You have to remember Medicine is also a practical field so although grades are important i'd rather have someone who can get things done than just a bookworm.
One thing ive noticed working in emergency medicine, is that you need that proper balance of someone who is smart... But not TO smart where they think theyre smarter than everyone else and NEVER study, or learn somthing new. Along with a balance of someone who is willing to ACT.
Do not use agencies. Agencies charge €2000-€5000 unnecessarily. I applied straight to the uni and didn’t cost me more than €200 to get all the documents notarized, translated and posted.
Hi Kessy, Could you tell me how to demonstrate the authenticity of study documents submitted for recognition/equivalence purposes if my country is not part of the Hague Convention. What additional authentication need to be carried out. How did you notarize your documents. Thank you!
@@Rachel_Tensions i guess it depends on the agency and your personal experience. a lot of people would agree with me when i say that it is entirely possible to do the application process on your own without having to give pretty much an entire semester fee extra to an agency whose only role in the whole process is to handle a few papers a process i personally dont think should cost so much. especially when the representatives of such agencies dont care about helping the students and their sole interest is in your money.
Just to let you know the students do get in to uni, for example at pleven uni like he mentioned they took in 300 people last year but only 150 made it past year 2 (pre-clinical) So be aware it might be easier to get in with entrance exams but there is a work load! Good luck everyone
is it because they can only take 150 students from year 2 onwards or is it possible to have all of the cohort go into year 2. so is the pass rate determined by the cohort performance or is it a fixed percentage to pass?
And how's that going? How do you compare Jessenius uni to Comenius uni (Bratislava vs. Martin)? I'd like to ask few more questions if you don't mind and you're open to it?
For those looking down on individuals who study medicine/dentistry in east europe, should know that these institutions jave a very long history of producing good medics. after all during the communist period many nations sent their students there. its always been a palce of learnig the difference is much more ppl are now flocking to it. as long as its approved by gdc gmc then i dont see why there is a fuss. in America those that studied in east europe are sought after than a uk graduate with a bds or mbbs
apparently having zero standards produces good doctors...hmm ok, cool. ALL students there EXCLUSIVELY are there because they couldn't get anywhere else... You wanna compare that degree with medical degrees from Germany or the UK? I know people that left Germany because they couldn't take the pressure anymore or because they failed the course and found these eastern europe degrees a breeze.. What does that tell you? That the level of education is the same???
@@theonoi2908 so are you saying that uk and Germany are the only places that produces good Doctors? I disagree. UK has over 30% medics that have come from ASIA. They are one of the best medics you could ask for and same for eastern Europeans. Having medics from different parts of the world gives work place a variety of input. Also, you must be narrow minded to think that other countries dont do a good degree. If you want send me a DM, I will give you eastern unis physiology syllabus ;) let's see how you cope with 120 topics. PS. CANT SAY THING ENOUGH THAT NOT EVERYONE THAT GETS IN GRADUATES. Many people cant make it!! Per year there might 200 enrolling but around 120 graduate !! Or less
Theonoi actually there are many people from the UK (not just Eastern Europeans) who go over to Eastern Europe to get medical procedures done even though they have to pay for them there as there are much better doctors and also Eastern European doctors tend to screw up a
@@theonoi2908 What I can say is that its hard to get into medical school in the UK because of supply and demand. There are too many people who want to do medicine vs how many spots there are. Go back 30 years and it was much much easier; in fact most of the senior doctor consultants who practice in UK hospitals probably wouldn't have got in if they were students today. Furthermore the UK has a massive shortage of Dr graduates, and with many Junior docs leaving the UK because of how poorly we are paid, this shortage will increase to over 30%. We need folk going to study medicine abroad and then come back to the UK to practice or else we're all screwed.
If you want to study medicine abroad and want to work in the UK after, it’s a good start to look at the GMC World Medical Directory to see if the university is GMC accredited. Most EU countries are on the list and the GMC recognises them for their quality education. Agencies like Medlink only offer those Medical degrees that are accredited by the GMC. Despite this, in the future, every medical student wanting to work in the UK, be it British students will have to sit the UKMLA anyway to work as a registered practitioner.
For anyone interested in studying medicine, Italy is also an amazing (and cheap) option. You take one entrance exam, the IMATs (that is actually conducted by the university of Cambridge) and with the score you get on that exam you can apply to 13 different universities that offer 6-year medical courses in english (including Padova, Milan, Bologna and Rome that are among the best universities in europe).
Saphrez it’s just one exam though, way less challenging than having a 4.0 gpa and A* grades + extracurriculars... plus you don’t need a perfect score the minimum scores are relatively low especially in medical schools in the south. I only prepared for 2 months and got in, not too hard tbh
I study at the medical university of Vienna in Austria(which is not easteurope but I guess it counts), which is seen as a good medical university in Europe and worldwide. Depending on multiple rankings it is in the top 50 or at least top 100 worldwide and the third to fifth best German speaking university for medicine in the most liveable city of the world. You have to pass an entrance exam to get in the program and to study for free. To be honest it is way harder for foreigners to compete in this test ((and it is more difficult than getting A grades in class). As a foreigner you have to be the best person out of 20 on average (mostly well prepared and motivated persons from Germany (for Austrians1:10). The test ist called Medat and requires 9 hours of pure concentration. You have to answer very difficult questions concerning biology math chemistry and physics in addition to an sort of iq test. Many people fail this test many times until they give up. It is not easier to get in at all. A grades don't give you any kind of advantage for this test. You have to compete on one day and resist tremendous psychological pressure because when you fail you have to wait one year to repeat the entrance exam. In addition to this you have 8217 candidates this year for 740 places to study who write the test next to you in gigantic halls. Sorry for any mistakes I made but I don't want to check this again✌️
@@pawneko5248 Yes but I am german. In order to succeed this test you have to understand German flawlessly. There is nearly no chance without nearly mother tongue skills
@jan simonidesI don't share your opinion at all. In every city, which is about this size, there will always be some areas which are not that appealing compared to others. Depending on the two biggest studies/rankings from mercer and the economist Vienna is the most liveable city of the world. Public transportation for example is great, nothing to complain about. Vienna is a great place to study and to live✌️
The entrance exams are super hard here, speaking of the Czech Republic and Slovakia. So you really have to prepare for them and a month or so is not enough. Alongside biology and chemistry, in most entrance exams there is also physics (and it´s horrible).
first of all, Thanks Ali for the awesome videos. second, happy Eid. I am a final year medical student from Egypt and right now IMGs (from outside Europe and the UK) have this exam called PLAB, it is a two-part exam; the first is a basic science exam which is held in different countries and the second is a clinical exam held only in London, score is not important the results came out as PASS OR FAILED and if the student had his 6th year it is equivalent of FY1, so he apply for FY2 after GMC registration.
Foundation years they are like training years and are the beginning to enter the system in the UK after that you either go into core medical training or core surgical training. P.S : i am not in the UK and my info are dependent on what I've read about this pathway because i am trying to set for plab in the coming years before they apply the UKMLE system
It’s a shame, in uk , the fees for international students are more expensive than English students , why ? I don’t understand? You can study medicine In uk only if you’re parents are rich . In France 🇫🇷, is the same fees for everyone . Sorry for my English.
Hi, Ali! Would you please make a video on how and when medical students apply for FY1?What is required, the timeline etc.? I haven't started my course yet, but I think it's good to have a picture of the road ahead now, instead of leaving it to the last year of medicine.
Update for everyone: New vision university did in fact open up a course for graduate programme where you can study 1 year pre-clinical in Georgia and 3 years of clinical rotations here in the U.K. it is private though so ;)
yo fam no hate on Poland fam. in Poland you have to have at least 90% in equivalent of british A levels in both biology and chemistry exams to study medicine only the best students get to study medicine its way harder than in "eastern countrys" and acutally those people from Poland who dont get the double 90 go to slovania, ukraine etc Also the most popular direction for Germans who cant study in their country is to go to Ryga
I am a British 2nd year British medical student studying in Poland. I can say that the theoretical standards are very high in Poland. In fact I have a youtube channel and I vlog my life as a Medical student studying in Poland. Would be lovely if you could check it out. You can ask me questions about Poland.
Dude I am studying medicine here in Gdansk. It is extremely difficult in every aspects that you could imagine. Not to mention their expectations of ideal students is so high. I should go back to study bye.
Sorry but don’t think Abdullah actually explained well what the coarse entails. No it’s not two years preclinical, it’s 3 years preclinical which consists of: 2 years of anatomy 1 year physiology, 1 pathophysiology, which UK students do not do or only study for 3-6 months. We then do 3 years of clinical. So in total 6 years. Then once we complete our state exams which decides whether we are competent doctors, the state exams are in line with EU regulations, we can then apply for GMC and work as an FY1 however not be included in the FY1 training programme which is only available to UK graduates
I am from Czech, I study medicine in Prague but i have to mention that the demands on english speaking students are minor than on us czech speaking students... Becouse we study for free so we can be kicked out very easily :) English course is paid so thats why exams in english are easier... You will become a good doctor, dont worry but bear in mind that our uni is hard almost as Cambridge - for us, czech speaking students :)
@@rayhanahemed5791 well the Charles is the best so its the hardest to get into :) I dont know the rules of admition for international students i study in Czech programme and its different + now with Covid everybody knows nothing...
