Finally someone who is making sense out of this situation, people need to start thinking a bit more logical. This is getting so out of hand and people can't enjoy figures anymore because of everyone making everything out to be so bad.
The thing about the Skar King's elbows is that they could have use double jointed hinge elbows like a normal SH Figuarts. Using dumbell style joints is just unnecessary because elbows and knees don't need to swivel and hinges can allow a deeper bend in one axis.
@ well then a hilarious coincidence. In his Skar King review he insists that Skar King’s posture is more upright and keeps the head up throughout the review. Also great video I mostly agree with your takes :) keep up the good work
7:23 As a total casual when it comes to these things, this segment with the photos was a real eye-opener. I knew lighting had some impact on how the paint apps looked, but not to such a degree!
@@filipzimolag3314100% yes. It's a cycle of binary reactionism enforced by the internet. Everything is either "shit" or "amazing", there can be no in-between like in real life. It's been this way for what? Since 2005 or earlier with discourse on the internet?
@filipzimolag3314 Yup. I've seen it happen time and time again, like with the MCU or Helluva Boss season 2. There will be times where you'll get Deadpool and Wolverine or season 2 episode 6 where people will love it and claim its 'back', but as soon as a mid or bad thing comes out like episode 8 or what if season 3, people will say it's 'over'. It's always a switch up act and I'm tired of seeing it. Like come on, IS IT BACK OR NOT!?
I some what agree my only issue is when SH Monsterarts are charging the price they are you deserve a figure that looks as near as the quality as in the promo shots. It dose not bother me as much if HIYA figures are not accurate as the promo shots as the price point is not as high. If you're gonna expect your customers to pay the prices, you want what you pay for.
Exactly this. I've stopped buying SHMA ever since the prices increased, with the quality of each figure seemingly degrading. Godzilla Ultima was the most I spent on one, but his quality was still nearly in line with the promo images. I've yet to see one Godzilla minus one photo where the head sculpt is as sharp as the original promo images. Given the cheaper price point of Hiya, it's very likely that unless SHMA improves the final release quality to match the promo images, I'll take my business to them. They've already won me over on both Evolved and 2000.
It has to be a minority of collectors. For how awful and obsolete SHMA is made out to be these days, figures are still selling and the line remains a staple of Kaiju toy channels. Despite HIYA being set to release a comparable product for a fraction of the price, collectors still showed up for SHMA dropping Godzilla Evolved. It’s almost like the community is more than a handful of TH-camrs and their teenage fans clowning around in comment sections.
I think that while everything that you said about the bad faith with some pics of the figures and the reactionary sentiment over the Godzilla figures is real, the lack of consistency about what the companys are selling doesn't help either. I mean yeah, we have to know that everything that is showed from the renders, the promotional pictures and the convention sculpts is not the final product, but at the end of the day we are the final clients and all those things that I mentioned are meant to convince us to buy the product and start saving money for that. If they don't take care for that consistency, as a client maybe I won't save that money for the product but at the same time I feel frustrated at first I wanted that product. I think that while yeah, people overreact, they give reasons to do that. At least that is what I percieve of this situation.
I think we're saying similar things! There's always going to be variance in the products themselves, as well as how they are photographed. That's why you need more data than a single frame or two
The cycle won't ever end, but the best that people can do is control themselves a bit better and not be impulsive with their reactions. I've certainly been guilty of it, but almost always ended up backtracking and thought to myself, "hold on, let's wait till I get it in-hand before judging it." Worst case scenario, if a figure doesnt meet my expectations I'll just sell it and be done with it. That's also why I try not to preorder things anymore. If I like how the final product turned out, I'll get it then.
W video this topic is really annoying to me. People are so hostile over one photo just because it’s off putting over another. Like bruh not everyone’s copy will be like that.
Im angry no one seems to understand this. Ive been saying this for ages, mostly in the shmonsterarts subreddit, and i get downvoted to oblivion. Now suddenly, our god of kaiju figures apperantly, has spoken, and im going to see more people that have this option. Genuinely, most of this community is little gremlins who cant make opinions for themselves. I really hate the godzilla community as a whole, because most of them are just little kids who get opinions from the internet. Im not sure how to feel at this point, and no ones probably reading this anyways.
