singing without a 'backing track'? so many questions - i'm kind of fascinated to be honest :)
There is something archetypal about the figure of the Hurdy-Gurdy Man. I recognize him as an image first encountered in my childhood. His origin is Eastern Europe. Why do I think he might be Jewish? The Fiddler on The Roof. The Rag Picker. The Outcast The Stranger among us who has looked upon things we all shy away from and so, we shy away from him all the while knowing he has something wise and terrible to teach us. Someone recently said to me that more than being loved, we need to feel that we belong. I thought about that and it feels right ! Family, Religion, Nation, City Class Sexual orientation Local Sports Team College Fraternity Political party These are things we belong to. We support them. We exalt them. We defend them. We oppose those who attack them. We feel elated when another member of our tribe succeeds. What does it feel like when we belong to no group? Who among us does not belong to any group? The beggar. The homeless The elderly living alone. The black man in a white world. The mis-shapen The grotesque. This is the Hurdy Gurdy man.....the Leiermann The one we fear most because he lives our greatest nightmare. But when we are dying we feel the ultimate alone-ness. We are alive but no longer belong to the world of the living. Perhaps Schubert, who was dying when he wrote this, was making common cause with the Leiermann. Outcasts... together. " May I come along? Will you play my song ?"
He should have stayed away from music theory and ethno musicology. Music is much more culturally dependent. I can't stand listening to this nonsense so I will stop but I have to say that there are people who are educated working on these sorts of problems. Dogs have theory of mind so what is he talking about?
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The lecture of this captivatingly brilliant man, Oliver Sacks , is highlighted through a harmony provided by an equally brilliant audience, their thoughts, and questions--this discussion is as beautiful as music itself.
The Proust quote at 24'50" minutes just got me:
"But what were their words, which like every human and external word left me so indifferent compared with the heavenly phrase of music with which i had just been communing. I wondered- whether music might not be the unique example of what might have been , if the invention of language, the formation of words, the analysis of ideas had not intervened, whether it might have been the means of communication between souls".
Wonderful!!!!
I was a geriatric nurse for 40 years, I also play piano. I used to put a resident in front of a piano, even though they couldn't say their own name, they could remember how to play piano.
Wow ! Power of music. I play piano.
100% truth; I was a nurse, had a patient with severe Parkinson's, he was a musician, had a keyboard in his room, and when he played, there was no Parkinson's .. thank you for posting this wonderful lecture*
I work in music therapy and volunteered at my church's community dinner on a weekly basis. There was a downs syndrome woman that came up to where I was playing. She had a stuttering problem but when she sang her stuttering disappeared. Music therapy in action!
A privilege that Oliver Sacks can still be amongst us with these items.He remains unique and advisible in the broader sence of human interest.
Here my personal homage to Sacks:
viviraciegas.blogspot.com.es/2017/09/carta-oliver-sacks-demasiado-tarde.html?m=0
What a wonderfully lucid and eloquent talk! This man is truly a legend.
I can't believe I just watched this entire thing. Incredibly interesting conversation, really glad this was recorded
This gets much more interesting at c. 45 minutes in when we finally get some down-to-earth questions from the audience. Love it when Sacks says to the interviewer "What do YOU think about that?" in regard to one of his interminable queries...
Always a delight to hear the good doctor Sacks. His books obviously do attract the romantics amongst us, though, and this discussion really showed it. Nothing wrong with being romantic, we all are, even just a little bit.
These musings (on souls, the beyond, etc) might be therapeutic, but no one really has any idea what they're talking about. You might say "but I KNOW what a soul is!", but another will stand up and voice his own idea of a soul with equal conviction and it becomes unproductive.
Apenas acabé de leer este libro sin duda uno de los mejores ensayos que he leido lo recomiendo ampliamente documenta casos de la relación yo diria casi milagrosa que existe entre el cerebro y la música. Se llama Musicofilia y la editorial es Anagrama
57:25 this is such a beautiful story the child described it superbly, it made me cry - in a good way
One way of looking at the Universe is as a single state of temporal timing resonance bonding, the sort of impression of all things a Muscian understands, "by ear" in a way of knowing that is only one sensory realisation of the Universal echo-chamber resonance bonding, e-Pi-i sync-duration condensation connectivity. Choose your pure-math relative-timing ratio-rates of motion probability Instruments, from the temporal Orchestra.