I’m a medical student in Romania (and romanien) and I would like to mention that yes, you cand get in with low grades, it’s not competitive at all for foreign students because Universities want money, but for us,romaniens it’s quite hard to get in because the majority of us don’t pay the university, it’s free if we get a good grade at the entrance exam. In other words, let’s take an example: my university offer about 300 places for romaniens and 100 for foreign students so romaniens and foreign student can’t compete for the same places. And because the universities want to “keep” them few foreign students fail the year...sad I have some friends at english section and I can say that they don’t get to speak romanien not even after 5 years and when they are in hospital can’t really speak with the pacients. Some of them don’t have the fundamental knowledge to be there..I know some of them who learnt romanien and transfered to romanien section because they wanted to study for real (is more serious at romanien section).
I want to do medicine, but I'm scared I won't get an offer in the UK. I'm planning to study in Bulgaria if things don't work out. If I graduate from Bulgaria medical school, I'm planning to go to work in the USA. My question is If I graduate from a medical school in Bulgaria, will I be taught the same things I would be taught I the UK or will I just be poorly educated in Medicine and not know much? Also, will it be easier to study Medicine in Bulgaria?
when you get an MD degree (Masters of Medicine) I believe you can work in the UK, us, Canada without an issue at all as it is an internationally recognized qualification
@@georgiam.3957 Yes they do but I remember vividly that the US does have a connection to a few European universities including poznan University and a few others that enables graduates to directly apply to the US. But generally the US typically don't fully recognise most unis in Europe including the UK unis. Best thing ppl can do is to apply for a 2 year course in the states that tops up your degree which enables you to get the medical licence to practice.
@@Hurrehurra Thank you for explaining this but i kinda already knew it . I find it so dumb tho the whole 2years extra course cause most European students study in English
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I'd just like to say, as a European med student, the idea that studying medicine in Europe isn't that hard (application wise) is very misleading, especially for non european students. There are a few universities that actually teach in english and are "made" for international students, but most countries only teach in their native language (trust me, I've looked into a lot of the options) and the application methods are very inflexible. For example here, in Portugal, you can't even get in with international exams, you have to do our form of A levels in portuguese and apply the same way as every portuguese student, and through the same process to every university in the country, and the averages aren't so low as well. In fact, a lot of people do turn to more international eastern europe universities as an alternative with B/B+ averages, because they couldn't get in here. And I know in a lot of countries it isn't that much easier, and the bureaucracy is crazy. And more power to who decides to go down that path, it's your choice, all I'm saying is that speaking of Europe in such general terms is a bit misleading, since it's actually much more complicated than that. That being said, I think this video is going to helpful to a lot of people, just think you should have been a bit more specific :)
Hello everyone, starting from next month, I'll be a 3rd year student in Palacky university, Olomouc, Czechia. If anyone wants to know anything about my university, or anything about studying in Czechia in general, please don't hesitate to drop a comment! I'd be glad to help :) Great video by the way, Ali!
Pranzi Hi, I got admitted to one of the medical school in Poland and I assume that the curriculum would be the same as in Czech Republic. Could you please tell me how the first two years were like(pre-clinical) based from your own experiences? I would prefer long answer
Stating that getting into med school in Eastern Europe is easier then in the UK is a false information. Of course, I don't know anything about the admission process of international students, but as a native student in my country (Hungary) you do have to excel in Biology and Chemistry or Physics. Students who want to go into medicine, will have to take the school leaving (A level equivalent) exam from 6 subjects, because there are 4 compulsory ones (literature, history, foreign language, maths) and above that you are required to take Biology and either Chemistry or Physics. I wonder how would it feel like doing 6 A levels, even in subjects that you are not particularly interested in. Students with Bs can't even dream of getting in. I understand that this video is supposed to be a guide for uk students who didn't get in and still want to study medicine. Maybe with international applicants, universities are "softer" (after all, most Hungarian med students don't have tution fees, so it's only internationals where universities can expect some support from), but I still dislike the misinformation that this video suggests: you can get into any eastern-european med school with Bs and Cs because the standard is lower. No, you can get in, because universities see a good deal in you. Medicine has high standards across the world.
It is easier for international students studying the course in English. Same thing happens at many UK universities too with international students coming from abroad as universities can charge them more. Reason you can get into international courses with lower grades in Europe isn't because the standard is low but because there is less demand for it at the moment. As soon as the demand rises (which it is), so will the entry reqs :)
The seats that foreign students get it, what are the courses which are thought in English, not in the native language!!! It is self-financed seats, students have to pay for the studies lots of money.
Hey, please can you also try and make a video on applying to the US to study medicine and that would be very interesting and I (as well as many others) would greatly appreciate it
@@focusssss994 It's fine tbh. I liked it. Different uni rules compared to UK but the syllabus is pretty much the same with some differences like in first year you study Latin specifically to understand medical terms rather than speaking it
Thanks for your prompt reply. I guess that is some sort of medical terminology if I am not mistaken. Could you please tell me what is the sole purpose of year 6 or last year of medical school. Is it just an ordinal clinical year or is it internship year? Please take your time sir.
As he said in the video the medical graduates will have a chance to practice medicine in any countries in Europe, which is great. Could you tell me where are you going to practice medicine after graduation?
The guy is not talking about studying in Europe in general, like WTF!? Germany for example: 1. It's extremely difficult to get into med-school. We have a grading System for our "high school degree" which we "Abitur" which goes from 1,0 to 6,0 with 1,0 being the best score. 20% of the capacity of a year is reserved for the "best of the best" (called Abitur-best-quota). Even 1,0, the best grade you can have, isn't a gurantee anymore nowadays. 60% of those who get into med-school had to take a STANDARDIZED test called HAM-Nat. Only applicants up to grade 1,8/1,9 (depending on the year) are even invited to take the test. Your score on this test is combined with your abitur-grade and you are being ranked. In 2017 at my university 1649 applicants out of 2809 had been invited to the test. The best 100 got in directly after taking the HAM-Nat, the best 101-300 were invited to take the HAM-Int, a test based on social skills. the best 100 of the HAM-Int (combined with their HAM-Nat-Abitur-score) have been admitted. In conclusion: out of 1649 people taking the test only 200 got in. From 2809 people applying in total, 356 got in. 2. The tuition is basically non-existent in Germany. Its is 300-400€ per semester and most of this is actually your all-year-bus/metro-ticket, so roughly 800€ for the entire year. Don't take what he says too seriously, because it definitely doesnt apply to all of Europe. Spain for example has a different system too (even more competitive in my opinion) and Austria is different again. Here are the statistics: my med-school: www.uke.de/studium-lehre/studienentscheidung/auswahlverfahren/auswahlverfahren-medizin.html all German med-school: zv.hochschulstart.de/fileadmin/media/zv/nc/wise2018_19/bew_zv_ws18.pdf
Anyone has a review on European university Cyprus Frankfurt branch? I want to transfer to EU medical school to practice in Germany. And this university is the only option that I found.
The main difference between UK and Eastern European med schools - clinical skills!! From basic history taking to handover... These are the things you won't be able to learn properly in Bulgaria and Romania.
Sure? In Romania you can do and learn a lot about clinical skills. You just have to learn that language and speak to the patients during the clinical rotations and talk about your anamnesis and your opinion about that case with sour prof.
Studying in Romania etc is of course an alternative, but you should be aware of the differences in education at Oxford, Karolinska Institutet and Oslo versus Romania/Bulgaria for example. In my home country in scandinavia students who have studied at “less desired” countries usually have much less clinical experience when they graduate, and they have a very hard time getting into wanted residencies. “Medicine is medicine” in theory yes, but in reality there are lots of differences in how evidence based medicine is taught, and the standard of education. Food for thought: Imagine if you take all the lowest ranking students who can’t get into their home universities, and put them all into one university abroad, and this university makes money off these lower performing students.
Der Medizinstudent: Studiere in Rumänien, aber auf rumänisch. Habe Praktika in Deutschland und der Schweiz gemacht und finde, dass wir klinisch genauso gebildet sind, wie die Schweizer und deutschen Studenten. Ich kenne aber auch einige Studenten die auf englisch studieren und dort ist der Unterschied zwischen den Studenten sehr groß. Manche sind genauso gut wie wir, viele leider nicht. Von klinischen Fähigkeiten hängt sein Wissen ganz von dir ab. Man kommt leider auch mit minimalen Wissen durch die Prüfungen.
This is an extremely biased point of view. Yes there are students who have come because they didn’t get into their home country however a lot of people for example from Dubai come because there are not any medical schools in their own country. Also many students are there because they want to work in another country other their own. Saying that these universities are taking in the lowest performing students is simply false. If you have ever studied in any of these universities you would probably have a different view to the one you have now. The vast majority are extremely hard working and the fact that they are willing to leave their home for upto 6 years shows some level of commitment.
Are there any Americans who are in this discussion? I would like to study medicine in either Romania or Bulgaria, but have not yet had my documents recognized in either country i.e. High School Diploma with transcripts and the deadline is approaching fast. I did not take my ACT or SAT, but I am currently enrolled at my local community college and set to have my Associates Degree in Science by the end of December. The only thing is I would like to apply ASAP, but not sure if I would even have direct access to the University there.