Short hand reactionists unfortunately dominate everything now, especially impressions. Figures are probably have the largest discrepancy of what they look like in a photo than what they look like in person, and despite collectors usually having dozens of these in hand they are somehow always shocked by the differences LIGHTING makes. Especially in video reviews where studio lighting, from budget to professional is used. Its also tied usually with budgetary concerns, the more expensive the figures are, the higher the expectations and the more sensitive the knee-jeek reactions will be. I agree with whole-heartedly the quick to panic mentality of collectors is exhausting and unfun, you can be critical of a line, but to blow up saying "it looks like shit!" With every new solicitation makes me think these people are new to the hobby, ignorant of it, havent had enough experienced with different product lines, IPs manufacturers what different price points bring to the table, or just parrot their favourite reviewer without any first hand experience with the figure. Such as when Anthony Customs shits on a popular figure or STR people line up in the comment sections of other reviewers who held in hand to tell them their wrong or this other person "said X is this, Y is not" etc. It's like that with game reviews and movie reviews where there must be this usually criticism of the media, and differences opinions on SUBJECTIVE reviews are not allowed to exist all at once...you know like how REAL LIFE WORKS. Its fucking exhausting and will never end and good luck in the future being now knee-deep in the thick of it doing reviews. Like everytime I see a comment war with Hiya and Sh Monsterarts I just roll my eyes. You can like both guys or one or the other it doesnt have to be civil war in every comment section.
A lot of hate on the new Bandai box set, there is nothing wrong with any of the figures but yet so many ungrateful babies are upset and complaining about nothing. Like people just need to be grateful or just not buy it
Exercising a little bit of patience & brainpower goes a long way that sadly most toy fans seem to ignore. This is especially true with Hot Toys fans who will nitpick the crap out of pic of a toy before it's even out.
People just love to overreact and over hate on figures like, we just can't wait until the figure comes out and then people they bring up more "problems" that aren't even problems to begin with. I hate this cycle of people's opinions changing 24/7 of these figures.
Agree. Its it was so worst on Instagram and Facebook, that i started to unfollowed people/blocking. Aftermaxgman was the worst one, always trying to rattle the shma and hyia Fandom. Ultimate gifter.
Can SOMEONE please call that dude out? It's like NOBODY seems to notice how bad it's gotten. He is quite literally an account that used to be good with news and then became nothing but pure rage, but also with the same people who followed for news. Shoot, he's legit tried to go after Canuck once for DARING to not be super angry over the GxK G and K figures back in March. He is one of the most toxic people in the fandom and it just is a shame that we don't say anything or try to be better.
@@GojiWars I've called him out before and it resulted in STR whining and then blocking me on twitter over it. Aftermaxgman and STR are two of the worst Ragebait grifters in the collecting community and it's infuriating.
I’m not sure what people are expecting? It’s not like the average Joe has access to a fully equipped high end camera studio or light box that is capable of taking incredible pictures. Some folks like content creators who have a huge incentive and possibly a little more cash to help showcase their products can certainly benefit from a photography booth like this. But for the rest of us, who are more than likely living within our means and just have to make do with whatever we have on hand? Yeah sorry…no professional photographs here. Consider yourself lucky if I decide not to include the pile of my own inconvenient mistakes as the background
I'm happy to see when average joes get product in hand. If it's the first photo to come out, I'm not going to make judgments of the figure based on it.
The thing I don’t get is the skar king figure looks really good? But the face looks the slightest bit off so everyone throws a hissy fit. It’s a good figure. I can understand if their $140 Godzilla has a messed up head but this figure thoroughly looks good. People glaze hiya so much that SHMA is considered trash now. SHMA figures are good. I like them. If you like hiya that’s fine but let people enjoy things.
It is a vicious cycle indeed, and one that is only expounded upon by people who don’t actually own the products they’re usually unfairly scrutinizing. Evolved Godzilla was a perfect example, particularly with that world-ending green hue the figure apparently had, which made people go into a frenzy. Lo and behold: Lighting plays a big part in how these figures look. And, that heavy green dry brushing wasn’t so heavy after all, and is barely noticeable (looking at my copy right now). Evolved has also turned around pretty much completely in its reputation, now that people have like, actually gotten their hands on it in mass. I think a lot of people also forget to take into account that there isn’t one person who paints these figures, right? There are multiple painters who apply said application by hand, and probably work on, what, a myriad of copies a day? There are bound to be some variations here and there, just as there will be differences in joint tolerance, sculpt, and other logistical things that go into figure production. I think as well that we all need to remember that these figures are made in the thousands, or perhaps the several hundreds depending on the rarity. One, two, or maybe 5 lackluster examples that we see online does not even begin to account for the other thousands of copies that have nothing wrong with them. It’s tiring to have to go through this nearly every time a new release is revealed, and I’m glad that there’s some light getting eloquently shed on it. People will take either one opinion from someone online and run with it as gospel to say that the entire production line of a product is bad, or they’ll see one photo taken in an unflattering lighting condition and go, “see? Look at how bad that is!” It’s tiresome dude, lol.
Thank you so much for making this video! To be honest. I personally prefer to just go off of the prototype then the figure that i get at this point. The community has kinda ruined seeing a new figure in hand for me honestly. Shma or hiya. To the point that it's not all that exciting to see a review or in hand photos of new figures.... (shma evolved godzilla and hiya g14 are a great example of this) i don't even want to know how it's going to be when the shma shimo releases....... I'm not looking forward to that.. (the arguments. I am looking forward to the figure) Also. What do you think of the new profile picture?
