Why Humans in AVATAR are the Good Guys
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2019
- While the film Avatar paints the brave Humans and Marines of the RDA as the bad guys, we think the truth is far more complicated than most people realize.
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Avatar is a movie about someone who betrayed his entire race just to clap some alien cheeks....
Human race betrayed someone, and here is the payback... People are shitty creatures.
@@CrashPCcz We aren't that shitty, there's just too many of us for nature to handle
@@CrashPCcz I bet you just feel so great about yourself dont you
I can respect that tho...
@@CrashPCcz Your calling yourself shitty?
Here's the funny thing about Avatar, there's nothing the Navi can do if the RDA just decided to glass the planet from orbit and harvest the minerals afterward.
@Kevin Warburton If the Alternative is the death of Earth, i dont see any Problems
@Kevin Warburton You need more energy to send a space ship to the next stellar system at 90% of lightspeed than to change the orbit of and asteroid. they just had to dismantle one cargo ship and strip its thruster on an asteroid, actually just a cargo ship throwing random rock from orbit would be enough to cause destruction on scale similar to nuclear weapon.
Guys you don't need to go anywhere to do it. Stay in system, find big space rock, shove big space rock into pandora at moderate(by cosmic scale) speeds, profit.
@n00bMaster69 The mountains float because they're electromagnetic, not because of the atmosphere. Unobtanium is a superconductor which is why the humans want it.
Anyone who can travel at even a fraction of the speed of light (Like the RDA) is capable of 'glassing' a planet, fly your ship at the target and release a projectile - Then slow down. Atmosphere / Magnetism would not be able to stop the projectile. The atmosphere of Earth couldn't stop the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, a projectile going a fraction of the speed of light would be even more powerful than that. Magnetism wouldn't be a problem either and if it was you could just launch a non-magnetic projectile anyways.
This is actually a big plot hole in any sci-fi work that portrays the use of light-speed travel, a good example being Starwars (Which is why it was weird to see them acknowledge it was possible in The Last Jedi, when Holdo sacrificed herself). Light-speed travel is stupidly easy to weaponize and stupidly hard to defend against. If you are capable of it, you can completely shit on anyone who isn't. This is one of the many reasons why the human race wouldn't stand a chance if a hostile alien species ever attacked us.
I always liked that the colonel, even tho kind of a cliche villain, is very skilled, cares for his men, is not afraid to be on the front lines and presents a legit threat to main characters.
Jake always seemed like a traitor to me. He had one job and fucked it up.
And jake did it all to taste an alien, he is not one of the bros anymore.
Side rant, you think that one day in the future (if we get off this planet) some kind of new ideology will rise? Something like starship troopers (facism with a twist of technocracy, yes like national socialism) or maybe something like the empire (super advanced and alien hating government that has loyal members and a immortal leader to never stray his leadership) because I feel like we might progress to one of those governments, which both are quite enjoyable to live in thinking of their success and prosperity
@@_Its_Ya_Boy Imagine wanting to live under imperial rule or fascism lmao. You are insane.
@@daimyo1178 I would anyday, free food, free training, if I survive long enough I’ll be as dangerous as the colonel, better extreme work and taxes in todays day and age just to live
Jake betrayed EVERYONE. The Avatar program team, the Na'vi and the security team 😂 all this because clapping blue cheeks while pulling on a tail was more important to him than anything
He was given an impossible task
At the end of Avatar, Eywa actually directs the wildlife of Pandora to attack humanity and drive them off. Scarier still, it does so without directly connecting with them. That’s a Gravemind level of intelligence.
Nuke it from orbit it’s the only way to be sure.
So Eywa is the colonial brain of the planet? In a sense, it's like microbes trying to mine a human brain for molecular metals. I say we mine it anyways.
GLASS IT
@@Fikoj Exterminatus?
Sounds like the planet is in dire need of MAC rounds and glassing
Na'vi:the miners are gone! we won!
also Na'vi: why do i hear fortunate son?
Why do they know fortunate son, but i really want to see them got roketed by an helicopter
Why is the sky playing wagner?
Oh no
jake: that was only a private company, there's still a shit ton of militaries on earth
na'vi: say sike right now
@@Ispeedymg Navi don't surf! > : (
NAPALM AIN'T A WAR CRIME IF THEY AIN'T HUMAN!
I find it fucking hilarouse that this nearly has 140 likes.
I honestly wanted the humans to win, mostly coz our protagonist just had a weak story
"I got laid on this planet, so screw all you guys"
True that. The commander was more of the hero of the story than Sam worthingtons character was.
-space Marine gets pussy
-fucks over his entire squad
Fuck how do I feel about this?
Gives "pussy-whipped" a whole new dimension, doesn't it?
In his case
*HOES BEFORE BROS!*
In the game you can win a the humans lol
" whenever i suspect someone is evil, i also consider thr fact they might just be incompetent, and thats usually closer to the truth"
By far the best quote to live by
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance
that's literally usa vs china right now. incompetent, fat, old, decrepit vs young, bright and fit.
If the question is; "Are they evil or stupid?" The answer is almost always "yes".
I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around.
I always thought the main point of the story is that some humans would choose to get some Navussy over saving their entire race.
maybe because their entire race was trash
And then they have Sex with there hair…. Cmon bruh you killed off humanity for this 💀
Jake is a filthy degenerate
I mean, we damn near charged area 51 just for the possibility . . .
Dude really doomed humanity over a blue smurf that has sex with his hair dawg 😭😭😭😭😭
Remember, the Navi never signed the Geneva convention.
Geneva convention?
More like:
*Geneva suggestion*
The great to-do list
also..it only applies on humans...soooo...."grabs flamer" LETS GO BURN SOME XENO'S!
so Eywa its avaible to use microlife forms to infect humans? get ride ...
@@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer Let's also use mustard gas brother. For the emperor!
And you know, Jake never bothered to tell the Navi why the humans were there or what they wanted and why...
Which was, after all, his JOB on the planet. I mean, he was security at the start, but then after they accepted him, he did have a new job to work on. You had ONE thing....
I know right!
10:24 I think that line is specifically directed at him
Yes! Thank you! I remember thinking that the very first time I saw this movie.
Why in the hell didn’t he ever tell them about the humans wanting to mine? You had one job, dumbass.
True...if he did, then the Navi, not all of course, would see them differently.
When I first this as a young child, I was actually upset that humanity was the bad guy, I told my dad that it was stupid and didn’t want to watch it again. Makes sense that I am a 40K fan now!
your dad failed his job then
@@amalkatrazz it’s ok he’s a 40K fan too now!
Didn't your dad teach you that your side isn't always in the right?
@@monkeycaboose6872 een if it is the only side that does not want you dead?
@@FNKB888 Ah, he redeemed himself, good.
The fact that humanity was on it's last legs did kind of skew the point. If we couldn't get the unobtanium, we were fucked and doomed to die. Not to mention that the Na'vi shot first. We asked nicely and they spit in our face. Well, we had the giant robots and guns, so don't say we didn't try to do it peacefully
HUMANITY FIRST, FUCK NAVI
Exactly! So many people skip over the fact that it is brought up that the humans tried to be peaceful at first and the Na'vi went straight to violence.
Even at the point that the movie starts humanity is still trying to be peaceful, by the time they have decided peace is no longer an option they try non-lethal methods and to push the Na'vi away from them.
Their whole plan is "give these giant blue psychos a reason to leave the area we are in"
if a person kicked down your door and asked you nicely to give up something in your house would you?
If they had “strong arguments” (guns, attack heli and stuff) yea I would
@@lemonboy9208 If someone broke down my door actively dying and I had something they needed, yes I would give it to them
“Humanity could become a true spacefaring race” shows pic of victory class star destroyer orbitally bombarding a planet
Noice
As it should be
I see nothing wrong here
Red-pilled fanatic xenophobe, militarist society (Stellaris humour)
@@The_WatchList based
Can we all agree that the human military tech in Avatar is all just dollar store UNSC gear
Mhhhm-hmmm, darn right it is.