I'm a med student in czech rep and let me tell you it's brutal. 70% pass mark (sometimes even 75%), oral exams (which require generating the information from scratch because there's no MCQ to recognize the info and make a guess). There are MCQ in many final exams but if you pass you just go to the next step which is an oral exam. And please don't use agencies. In my country they charge 1500 euro for 3 written exams. At the universities it costs around 30 euros each, so even if you fly to czech republic and stay in a hotel you can save well over 1k euros. Agencies are scammers basically but if you confront them they act like the cost is justified. Don't believe this guy saying the process can be tedious. You literally complete an electronic application, attach your ID and high school diploma in their system, pay a small fee and they'll contact you about when to take the exam. That's it. This guy is just after money and gullible people
Hi. Im also from Srilanka and im planning to study abroad. Ill let you know if i find a way and cab u please let me know if u found something related to this
Hi there , could anyone please name me some universities in Europe that don’t require a levels , I’m taking a gap year to retake some of my a level exams as I didn’t manage to pass , but is there any easier shortcut ?
Hey Ali, when you completed your medical work experience, did you contact the hospitals, through their processes, or consultants/doctors directly? Also, do you have any tips for apply to work experience? Thanks!
Does it matter whether we are Bulgarian citizen or international student. In my case I’m double citizen of Turkey and Bulgaria and not capable to pay that money.
I'd like to mention, the med schools in Romania are hilariously corrupt. Because of this, the quality of education is lower than western europe. Don't come here lol. This year only my uni has admitted 150+ questionable people, all from the the same country of origin. Scary thing is you can pay your way up till the graduation and get a diploma even if you can't construct a grammatically correct sentence as an English section student. Seen it with my eyes.
I study in Bulgaria, haven't seen what you are saying down here. Although, if that is the case, the UKMLA is going to make sure only competent medical graduates are able to practice medicine. It is also best to only apply for universities with GMC approval.
I am a 5th year medical student in Romania, I have also seen this kind of situation and I can testify it's true, you can indeed buy your way through, and a lot of people do so (most of them from the same country that I shouldn't mention), however, if you are honest and committed to study and do your thing, you can become a good professional, I have seen many people who graduate here becoming great professionals in western Europe, US and other countries.
Whilst studying medicine in the UK would be everyone’s 1st option because it’s close to home it’s in the comfort of your own country, medicine in Europe is a very good alternative. The degree you get at the end of your studies in Bulgaria is a M.D. (Doctorate of Medicine) which is superior (not trying to sound all snobby like lol) to that of the MBBS you get, so for anyone looking to move to the USA it’s a good option. At the end of the day what matters is not where you graduated from, it’s how good you are at your job.
Tryndy lol no medicine in Europe is for those who aren't smart enough to get into UK medical schools, most European medical students who come back are unable to do the most basic of tasks- it's basically for dumb students to try and get into medicine
SHDUDH Doejwve lol you can think that but at the end of the day a masters if better than a bachelors. Anyway even if you’re worried about incompetent doctors the UKMLA will sort that out. Besides I know loads of people here who are book smart but they have no common sense. You can’t assume everyone is bad, that’s a sweep statement and frankly not the attitude a nhs doctor should have :)
Tryndy "book smart" lol no students who got into UK medical school deserved to get into medical school they are smart enough and made it through every stage required to get into UK medicine. Also "book smart" isn't a bad thing medicine is a very academic course which many students who haven't been able to succeed in a levels won't be able to succeed at medicine
Tryndy and I'll stick by my comment that European doctors from the UK shouldn't be allowed to practise in the UK being unable to make it through the selection process in the U.K. highlights you don't possess the abilities which are required of a competent doctor, namely academic ability so please shut up. An M.D from Bulgaria is nowhere close to the an MBBS from the UK
''at the end of the day it's still the same thing, medicine is medicine''. Me, whilst studying medicine in Germany living in stress and at the verge of a mental breakdown: What???? Just, no.
@@thuraiyaalrawahi1473 Medicine in Germany..hmm not gonna lie, it's not easy, to say the least! The course is divided in 2 sections: pre clinic (which is the first 2 years) and clinic (the rest/4,5 years.). (Some programs are different they are divided 3:3.5 and are differently structured but I don’t know much about them) The hardest part is the first 2 years depending on the program you are doing, which is what every single med student here will tell you. The degree lasts for 13 semesters so 6.5 years, the first 2 years are pre clinical years so you do biology, chemistry, physics, biochemistry, physiology, anatomy and histology and then at the end of the 2 years you have to sit a state exam (called Physikum) It's the hardest exam you will ever have to do during your studies, the past years it had a failure rate from 20 to 25% and it's a 2-consecutive-day written exam consisting of two 4-hour papers and a 4 hour oral exam and you are tested on all subjects mentioned above. It's a hard exam because you are tested on everything written and orally and the level of detail or depth you have to go into is quite high... The oral exam can be a b*tch especially if your examiners are a**holes or racist or both, But don’t let it discourage you, I learned more about dealing with difficult people because of them. For international students it's harder, statistically international students will miss a semester or 2 somewhere along the way (I personally missed 2, most of my international friends have too, most of my German friends in fact have also missed a semester or two so it’s not just us) the language can be a barrier in the beginning sometimes which can make things harder, it's harder to stay concentrated during lectures, etc, oral exams are harder (and almost half of our exams in the pre clinic are oral) but after the 1st year or so the language is not such a problem. It's usually the case that when one fails an exam the re-sit is scheduled for the next semester (state exams for example are only offered once per semester), or some courses are only offered once a year that's why in Germany it's really really easy to miss semesters and the university exams are quite hard to begin with to the point where I haven't sat one single written exam so far where the passing mark stayed the same. The good thing is that they can’t fail an entire class (by law lol) and the massing mark (which is 60%) can go down by one or two percentage points. You only have 2 chances to resit any state or university exam, if you fail an exam the 3rd time you are out and you can never apply to another med school in Germany ever again. Then for the next 3 years you have the clinical part of the studies and then you have to sit another state exam (M2) that's a 3 day 5hour written exam and then for the final year and a half you have your practical year (''praktisches Jahr'') where you basically work as a doctor in a hospital and then at the end you have another state exam, this one varies from hospital to hospital but it usually lasts the entire day because it's practical/oral and it takes place on 2 or 3 consecutive days (not sure, I’m not there yet) Look, it's not an easy journey and you have to be willing to work incredibly hard for this especially as an international student - no, Germany doesn't offer medical courses in English. I haven’t heard of anyone missing semesters in the UK for example, in Germany it’s rarer when one doesn’t miss semesters. I don’t want to dishearten you but I want you to know what you are getting into. Germany is not for everyone. The sense of accomplishment is incredible, the level of education is high, the standards are high, which at the end if you make it can feel amazing. And education is free as it should be everywhere! But as I said in my original comment some professors and some semesters are borderline inhumane and I was on the verge of a breakdown or burnout more than once but I survived, there was one semester where I had an oral anatomy exam every 3 weeks and during those 21 days I had to learn a 300-400 page book, that semester I literally became immune to stress because if I didn’t I would have died! You have to have a thick skin and be able to deal with the stress and the pressure. If you can’t do that (which was the case for me cos im generally an anxious person) then learn how to do that. Med school here has taught me how to value my precious free time because you don’t get much of it, and how to deal with stress and in general has made me personally a better version of myself. So I would recommend it for someone who just wants to push themselves or likes a challenge! Like this guy in the video was explaining how they do Bulgarian the first two years and I keep wondering the f*ck they managed to fit that into the med school schedule because during our first years i was literally trying to find time to sleep and exercise. Obviously, something else there must be lacking…and them saying medicine is medicine is just stupid and ignorant. An entire lifetime won’t be enough to ‘’learn medicine’’, so it depends on how much depth you have of a subject ad how hard those exams are… Oh, and I forgot to mention in Germany you get no ‘’holidays’’, during the semester breaks you are obligated to work at a hospital (without pay), it’s called ‘’krankenpflegedienst’’ where you have to complete 90 days of work during the first 2 years (and I think you can start that before you begin your studies, in this way you can have one free semester break but me personally I didn’t know about it) and then during the clinical years you have to work 30 days every semester break in a hospital or private practice and that’s called a ‘’famulatur’’ in case you wanna look them up. You get a few days off for xmas and Easter though (usually 2 weeks) which is nice. But if you want more time than that then wait till med school is over! Also, here we have no ''study periods'' or ''exam periods'', throughout the year you have exams and courses and lectures simultaneously, there were cases where i had lectures in the morning, courses in the afternoon and then an exam at 18.00 in the evening, so you might wanna learn how to manage your time and prioritize. And this is Germany in a nut shell. Overall it's great, hard but in my opinion worth it especially for medicine where the responsibility of someone's life is literally in your hands...
@@theonoi2908 I didn't read much of what you wrote in that essay. But don't you need a good standard of German linguistics before even being considered Medicine in Germany?
Sir I am from India...but I am planning to study medical in Europe ..so what should I do and what are the requirements...I would be very grateful if u would help me with this.