IDK if this is a hot take but I've got to be honest, I really feel that fandoms have too much input. Hiya completely overhauling a sculpt because people threw a fit over it is absurd to me, and I think it sets a very unhealthy precedent for the relationship between audience and creator. My feeling is that if you don't like the look of a toy, don't buy it. Audience feedback is hugely important, and I really appreciate companies/creators who communicate with their audience. That being said, I don't believe it's the audience's place to determine the creative decisions of the product. If Mechagodzilla looks a bit more slender than you'd like, I don't think you have the right to call for an overhaul of the sculpt. I understand wanting to please the customer, but I also feel that customer's are becoming increasingly unpleasable, be it because of increasing prices or increased amounts of input straight to the manufacturer. That's part of the reason I don't dip into high-end figures beyond the occasional Ultimates or Hiya. There's so much vitriol and animosity surrounding the tiniest details, it takes the fun out of enjoying action figures. At a certain point, I wonder if some people just want statues. Personally, I've pretty much stopped listening to reactions to new releases until trusted sources report on them because it feels so much like people trying to prove a point about their tribal line loyalties, (MonsterArts loyalist, Super7 loyalist, etc.) which defeats the purpose for me. My hope is that moving forward, folks will recognize that this isn't an exact science, and will, in your words, chill the hell out and give it a friggin' minute
I personally saw no problem with Godzilla 2002 when it was first revealed. But people complain, unfairly I think, on something that's a prototype. Give your critiques but don't Bash Hiya. Especially given as they lost one of their greatest sculpturers.
Well said, Jax! I enjoy a lot of Super7's offerings *because* they are out of the box and what they want to make. Had they tried to do exactly what other brands were doing, like many have wanted, I feel like we would lose something special. Sort of related, but I also don't like the precedent of a company soliciting a half-baked item and then just assuming they will fix it later. Can't put my finger on why, just doesn't sit right with me.
@ Thank you! You’re absolutely right, it reminds me of how a lot of video games are released before they’re done and patched up later. It makes me wish the pipeline looked different so that there wasn’t quite so big an asterisk next to the design Lol
Noooo! i can't waste my money on overpriced mediocre figurines of plastic anymore because some people make fun of it noooooo!!!!! also there are 2 reviewers who tried to bend SK arm 90% and it poped off so i dunno dude are you just mistaken or fence sitting??
If I was being charitable, fans are just REALLY into it and derive joy out of analyzing every new photo and every bit of news left, right, upside down, and sideways. Some whole channels are built on taking a sentence of news and milking it for days of content. That much analysis is going to bring out the nitpicks and these waves of anxiety and criticism and relief and hope with every new photo. Then on top of that you have the fact that Godzilla fandom is one of the most toxic and fractious fandoms. People don't just like what they like... they HATE anything else. If they like Godzilla they HATE Kong. If they like Hiya they HATE SHMA. On it goes. That is going to exacerbate the cycle you're talking about.
Yeah I literaly have sh figures and hiya figures, godzilla and kong figures. Then I realize that most people only have one of these four things because they don't like the other three and I just get very confused.
I’ve said many dumb and stupid opinions about these types of things, but I can’t guarantee one thing. Godzilla collectors constantly want more, and more from these companies, when they finally put out something, the fans always go out of their way to either give criticism first, or bash about its existence. I rarely ever hear anyone say extremely positive things about the products. For example the new Titanic Creations Yongary figure, looks very good, and has great looking paint and amazing accessories. The articulation however needs drastic improvements. Why can’t most of us first give our positive thoughts about these products, then give our constructive criticism afterwards, instead of trying to correct people about their own opinions in a negative way?
People are always gonna be reactionary. It's just the way of things. I have less sympathy for monsterarts because their figures are more expensive, so I'm all for people being critical of images when deciding to pay $100+ usd. But some definitely take it too far to the point of being completely unreasonable
When 2000 came everyone just didn’t care that much but when 2003 hiya came out the whole fandom overreacted over a little mistake on the jaws. Saying I WiLl HOlD oF oN BUyiNg It BecAUsE oF THiS
Hiya 2000 was perfect. That's why "no one cared." Cause it was done extremely well. 2002 Hiya, on the other hand? It wasn't just a jaw issue, almost the entire sculpt needed reworking. I memorized the details of that suit. And there were many boxes left unchecked.
@@SpaijitI feel the reaction was a bit too much, one small mistake we KNOW they will fix and instead of providing valid criticism some people just lose their minds. Thankfully some people DID provide actual criticism which is more helpful than "SHMA:🤡 Hiya:🗿" from ole billy who's fresh outta the womb
@@GojiWars Most people gave criticism , you are focusing on a small niche of a already small niche and making a big deal out of it , like you complain about people ding it with figurines but you are doing it with those people too.