Yeh got a lot of halo vibes from avatar
@@onetwo1392 Looks a lot better than Halo 5 Spartan armor
@@onetwo1392 ya . Always thought that.
Yeah I can see that, still closest thing we will see to halo on the big screen.
The moral of this story from the perspective you could say, is that romanticism of the primitive can be dangerous.
this entire movie could make for a perfect "no good side in war" if it were actually well-written
Actually agreed, just saying "War is hell" is an understatement.
But the situation in the movie was more about colonising than "war".
But it fails at that because I couldn't figure out Wth the RDA exactly wanted their approach to the Na'vi to be.
@@r7ahtesham885 by well written I mean showing the motives of both parties, not just the BLUEGGERS, justifying both actions, not just the BLUEGGERS for sympathizing with victims of muh colonies
whole movie is a cashgrab for minorities and victimhood """people"""
Yeah but aliens aren't people, you can't have a 'no good side in war' if the enemies are actually legitimately abominations that need to be exterminated. Both sides have to be human.
Jake Sully: This is how it's done. When people are sittin' on shit that you want, you make 'em your enemy. Then you're justified in taking it.
sounds familiar
It kind of seems like that's the way the film series is heading. The Na'vi are getting more and more aggressive and immoral. I believe that in the last film they'll use human weapons against the humans.
Imagine if the Imperium of Man landed on Pandora 😂
Imagix a bunch of tall blue aliens getting squished by a 7 foot monster.
FOR THE EMPEROR
O boy here I go killing for the empireor
Mean Emperor
"What Kind of Aeldari scum is this?
It have to die for the sake of the Emperor!
Die Xenoscum die, die, die!"
Unknown Brother Sergeant of the Black Templars
If Jake Committed To His Mission
Jake: “we need your unobtainium but also peace.”
Blue Aliens: “oh you just want some rocks that are completely useless to us and y’all will leave?”
Jake: “yup”
Blue Aliens: “k”
THE END
Lol
Haha *rolls credits*
"Avatar is filmed in front of a live studio audience"
Like mining is that easy. If you've seen the movie or saw any kinds of mining activities irl you'd know that mining requires clearing the land, sometimes pushing out the native populace, destroying the surrounding environment. And if you think the fictional RDA would wanna pay for those costs, you're just extremely naive.
If that happened,There would be no story.
The biggest problem I had with Avatar wasn’t the Dancing with the wolves in space storyline (although that did make me roll my eyes quite a few times) or the Anti-Humanity theme (it didn’t even feel THAT Anti-Human upon rewatching it, more Human critical then anything) it was the naive idealization of Nature and severe Vilification of Science and Technology, many people have gotten the idea in their heads that Mother Nature is beautiful and fair and that we need to live in Harmony and Balance with her when in reality “Harmony” and “Balance” are Human concepts and Mother Nature is an ugly and mean and hateful bitch who’s only goal is to weed out those she deems “unfit” to survive (and usually they’re the ones who deserve to survive the most), but Technology let’s us spit in her face and say “fuck you bitch! We’re doing what we want from now on.” and this movie pretty much says that we should give that up in favor of going back to living as Hunter-Gatherers who rarely live to 20 and have to have 10+ kids because most of them will die before they reach walking age, fuck that I would rather put up with Climate Change.
- "(it didn’t even feel THAT Anti-Human upon rewatching it, more Human critical then anything)"
I know right? I'm tired as hell of the "HUmaNiTy bAd!!!" narrative, but Avatar (in the MANY times i've rewatched it) *never* gave me that vibe.
They are made the bad guys, sure, but they're still the most badass depiction of humans i've seen (while still being fairly grounded, which is why i enjoy it), and it doesn't feel like some blatant political message. (they're simply the bad guys of the movie)
Don't even get me started on the second movie though... It took every mistake the first DIDN'T make and doubled down on them... Even forced in an evil white guy (with a good brown assistant) the anti-whites could rub one out to... At least Quaritch was badass and depicted respectfully, and was by no means used as a political or racist statement.
Quaritch is still great though, and his relationship with the wild kid (his son) showed a lot of potential. (and showed some nuance with the kid being scared of an enraged neytiri)
And yeah, the "nature is wonderful" thing has to stop, haha.
I love nature, but nature is chaos. Pure evil, in many cases. These people know nothing about nature.
Just watched a Joe Rogan clip with Forrest Gallante. He said they visited a village in the Amazon and the village asked for medical assistance from the medic in the group
Long story short, they gave a 3 year old kid with bad asthma an inhaler. But after it ran out he would probably wouldn't live to see adulthood
"Mother Nature is beautiful and fair" exactly! mother nature and cruel and savage and that you have to be equally cruel and savage as her to survive it, that's what tree huggers fail to understand
Nature doesnt have a goal. It just is. You can have a fucked up genetic disease that makes you unfit to survive after 30s but if you survive until you reproduce you "won" in the genetic game. Also climate change entails more than just climate. If it changes too much and youre not able to adapt you die so yeah equilibrium is the best choice
That's what those street preachers want us to do, go back to living in huts and praise god all day.
Also, there are a couple of things the movie fails to recognize.
1- They wouldn't need Jake to do anything if the RDA would opt for shaft mining instead of pit mining, which they obviously had the tech to do.
2- Any civilization that has the capacity for near relativistic speeds will likely have the tech to no longer need fossil fuels, like nuclear fusion or at least miniaturized nuclear fission. The Earth and any tech they employ shouldn't be power by fossil fuels which would be costly to ship to Pandora.
3- Early in the movie it mentions that Pandora is smaller than Earth and has less gravity. Although the Na'avi were taller, they should be weaker than an Earth-born human who grew up in stronger gravity.
4- Because of the difficulty of getting support from the Earth, the colonists of Pandora would need the support and friendship from the local population. So, instead of killing them all, the humans would need to learn to coexist so they could survive and would be far more proactive than is even shown in developing their relationship with the local population.
All in all, this movie is simply James Cameron's attempt to rewrite the history of colonization but exposes his own severe lack of understanding of the subject. He deifies primitavism, forgetting that modernity has made his whole career possible. I'm sorry, but I like AC, modern medicine, and streets not reeking of manure.
Humanity is a young race that yearns for greatness. We're just going through our awkward adolescence. We won't always be stuck in this same place. We will advance beyond this.
Cameron just reduced us to parasites. Smh
if they had so much antimatter then they could use tiny and mostly safe amounts of antimatter for power generation
Also i highly agree with point 3 humans vs navi would be dwarves vs elves and I imagine a human just carrying a navi like a barbell squat
The craziest thing in Avatar is that humans had body production technology and saw Navi having permanent mind transfer technology. And NOBODY realized that it literally means physical immortality.
Yeah because their quarterly statement did not include a line for "Making humans immortal", so they didn't give a shit.
It's a minor theme in the movie, with Grace even pointing out how they can't see the ACTUAL wealth of Pandora, having their noses literally stuck in the ground.
Well ACTUALLY, if you watch the sequel...
@@cannonfodder8252 I loved the first, but the second movie was trash.
What wolandrew said should've been the reason they came back. They even did the "hunt for immortality" narrative but completely overlooked what was already there and invented a new one... (just because he wanted water)
The humans trying to understand and claim ey'was mind-transferring powers should've been their goal. Could've easily made it work too, by simply having the underwater trees be unique and central in understanding it.
Sigh...