Hey Ali my daughter wants to study medicine at UK uni my budget 25k-30k£ plz let me know best uni in thus range she is A+ student in all sub n in her 10+1 now im in process 😊😊😊
Hey Ali, I wanted to say one big thank you for all the great work you do. I very much enjoy your videos especially the one on the note taking. Good job man and congratulations on becoming a doctor.
Nope. What matters at the end of the day is whether you’re competent at your job. You’ll see Oxford students working alongside students from lower universities or from abroad.
Laiba Khan Of course! For example my Dad’s graduated from Medical School in Pakistan. He had to give his PLAB and now is a consultant Ma. And right now he’s helping someone who graduated from Leicester with their training. It doesn’t matter where you graduate from. If people can see you’re doing your job then they won’t think for a second that you’re not qualified.
Tryndy Thanks a lot!! I too am a first year med student and my college is apparently not that great according to people i was so tensed!! But i plan to work my butt off!! Thanks!!😊
the difference between intelligence is seen when you wear glasses and not fake as contacts like the dude you interviewed that tells a lot about how you see the world and the decisions you'd make, respect
Hey Ali, I am a medical graduate from India currently preparing for USMLE, I have been curious about working European countries too, in case you meet or know any one who can guide us (the medical graduates who are already doctors from Asian countries or even those who have done their residency in US) about practising in Europe or doing residency (post graduation) in europe, it would be great!! P.S. Really like all your videos.. keep going ahead :)
Hey Laiba, you can follow people on TH-cam who have cleared usmle, you can post questions on Facebook groups which are specifically meant either for step 1 or 2 and some of them are there to provide reliable guidance. If you need any help, you can ask me.
If you're asking due to stressing about the exams, I really wouldn't worry too much. I'm not a med student; I'm doing computer science in Russia and stumbled upon this video by accident. But, the majority of my family members are either currently doing or have done medicine in Eastern Europe. I have a few cousins in Moldova (USMF), Russia (RUDN), Romania (UVVG), and Palestine (An-Najah). I am not aware of any respectable place that does not have some sort of exam. But, the entrance exams were fairly simple. You can view the syllabi in Moldova as an example below: admitere.usmf.md/en/studenti-internationali/examen-de-admitere The majority of Eastern European med schools have pretty similar exams; usually nothing to worry about. The same applies to non-medical subjects. And, not only are the exam contents usually pretty easy, you usually don't have to score well; they are often there just to know how much help you will need once you're enrolled rather than as a gatekeeping exercise. For example, I am studying computer science at Tomsk State University in Russia and our entrance exams only require 40% correct answers. Worth looking into some local groups that might be able to help prepare you for the exams as well. I'm from Israel and while very small, there is still an active Palestinian communist party and the Russian government still regularly offers all-expenses paid positions at various medical schools to people who apply via the party as per the old Soviet tradition.
Don't believe this, I currently study in eastern Europe, Moldova to be exact. I can assure you the educational level in Eastern Europe compared go the UK is crap. In Eastern Europe people pay there way for exams and the teachers lack proper education to inform students. I personally would not want to be treated by a doctor graduated from Eastern Europe.
Ali Abdaal Thats quite alright i am a Political Science student but i wanna have masters in Law or at least attend classes so I’m probably gonna look into studying abroad or what i can do to prepare for any exam that i might have to take.
I can't find the list of University accepted in UK on.the GMC website. Can someone post it to.me please? Do you know if ukranian med school such as Dnipro are recognised in UK?
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You have to remember Medicine is also a practical field so although grades are important i'd rather have someone who can get things done than just a bookworm.
true that!
One thing ive noticed working in emergency medicine, is that you need that proper balance of someone who is smart... But not TO smart where they think theyre smarter than everyone else and NEVER study, or learn somthing new. Along with a balance of someone who is willing to ACT.
@eveakj im actually doing medicine so yeah go ahead and delete your comment
@@eveakj My english is actually very good its my first language, I’m not a turban wearer and I’ll continue to enjoy my world :)
Agree with you.
For international students from developing countries, Europe is a much more affordable option than the UK to study medicine
Can you name some countries in EU which are more affordable
Please
Do not use agencies. Agencies charge €2000-€5000 unnecessarily. I applied straight to the uni and didn’t cost me more than €200 to get all the documents notarized, translated and posted.
Very true!
Hi Kessy, Could you tell me how to demonstrate the authenticity of study documents submitted for recognition/equivalence purposes if my country is not part of the Hague Convention. What additional authentication need to be carried out. How did you notarize your documents. Thank you!
this is so important i wish i could tell more people about this
@@YarushaPaul but why? some agencies take care of you and mother you through the whole process. i dont see why you wouldnt want that?
@@Rachel_Tensions i guess it depends on the agency and your personal experience. a lot of people would agree with me when i say that it is entirely possible to do the application process on your own without having to give pretty much an entire semester fee extra to an agency whose only role in the whole process is to handle a few papers a process i personally dont think should cost so much. especially when the representatives of such agencies dont care about helping the students and their sole interest is in your money.
Just to let you know the students do get in to uni, for example at pleven uni like he mentioned they took in 300 people last year but only 150 made it past year 2 (pre-clinical)
So be aware it might be easier to get in with entrance exams but there is a work load!
Good luck everyone
Means half of the students failed to pass
@@kumarsundaram1450 yess
is it because they can only take 150 students from year 2 onwards or is it possible to have all of the cohort go into year 2. so is the pass rate determined by the cohort performance or is it a fixed percentage to pass?
Your timing mate....impeccable
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I’m studying at the Jessenius Faculty of Medicine in Slovakia. This helped explaining how the environment in Central Europe is like. 👍
And how's that going? How do you compare Jessenius uni to Comenius uni (Bratislava vs. Martin)? I'd like to ask few more questions if you don't mind and you're open to it?
For those looking down on individuals who study medicine/dentistry in east europe, should know that these institutions jave a very long history of producing good medics. after all during the communist period many nations sent their students there. its always been a palce of learnig the difference is much more ppl are now flocking to it. as long as its approved by gdc gmc then i dont see why there is a fuss. in America those that studied in east europe are sought after than a uk graduate with a bds or mbbs
100% agree^^ I recommend checking out @englishstudentunion on instagram for anyone who wants to see what being a medical student in europe is like
apparently having zero standards produces good doctors...hmm ok, cool. ALL students there EXCLUSIVELY are there because they couldn't get anywhere else... You wanna compare that degree with medical degrees from Germany or the UK? I know people that left Germany because they couldn't take the pressure anymore or because they failed the course and found these eastern europe degrees a breeze.. What does that tell you? That the level of education is the same???
@@theonoi2908 so are you saying that uk and Germany are the only places that produces good Doctors?
I disagree. UK has over 30% medics that have come from ASIA. They are one of the best medics you could ask for and same for eastern Europeans. Having medics from different parts of the world gives work place a variety of input.
Also, you must be narrow minded to think that other countries dont do a good degree.
If you want send me a DM, I will give you eastern unis physiology syllabus ;) let's see how you cope with 120 topics.
PS. CANT SAY THING ENOUGH THAT NOT EVERYONE THAT GETS IN GRADUATES. Many people cant make it!! Per year there might 200 enrolling but around 120 graduate !! Or less
Theonoi actually there are many people from the UK (not just Eastern Europeans) who go over to Eastern Europe to get medical procedures done even though they have to pay for them there as there are much better doctors and also Eastern European doctors tend to screw up a
@@theonoi2908 What I can say is that its hard to get into medical school in the UK because of supply and demand. There are too many people who want to do medicine vs how many spots there are. Go back 30 years and it was much much easier; in fact most of the senior doctor consultants who practice in UK hospitals probably wouldn't have got in if they were students today.
Furthermore the UK has a massive shortage of Dr graduates, and with many Junior docs leaving the UK because of how poorly we are paid, this shortage will increase to over 30%. We need folk going to study medicine abroad and then come back to the UK to practice or else we're all screwed.
If you want to study medicine abroad and want to work in the UK after, it’s a good start to look at the GMC World Medical Directory to see if the university is GMC accredited. Most EU countries are on the list and the GMC recognises them for their quality education. Agencies like Medlink only offer those Medical degrees that are accredited by the GMC. Despite this, in the future, every medical student wanting to work in the UK, be it British students will have to sit the UKMLA anyway to work as a registered practitioner.
But you need to do your own research about the school. Cheapest option isn't always the best.. please be weary of this.
Also an interview video on graduate studies in Eastern Europe could be interesting outside of medicine. Possibly with recommendations.
Greetings from Poland! 😍❤️🇵🇱
Natalia Geronin hows medicine in Poland?
For anyone interested in studying medicine, Italy is also an amazing (and cheap) option. You take one entrance exam, the IMATs (that is actually conducted by the university of Cambridge) and with the score you get on that exam you can apply to 13 different universities that offer 6-year medical courses in english (including Padova, Milan, Bologna and Rome that are among the best universities in europe).
marianna peroulia the IMAT is wayyy too challenging. its fully maths/calculus and such questions that have nothing to do with medicine
ich bin sehr interessiert. Do you have IG?
Saphrez it’s just one exam though, way less challenging than having a 4.0 gpa and A* grades + extracurriculars... plus you don’t need a perfect score the minimum scores are relatively low especially in medical schools in the south. I only prepared for 2 months and got in, not too hard tbh
aname80 edua yeah it’s @marianna_prl
@@mariannaperoulia8004 oh thanks and do you like it?