90° would be ass, this is just decent in 5:13 What you want is the optimal thing, having it go all the way up, should it be that way? For that price, yes. Is the range in 5:13 bad? Fuck no.
After seeing reviews from Figuremaniashow and Steven's Toy Reviews on Skar King's arm articulation they show that he's arms can't go pass 90 degrees without popping off the ball joint.
@@kaijucanuck4492yeah but Ezila82 is telling the truth, fms video was a mixed bag, as he said the articulation wasnt bad, his SK arm popped out as soon as he tried to go past 90°, then Steven showed EXACTLY the same. Basically the contrary of what you said in the video "people say it cant go past 90, then they show a picture where it does" happened in fms SK video. I don't think he did it on purpose, but as I said, Ezila is right on this, im not joking either. Although at 7:50 fms shows that he can totally look like in the movie if you put some fucking effort into not making the figure look ugly, cheffs kiss
@@kaijucanuck4492 It can did Articulation Series demonstrate this in a review? Man, this video reminded me of the color for SHMA Minus one that in certain lights Godzilla was a bit tan in color, but nope he was way darker.
This pretty much only happens mostly with shma, because I haven’t seen anyone complaining about a hiya figure since Kong 2017. (This is in hands so not 2002. And I haven’t seen anything about 2014 yet) People clearly seem to be in this illusion that there’s this bloodshed between the two companies, when really they’re trying to do business, not compete. People complain about figures that use concept art, and look bad from it. Their intention was to use concept art. And it looks hella accurate (to the concept art). Lots complaining on shma’s part about the repaints, calling hiya some saint, when they didn’t think of the, what, 8 maybe 9 repaints that hiya did. I love both companies, and I know I’m getting sidetracked, but this comparison needs to stop. Let them do business.
Hiya has gotten plenty complaints with figures. The energized Godzilla spines were much thicker than they needed to be. The skull devils mouth membranes tore a lot. The most recent complaint is 2014’s teeth not being great. And for their repaints, they don’t increase the price. And in Ghidorahs case, they drop it in price.
With super7 I did notice it, but with 2014, I hadn't seen it. I just think the overhype has always been annoying, but I won't stop trolling in the comments.
For MonsterVerse releases, they try to have product ready close to when the movie comes out. This means they need to use references that are 12 months before the movie comes out, roughly. So, if something changes before the movie comes out, SHMA is already in production.
Shma sucks and they charge way to much for shitty articultion and shitty paint job. I stopped collecting them over 4 years ago and never looked back. Switched to X Plus. 9/10 figures are great. Where as 1/10 figures are good for shma. I dont care about articulation so X plus works for me. People who do like articulation, well im sorry for you and youre better off buying cheaper Hiya.
Good god thank you for finally saying it. Same thing happened with the SHMA 91 goji iirc, and I still love that figure because its GOOD. Like shut up about "articulation regression", you clearly just want to have something to complain about.
Agreed. This cycle is so annoying. The internet loves to overreact.
Finally someone who is making sense out of this situation, people need to start thinking a bit more logical. This is getting so out of hand and people can't enjoy figures anymore because of everyone making everything out to be so bad.
The thing about the Skar King's elbows is that they could have use double jointed hinge elbows like a normal SH Figuarts. Using dumbell style joints is just unnecessary because elbows and knees don't need to swivel and hinges can allow a deeper bend in one axis.
I stopped the cycle when I stopped buying SHMA. If a brand is making you miserable, then stop wasting energy on it.
Love the Steven’s Toy Reviews callout during the Skar King section referencing his upright/hunched stance
I haven't watched his video, don't know what he said about the figure.
@ well then a hilarious coincidence. In his Skar King review he insists that Skar King’s posture is more upright and keeps the head up throughout the review. Also great video I mostly agree with your takes :) keep up the good work
@@emperorkiron3470 he insists that because that's how bandai showed the figure in the promotional material for it
@ hey im not taking either side here, either way to me its just a mid release thats oversized but not worthless
7:23
As a total casual when it comes to these things, this segment with the photos was a real eye-opener. I knew lighting had some impact on how the paint apps looked, but not to such a degree!
This is something that affects the larger internet as a whole.
Is that true?
@@filipzimolag3314100% yes. It's a cycle of binary reactionism enforced by the internet. Everything is either "shit" or "amazing", there can be no in-between like in real life. It's been this way for what? Since 2005 or earlier with discourse on the internet?
@filipzimolag3314 Yup. I've seen it happen time and time again, like with the MCU or Helluva Boss season 2. There will be times where you'll get Deadpool and Wolverine or season 2 episode 6 where people will love it and claim its 'back', but as soon as a mid or bad thing comes out like episode 8 or what if season 3, people will say it's 'over'. It's always a switch up act and I'm tired of seeing it. Like come on, IS IT BACK OR NOT!?
I HATE Helluva Boss!