Human Can't connect to the spirit tree
If you can afford to have a new body made to transfer your consciousness into. The procedure would more than likely be outrageously expensive and only reserved for the richest/most influential humans, and you'd have to give the new body time to grow, and what if something happens to you in the meantime? What if you die or experience brain death while waiting for your new body to be ready? The Avatar bodies must've been injected with some compound to stop the accelerated growth rate, what longterm effects does that have on other bodily systems?
The comments here are:
50% about the video
50% Warhammer 40k
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@@jondonom you just won the internet
Imperium strikes back
100% nuke navi
My dude. .. did you just low key rationalize the slaughter of native Americans?
What always confused me is why didn't humans mine in places without the Navi? There's only a few million of them and they live in tribes in specific regions so there probably vast regions of Pandora without any Navi in sight for hundreds of kilometres.
If i remember correctly the specific location they were trying to mine was under the massive tree and the reason why was because their was tons of unobtainium underneath the tree. They were mining in other places but they couldn’t pass up a massive deposit. Plus it was only this single tribe that they wanted to leave, it was pure coincidence that the other mining operations destroyed some random spiritual location. The massive tree wasn’t even one of these spiritual locations, it’s just a random tree the tribe decided to make their home in.
yeah buddy you are intentionally twisting the info from the movies.
1)all flora and fauna on the planet can and need to communicate via those large trees
2) reason been that their roots are the foundation of the planets entire neural network which appears to record and balance the evolution of the planets life
3) that unobtainium was what is responsible for said network
4) destroy network life dies there aswell, so humans would have destroyed 2 planets so they could have fancier ships, @@assaultghost00
Because James Cameron had no other idea on how to make the humans look bad
I would assume that since unobtanium has such strange properties, the Navi would detect this and over hundreds of years indirectly build their spiritual faith around the unexplainable phenomena associated with unobtanium. This would cause Navi civilization to be generally centered around unobtainum deposits.
Greed, pure greed. And people still excuse it.
When I first watched Avatar, I never understood why I was expected to cheer for the Navi, the entire reason that we had even bothered contacting the Navi was for the survival of the entire human race. When the humans were all leaving to board their ships and go home, everyone was supposed to be glad that the Navi survived against the evils of man, but I was sitting their confused, thinking "The entire race is going to die and you want me to be happy?" It never made sense.
It doesnt
Well there are 20bil humans
The people who made this movie firmly believe that there is no value in the human condition and the best thing we can do for the universe is die. These are the same people that took Star trek, a story about humanity overcoming its shortcomings and elevating themselves as a people, and made it about how humans be evil. I can't stand these kinds of films because they lack nuance and are as subtle as a machete to the face.
@@dudesomebody13 the avatar movies reveal that the Na'vi share the human condition. They're exactly like us as a people in every way, as far as the shared internality of personhood goes - except they also have a relationship to an actually existing planetary superconsciousness. The point is that we could be Na'vi if we wanted. We don't even need Eywa to do it, all you have to do is internalize the ideology presented, which is actually based on material principles.
@@Millersolosfilolli you dont understand
Giant blue smurfs: yay we beat the humans with bows and arrows.
Humans sometimes later: uhhuh okay cool. Here look at this, it's called a thermonuclear warhead.
Or drones. Lots and lots of drones.
All the humans would have really needed to conquer the smurfs was a commanding force that didn't consist of incompetent morons that relied on brute force tactics over competent leadership. Besides, the only reason the aliens won the "war" in the first place was because the plot was under the assumption that the humans would have immediately buggered off after their leader was killed. And instead of getting the more logical and satisfying ending of a larger military force showing up and bombing their dung huts into oblivion the evil Earth forces piss off and the main character gets to bone his overrated alien waifu. How absolutely boring.
With antimatter-based energy production, you can just fling a few stellar pebbles at the moon at relativistic speeds.
Makes harvesting the metal afterwards easier too.
Navi:noooo you can’t just kill all navi with a squad of 10 people
Imperium of man: haha adeptus astartes go brrrr
Even easier and less destructive just make a non nucleic bioweapon. Apparently on the wiki they have no nucleic acid which forms their cells, and just virus that attacks whatever mechanism it is, bingo bongo everythings intact except a bunch of savages.
"truly galactic wide spacefaring species"
Shows picture of orbital bombardment
I like where you're going with it
Im from Buenos Aires and I say KILL EM ALL!
Why not orbital bombardment in the first place, then send in the ground troops to cleanup the rest. Well why play on their ground if you could just beat everything with superior firepower
許進曾 Ikr
@@user-ro9zf9kz1h could be because the magic metal (since it has such a high energy capacity) could be destroyed or cause even worse explosions if hit with bombardments.
@@luciussulla2641 its Un-destroyble
Navi: We kick them out!!!
Somewhere on Earth call himself Emperor: Fine, I do it myself...
*Angels Of Death starts playing in the background*
I honestly consider both sides shades of grey, the humans are desperate, while Aiwa and the Na'vi just want to take care of themselves and their environment and are fighting against a threat invading their ecosystems
it's a grey for ppl not humans. But for humans it's white bro we gotta win or else die 😭
@@vrrooooommmm123 Nah, it is black for humans. Extinction doesn't justify genocide of another intelligent species.
Exactly this, but the problem is that the movie is presented in black and white while expecting you to buy into it.
@💧🐍 apparently the 3rd movie will be about good humans and bad na'vi
Na'vi in general will be fine it's the Omaticaya (forest people) who are antagonizing the humans and harbouring that treasonous Jake Sully who are looking to escalate this conflict into something global.
As neil degrasse tyson say it..
"If we became too inteligent enough and advance that we can teraform other planet, why not teraform earth to become earth again.."
Because that would require resources that are no longer abundant enough on Earth.
While a possibility in the _far_ longterm, terraforming is not viable for even interplanetary settlement; there is a lot that goes into a biosphere and creating a stable one from scratch takes both the time to just get the full set of organisms in place and the time to balance them all sustainably. Just because a planet can be colonized quickly does not mean it can be terraformed quickly, and on top of that the energy required to purify an atmosphere with too much of a fatal chemical in it is far more than that required to simply dump some new chemicals into a shortage (as if it were that easy to begin with).
@@LepidoliteMica I think Horizon: Zero Dawn has a realistic take on terraforming.
Because no Earth can sustain 20+ billion humans.
This is like a perpetual motion which is IMPOSSIBLE. you can't use the same resources on the same dying to planet to save it.
Who else thought the Commander looked like a live action Chip Hazard from Small Soldiers? 😂
me.
Right???
I'm not the only one!
right?
Joynel Bonet Delgado legit 🤣
“It is an undeniable, and may I say fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable.”
One thing that always stuck in my head when watching this movie is that it appears to be set in the near future where humans are finally colonizing the stars, that was always a happy thought to me while watching this.
True, definitely my favorite part too, i always hoped i’ll be alive when it finally happens
Colonizing the stars but also on the brink of extinction...still wish I get to live to see it though.
It shouldn't. Humanity is colonizing the stars... to devour them. To repeat what happened on Earth. If these humans are allowed to continue, they will consume everything.
My biggest complaint with the movie was that Jake had one mission, negotiate a fair mining treaty. However, as soon as Neytiri shows up, Jake completely forgets his mission and never once brings it up again. He gets his pony and his flying dinosaur, he gets his alien "strange", and winds up going native and betraying everyone at the base and back on Earth.
He had one thing to do and he fucked that up.
Exactly. He abandoned all of humamity for a piece of alien ass.
@@jackie520 No, so he could walk again. Even when the colonel had his papers ready for the surgery, he chose to go native.
@@jackie520 no he abandoned humans because they deserved it
@@@charissawilkinson9270 first off, your two comments contradict each other. If it was just so he could walk, he could have completed his mission and gotten the surgery.