I study at the medical university of Vienna in Austria(which is not easteurope but I guess it counts), which is seen as a good medical university in Europe and worldwide. Depending on multiple rankings it is in the top 50 or at least top 100 worldwide and the third to fifth best German speaking university for medicine in the most liveable city of the world. You have to pass an entrance exam to get in the program and to study for free. To be honest it is way harder for foreigners to compete in this test ((and it is more difficult than getting A grades in class). As a foreigner you have to be the best person out of 20 on average (mostly well prepared and motivated persons from Germany (for Austrians1:10). The test ist called Medat and requires 9 hours of pure concentration. You have to answer very difficult questions concerning biology math chemistry and physics in addition to an sort of iq test. Many people fail this test many times until they give up. It is not easier to get in at all. A grades don't give you any kind of advantage for this test. You have to compete on one day and resist tremendous psychological pressure because when you fail you have to wait one year to repeat the entrance exam. In addition to this you have 8217 candidates this year for 740 places to study who write the test next to you in gigantic halls. Sorry for any mistakes I made but I don't want to check this again✌️
Do you foreigner in there@
@@pawneko5248 Yes but I am german. In order to succeed this test you have to understand German flawlessly. There is nearly no chance without nearly mother tongue skills
In order to start your program you have to complete a German test in ger level C1 which is quite high
@jan simonidesI don't share your opinion at all. In every city, which is about this size, there will always be some areas which are not that appealing compared to others. Depending on the two biggest studies/rankings from mercer and the economist Vienna is the most liveable city of the world. Public transportation for example is great, nothing to complain about. Vienna is a great place to study and to live✌️
I failed it once and now i plan on studying in eastern europe
The entrance exams are super hard here, speaking of the Czech Republic and Slovakia. So you really have to prepare for them and a month or so is not enough. Alongside biology and chemistry, in most entrance exams there is also physics (and it´s horrible).
do you have any practice exams to help
first of all, Thanks Ali for the awesome videos.
second, happy Eid.
I am a final year medical student from Egypt and right now IMGs (from outside Europe and the UK) have this exam called PLAB, it is a two-part exam; the first is a basic science exam which is held in different countries and the second is a clinical exam held only in London, score is not important the results came out as PASS OR FAILED and if the student had his 6th year it is equivalent of FY1, so he apply for FY2 after GMC registration.
Hozifa alsaid what is fy 1 and fy 2?
Foundation years they are like training years and are the beginning to enter the system in the UK after that you either go into core medical training or core surgical training.
P.S : i am not in the UK and my info are dependent on what I've read about this pathway because i am trying to set for plab in the coming years before they apply the UKMLE system
Hi hozifa I’m from Saudi-Arabia and I would like to study medicine in Czech could you help me please, I have a few questions.
@@شوق-ت7و bro i am from pakistan but living in jeddah..,.. if any questions you can ask me
Saw this 2 years late. Still grateful for studying in the UK. hopefully grad entry
Hey! Are u an international student there?
Did you get in?
Ali, can you do a vid on this for US students looking for alternative paths to MD? We know it's riskly, but some are still interested!
It’s a shame, in uk , the fees for international students are more expensive than English students , why ? I don’t understand? You can study medicine In uk only if you’re parents are rich . In France 🇫🇷, is the same fees for everyone . Sorry for my English.
UK government are really bad for this and selfish. They’re just trying to make more money
Being Portuguese I’m so confused cause all the financial aid and such always refers to the UK and the US
Hey! If you still want information, I may be able to help you😁I'm in Bulgaria. Português é a minha língua materna
Ariete Letícia I do wanna know how I can fund that like student finance?
@@arieteleticia7615 can you tell me how much fees is for initernational students like me who are not from europe and also not living in europe
Hi, Ali!
Would you please make a video on how and when medical students apply for FY1?What is required, the timeline etc.? I haven't started my course yet, but I think it's good to have a picture of the road ahead now, instead of leaving it to the last year of medicine.
this video is so useful. thank you very much lads
Update for everyone: New vision university did in fact open up a course for graduate programme where you can study 1 year pre-clinical in Georgia and 3 years of clinical rotations here in the U.K. it is private though so ;)
please can you give me more information about New Vision university how there medical is run and also are there current student
@@alexanderalabi4096 did u find anything?
I dont think its gmc registered yet though since its quite new
yo fam no hate on Poland fam. in Poland you have to have at least 90% in equivalent of british A levels in both biology and chemistry exams to study medicine only the best students get to study medicine its way harder than in "eastern countrys" and acutally those people from Poland who dont get the double 90 go to slovania, ukraine etc
Also the most popular direction for Germans who cant study in their country is to go to Ryga
I am a British 2nd year British medical student studying in Poland. I can say that the theoretical standards are very high in Poland. In fact I have a youtube channel and I vlog my life as a Medical student studying in Poland. Would be lovely if you could check it out. You can ask me questions about Poland.
Dude I am studying medicine here in Gdansk. It is extremely difficult in every aspects that you could imagine. Not to mention their expectations of ideal students is so high. I should go back to study bye.
Wow! Thank you so much for this video. Lots of great info, really appreciate it!
Sorry but don’t think Abdullah actually explained well what the coarse entails. No it’s not two years preclinical, it’s 3 years preclinical which consists of: 2 years of anatomy 1 year physiology, 1 pathophysiology, which UK students do not do or only study for 3-6 months.
We then do 3 years of clinical. So in total 6 years. Then once we complete our state exams which decides whether we are competent doctors, the state exams are in line with EU regulations, we can then apply for GMC and work as an FY1 however not be included in the FY1 training programme which is only available to UK graduates
Thank you Ali so so much and This video literally helped me so so much ❤️
I am from Czech, I study medicine in Prague but i have to mention that the demands on english speaking students are minor than on us czech speaking students... Becouse we study for free so we can be kicked out very easily :) English course is paid so thats why exams in english are easier... You will become a good doctor, dont worry but bear in mind that our uni is hard almost as Cambridge - for us, czech speaking students :)
Hey, can I get in touch with you? I am giving Uni exams for Charles Uni, Masaryk and Palaky, and I'd like to know a little more about them, lol
Rayhan Ahemed well i would say charles is the best and its location is the best (e. i. prague) 😊
@@adrigom5925 I've heard it's really hard to get into, is it true?
@@rayhanahemed5791 well the Charles is the best so its the hardest to get into :) I dont know the rules of admition for international students i study in Czech programme and its different + now with Covid everybody knows nothing...
@@rayhanahemed5791 yo man did you get in???
I’m a medical student in Romania (and romanien) and I would like to mention that yes, you cand get in with low grades, it’s not competitive at all for foreign students because Universities want money, but for us,romaniens it’s quite hard to get in because the majority of us don’t pay the university, it’s free if we get a good grade at the entrance exam. In other words, let’s take an example: my university offer about 300 places for romaniens and 100 for foreign students so romaniens and foreign student can’t compete for the same places. And because the universities want to “keep” them few foreign students fail the year...sad
I have some friends at english section and I can say that they don’t get to speak romanien not even after 5 years and when they are in hospital can’t really speak with the pacients. Some of them don’t have the fundamental knowledge to be there..I know some of them who learnt romanien and transfered to romanien section because they wanted to study for real (is more serious at romanien section).
From which university are you. Because iam trying to apply
Hi i heard that students have to bribe teachers. Is it true
@SimonaBereznicu do you happen to know anything about the medical program at the Transylvanian university of Brasov? Thank you!
what about carol davila?
Woaaaa, that animated transition!!! Niiiice. 👌
I want to do medicine, but I'm scared I won't get an offer in the UK. I'm planning to study in Bulgaria if things don't work out. If I graduate from Bulgaria medical school, I'm planning to go to work in the USA. My question is If I graduate from a medical school in Bulgaria, will I be taught the same things I would be taught I the UK or will I just be poorly educated in Medicine and not know much? Also, will it be easier to study Medicine in Bulgaria?
when you get an MD degree (Masters of Medicine) I believe you can work in the UK, us, Canada without an issue at all as it is an internationally recognized qualification
@@taylan9742 Doesn't the US usually discriminate diplomas which are not from the US?
@@georgiam.3957 Yes they do but I remember vividly that the US does have a connection to a few European universities including poznan University and a few others that enables graduates to directly apply to the US. But generally the US typically don't fully recognise most unis in Europe including the UK unis. Best thing ppl can do is to apply for a 2 year course in the states that tops up your degree which enables you to get the medical licence to practice.
@@Hurrehurra Thank you for explaining this but i kinda already knew it . I find it so dumb tho the whole 2years extra course cause most European students study in English
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Thank you for another video Ali. I learnt that we'll have to sit the UKMLA test now
ahmad sauyack no. It’s more like USMLE. Essentially they’ll test your medical skills to see if you’re competent enough to work as a doctor
Yay they decided my year won’t sit UKMLA anymore :)
@@HassanPoyo what year r u in, what uni do you go?