Its like this for almost everything on the internet these days. Im so tired of it all.
I some what agree my only issue is when SH Monsterarts are charging the price they are you deserve a figure that looks as near as the quality as in the promo shots. It dose not bother me as much if HIYA figures are not accurate as the promo shots as the price point is not as high. If you're gonna expect your customers to pay the prices, you want what you pay for.
That's fair
Exactly this. I've stopped buying SHMA ever since the prices increased, with the quality of each figure seemingly degrading. Godzilla Ultima was the most I spent on one, but his quality was still nearly in line with the promo images. I've yet to see one Godzilla minus one photo where the head sculpt is as sharp as the original promo images.
Given the cheaper price point of Hiya, it's very likely that unless SHMA improves the final release quality to match the promo images, I'll take my business to them. They've already won me over on both Evolved and 2000.
just for the record, you re-sold me on skar king.
It has to be a minority of collectors. For how awful and obsolete SHMA is made out to be these days, figures are still selling and the line remains a staple of Kaiju toy channels. Despite HIYA being set to release a comparable product for a fraction of the price, collectors still showed up for SHMA dropping Godzilla Evolved. It’s almost like the community is more than a handful of TH-camrs and their teenage fans clowning around in comment sections.
The market outside of Japan has always been the minority, and its where you see most of the reactionary discussion
@@kaijucanuck4492exactly! And people conveniently forgot, Hiya is unable to sell in Japan. SHMA is based in Japan.
0:11 actually, shin is in America. On Christmas Eve I went to New York and the Tamashii Nations store there and they actually had shin there for sale
I went to LA two days ago and bought him, so yeah I’m very happy to say he is here!
Oh amazing!
They also have one in Newbury comics at The Maine Mall
I think that while everything that you said about the bad faith with some pics of the figures and the reactionary sentiment over the Godzilla figures is real, the lack of consistency about what the companys are selling doesn't help either. I mean yeah, we have to know that everything that is showed from the renders, the promotional pictures and the convention sculpts is not the final product, but at the end of the day we are the final clients and all those things that I mentioned are meant to convince us to buy the product and start saving money for that. If they don't take care for that consistency, as a client maybe I won't save that money for the product but at the same time I feel frustrated at first I wanted that product.
I think that while yeah, people overreact, they give reasons to do that. At least that is what I percieve of this situation.
I think we're saying similar things! There's always going to be variance in the products themselves, as well as how they are photographed. That's why you need more data than a single frame or two
The cycle won't ever end, but the best that people can do is control themselves a bit better and not be impulsive with their reactions. I've certainly been guilty of it, but almost always ended up backtracking and thought to myself, "hold on, let's wait till I get it in-hand before judging it." Worst case scenario, if a figure doesnt meet my expectations I'll just sell it and be done with it. That's also why I try not to preorder things anymore. If I like how the final product turned out, I'll get it then.
W video this topic is really annoying to me. People are so hostile over one photo just because it’s off putting over another. Like bruh not everyone’s copy will be like that.
Exactly like when they saw the 2014 shma they think all figs wil look like that 💀
I would say the majority of the people complaining were never going to purchase the figure anyways.
The skar king figure looks goated but the jaw just needs to be lower
Maybe Bandai needs to stop overly stylizing their figures
Im angry no one seems to understand this. Ive been saying this for ages, mostly in the shmonsterarts subreddit, and i get downvoted to oblivion. Now suddenly, our god of kaiju figures apperantly, has spoken, and im going to see more people that have this option. Genuinely, most of this community is little gremlins who cant make opinions for themselves. I really hate the godzilla community as a whole, because most of them are just little kids who get opinions from the internet. Im not sure how to feel at this point, and no ones probably reading this anyways.
Short hand reactionists unfortunately dominate everything now, especially impressions. Figures are probably have the largest discrepancy of what they look like in a photo than what they look like in person, and despite collectors usually having dozens of these in hand they are somehow always shocked by the differences LIGHTING makes. Especially in video reviews where studio lighting, from budget to professional is used. Its also tied usually with budgetary concerns, the more expensive the figures are, the higher the expectations and the more sensitive the knee-jeek reactions will be.
I agree with whole-heartedly the quick to panic mentality of collectors is exhausting and unfun, you can be critical of a line, but to blow up saying "it looks like shit!" With every new solicitation makes me think these people are new to the hobby, ignorant of it, havent had enough experienced with different product lines, IPs manufacturers what different price points bring to the table, or just parrot their favourite reviewer without any first hand experience with the figure. Such as when Anthony Customs shits on a popular figure or STR people line up in the comment sections of other reviewers who held in hand to tell them their wrong or this other person "said X is this, Y is not" etc. It's like that with game reviews and movie reviews where there must be this usually criticism of the media, and differences opinions on SUBJECTIVE reviews are not allowed to exist all at once...you know like how REAL LIFE WORKS.