That being said, his reasons for betraying his species have multiple possible motivations. There was the romantic relationship with the tall blue hottie; there was his desire to walk again, which he was able to do as a Na'vi, and then there's the motivation for revenge against the establishment for discarding him after he was paralyzed in the service of the military. Each reason individually would be a powerful motivator... put them together and it's no wonder that he chose to do what he did.
But that's all beside the point. The real reason is "white man bad, native good." Hollywood's overarching motivation for everything is politically correct environmentalism and social justice, which they laid on so thick in this movie you needed one of those SCBA's to breath in the movie theatre. It's kinda funny that native Americans would be offended by this movie... James Cameron bathes himself and movie-goers in his racial guilt over the settling (conquest?) of America.
@@rildain76 yeah a few natives speaks for the rest of us, dont be mad at me self loathing whites exist, I didnt cause that shit.
Na'vi: We won! The miners are gone!
Humans: You're about to experience *Nagasaki&Hiroshima **_Planet Edition_*
yes nuke them get a taste of our big booms
But it's a moon though.
lol that made me laugh
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit!"
"Ready! Aim!
EDISSON! WHY ISN'T THE CANNON FIRING!"
"I FORGOT TO CHARGE THE BATTERIES SIR!"
If I’m being honest, I was always rooting for the colonel
Me too XD
Won me over with the mech suits and helicopters
same
I would love for one of the movies to be a prequel to the first one explaining how the RDA set up their facilities and the initial conflict between the Na’vi, with Grace being the protagonist. That would be interesting…
Na'vi: "What are you going to do? bomb us again?"
Humans: *Cough*
Two words reaper drones; they'll never see it coming.
*coughs on hand and offers a hand shake*
We have banned orbital bombardment from space
*But it doesn’t say we can’t do that on other planets*
Smallpox blankets and stricnin food. Come on boys, we know how to do it
@@riograndedosulball248 Yeah we humans are ruthless to newly encountered things
The humans lost because they didn’t send in The Death Korps of Krieg.
If brute force doesn’t work, you aren’t using enough.
The fools tried to use over-complicated combined arms operations tactics. Any true servant of the Emperor knows that shovel-armed human wave attacks trump those e'ry time.
humans lost cus they did not send StormTroopers or Mandalorians
Hoàng Nguyên the emperor protects not who goes on free helicopter rides
I would've thought the Catachan Jungle Fighters would be better equipped than the Death Corps. It would be a tiptoe through the tulips for them.
Dude.. the catachan? Lol are they a joke to you?
9:10 you've left out two distinct human advantages. Range and endurance. No animal can throw as far or as accurate as we can, and neither can any animal run as far cause we have the most efficient cooling system in the animal kingdom.
If cameron had done his history homework, he’d know full well that Pandora would’ve been already half terraformed and the more powerful tribes would’ve been so brutal to their neighbours that the latter would welcome humans as liberators.
like the indigenous americans did. oh, and thanksgiving
the situation is a bit different on pandora tho. cause the navi have an actual existing god that they can listen to, and it keeps balance between tribes and species.
Here's my theory:
The entire movie was a tech demo
That's no secret. A lot of modern nonsensical movies with good cgi are being made only to put the tech in use
I’d buy it again.
hahaha
For Alita?
It’s not actually a theory- James Cameron pattented all the tech made during the movie and sold it off. He’s not focusing on making movie off the movie itself, rather it’s simply a demonstration of their capabilities. Some movies made today have some piece of James Cameron tech
one of the coolest scenes in the move is when the general kicks opens the door and walks outside without air supply and just holds he breath while firing a rifle.
That IS a badass meta moment.
He is a colonel, not a general, but General Quaritch seems to be more fitting
as someone who really sides with the Na'vi; that was indeed, very badass of him - only downside is he shot Sigourney Weaver
SPOILER ALERT.
This comment is interesting now, because they actually kind of did nuke them. When they arrived they completely destroyed everything where they planned to make their base. But they say they actually are here this time mainly because earth is dying and they need a new home. So they probably don't want to just randomly throw nukes at their new home.
@@curious5887 thanks for correcting :) I have got to watch this movie again
Humans wanted peace with the navi, when they landed on the planet they had no intention of harming anybody, they just wanted unobtanium. And they tried to teach the navi math and science, and make life easier for them, but the navi responded with brutality.
You forgot to mention humans burn down a school full of Navi children
@@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq I agree with you, but the Navi were attacking human equipment while there was still peace.
@@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq You forgot to mention I don't care
@@user-gd5dj2nj6c you care enough to comment
@@user-gd5dj2nj6c you forgot to mention that wasn’t your conversation moron, of course you wouldn’t care, when will people learn to not be a dick for no valid reason , all it does is change my opinion of you and others, or other words, I don’t like you moron
How far would I go? I would glass Pandora from Orbit and take the Unobtanium from it's lifeless husk of a shell. Don't get me wrong, if I had the luxury of time, I would try the peaceful route, but in a literal "if we don't get it we go extinct" situation - there would be no room for mercy.
I'd go medieval, kill a few hundred people and heads of houses before negotiating and one slip up or breach of contract fight is on
Anndd that's why your a soulless person if you think so I mean there is nothing else to live for and why do we need to exist anyway plus we as humans would be considered evil at that point for taking and destroying planets and what then we will still go all extinct since if we decide to do it to every last planet so their is no use humans like us won't live if there are no more planet's like I said we will have nothing left humans like us are greedy and only think for our selfs death shouldn't be feared at all anyway if we become extinct we become extinct we just need to accept that faith is faith
What you have to understand is that humanity in the Avatar universe isn't humanity. It is a failed species that has abandoned the principles which define how a human should live. Nations have been destroyed. Nature has been destroyed. All people live in pods (like the one we see Jake in) and spend their time drinking themselves to death. It is an ugly globalist Jewish globohomo dystopia, the kind that real world elites dream of. Jake betraying the corrupted remnants of humanity to embrace a pure and decent life with a traditional and unsullied (no pun intended) species was the most logical and noble act anyone could perform.
How about thinking of creative ways of mining the unobtanium without killing the natives?...Or if not then how about trying to move most of the human race to another planet I know its impossible to move 12 billion people. But I'd do anything not to fuck over the innocent natives who did nothing wrong. If humans were too fucking stupid & greedy to stop killing the earth then they deserve to go extinct. Because even if the unobtanium save the earth for a little bit another apocalyptic even is bound to come back in time...Id personally rather die then do the dishonorable thing fuck survival if humans are that much of a failed stupid species.
how about not getting into such a situation in the first place?
lol i remember my main thought after watching the film
'uhhh... why are they celebrating, they just pissed off a civilization with weaponry 100x more advanced than theirs. the sequel can't be anything but a complete massacre of these people.'
What gives the humans the right to mine anything there? Again - golden rule - wouldn't we view it as "evil" if some alien force did the same to us? etc.
It is necessary to pollute everything to the point of environmental destruction as long as the humans are still the good guys.
@@adeimantusglaucon9732 Humanity takes their shit or all humanity dies. The moral is "I'm starving and you look tasty". Humanity tried peaceful coexistence and it failed so the Navi are gonna get Rolling Thunder'd when the cavalry shows up.
Adeimantus Glaucon They literally only wanted to mine a fucking rock that the na vi didn’t even use. And it could be found anywhere but noooooo
Adeimantus Glaucon The Golden rule IMO only applies to other humans
Avatar 2
Navi: the sky people returned...
Sky people: yes we returned with nukes☢...
The end...
@TomeOfBattle Sky people: yes we returned with navicoronavirus .
kill all tall smurfs . leaving all ecosystem intact .
Navi "We drop rocks on them"
Humans: "Hey that's not a bad idea!"
@@bill8711 sky people: to navi your on your own...