@@zain4554 I’m in year 4 now
I'd just like to say, as a European med student, the idea that studying medicine in Europe isn't that hard (application wise) is very misleading, especially for non european students. There are a few universities that actually teach in english and are "made" for international students, but most countries only teach in their native language (trust me, I've looked into a lot of the options) and the application methods are very inflexible. For example here, in Portugal, you can't even get in with international exams, you have to do our form of A levels in portuguese and apply the same way as every portuguese student, and through the same process to every university in the country, and the averages aren't so low as well. In fact, a lot of people do turn to more international eastern europe universities as an alternative with B/B+ averages, because they couldn't get in here. And I know in a lot of countries it isn't that much easier, and the bureaucracy is crazy. And more power to who decides to go down that path, it's your choice, all I'm saying is that speaking of Europe in such general terms is a bit misleading, since it's actually much more complicated than that. That being said, I think this video is going to helpful to a lot of people, just think you should have been a bit more specific :)
Hey Maria im a student of AS from Pakistan. Do you think medicine from university of Debrecen is worth it or are there better unis price wise?
Hello everyone, starting from next month, I'll be a 3rd year student in Palacky university, Olomouc, Czechia. If anyone wants to know anything about my university, or anything about studying in Czechia in general, please don't hesitate to drop a comment! I'd be glad to help :)
Great video by the way, Ali!
Pranzi Hi, I got admitted to one of the medical school in Poland and I assume that the curriculum would be the same as in Czech Republic. Could you please tell me how the first two years were like(pre-clinical) based from your own experiences?
I would prefer long answer
Hey do you know anyone who can help me out with info bout the University of Debrecen, Hungary?
@@focusssss994 If its medical university of Gdansk, run the other way its ridiculously hard, believe me cuz I screwed up the 1st year
hey, could you suggest on which faculty of medicine of Charles university is comparatively easy to like pass and stuff
Anandhu Anilkumar that is GUMED in a nutshell
One thing was missed during the interview. BREXIT !!!!
Will you be able to freely go to Greece after December on a weekend when you want???
This video is from 2018... Brexit didn't exist lol
@@kameliaraicheva5417 Brexit vote was in 2016
Thanks so much for this video!
You asked a lot of really good questions! But what is your honest personal opinion on this? Do you really think it's worth it ?
yes
@@aliabdaal yeah that's what I meant to say. 😁
@@aliabdaal yes is it better than studyinv in Pakistan??
Sara Ilyas could you study dentistry in Pakistan privately if so how much would it cost? I’m trying to research this but don’t get much
Ailah Khan from what i've heard it costs 20k$ per year
Ali, can you do a video of how an american can apply to europe/UK?
Stating that getting into med school in Eastern Europe is easier then in the UK is a false information. Of course, I don't know anything about the admission process of international students, but as a native student in my country (Hungary) you do have to excel in Biology and Chemistry or Physics. Students who want to go into medicine, will have to take the school leaving (A level equivalent) exam from 6 subjects, because there are 4 compulsory ones (literature, history, foreign language, maths) and above that you are required to take Biology and either Chemistry or Physics. I wonder how would it feel like doing 6 A levels, even in subjects that you are not particularly interested in. Students with Bs can't even dream of getting in.
I understand that this video is supposed to be a guide for uk students who didn't get in and still want to study medicine. Maybe with international applicants, universities are "softer" (after all, most Hungarian med students don't have tution fees, so it's only internationals where universities can expect some support from), but I still dislike the misinformation that this video suggests: you can get into any eastern-european med school with Bs and Cs because the standard is lower. No, you can get in, because universities see a good deal in you. Medicine has high standards across the world.
It is easier for international students studying the course in English. Same thing happens at many UK universities too with international students coming from abroad as universities can charge them more. Reason you can get into international courses with lower grades in Europe isn't because the standard is low but because there is less demand for it at the moment. As soon as the demand rises (which it is), so will the entry reqs :)
The seats that foreign students get it, what are the courses which are thought in English, not in the native language!!! It is self-financed seats, students have to pay for the studies lots of money.
Study medicine in China, Ukraine or Pakistan. It’s a lot cheaper to study and also live their. Also the study quality is good.
Hi , could you please explain more , i am interested
Maryam Hussain hey please tell me how you apply to Pakistan and what grades you need
Maryam Hussain but if you want to practice in Europe, a degree from Europe will always be superior
Hey, please can you also try and make a video on applying to the US to study medicine and that would be very interesting and I (as well as many others) would greatly appreciate it
Bruh I got into my firm to do geography but here I am watching for Ali :)
Ali - Good questions. Sounds like interviewee is pretty conflicted.
the fuck are you talking about Joshua
Gosh, this sound so sketchy and the background music really make it more sinister 😂no offense
I've just done my first year of medicine in Bulgaria
How was it?
@@focusssss994 It's fine tbh. I liked it. Different uni rules compared to UK but the syllabus is pretty much the same with some differences like in first year you study Latin specifically to understand medical terms rather than speaking it
Thanks for your prompt reply. I guess that is some sort of medical terminology if I am not mistaken. Could you please tell me what is the sole purpose of year 6 or last year of medical school. Is it just an ordinal clinical year or is it internship year? Please take your time sir.
@@focusssss994 It's basically F1. You're just at the hospital for a year then graduate. I think you have exams too but I'm not too sure atm
As he said in the video the medical graduates will have a chance to practice medicine in any countries in Europe, which is great. Could you tell me where are you going to practice medicine after graduation?
Any chance for a mature student Iam 56 next month?
Ps Just kidding Iam happy stacking shelves.
Serbia has great Medical faculties.
Ali Abdaal the Jeremy Paxman of medical marketing
The guy is not talking about studying in Europe in general, like WTF!?
Germany for example:
1. It's extremely difficult to get into med-school. We have a grading System for our "high school degree" which we "Abitur" which goes from 1,0 to 6,0 with 1,0 being the best score. 20% of the capacity of a year is reserved for the "best of the best" (called Abitur-best-quota). Even 1,0, the best grade you can have, isn't a gurantee anymore nowadays. 60% of those who get into med-school had to take a STANDARDIZED test called HAM-Nat. Only applicants up to grade 1,8/1,9 (depending on the year) are even invited to take the test. Your score on this test is combined with your abitur-grade and you are being ranked. In 2017 at my university 1649 applicants out of 2809 had been invited to the test. The best 100 got in directly after taking the HAM-Nat, the best 101-300 were invited to take the HAM-Int, a test based on social skills. the best 100 of the HAM-Int (combined with their HAM-Nat-Abitur-score) have been admitted. In conclusion: out of 1649 people taking the test only 200 got in. From 2809 people applying in total, 356 got in.
2. The tuition is basically non-existent in Germany. Its is 300-400€ per semester and most of this is actually your all-year-bus/metro-ticket, so roughly 800€ for the entire year.
Don't take what he says too seriously, because it definitely doesnt apply to all of Europe. Spain for example has a different system too (even more competitive in my opinion) and Austria is different again.
Here are the statistics:
my med-school:
www.uke.de/studium-lehre/studienentscheidung/auswahlverfahren/auswahlverfahren-medizin.html
all German med-school:
zv.hochschulstart.de/fileadmin/media/zv/nc/wise2018_19/bew_zv_ws18.pdf
Hey there! Are there any medical schools in Germany that are in English fully? I would appreciate your help. Thanks!
@@FM-cd5rb I don't think so... You need amazing German speaking skills. I've tried myself.
Anyone has a review on European university Cyprus Frankfurt branch? I want to transfer to EU medical school to practice in Germany. And this university is the only option that I found.
wow, I hope I can join the college.
The main difference between UK and Eastern European med schools - clinical skills!! From basic history taking to handover... These are the things you won't be able to learn properly in Bulgaria and Romania.
Sure? In Romania you can do and learn a lot about clinical skills. You just have to learn that language and speak to the patients during the clinical rotations and talk about your anamnesis and your opinion about that case with sour prof.
Totally. It's the practical components which are totally lacking in the schools in the foriegn countries.
you get good clinical practice in carol davila university
Can someone give me an objective answer on the quality of medical education in Eastern Europe ?
Studying in Romania etc is of course an alternative, but you should be aware of the differences in education at Oxford, Karolinska Institutet and Oslo versus Romania/Bulgaria for example. In my home country in scandinavia students who have studied at “less desired” countries usually have much less clinical experience when they graduate, and they have a very hard time getting into wanted residencies. “Medicine is medicine” in theory yes, but in reality there are lots of differences in how evidence based medicine is taught, and the standard of education. Food for thought: Imagine if you take all the lowest ranking students who can’t get into their home universities, and put them all into one university abroad, and this university makes money off these lower performing students.
Der Medizinstudent Denkst du, man hat trotzdem gute Jobaussichten in Deutschland, wenn man in Rumänien studiert hat?
Der Medizinstudent: Studiere in Rumänien, aber auf rumänisch. Habe Praktika in Deutschland und der Schweiz gemacht und finde, dass wir klinisch genauso gebildet sind, wie die Schweizer und deutschen Studenten. Ich kenne aber auch einige Studenten die auf englisch studieren und dort ist der Unterschied zwischen den Studenten sehr groß. Manche sind genauso gut wie wir, viele leider nicht. Von klinischen Fähigkeiten hängt sein Wissen ganz von dir ab. Man kommt leider auch mit minimalen Wissen durch die Prüfungen.