Its fucking exhausting and will never end and good luck in the future being now knee-deep in the thick of it doing reviews. Like everytime I see a comment war with Hiya and Sh Monsterarts I just roll my eyes. You can like both guys or one or the other it doesnt have to be civil war in every comment section.
A lot of hate on the new Bandai box set, there is nothing wrong with any of the figures but yet so many ungrateful babies are upset and complaining about nothing. Like people just need to be grateful or just not buy it
Exercising a little bit of patience & brainpower goes a long way that sadly most toy fans seem to ignore. This is especially true with Hot Toys fans who will nitpick the crap out of pic of a toy before it's even out.
People just love to overreact and over hate on figures like, we just can't wait until the figure comes out and then people they bring up more "problems" that aren't even problems to begin with. I hate this cycle of people's opinions changing 24/7 of these figures.
I"m heading to Super7 store in San Diego today !! I'm searching for 1200° Godzilla 😊
If you go tomorrow, I know a guy that can give you a small discount
Agree. Its it was so worst on Instagram and Facebook, that i started to unfollowed people/blocking. Aftermaxgman was the worst one, always trying to rattle the shma and hyia Fandom. Ultimate gifter.
Can SOMEONE please call that dude out? It's like NOBODY seems to notice how bad it's gotten. He is quite literally an account that used to be good with news and then became nothing but pure rage, but also with the same people who followed for news. Shoot, he's legit tried to go after Canuck once for DARING to not be super angry over the GxK G and K figures back in March. He is one of the most toxic people in the fandom and it just is a shame that we don't say anything or try to be better.
@@GojiWars I've called him out before and it resulted in STR whining and then blocking me on twitter over it. Aftermaxgman and STR are two of the worst Ragebait grifters in the collecting community and it's infuriating.
I’m not sure what people are expecting? It’s not like the average Joe has access to a fully equipped high end camera studio or light box that is capable of taking incredible pictures. Some folks like content creators who have a huge incentive and possibly a little more cash to help showcase their products can certainly benefit from a photography booth like this. But for the rest of us, who are more than likely living within our means and just have to make do with whatever we have on hand? Yeah sorry…no professional photographs here. Consider yourself lucky if I decide not to include the pile of my own inconvenient mistakes as the background
I'm happy to see when average joes get product in hand. If it's the first photo to come out, I'm not going to make judgments of the figure based on it.
The thing I don’t get is the skar king figure looks really good? But the face looks the slightest bit off so everyone throws a hissy fit. It’s a good figure. I can understand if their $140 Godzilla has a messed up head but this figure thoroughly looks good. People glaze hiya so much that SHMA is considered trash now. SHMA figures are good. I like them. If you like hiya that’s fine but let people enjoy things.
Im not the biggest fan of shma skar king but still a solid figure might get him still
It is a vicious cycle indeed, and one that is only expounded upon by people who don’t actually own the products they’re usually unfairly scrutinizing. Evolved Godzilla was a perfect example, particularly with that world-ending green hue the figure apparently had, which made people go into a frenzy. Lo and behold: Lighting plays a big part in how these figures look. And, that heavy green dry brushing wasn’t so heavy after all, and is barely noticeable (looking at my copy right now). Evolved has also turned around pretty much completely in its reputation, now that people have like, actually gotten their hands on it in mass.
I think a lot of people also forget to take into account that there isn’t one person who paints these figures, right? There are multiple painters who apply said application by hand, and probably work on, what, a myriad of copies a day? There are bound to be some variations here and there, just as there will be differences in joint tolerance, sculpt, and other logistical things that go into figure production.
I think as well that we all need to remember that these figures are made in the thousands, or perhaps the several hundreds depending on the rarity. One, two, or maybe 5 lackluster examples that we see online does not even begin to account for the other thousands of copies that have nothing wrong with them. It’s tiring to have to go through this nearly every time a new release is revealed, and I’m glad that there’s some light getting eloquently shed on it.
People will take either one opinion from someone online and run with it as gospel to say that the entire production line of a product is bad, or they’ll see one photo taken in an unflattering lighting condition and go, “see? Look at how bad that is!”
It’s tiresome dude, lol.
The night color version is the worst thing I never seen
Thank you so much for making this video!
To be honest. I personally prefer to just go off of the prototype then the figure that i get at this point. The community has kinda ruined seeing a new figure in hand for me honestly. Shma or hiya. To the point that it's not all that exciting to see a review or in hand photos of new figures.... (shma evolved godzilla and hiya g14 are a great example of this) i don't even want to know how it's going to be when the shma shimo releases....... I'm not looking forward to that.. (the arguments. I am looking forward to the figure)
Also. What do you think of the new profile picture?
I dig the new photo! Looks cool
@kaijucanuck4492 thank you. It took me 4 days to make.
WE HATE IT
WE LOVE IT
WE HATE IT
WE LOVE IT
WE DON'T KNOW ANYMORE!!!