@TomeOfBattle
Nukes are chemical weapons
Literally make a Death Star and just obliterate the shit out of the smurfs
In an intresting way, the Na'vi will be in a "stone age" forever due to the three laws of Eywa they follow:
You shall not set stone upon stone.
Neither shall you use the turning wheel.
Nor use the metals of the ground.
I think #3 is why they got so upset...
As someone who grew on a farm....nature's rough, man. It is disgusting, uncaring, and honestly terrifying if you aren't prepared.
Agriculture is yes. Nature is not. You have to be wise enough to survive in nature. As someone who's family live in mountains.
@@jcdenton1868 lol, did you read what you just wrote, your grandfather would be ashamed.
@@jcdenton1868 Agriculture? As in the litteral domesticated version of nature humans made so they could live easier lives?
That worse then the real deal?
Na'vi: yay we won! now they'll never fight us again!
Humanity 100 years later: *y'all ever heard of a little thing called xenocide*
Why wait 100 years though?
@@SalumarLP space distance probably?
yeah if i where the rda ceo id ship as many antimatter and cobalt salted gigaton hydrogen bombs there as my ship could carry and erradicate every single lifeform on that rock with all consuming radioactive fire.
Pandora just pulled a pearl harbor...
Mfw space injuns get to meet the Gestapo.
Na'vi: We drove back this small military force
Humanity: *THE FLAMES WILL RISE*
_swift purifier spam_
THERE IS ONLY ONE APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION BROTHERS
*EXTERMINARDUS*
Bonus point: Human stuff is cool
"I mean, have you seen how cool is the Valkyrie shuttle?"
“Hey should we send an ambassador to negotiate?”
“Nah lets send this retired disabled soldier”
Not to mention that the protagonist never actually tried to accomplish his job in establishing negotiations about mining with the Navi - he was too busy falling in love. The avatar program was created to try to avoid conflict, not to create it. While he was having the time of his life on the personal level, the time for using negotiation to avoid conflict was being wasted. Imagine if he had instead helped negotiate peaceful co-existence, before things went bad...
Humans did not need to move en mass to the inhospitable Pandora, they just needed ores, and potentially could have traded other goods and services, which would have saved not only lives on both sides, but would have been cheaper than war and thus please even cold hearted bean counters.
Humans would have wiped them out all the same.
@@paulbeen459 Humans in this fictional story could have wiped them out from day one, but didn't, instead investing in schools, and then in the avatar technology, specifically attempting a peaceful co-existence. Humans needed the mineral (in small quantities which could be shipped via expensive interstellar transport), but did not need the planet or it's life.
Since it's fiction, there is no "true" or "false" answer to your assertion. Your assertion is what in the real world would be called a counter-factual, the path one can only speculate upon since it's not the factual path our history followed; in a fictional universe, this 'alternate history' is even more vague - the author could have written in any other way one can name.
But it's more logically consistent with the fictional universe as presented so far, for humans to co-exist with the Navi.
I think that in essence you are saying that if you had written the story, your humans would have wiped our your Navi, and we cannot deny that.
Bruh. They wasnt going to move. He knew that pretty much off rip.
@@zephsmith3499 they only did that because they didn't want the bad press for committing a mass genocide
@@zephsmith3499 Funny how the opposite of that happened innit?
Na'vi: We pushed back the desperate miners. We won!
Humans: Acknowledged. Standby for Titanfall.
Na'vi: O_O
Pretty sure their arrows wont work on that mecha
Dammit ... now you have me wanting to play titanfall again ...
*some pokemon battle music plays*
Pilot: scorch, i choose you! *screams this while pointing at the ground*
*3 seconds later a scorch titan lands*
Na'vi: IT'S A GUNDAAAAM!!!
Its nuclear warfare bois, time to use the power armor
I think Jake literally gave up on humanity for alien booty
He deserves castration for being a traitor to humanity.
I was with you with all your points up until Eywa. A couple of things bugged me about that.
1. You describe the Na'vi as succumbing to an "alien" intelligence, however, this characterization is misleading. Eywa is, in general terms, an amalgamation of all life on Pandora. In point of fact, she contains large portions of the consciousness of all the Na'vi throughout history. Almost their entire evolutionary history is in Eywa. So it's not an "alien" intelligence, as significant portions of its intellect actually *are* Na'vi. Think of Eywa as an ancestral council of all organisms on Pandora.
You rightly point out that the balance Eywa keeps leads to shorter life expectancy, but the continuity oglf consciousness beyond bodily death for the Na'vi can't be understated in this equation. Even Sigourney Weaver's character essentially downloaded her consciousness into Eywa before death. So while there is a shorter life expectancy, death is not the same on Pandora as it is to an earthling.
Further, you described Eywa as "possibly malevolent," however, this is generally speaking shown to be not the case. For reasons previously mentioned, Eywa is so deeply connected with every life on Pandora that malevolence against the Na'vi is essentially malevolence against itself. The equivalent of an autoimmune disorder.
And importantly, if you understand Pandora as a body, and each organism as a cell, you will understand largely Eywa's perspective towards the people. For the body to maintain itself, occasionally certain cells have to die. Ultimately, examining our own bodies on a cellular level would show a similar apparent callousness and brutality, but every part of the human body is, to the body, precious.
What's more, in Eywa is actually the source of the *solution* to the conflict. The Na'vi have no interest in anything humanity can provide, but the Na'vi are not the ones humanity needs to convince. Eywa is. And humanity has the potential to offer Eywa something that it doesn't have access to itself. *Progeny.*
All life desires to propagate itself. Eywa has maintained equilibrium because it suffuses all the area available to it. But humanity has access to interstellar travel. Allowing the possibility of creating a *new* Eywa, like a child, on another moon. By transplanting over time a number of "seed" populations of Pandoran flora and fauna onto another world, where it could grow and develop into an independent consciousness. Incorporation of technology, as humans use, would open up the options to an interstellar collective, potentially even incorporating humans and earth biota into the fold. Technology would even be capable of being wired in to augmenting Eywa itself, expanding its capacities. Because its electronics would ultimately be extensions of its current body and mind, it would likely see no inherent difference between technical creations and biological ones. Thus allowing it to see the benefits of technical expansion, and then *Eywa itself* would bring technology to the Na'vi, because they are the organisms most suited to.
If humanity had paid enough attention to recognize what Eywa was, ultimately the conflict could be greatly ameliorated. But anthropomorphic bias caused them to negotiate with Pandora's hands rather than its brain.
So I think there's potential there for a highly interesting story, but it is a story that is unlikely ever to be put to film. Because the film creators *also* have an anthropomorphic bias, and do not seem likely to explore the broader implications of the world that they created.
See, this kind of long-term thinking would be indicative of a species that truly has matured enough to become an interstellar civilization. Forging a common future with planetary-scale hive minds would benefit humanity immensely in the long term, but all the humans in the movie - and many in these comments - are myopically hyperfocused on the short-term benefits of mining an industrial resource.
And in the shallowest way imaginable, too - remember when Selfridge tries to motivate Grace to do what he wants? Does he argue that unobtainium has immense benefits to human technology and civilization? Does he mention how many great things it enables in medicine, science, manufacturing?
Hell no, he just tells her it's wortha lot of money, and threatens her funding. The movie's RDA has zero long-term vision that extends beyond, literally, the next financial quarter.
My absolute favorite quote from the movie:
"What could we even give to them? Beer? Jeans? Video games?"
Me: Tools, fire, agriculture, medicine, wheel?
They have a hovering rocks. Wheels would be obsolete very quickly.
@@jarosawsobinski1928 Ladders? Better ropes? Flying machines?
@@JakubWojciechowski933
Navi:Who needs flying machines when we have dragons we can fornicate with?
@@jarosawsobinski1928 Weaponized armored flying dragons?