This is an extremely biased point of view. Yes there are students who have come because they didn’t get into their home country however a lot of people for example from Dubai come because there are not any medical schools in their own country. Also many students are there because they want to work in another country other their own. Saying that these universities are taking in the lowest performing students is simply false. If you have ever studied in any of these universities you would probably have a different view to the one you have now. The vast majority are extremely hard working and the fact that they are willing to leave their home for upto 6 years shows some level of commitment.
@@sebastianr1204 in welche Universität studierst du, wenn ich Fragen darf?
carmen edua: Cluj
Are there any Americans who are in this discussion? I would like to study medicine in either Romania or Bulgaria, but have not yet had my documents recognized in either country i.e. High School Diploma with transcripts and the deadline is approaching fast. I did not take my ACT or SAT, but I am currently enrolled at my local community college and set to have my Associates Degree in Science by the end of December. The only thing is I would like to apply ASAP, but not sure if I would even have direct access to the University there.
Where r u now
I'm a med student in czech rep and let me tell you it's brutal. 70% pass mark (sometimes even 75%), oral exams (which require generating the information from scratch because there's no MCQ to recognize the info and make a guess).
There are MCQ in many final exams but if you pass you just go to the next step which is an oral exam.
And please don't use agencies. In my country they charge 1500 euro for 3 written exams. At the universities it costs around 30 euros each, so even if you fly to czech republic and stay in a hotel you can save well over 1k euros.
Agencies are scammers basically but if you confront them they act like the cost is justified.
Don't believe this guy saying the process can be tedious. You literally complete an electronic application, attach your ID and high school diploma in their system, pay a small fee and they'll contact you about when to take the exam. That's it. This guy is just after money and gullible people
70% ain't that bad, at least where I come from
I also plan to study in Czech I’m scared about the entrance exams are they passable
Romania is da best!!!
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Would love to know what the attrition rates are at Bulgarian Med Schools, and how they compare to average UK med schools.
Hi I am from Sri Lanka . Could you pls help me to apply to med uni in Bulgaria. There is no agent in Sri Lanka to handle uni in Bulgaria.
Hi. Im also from Srilanka and im planning to study abroad. Ill let you know if i find a way and cab u please let me know if u found something related to this
Hi I’m British Sri Lankan, medical doorway based in the uk handles applications worldwide I believe
Hlo
Hi there , could anyone please name me some universities in Europe that don’t require a levels , I’m taking a gap year to retake some of my a level exams as I didn’t manage to pass , but is there any easier shortcut ?
Any NHS doctors here have experience of working with EU grads?
There’s quite a few on student room , might want to check there for their experiences
Hey Ali, when you completed your medical work experience, did you contact the hospitals, through their processes, or consultants/doctors directly? Also, do you have any tips for apply to work experience? Thanks!
Ok, thank you. I just got accepted to my first placement at Hinchingbrooke's orthopaedics ward :)
@@faultlineofficial how’s it going bro
Does it matter whether we are Bulgarian citizen or international student. In my case I’m double citizen of Turkey and Bulgaria and not capable to pay that money.
In Romania are so many arabian med students:)
Not in every university only in the one who want the money
Beginning first year at Charles Uni, 1st Faculty in a few weeks! Any other people going to Prague?
Jacob Lindgren Going to the 2nd faculty of medicine :)
bro how is it over there, is it easy to pass, how are the oral exams ?
Pakistani nationals are also gmc approved if studied in Europe ?
I'd like to mention, the med schools in Romania are hilariously corrupt. Because of this, the quality of education is lower than western europe. Don't come here lol. This year only my uni has admitted 150+ questionable people, all from the the same country of origin. Scary thing is you can pay your way up till the graduation and get a diploma even if you can't construct a grammatically correct sentence as an English section student. Seen it with my eyes.
I study in Bulgaria, haven't seen what you are saying down here. Although, if that is the case, the UKMLA is going to make sure only competent medical graduates are able to practice medicine. It is also best to only apply for universities with GMC approval.
I heard of that too, they come back to their original countries and make all sorts of medical mistakes and it's escalating really quickly.
corruption in education is present in every country. One system, money rules talent
Romanian schools are actually very good than others big/known countries.
I am a 5th year medical student in Romania, I have also seen this kind of situation and I can testify it's true, you can indeed buy your way through, and a lot of people do so (most of them from the same country that I shouldn't mention), however, if you are honest and committed to study and do your thing, you can become a good professional, I have seen many people who graduate here becoming great professionals in western Europe, US and other countries.
is there no way to start the non clinical fom home and the move to Europe to do the clinical rotation?
Wait I don't get it; I thought entrance exam is not required for MBBS in europe? Could you please explain?
Are americans welcome to study abroad? Is it advisable? Safe?
Of course Americans are welcomed everywhere. Is it advisable? I don’t know? Depends on you. Safety? Europe is a safe place to be.
Yes
Is it safe? Lol The three countries mentioned in the video are definitely much safer than the US.
Whilst studying medicine in the UK would be everyone’s 1st option because it’s close to home it’s in the comfort of your own country, medicine in Europe is a very good alternative. The degree you get at the end of your studies in Bulgaria is a M.D. (Doctorate of Medicine) which is superior (not trying to sound all snobby like lol) to that of the MBBS you get, so for anyone looking to move to the USA it’s a good option. At the end of the day what matters is not where you graduated from, it’s how good you are at your job.
Tryndy lol no medicine in Europe is for those who aren't smart enough to get into UK medical schools, most European medical students who come back are unable to do the most basic of tasks- it's basically for dumb students to try and get into medicine
SHDUDH Doejwve lol you can think that but at the end of the day a masters if better than a bachelors. Anyway even if you’re worried about incompetent doctors the UKMLA will sort that out. Besides I know loads of people here who are book smart but they have no common sense. You can’t assume everyone is bad, that’s a sweep statement and frankly not the attitude a nhs doctor should have :)
Tryndy "book smart" lol no students who got into UK medical school deserved to get into medical school they are smart enough and made it through every stage required to get into UK medicine. Also "book smart" isn't a bad thing medicine is a very academic course which many students who haven't been able to succeed in a levels won't be able to succeed at medicine
SHDUDH Doejwve “lol no” that doesn’t elude the fact that you made a sweeping statement saying how all European doctors are incompetent.
Tryndy and I'll stick by my comment that European doctors from the UK shouldn't be allowed to practise in the UK being unable to make it through the selection process in the U.K. highlights you don't possess the abilities which are required of a competent doctor, namely academic ability so please shut up. An M.D from Bulgaria is nowhere close to the an MBBS from the UK
''at the end of the day it's still the same thing, medicine is medicine''.
Me, whilst studying medicine in Germany living in stress and at the verge of a mental breakdown: What????
Just, no.
ROFL 🤣
How is studying medicine in Germany? Can i study medicine in English?
@@thuraiyaalrawahi1473 Medicine in Germany..hmm not gonna lie, it's not easy, to say the least! The course is divided in 2 sections: pre clinic (which is the first 2 years) and clinic (the rest/4,5 years.). (Some programs are different they are divided 3:3.5 and are differently structured but I don’t know much about them) The hardest part is the first 2 years depending on the program you are doing, which is what every single med student here will tell you. The degree lasts for 13 semesters so 6.5 years, the first 2 years are pre clinical years so you do biology, chemistry, physics, biochemistry, physiology, anatomy and histology and then at the end of the 2 years you have to sit a state exam (called Physikum) It's the hardest exam you will ever have to do during your studies, the past years it had a failure rate from 20 to 25% and it's a 2-consecutive-day written exam consisting of two 4-hour papers and a 4 hour oral exam and you are tested on all subjects mentioned above. It's a hard exam because you are tested on everything written and orally and the level of detail or depth you have to go into is quite high...
The oral exam can be a b*tch especially if your examiners are a**holes or racist or both, But don’t let it discourage you, I learned more about dealing with difficult people because of them.
For international students it's harder, statistically international students will miss a semester or 2 somewhere along the way (I personally missed 2, most of my international friends have too, most of my German friends in fact have also missed a semester or two so it’s not just us) the language can be a barrier in the beginning sometimes which can make things harder, it's harder to stay concentrated during lectures, etc, oral exams are harder (and almost half of our exams in the pre clinic are oral) but after the 1st year or so the language is not such a problem.