Art is so humanly essential
that was an introduction that sets the spell perfectly
yes, I feel, every song I hear brings a feeling
57:04 That happened... from humming? She must be an amazing hummer.
Hi, The term for that nebulosity you both attempt to describe is, "numinous " I believe it's usage in wandering conversations allows the participants to keep from drifting. .into the realms of the, "woo-woo". The landscape of the numinous is located in a separate magisterium.
Sacks hasn't many answers in comparison to many questions asked. One of the answers was 'I will answer in 20 years'. It's good to see his humility, but this only shows how little we know about the brain so far.
cut me a slack
I am curious about people who are no longer provoked emotively by music, but specifically those of us who, as we age, don´t enjoy it as often as we used to. It has been said that the reward mechanisms of the brain do not work the same in an adult brain as in that of a youth. Some lose any interest in music, even if their brains are unimpaired, yet some retain a passion for it. Why does one grow out of certain types of music and into others that would at one time have been dull or meaningless?
I have a professor who is currently doing research on the degradation of art appreciation as we age. Ian Stuart-Hamilton, check out his stuff on Gerontology.
Nocturnal Podcasts --I have noticed. kind of sad honestly
Why do we lose our childlike wonder? Why do we have to grow up? I think a large part of the loss of appreciation as people get older, is that they become more concerned with "adult" tasks and goals. Society places importance on fields outside of the fine arts. So being out of school, and a community built of a cluster of interests, are less exposed to art, music, dance, etc. People who don't do those things for a living see it all as entertainment--an extra thing/nonessential. Aside from the radio, tv, internet, cell phones, etc. You have to go out of your way to go to a museum, or a concert, a dance show, etc. Just some thoughts.
I think we filter out the "unnecessary" to learn the "priority or important" and then forget to go back to those things we deemed unnecessary or unimportant to the point that they fall off our priority list altogether. In my opinion that is the benefit of LSD as it "removes" these filters along with amplifying our sense perception giving a feeling mimicking that childlike wonder as if seeing the world with new eyes.
I used to, sometimes, listen to Chopin's Funeral March all day long when I was about 7-8 years old. now, almost 30 years later, many things regarding my taste in music have changed, but that one never did. perhaps you should analyze your own taste or non-taste and see what actually happened there.
Music is the international language. We all can group as one and as our purpose for being one of 10 billion. Groove on:
How are "color" and "colour" alike and how are those distinct and how is each unique ?
How does Oliver Sacks characterize the constellation of symptoms called "Huntington's disease" ?
What was the introductory sequence of topical studies in your childhood , and how is that related to your experience or internal understanding of the music in your life ?
Listen to the little jingle played during Final Jeopardy game show.
When you have heard it a few times, it plays in your mind.
Even if it stops playing, it continues in the mind.
I believe it was designed to interfere with the ability to think.
Glad to know work of prof. Stacks, Impressing goes beyond our senses and intuition that music is life, comunication, movement, such a power over us. I ask if someone agrees that you can not fully but one way of transcendensce, religion, througt enjoyng music together, or by really aprecciating the expression of the composer? Greatings for the poster
Personally brought up in a house full of music. Not performers but a collections of records. The parents got into listening Mozart, Haydn & Beethoven and the older siblings into Elton John. Got into listening to Bach music after the 1985 tricentenary year of Bach & Handel. It would be another 10+ years before getting into Bach keyboard pieces.
Listening to music on the radio or CDs is 1 thing but getting into any piece as a performer is a different experience. Growing up the people around thought that music is something you take in school and part of your academic exercise but not something you enjoy doing.
"Excruciating pleasure." 5:42
Music, as far as it's evolutionary connection, is all about it's ability to bond humans. Simply being in the presence of entrained, performing musicians, enables all to "get lost" in the One Groove. Entrainment is a instinctive state, as is the state of "Flow". When these "states" are achieved en masse, with participation, they're known to create a higher power! This common "power" on a global level, is believed, by Groovists, to Be what's needed to instigate evolution!!! "Be One" no longer some esoteric Zen phrase. Now to Be done!!! The international language will Be ... World peace, love, understanding, & comfort!