They had tools, fire, and medicine and didn't need agriculture and wheels. Try again.
My man got sum fucc and was immediately ready to betray the human race.
Lol
Before that, he has linked to the alien planet-wide neural network, with processing capacity far surpassing his mind... for all we know, he might've got his mind hacked all the ways to Sunday at this moment.
Gabe Schmidt I mean to be fair his dick probably wasn’t working before having a fully functional body would be enough for me to betray my species if it means I can walk again
@@charlottewalnut3118
True, I can see your point.
But, if he played the game he was gonna have that operation.
He was crippled, he couldnt get any puss
After watching Avatar 2, you are 100% correct, and if humanity doesn’t win in avatar 3 than I’m going to stop watching
Gotta glass sully from orbit!
@@Squiddicus2 AGREED, sully is literally their only general, if he is taken out then humanity wins.
@@knighthunter5333 fr I was watching those badass ships landing and wondering, if they knew where sully was near the end of the movie, why didn’t they just park a ship right over the islands and burn the surface till the water was boiling?????
@@Squiddicus2 honestly he can travel anywhere completely unrestricted.
I say they should build a runway to house bombers and fighters. If they had them they could have supported the colonel with a precision air strikes and could have taken out that base in the flying rocks. Stop using helicopters and get some air superiority fighters.
Also, they only have 10 ships in orbit. To preform a landing would take a tremendous amount of calculations and the weather has to optimal to ensure that the ship can burn the ground and then fly off again.
@@knighthunter5333 this is where the stupid plot armor comes in cause I think theres a “flux vortex”, which prohibits anything from flying too fast while Maintaining communications/ sensor data. But I agree, a fast attack weapon would be great at countering the hit and run strategy the navi use
HUMANITY FIRST XENOS LAST
Avatar 2: It is the year 30798, our Emperor has begun his great crusade to reunite humanity into a single nation.
Avatar 2 :Exterminatus , The Emperor protects
Inquisitor Kryptman need your location
Toxic atmosphere means death guard would be on it, bad news Navi lol
Horus enter the battle, Black stone fortress.
Oh fuck
The sequel no-one will ever make is that after the RDA were ousted from Pandora, the military shows up and bombs the planet to ash.
Because if Unobtanium was as important as it's stated in the movie, that conflict would not have ended where the movie did.
The conflict didn’t end it’s just that the forces they had in place were not powerful enough so they were sent home. Don’t forget that it takes about half a decade to go there so I’m pretty sure a larger and more organized force is on its way.
Maybe there are hippie activists on Earth sabotaging the RDA.
@@charlespuruncajas9663 No... Hippies invade and trash the place!
That wouldn’t be smart and here’s the reason you really think dropping a nuke would solve the problem Good idea if you wanna risk contaminating the mineral you were after you idiot it’s very valuable to them and I don’t think they’re even going to risk that
@@mitchellneuhoff9946 a bio weapon
When I was a kid I refused to believe that humanity has space travel and still haven't found a way to fix our planet. And then I got older and realized it's not that humanity couldn't fix earth, they chose not to.
Congrats, you know nothing of what our technological discoveries are and don't understand that these 2 thing are completely unrelated from a scientific pov.
@@denisionescu5072 humanity has the time and the resources to travel light years away to a new planet, attempt to mine it, create the technology to literally transfer minds to another body, and yet fixing Earth's problems is out of the question?
@@vicethane it's fiction, and in this particular fiction, yes.
in this story, governments and big corporations fucked up earth and then go to fuck up another planet in the name of saving earth. most likely, only rich people are gonna be benefited by the invasion.
@@vicethane Because Earth's problems are a hell of a lot harder to fix.
Humans are the Good Guys in every story.
Avatar 2 in a nutshell: In the name of the God Emperor of Mankind, I hereby declare exterminatus on this planet. The Emperor protects.
Consider this comment fortyfied!
@@captaintitus3840 By the throne! Its the one and only Rogal Dorn^^
For The Emperor and Dorn, we will endure!
FORTIFY!!
The emperor is cringe
Purge the filthy xenos scum. All hail the god emperor.
Imperium of man appreciates your loyalty to mankind , citizen.
PURGE THE XENOS BATTLEBROTHER
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!!
Ah... just as planned
*AVE IMPERATOR*
[ L A U G H S I N E X T E R M I N A T U S ]
Humanity first
The humans are always good because we are humans
Yeah! Humans are the best species ever! We created the amazing Morbius movie, after all
@@alceratops6853 Exactly
@@alceratops6853 "ITS MORBIN TIME! “
Drinks up the moons entire resource supply because the big blue aliens pissed us off too much.
Navi: We Won
Humans after some years: Nuke 'em boys
Who needs nukes when you have space Marines?
Who need nuke If you have Napalm?
Since it is set in 22nd century, plastic would have been lighter and stronger than steel and add with matrix composite, you'll get light enough body armor resistant to their arrow's kinetic energy while pulse weapons shoots caseless ammo and have higher capacity. If those humans were Colonial Marines, the war will be even shorter.
Yeah everyone here is right.
E X T E R M I N A T U S.
who needs nukes if you can deflect an asteroid ?
Navi: we won
USA: you should read japanese history
Ah shit now we will have 2 place that making Anime
@@Cracker_Smacker and hentai
That would defeat the entire point of going to there
God emperor Of mankind would make it easier to get some rocks. Then we only need radiation suits.
@@TheMacgyver3441 the Death korps of krieg would be ideal
Bro said that the na'vi are dangerouse because there tall and have weapons like ballistas, and humans are short and caryying guns, rocket launchers, and bombs what dose that say about us
Idk why we didn’t just use chlorine gas on them or something like that
Because you'd need millions of tons of the stuff, and it might not even work in the end since most of Pandora's life is adapted to high levels of hydrogen sulfide and radiation?
@@paulzuk1468 antimatter weapons would do the job
@@johnjoe769 Sure,they have a number of options to commit mundicide. Too bad that afterwards they'd have nowhere to flee to from angry mobs on Earth.
This is like a Russian rn asking why they didn't nuke the Ukrainians when the war started
Can't they just cover it up? Even if not I'd be on the RDA's side @@paulzuk1468
Unless the Navi went through 2 industrial and a couple of IT revolutions, Avatar 2 is going to be Schindler's List in space.
Avatar 2: electric floor boogaloo
Well at least they are both fictional
@@DaytonaRoadster you realise the events in Schindler's List were based off actual events... right?
@Alexis Versa Seek professional help. I get that your life went the wrong direction at one point and youre desperate about finding something to direct your anger onto to give yourself some sort of purpose
we cant make EUV chips its gunna take them a multitude of reforms to get to sillicon at all
Na'vi: Yay the sky people are gone!
Commander Shepard: We don't know how many marines they have killed, dozens, hundreds, it's not important. What matters is this, NOT ONE MORE!
The idea that commander Shepard would endorse a private company genociding native people offense me.
Like really, if human can only find the mineral there, the military would be in charge of the place, not a private corporation. As if humanity would let one company be in charge of all the oil in the world. Obviously it's not the only source, just the richest source. .
Also energy crisis really? They have fucking anti-matter and nuclear fusion for power. Crisis my asses. More like mining super oil is cheaper than actually build shit.
The plot and conclusion of the movie was weak, but the amount of 'and human totally shoud massacre the barbarian' HFY butthurt over what amount to greedy corporation trying to genocide native for profit and fail surprise me.
Get the hell out of here traitor.
@@Zergking100 I apology for not conflating a fictional humanity that is either too stupid or wasteful with the actual humanity I am a part of. I cannot betray something I was not a part of or ally of.
They have fucking anti-matter. If there is an energy crisis that converting matter to energy 1-1 cannot solve, Unobtainium would not save them. Nothing generate more energy than their mass converted into energy.