It's usually the case that when one fails an exam the re-sit is scheduled for the next semester (state exams for example are only offered once per semester), or some courses are only offered once a year that's why in Germany it's really really easy to miss semesters and the university exams are quite hard to begin with to the point where I haven't sat one single written exam so far where the passing mark stayed the same. The good thing is that they can’t fail an entire class (by law lol) and the massing mark (which is 60%) can go down by one or two percentage points. You only have 2 chances to resit any state or university exam, if you fail an exam the 3rd time you are out and you can never apply to another med school in Germany ever again. Then for the next 3 years you have the clinical part of the studies and then you have to sit another state exam (M2) that's a 3 day 5hour written exam and then for the final year and a half you have your practical year (''praktisches Jahr'') where you basically work as a doctor in a hospital and then at the end you have another state exam, this one varies from hospital to hospital but it usually lasts the entire day because it's practical/oral and it takes place on 2 or 3 consecutive days (not sure, I’m not there yet)
Look, it's not an easy journey and you have to be willing to work incredibly hard for this especially as an international student - no, Germany doesn't offer medical courses in English. I haven’t heard of anyone missing semesters in the UK for example, in Germany it’s rarer when one doesn’t miss semesters. I don’t want to dishearten you but I want you to know what you are getting into. Germany is not for everyone. The sense of accomplishment is incredible, the level of education is high, the standards are high, which at the end if you make it can feel amazing. And education is free as it should be everywhere! But as I said in my original comment some professors and some semesters are borderline inhumane and I was on the verge of a breakdown or burnout more than once but I survived, there was one semester where I had an oral anatomy exam every 3 weeks and during those 21 days I had to learn a 300-400 page book, that semester I literally became immune to stress because if I didn’t I would have died! You have to have a thick skin and be able to deal with the stress and the pressure. If you can’t do that (which was the case for me cos im generally an anxious person) then learn how to do that. Med school here has taught me how to value my precious free time because you don’t get much of it, and how to deal with stress and in general has made me personally a better version of myself. So I would recommend it for someone who just wants to push themselves or likes a challenge! Like this guy in the video was explaining how they do Bulgarian the first two years and I keep wondering the f*ck they managed to fit that into the med school schedule because during our first years i was literally trying to find time to sleep and exercise. Obviously, something else there must be lacking…and them saying medicine is medicine is just stupid and ignorant. An entire lifetime won’t be enough to ‘’learn medicine’’, so it depends on how much depth you have of a subject ad how hard those exams are…
Oh, and I forgot to mention in Germany you get no ‘’holidays’’, during the semester breaks you are obligated to work at a hospital (without pay), it’s called ‘’krankenpflegedienst’’ where you have to complete 90 days of work during the first 2 years (and I think you can start that before you begin your studies, in this way you can have one free semester break but me personally I didn’t know about it) and then during the clinical years you have to work 30 days every semester break in a hospital or private practice and that’s called a ‘’famulatur’’ in case you wanna look them up. You get a few days off for xmas and Easter though (usually 2 weeks) which is nice. But if you want more time than that then wait till med school is over!
Also, here we have no ''study periods'' or ''exam periods'', throughout the year you have exams and courses and lectures simultaneously, there were cases where i had lectures in the morning, courses in the afternoon and then an exam at 18.00 in the evening, so you might wanna learn how to manage your time and prioritize. And this is Germany in a nut shell. Overall it's great, hard but in my opinion worth it especially for medicine where the responsibility of someone's life is literally in your hands...
@@theonoi2908 hi theonoi how can i contact u
@@theonoi2908 I didn't read much of what you wrote in that essay. But don't you need a good standard of German linguistics before even being considered Medicine in Germany?
Sir I am from India...but I am planning to study medical in Europe ..so what should I do and what are the requirements...I would be very grateful if u would help me with this.
I applied through medconnect,hopefully I get a place,thanks for the video!
good luck
@@prakhartheg Thank you so much!
@@aliyahhussain1484 how did it go have you got a response yet?
@@Adam-rk3yi I had my exam a few days ago haven't got my results yet
Hey have u been accepted now?
Hey Ali my daughter wants to study medicine at UK uni my budget 25k-30k£ plz let me know best uni in thus range she is A+ student in all sub n in her 10+1 now im in process 😊😊😊
Opinions on studying Dentistry in Charles University (Czech)??
Googyboss its a very good choice
It's a very good uni no worries
Can you please make a video about med school in France?
Study medicine in France is very hard and competitive 😞.
Tu vas y’arriver!
Isn't UK in Europe?.
lol
It is, they try to separate it for no good reason
Hey Ali, I wanted to say one big thank you for all the great work you do. I very much enjoy your videos especially the one on the note taking. Good job man and congratulations on becoming a doctor.
Does it actually matter which medical school you study from?
Of course
Nope. What matters at the end of the day is whether you’re competent at your job. You’ll see Oxford students working alongside students from lower universities or from abroad.
Tryndy as long as the skills are top notch it will be fine right?
Laiba Khan Of course! For example my Dad’s graduated from Medical School in Pakistan. He had to give his PLAB and now is a consultant Ma. And right now he’s helping someone who graduated from Leicester with their training. It doesn’t matter where you graduate from. If people can see you’re doing your job then they won’t think for a second that you’re not qualified.
Tryndy Thanks a lot!! I too am a first year med student and my college is apparently not that great according to people i was so tensed!! But i plan to work my butt off!! Thanks!!😊
Are Bosnian medicine schools good to study?
the difference between intelligence is seen when you wear glasses and not fake as contacts like the dude you interviewed that tells a lot about how you see the world and the decisions you'd make, respect
Hey Ali, I am a medical graduate from India currently preparing for USMLE, I have been curious about working European countries too, in case you meet or know any one who can guide us (the medical graduates who are already doctors from Asian countries or even those who have done their residency in US) about practising in Europe or doing residency (post graduation) in europe, it would be great!!
P.S. Really like all your videos.. keep going ahead :)
Vrushal Kale Me too!! I am currently in the first year!! But planning to go to U.S and its hard to find authentic people who can guide us!😞
Hey Laiba, you can follow people on TH-cam who have cleared usmle, you can post questions on Facebook groups which are specifically meant either for step 1 or 2 and some of them are there to provide reliable guidance. If you need any help, you can ask me.
Vrushal Kale Thank you so much!!😊
Does he help Americans get into a 4 year English program?
Ali, I think you can also have a career in journalism. 👍
Why journalism when he studies medicine😂
Is there any medical school in Europe that I can apply to without taking their entrance exam?
If you're asking due to stressing about the exams, I really wouldn't worry too much. I'm not a med student; I'm doing computer science in Russia and stumbled upon this video by accident. But, the majority of my family members are either currently doing or have done medicine in Eastern Europe.
I have a few cousins in Moldova (USMF), Russia (RUDN), Romania (UVVG), and Palestine (An-Najah). I am not aware of any respectable place that does not have some sort of exam. But, the entrance exams were fairly simple. You can view the syllabi in Moldova as an example below:
admitere.usmf.md/en/studenti-internationali/examen-de-admitere
The majority of Eastern European med schools have pretty similar exams; usually nothing to worry about. The same applies to non-medical subjects. And, not only are the exam contents usually pretty easy, you usually don't have to score well; they are often there just to know how much help you will need once you're enrolled rather than as a gatekeeping exercise. For example, I am studying computer science at Tomsk State University in Russia and our entrance exams only require 40% correct answers.
Worth looking into some local groups that might be able to help prepare you for the exams as well. I'm from Israel and while very small, there is still an active Palestinian communist party and the Russian government still regularly offers all-expenses paid positions at various medical schools to people who apply via the party as per the old Soviet tradition.
I have a very important q do the top med unis accept u with 4 AS subjects not full Alevel? Pls let me know
E a bit too late bro
E applied but didn’t pass one of the entry exams
E yes gotta keep moving forward
Hi Ali, when will the next live stream be?
I’m planning for masters in physiotherapy and rehabilitation sciences in Europe
Kindly help me out
Hi ali I am old graduate I am intrested in post graduation in internal medicine or course DM cardiology in any of the European countries ..
Do u know any university in Poland who deals with BDS for medical student actually my sister want to do BDS from Poland?
What help /care is provided for dyslexia, dyscalulia and dyspraxia please?
Andrew Timms you should probably check out their website they have a lot of q and a options and many contacts
such a good question i havent seen any extra help atleast at my university in bulgaria.
Hi
which is better for study medicine (Bulgaria or Lithuania or Slovakia or Greece) please reply
UK
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I recommend Bulgaria-Plovdiv.
i'm watching this as i have the same exact shirt on as you lmaooooo
shit wish i'd seen this video a two years ago , whyyyyyyyyy!
Does universities in romania provide enrollments in the spring terms?
Hey Ali, what TH-cam piano lesson channels would you recommend?
Brett Cossey up
Recommend Paul Barton.
Don't believe this, I currently study in eastern Europe, Moldova to be exact. I can assure you the educational level in Eastern Europe compared go the UK is crap. In Eastern Europe people pay there way for exams and the teachers lack proper education to inform students. I personally would not want to be treated by a doctor graduated from Eastern Europe.
Moldova is not a part of the EU, so you can not compare it with EU regulations on study level.
Can anyone pls guide me about university of Debrecen, Hungary? Is it good for medicine? Esp. From skmeone frkm Pakistan??
Did you get in? Im planning to go there this year!
Hey Ali i am a Sophmore at Howard University in DC. Do you know what i could do as an American student to attend Cambridge University?
Ali Abdaal Thats quite alright i am a Political Science student but i wanna have masters in Law or at least attend classes so I’m probably gonna look into studying abroad or what i can do to prepare for any exam that i might have to take.
TheCakeInTheCorner like you went to Yale but you prolly went to Howard
I can't find the list of University accepted in UK on.the GMC website. Can someone post it to.me please? Do you know if ukranian med school such as Dnipro are recognised in UK?
Dnipro is accepted in the UK and US and other parts of the world...They are GMC accredited and WHO endorsed
@@clarke4400 did u find the list?
@@maxpro8575 I saw it on a blog