I'd love to ask Dr. sacks thinks about why after smoking pot, music is so much more heartfealt and emotional? its a question that has been with me since the beggining of my exploration into drugs in general cause ive never fealt it with any other drug besides ecstasy Fortunatley that exploration was a phase and ive left that all behind in my teens except the pot but it was always one of my most intruguing questions Why pot? i know he confessed to being a pot smoker, id like to hear his opinions
I feel the same exact way
I think music in advertising and public places such as gyms is usually forced and repetitive. It is not inherently bad or low value. I quite like advertisement clips that I'm hearing for the first time, such as on foreign radio, and light, elevator music. But I grow tired of repetitive patterns that I have no control over. Old radio jingles, same as familiar popular music, can help recall memories (but those are difficult to obtain). In shops music is usually in conflict with noises, and the combination of those is quite unpleasant.
When I was a child I read the story titled "professor dowell's head" where an evil psychiatrist doctor used repeating patterns of sounds to upset his prisoners. I would believe that it is likely possible.
It is my belief also that music can be unlearned early in life, if it has no place and application. I wonder if other parts of personality, such as thinking in an non-tonal language and words, actually 'replace' the structure that implements musical perception.
j7ndominica0 There has been a number of Omni or multi programs created over many recurrent inspired enthusiasts idea too create competition each while of supermarket too escalator musics, etc, as continues too pass tea cheer non profession uni bomber into dis courses hoping horrer show causes of its lechure S since be leafs of flute clockwork orange Alexander Graham Bell,Quazeee mode owe door e an pig sty plain talking nonsence?
34:25 every song brings a specific color to my mind, but I don't know if I "see color"... do you too?
Dry, passionless. to download free @ tinyurl . com \ otc437a . remove spaces.
i knew this guy seemed familiar...i read this book not too long ago, great stories
I liked his comments on gym music. I feel like I’m being tortured when i am subjected to loud thumping music which seems to be everywhere, even in church. My father was a musician and played the accordion as did my brother. My sister loved music and dancing. I never could understand why. I didn’t even like listening to the radio. Eventually, I found some music I actually liked. I was well into my twenties by then. That music is opera, and particularly baritones and tenors. I never could understand why I’m so selective in my musical taste. Is that normal ?
how many different kinds of music have you listened to? how long will you listen to something before deciding you don't like it? you say you like baritones and tenors, but that says nothing about the music, only the delivery of it. what composers do you like? what does the music make you feel? what is it that you actively dislike about other genres? what about the instrumentation of opera; opera without singing is classical music (more or less!), does it not 'do it' for you? if not, that would indicate that the only music you like is made by a couple of very particular human voices? would you listen to operatic tenors singing without a 'backing track'? so many questions - i'm kind of fascinated to be honest :)
There is something archetypal about the figure of the Hurdy-Gurdy Man.
I recognize him as an image first encountered in my childhood.
His origin is Eastern Europe.
Why do I think he might be Jewish?
The Fiddler on The Roof.
The Rag Picker.
The Outcast
The Stranger among us who has looked upon things we all shy away from and so, we shy away from him all the while knowing he has something wise and terrible to teach us.
Someone recently said to me that more than being loved, we need to feel that we belong.
I thought about that and it feels right !
Family,
Religion,
Nation,
City
Class
Sexual orientation
Local Sports Team
College
Fraternity
Political party
These are things we belong to.
We support them.
We exalt them.
We defend them.
We oppose those who attack them.
We feel elated when another member of our tribe succeeds.
What does it feel like when we belong to no group?
Who among us does not belong to any group?
The beggar.
The homeless
The elderly living alone.
The black man in a white world.
The mis-shapen
The grotesque.
This is the Hurdy Gurdy man.....the Leiermann The one we fear most because he lives our greatest nightmare.
But when we are dying we feel the ultimate alone-ness.
We are alive but no longer belong to the world of the living.
Perhaps Schubert, who was dying when he wrote this, was making common cause with the Leiermann. Outcasts... together.
" May I come along? Will you play my song ?"
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I found this interesting!
53:28
Is music a peacocks tail?
He should have stayed away from music theory and ethno musicology. Music is much more culturally dependent. I can't stand listening to this nonsense so I will stop but I have to say that there are people who are educated working on these sorts of problems. Dogs have theory of mind so what is he talking about?