@@Miikudo I identify myself as a human of the real world, not a fictional one like the idiots in a movie I watched for fun called Avatar. Sorry for not conflating reality and fiction.
Now, granted, one can sympathize or project themselves into a fictional humanity, but it's by no mean a requirement or obligation. If you read/watch enough fiction, you'd have realized how many fictional mankinds were evil POS or terminal stupid. It's just not possible to identify with such thing.
P.S: Also it's not 'humanity'. It's just a corporation. It's not existential crisis, just 'I have to be content with fusion and anti-matter powerplants'.
@@Riverlia Remember, too, that the antimatter reactors aren't actually energy *sources* , they're glorified battery packs. The antimatter for them has to be produced using an actual source, meaning that Avatar's humanity not only mastered using antimatter for power and starship propulsion, but have the gargantuan energy generation infrastructure needed to actually deploy this tech on a mass scale.
The idea that they can possibly be having an energy crisis is completely and utterly absurd.
jake is a traitor who got out in the wild, horny and overconfident with a depressed mind to start up with... so we can't get his point as valid. would you treat a stray dog differently if it bites or bark at you?
This message brought to you by the God Emperor of Mankind.
Balance above all. War as a last resort. avoid it if we can. Start it if we must. End it if we can.
Ooh, nice!
But to alien exterminate on sight ,Balance is staked for the benefit of kin above all else.
To quote a wise man: "...fighting not good. But if must fight... win."
Agreed
I have heard some say the most ethical war is the quickest. So if you have to go to war, go in dominate your opponent, then come to a peaceful agreement.
Navi: We pushed back the miners. We won the war.
Human: Sending in Astartes drop pods.
"ODST, ready to drop!"
"You want a piece of me boy?"
"Reactor online, sensors online, weapons online. All systems nominal."
"Rebel one, standing by!"
"Come on you apes, you want to live forever?"
"RIP AND TEAR"
Unto the fires of battle! Unto the anvil of war!
"we defeated a mining corporation"
Humanity:"come at me bitch!"(sends actual military force,ready to die for their people instead of their salary)
For the EMPEROR!! Burn THE GALAXY!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Purging with my kin~
makes no sense whatsoever to be able to do interstellar travel but have no nuclear fusion. im pretty sure it is impossible to be in that situation.
I really wish their answer to space travel is just a really big trebuchet.
As RoanokeGaming alway says “Humanity #1” baby
Na'vi teaching the final battle of the movie - The largest and most important battle in the history of our people that shall never be rivaled.
Humanity teaching the final battle of the movie - Alright class, today we will learn about the minor skirmish that preceded the full scale invasion of Pandora that led to the lobotomization of 90% of Na'vi to work in the Unobtanium mines.
That's not how lobotomies work. If unobtanium is really humanity's last hope, generally, the military would be leading because thats usually how inter-national relations work. Private companies aren't allowed to controlled certain markets that could lead to military intervention. Either the military attacks in the movie are illegal and no one is gonna be sending more forces or there is no proper military to send in the first place and that physical forces sent was the most that could be sent.
@@noconaroubideaux9423 Its never expressly stated, and forgive me if I'm wrong I've only ever seen the movie so if there's comics or books that clarify my apologies, that the RDA is just a company. Even now groups like Amazon have amassed an immense power in our day to day lives to the point that they could easily evolve to being treated like nation states. And the lobotomy thing was a quick joke about the removal of the Navi's free will.
It wouldn't be that hard to selectively glass the resource nodes and mine the unobtanium wearing exosuits.
Brave of you to assume that humans have the capability to commence a "full scale invasion" of another planet
@@paulzuk1468 My choice of words was more so to express the fact that by human standards this "conflict" wasn't very large. My apologies for not being more specific.
The RDA's problem. Not enough bayonets.
"FORWARD FOR THE EMPEROR!"
@Just Jeff heavy flamers
@@commissarghost2452 You can never go wrong with more promethium
Exterminatus
Lets be honest here, the real problem the humans had was the lack of the guidance of the Holy Emperor.
@@commissarghost2452 I will need a Heavy Flamer for this Heresy
You miss the point that Pandora does not allow for technology past bows and arrows. They even put fires down.
I have to disagree with you here. Even IF humans tried to maintain peaceful relations with the Na'vi, The Na'vi clearly made it known that humans were not welcome on THEIR home world. Colonization of an already inhabited place is amoral, no matter the circumstances leading to the need to colonize. Also, the big source of unobtainium that the Humans wanted was directly underneath the Na'vi's holy tree. Imagine how the big three religions would feel if you wanted to level Jerusalem to get to a cobalt deposit.
Human right don´t apply, when you are not human. Lets fucking colonize some cringe ahh Aliens united as mankind! The banner of earth placed on every planet we find! Resitance crushed and resources extracted! LETS FUCKING GO!
Trust me, I am as “Humanity First” as it comes, but the arguments in this video were just stupid.
It would take several essays to go into how Alan was so terribly wrong on virtually every point lmao.
The moon, their literal physical god, can fucking talk to them directly. Jake, the moment he found out about the USB hair, should have talked to the moom.
Let me tell you, if God said "Hey Amazon needs to tear down Jeruzalem for some sweet ore" people would let it happen.
You can literally provide the moon with a way to spread to other celestials bodies to reproduce. Appeasing the Na'vi was a mistake to begin with but if Jake wasn't such a idiot things could have ended better.
I love how HISHE called this film out over how the ending would've been less bloody if the main negotiator wasn't a horny and procrastinating jackass and actually did his job and engaged in negotiation with them.
He was convinced there was absolutely nothing he could've possibly offered them *in exchange for their ancestral home* .
It was perfectly logical for him to procrastinate at that point. That's how actual people act.
@@paulzuk1468 Really...all the tech and trade goods humanity has and you think there's NOTHING we could've given them for mineral rights?
@@paulzuk1468 and therefore he didnt even tried but went straight to War? cool...
Dope name and pp
@@ottersirotten4290 First, he didn't "go straight to war". If you somehow managed to miss it, it was the *RDA* that started slaughtering civilians. They went to war, Jake just switched sides.
Second, yes, he "didn't even try" (he actually tried really hard, hence the despair we see in that video log where he concludes there's nothing he can offer them) because he knew that admitting to his real task without having a proposal the Omaticaya could accept would make them cast him out, and he didn't want to be cast out. But he also knew what would happen if he didn't, and had no idea what to do.
He was caught in between a rock and a hard place, with no way out, and it's a perfectly natural human reaction to withdraw and run away from the problem. It was 100% fitting the character *and* the stage of the hero's journey he was at.
Honestly,I think the main reason the humans lost in the first place was because the Navi had plot armor. Without it, they would have been wiped out.
Right bout that and the nature helped them if it hadn't they most definitely would have won
@Joseph Martinez in reality super sonic jets with missiles travelling 15x the speed of sound that can strike from kilometres away would wipe out any dragons
@@MagikarpMan where the Navi and humans fought at the end you couldn’t bring specialized weapons bc of the flux vortex surrounding the area. This would mean that somebody breaking the sound barrier would be “traveling blind” with no equipment to guide or aid them.
@@unknown_individual7050 so large ordinance still work they would just be lacking guidance. Meaning we could resort to ww2 style bombing but with alot more powerful ordinance. Honestly that would be worse for the navi since it would do a lot more overall damage than precision strikes
@@MagikarpMan They would not work in pandora floating island with its huge magnetic camps.