The movie.
IDK if this is a hot take but I've got to be honest, I really feel that fandoms have too much input. Hiya completely overhauling a sculpt because people threw a fit over it is absurd to me, and I think it sets a very unhealthy precedent for the relationship between audience and creator. My feeling is that if you don't like the look of a toy, don't buy it. Audience feedback is hugely important, and I really appreciate companies/creators who communicate with their audience. That being said, I don't believe it's the audience's place to determine the creative decisions of the product. If Mechagodzilla looks a bit more slender than you'd like, I don't think you have the right to call for an overhaul of the sculpt. I understand wanting to please the customer, but I also feel that customer's are becoming increasingly unpleasable, be it because of increasing prices or increased amounts of input straight to the manufacturer. That's part of the reason I don't dip into high-end figures beyond the occasional Ultimates or Hiya. There's so much vitriol and animosity surrounding the tiniest details, it takes the fun out of enjoying action figures. At a certain point, I wonder if some people just want statues. Personally, I've pretty much stopped listening to reactions to new releases until trusted sources report on them because it feels so much like people trying to prove a point about their tribal line loyalties, (MonsterArts loyalist, Super7 loyalist, etc.) which defeats the purpose for me. My hope is that moving forward, folks will recognize that this isn't an exact science, and will, in your words, chill the hell out and give it a friggin' minute
Preach brother!
I personally saw no problem with Godzilla 2002 when it was first revealed. But people complain, unfairly I think, on something that's a prototype. Give your critiques but don't Bash Hiya. Especially given as they lost one of their greatest sculpturers.
@ Facts
Well said, Jax! I enjoy a lot of Super7's offerings *because* they are out of the box and what they want to make. Had they tried to do exactly what other brands were doing, like many have wanted, I feel like we would lose something special.
Sort of related, but I also don't like the precedent of a company soliciting a half-baked item and then just assuming they will fix it later. Can't put my finger on why, just doesn't sit right with me.
@ Thank you! You’re absolutely right, it reminds me of how a lot of video games are released before they’re done and patched up later. It makes me wish the pipeline looked different so that there wasn’t quite so big an asterisk next to the design Lol
They did the same thing to Godzilla evolved looking up capabilities. It takes some time and fiddling so mine can
Noooo! i can't waste my money on overpriced mediocre figurines of plastic anymore because some people make fun of it noooooo!!!!!
also there are 2 reviewers who tried to bend SK arm 90% and it poped off so i dunno dude are you just mistaken or fence sitting??
You are a clown man
Yoooo, a name drop???
Doooope.
If I was being charitable, fans are just REALLY into it and derive joy out of analyzing every new photo and every bit of news left, right, upside down, and sideways. Some whole channels are built on taking a sentence of news and milking it for days of content. That much analysis is going to bring out the nitpicks and these waves of anxiety and criticism and relief and hope with every new photo. Then on top of that you have the fact that Godzilla fandom is one of the most toxic and fractious fandoms. People don't just like what they like... they HATE anything else. If they like Godzilla they HATE Kong. If they like Hiya they HATE SHMA. On it goes. That is going to exacerbate the cycle you're talking about.
Well said!!
Yeah I literaly have sh figures and hiya figures, godzilla and kong figures. Then I realize that most people only have one of these four things because they don't like the other three and I just get very confused.
Nobody accused Godzilla fans of being rational
I’ve said many dumb and stupid opinions about these types of things, but I can’t guarantee one thing. Godzilla collectors constantly want more, and more from these companies, when they finally put out something, the fans always go out of their way to either give criticism first, or bash about its existence. I rarely ever hear anyone say extremely positive things about the products. For example the new Titanic Creations Yongary figure, looks very good, and has great looking paint and amazing accessories. The articulation however needs drastic improvements.
Why can’t most of us first give our positive thoughts about these products, then give our constructive criticism afterwards, instead of trying to correct people about their own opinions in a negative way?
While people love and hate, I thrive... Cos I JUST do the hate part
its like every has ADHD , the attention span of a a kid high on sugar
People are always gonna be reactionary. It's just the way of things. I have less sympathy for monsterarts because their figures are more expensive, so I'm all for people being critical of images when deciding to pay $100+ usd. But some definitely take it too far to the point of being completely unreasonable
When 2000 came everyone just didn’t care that much but when 2003 hiya came out the whole fandom overreacted over a little mistake on the jaws. Saying I WiLl HOlD oF oN BUyiNg It BecAUsE oF THiS
Hiya 2000 was perfect. That's why "no one cared." Cause it was done extremely well. 2002 Hiya, on the other hand? It wasn't just a jaw issue, almost the entire sculpt needed reworking. I memorized the details of that suit. And there were many boxes left unchecked.