This video makes me wish we’d get an animated miniseries showing Navi and human relations years later. Where Jake and his family are one of the many hundred remnants of the Navi. In which they are forced to collaborate and make peace with the millions of humans left in space that returned to Pandora for one final mission, as their return would be a result of a grand exodus from a dead Earth. Realizing that both my die off in a few generations, Jake could finally fulfill the duty he believes he’s responsible for: being a negotiator between his previous race, and the people he’s lived with for years. The show could end with the conclusion of the final episode flashing forward to a prosperous society in which both people’s have had a decade of prosperity and technological advancement to where, together, they explore and colonize planets that are not inhabited.
🧐👽
Is that not what the whole second film and third film and probably 4th film going to be about?
@@CalumOH no
This is a sickness, and completely erases the Na'vi's agency. They do not want what Earth is selling, and Earth must respect that. There is no compromise possible. One CANNOT force themselves on a people who don''t consent.
@@TheSuperRatt Well, no, we can
Just people would never stop bitching about it after
We need a sequel to this video with Avatar 2
Yeah
Yeah avatar 2 is same movie with different cover
@@Mohammed-zn8zt but worse.
@@vini-ix8yt ong
I felt bad for most humans in avatar 2, they had such brutal deaths and most werent even that bad. They didnt even get to surrender
*Na'vi:* No Humans allowed!
*Imperium of Man:* I see we're at a disagreement...
Hand hovers over 'Exterminatus' button.
Lets be xenophobic, its really in this year...
Xenomorphs are living things too.
imperium wouldn't have sent few thousands of men but few billions, if they have difficulties just Exterminatus and then mine the world.
@@itespablade1688 This guy knows what's up.
Some blue aliens: Finally. We beat the humans!!!
Something written in the sky: The tutorial level is complete
Blue Aliens: ...
And back on earth written in the sky "test to see if humans are worthy of joining advanced galactic society of thousands of alien species results in failure. We could've solved all your problems but now we're going to isolate you in your solar system." Just like the space cash episode of South Park.
Next up : us kriegsmen siege the planet and turn it into a nuclear and gassed wasteland
@@throatbruise all because some bunch incompetent corporate hacks couldn't get their greed under control...
@@throatbruise Learn to take a joke nerd
Bro, I don't care ... I just want the number of Avatars to increase to the level of humans and have them go to war with humans. It will be fun enjoy the war
Critical Drinker summed up the movie in one line perfectly. "Dances with Fern Gully, Pocahontas, Aliens, while Saving Private Ryan from 9/11". This video is a wonderful addition.
Bruh, well the movie does have flaws, but criticize the plot for being unoriginal is kinda moot when you realize all movie of today tell the same story and has been doing this for century, your superhero tell the same story of hero vs villain, but each superhero movie has different styles, but the point remain, criticizing a movie for unoriginal plot is a bad way of critique a movie (unless the movie is really bad)
Critical drinker video is also unoriginal it contains nothing new those are same criticisms that i hearing about since 2009
Unoriginal=bad
Hanlon's Razor states that you should never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity, and in the Avatar universe (not A:TLA) humans weren't evil, just incompetent. Antagonists need not be evil; a touch of incompetence is, when you come to think of it, more than enough to get them into a position where everyone's got their guns aimed at them.
If the Avatar universe was fleshed out such that the Navi were not painted as pure good and humans as pure evil, with incompetence crippling both sides to great extent (Navi resistance to change, humanity's unchecked greed), that would be great.
Na'vi: yes! We sent the humans back!
Agent orange and napalm: allow us to introduce ourselves
1960’s, meet the 22nd century
Scientists believe that the cures for many diseases like cancer and alzhrimers could be found in the DNA of rainforest species. Agent orange, and the degradation of ecosystems in general, could have set us back centuries in medical science. Who knows what benefits to humanity could be found in the DNA of aliens. "Humanity first" is best achieved by preserving life wherever found, "purging xenos" hurts us much more than it helps, especially if they don't have the capacity to wage war on our home planet.
Whos agent orange?
@@poweringaccounttermination4026 you should not ask who... but what
@@captnsnackbeard6898 agent orange is not person?
The humans are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers.
Lmao
Episode IV Star Wars quote about Tuskan Raiders..... Will you be my friend?
and Pissed off
Jake actually doomed the Navi to genocide anyway, the goddamn Earth fleet is gonna come in full force and not extend a hand for diplomacy this time
nah, just orbital cannon the planet
A lot of these reasons are just saying how the NaVi are worse than humans, not how humans were in the right here. I think it's never right to come into someone's home and destroy it for the sake of your own home. Negotiate, maybe. But force? Nah. I don't care how "stupid" or "primitive" they are. Also that wasn't bestiality lol.
You gotta do what you gotta do to survive.
@@noidsuper at a whole local civilization's expense? It's a cool moral conundrum, since you're right, it is your species and your home you're doing it for. I wish the main humans on the pro mining side in that movie hadn't been so over the top, since I would have liked to see a little bit of internal struggle from someone as they slaughtered these other people for the sake of their own.
@@noidsupercolonizer.
@@TimeTheLord Don’t get me wrong, the characterization of the humans is a downright silly and cartoonish portrayal of evil which serves as a very hamfisted device to justify the entire plot. This is even more apparent in the second one, where their survival motivation becomes even more flimsy. I feel as if Earth dying isn’t taken at all seriously (speaking on the first one).
@@PayGorn this is a completely different scenario from the Europeans colonizing everything
I thought that humanity was the good guys from the start. I thought this was fairly obvious ngl.
*Avatar 2*
Na'vi: "Hey, why there is two suns in the sk..."
Pilot: "So how many of these bombs do we have to drop?"
Co-Pilot: "Just the one. They all live in one tree."
@@mimictear6788
Pilot: god these guys are dumb
@@mimictear6788 Bombardier: "... But we got a second bomb. Just to be sure."
Drop nukes
@@Rebotified Regular bombs are enough, don't want your men to walk in radiation.
Ngl the humans should have landed at the other side of the planet
Good thinking, I was also wondering if they mining there undetectable
They indicated there were tribes all over the planet.
@@davidthompson6099 in the movie I could only see one massive colony but wondering if they pre survey the planet of that tribes wasn't present in a certain area
Pandora is a moon btw
@@lucasahumada6913 That is simply semantics at this point. It's astronomically a moon yes. But is has life and is larger than several planets. For all intents and purposes, it is a planet-like object and for a layman a planet.
This same morality can be used for the British who landed first in the Americas... We all know how that went😂
Yeah like why do these savages don't want to embrace the way of life we are imposing them and recieving us with open arms, us the people who've stolen theirl lands and killed the creatures whom they had deep conections with
The very biology of Na'vi is non-logical and questionable. Their planet's gravity is lower, so their muscle and bone structure must be less dense than humans. So it means humans should be stronger and more durable physically per 1 kg of body mass. This applies to all of Pandora's fauna. Also, since gravitation is low, humans must be able to run and jump far better than on Earth. Not to mention that they would be able to fight Na'vi hand to hand more successfully than you might think.
navi is not made out of carbon, it mixed
they had different evolution tree
[Their planet's gravity is lower, so their muscle and bone structure must be less dense than humans.]
This is actually a sci-fi storytelling trope, not a natural law. Biological systems will evolve to optimize for survival vs. resource and energy use. Humans lose muscle and bone mass in low gravity because we evolved to conserve resources in the environment on Earth ; But for an organism which has to contend with lower gravity and lots of energy in the system (thanks to Alpha Centauri's two suns plus Polyphemus' radiation rings) muscles are a lot easier to maintain - you can get a lot stronger before you can't find enough nutrients and calories anymore. Radiation would also provide another selection pressure that favored body mass, dense muscles and/or heavy armor.
Hence - extremely strong and dangerous predators, extremely heavily armored herbivores, and very strong humanoid tool users with reinforced skeletons. It's perfectly logical.
humans vs blue dudes is basically dwarves vs elves
I can imagine a guy just carrying a blue dude and using him as a bench press