@@SpaijitI feel the reaction was a bit too much, one small mistake we KNOW they will fix and instead of providing valid criticism some people just lose their minds. Thankfully some people DID provide actual criticism which is more helpful than "SHMA:🤡 Hiya:🗿" from ole billy who's fresh outta the womb
@@GojiWars Most people gave criticism , you are focusing on a small niche of a already small niche and making a big deal out of it , like you complain about people ding it with figurines but you are doing it with those people too.
Let them fight!!
The Godzilla figure community overreacts to everything I wish they could just appreciated things more
5:13 for a double jointed elbow of a lanky figure, that range is ass
90° would be ass, this is just decent in 5:13
What you want is the optimal thing, having it go all the way up, should it be that way? For that price, yes. Is the range in 5:13 bad? Fuck no.
@@lautaroasis60 Its bad for the price.
After seeing reviews from Figuremaniashow and Steven's Toy Reviews on Skar King's arm articulation they show that he's arms can't go pass 90 degrees without popping off the ball joint.
The photo in this video is from The Articulation Series, whose Skar King can bend the elbow more than 90°
@@kaijucanuck4492yeah but Ezila82 is telling the truth, fms video was a mixed bag, as he said the articulation wasnt bad, his SK arm popped out as soon as he tried to go past 90°, then Steven showed EXACTLY the same.
Basically the contrary of what you said in the video "people say it cant go past 90, then they show a picture where it does" happened in fms SK video. I don't think he did it on purpose, but as I said, Ezila is right on this, im not joking either.
Although at 7:50 fms shows that he can totally look like in the movie if you put some fucking effort into not making the figure look ugly, cheffs kiss
@@kaijucanuck4492 It can did Articulation Series demonstrate this in a review? Man, this video reminded me of the color for SHMA Minus one that in certain lights Godzilla was a bit tan in color, but nope he was way darker.
This pretty much only happens mostly with shma, because I haven’t seen anyone complaining about a hiya figure since Kong 2017. (This is in hands so not 2002. And I haven’t seen anything about 2014 yet) People clearly seem to be in this illusion that there’s this bloodshed between the two companies, when really they’re trying to do business, not compete. People complain about figures that use concept art, and look bad from it. Their intention was to use concept art. And it looks hella accurate (to the concept art). Lots complaining on shma’s part about the repaints, calling hiya some saint, when they didn’t think of the, what, 8 maybe 9 repaints that hiya did. I love both companies, and I know I’m getting sidetracked, but this comparison needs to stop. Let them do business.
Here’s the difference, hiya’s repaints are actually good unlike most of shma’s
Hiya has gotten plenty complaints with figures. The energized Godzilla spines were much thicker than they needed to be. The skull devils mouth membranes tore a lot. The most recent complaint is 2014’s teeth not being great. And for their repaints, they don’t increase the price. And in Ghidorahs case, they drop it in price.
Charging $200 for a figure that has a horrible paint job and falls apart if you even touch it is just absurd. I wish people would stop buying shma
With super7 I did notice it, but with 2014, I hadn't seen it. I just think the overhype has always been annoying, but I won't stop trolling in the comments.
I always wondered, why does Monsterarts choose to use concept art instead of official designs most of the time?
For MonsterVerse releases, they try to have product ready close to when the movie comes out. This means they need to use references that are 12 months before the movie comes out, roughly. So, if something changes before the movie comes out, SHMA is already in production.
@ Ah, that does make sense.
I just got my sh monsterarts godzilla evolved and he looks so good and my sh monsterarts scar king should be here soon
Did you ever purchase the 18 inch Mezco Godzilla?
No, too expensive
Who's going to tell him about the Sonic cycle?
Oh no
@@kaijucanuck4492 lol
GxK figures still look good
They should get into Paw Patrol toys. WAY better quality control, durability, and they could definitely stop Godzilla. 👍
Erm actually they're really overprieced and lackluster range
Shma sucks and they charge way to much for shitty articultion and shitty paint job. I stopped collecting them over 4 years ago and never looked back. Switched to X Plus. 9/10 figures are great. Where as 1/10 figures are good for shma. I dont care about articulation so X plus works for me. People who do like articulation, well im sorry for you and youre better off buying cheaper Hiya.
Thankyou for this video, you continue to open up discussion doors that gets the community thinking and talking 🔥🔥🔥 love the videos man 👑
Super 7 Godzilla minus 1 his eyes a figure is not good. It looks so bad. You know what you mean.
Skar King laughing at Kong. 😂
Customers laughing at Skar King's head sculpts. 😂😂😂
Good god thank you for finally saying it. Same thing happened with the SHMA 91 goji iirc, and I still love that figure because its GOOD. Like shut up about "articulation regression", you clearly just want to have something to complain about.
I can’t believe it. Kaiju Canuck seems to actually be reading my mind because I always agree with what he says
Skar King is one of the best figures ever made. People giving it bad reviews and pictures are paid off by Hiya