Why Humans in AVATAR are the Good Guys
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2024
- While the film Avatar paints the brave Humans and Marines of the RDA as the bad guys, we think the truth is far more complicated than most people realize.
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Na'vi:the miners are gone! we won!
also Na'vi: why do i hear fortunate son?
Why do they know fortunate son, but i really want to see them got roketed by an helicopter
Why is the sky playing wagner?
Oh no
jake: that was only a private company, there's still a shit ton of militaries on earth
na'vi: say sike right now
@@Ispeedymg Navi don't surf! > : (
NAPALM AIN'T A WAR CRIME IF THEY AIN'T HUMAN!
I find it fucking hilarouse that this nearly has 140 likes.
I honestly wanted the humans to win, mostly coz our protagonist just had a weak story
"I got laid on this planet, so screw all you guys"
True that. The commander was more of the hero of the story than Sam worthingtons character was.
-space Marine gets pussy
-fucks over his entire squad
Fuck how do I feel about this?
Gives "pussy-whipped" a whole new dimension, doesn't it?
In his case
*HOES BEFORE BROS!*
In the game you can win a the humans lol
And you know, Jake never bothered to tell the Navi why the humans were there or what they wanted and why...
Which was, after all, his JOB on the planet. I mean, he was security at the start, but then after they accepted him, he did have a new job to work on. You had ONE thing....
I know right!
10:24 I think that line is specifically directed at him
Yes! Thank you! I remember thinking that the very first time I saw this movie.
Why in the hell didn’t he ever tell them about the humans wanting to mine? You had one job, dumbass.
True...if he did, then the Navi, not all of course, would see them differently.
I always liked that the colonel, even tho kind of a cliche villain, is very skilled, cares for his men, is not afraid to be on the front lines and presents a legit threat to main characters.
Jake always seemed like a traitor to me. He had one job and fucked it up.
And jake did it all to taste an alien, he is not one of the bros anymore.
Side rant, you think that one day in the future (if we get off this planet) some kind of new ideology will rise? Something like starship troopers (facism with a twist of technocracy, yes like national socialism) or maybe something like the empire (super advanced and alien hating government that has loyal members and a immortal leader to never stray his leadership) because I feel like we might progress to one of those governments, which both are quite enjoyable to live in thinking of their success and prosperity
@@_Its_Ya_Boy Imagine wanting to live under imperial rule or fascism lmao. You are insane.
@@daimyo1178 I would anyday, free food, free training, if I survive long enough I’ll be as dangerous as the colonel, better extreme work and taxes in todays day and age just to live
Jake betrayed EVERYONE. The Avatar program team, the Na'vi and the security team 😂 all this because clapping blue cheeks while pulling on a tail was more important to him than anything
He was given an impossible task
Here's the funny thing about Avatar, there's nothing the Navi can do if the RDA just decided to glass the planet from orbit and harvest the minerals afterward.
@Kevin Warburton If the Alternative is the death of Earth, i dont see any Problems
@Kevin Warburton You need more energy to send a space ship to the next stellar system at 90% of lightspeed than to change the orbit of and asteroid. they just had to dismantle one cargo ship and strip its thruster on an asteroid, actually just a cargo ship throwing random rock from orbit would be enough to cause destruction on scale similar to nuclear weapon.
Guys you don't need to go anywhere to do it. Stay in system, find big space rock, shove big space rock into pandora at moderate(by cosmic scale) speeds, profit.
@n00bMaster69 The mountains float because they're electromagnetic, not because of the atmosphere. Unobtanium is a superconductor which is why the humans want it.
Anyone who can travel at even a fraction of the speed of light (Like the RDA) is capable of 'glassing' a planet, fly your ship at the target and release a projectile - Then slow down. Atmosphere / Magnetism would not be able to stop the projectile. The atmosphere of Earth couldn't stop the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, a projectile going a fraction of the speed of light would be even more powerful than that. Magnetism wouldn't be a problem either and if it was you could just launch a non-magnetic projectile anyways.
This is actually a big plot hole in any sci-fi work that portrays the use of light-speed travel, a good example being Starwars (Which is why it was weird to see them acknowledge it was possible in The Last Jedi, when Holdo sacrificed herself). Light-speed travel is stupidly easy to weaponize and stupidly hard to defend against. If you are capable of it, you can completely shit on anyone who isn't. This is one of the many reasons why the human race wouldn't stand a chance if a hostile alien species ever attacked us.
“Humanity could become a true spacefaring race” shows pic of victory class star destroyer orbitally bombarding a planet
Noice
As it should be
I see nothing wrong here
Red-pilled fanatic xenophobe, militarist society (Stellaris humour)
@@The_WatchList based
Na'vi: "What are you going to do? bomb us again?"
Humans: *Cough*
Two words reaper drones; they'll never see it coming.
*coughs on hand and offers a hand shake*
We have banned orbital bombardment from space
*But it doesn’t say we can’t do that on other planets*
Smallpox blankets and stricnin food. Come on boys, we know how to do it
@@riograndedosulball248 Yeah we humans are ruthless to newly encountered things
At the end of Avatar, Eywa actually directs the wildlife of Pandora to attack humanity and drive them off. Scarier still, it does so without directly connecting with them. That’s a Gravemind level of intelligence.
Nuke it from orbit it’s the only way to be sure.
So Eywa is the colonial brain of the planet? In a sense, it's like microbes trying to mine a human brain for molecular metals. I say we mine it anyways.
GLASS IT
@@Fikoj Exterminatus?
Sounds like the planet is in dire need of MAC rounds and glassing
Who else thought the Commander looked like a live action Chip Hazard from Small Soldiers? 😂
me.
Right???
I'm not the only one!
right?
Joynel Bonet Delgado legit 🤣
Avatar is a movie about someone who betrayed his entire race just to clap some alien cheeks....
Human race betrayed someone, and here is the payback... People are shitty creatures.
@@CrashPCcz We aren't that shitty, there's just too many of us for nature to handle
@@CrashPCcz I bet you just feel so great about yourself dont you
I can respect that tho...
@@CrashPCcz Your calling yourself shitty?
The comments here are:
50% about the video
50% Warhammer 40k
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@@jondonom you just won the internet
Imperium strikes back
100% nuke navi
My dude. .. did you just low key rationalize the slaughter of native Americans?
When I first this as a young child, I was actually upset that humanity was the bad guy, I told my dad that it was stupid and didn’t want to watch it again. Makes sense that I am a 40K fan now!
your dad failed his job then
@@amalkatrazz it’s ok he’s a 40K fan too now!
Didn't your dad teach you that your side isn't always in the right?
@@monkeycaboose6872 een if it is the only side that does not want you dead?
@@FNKB888 Ah, he redeemed himself, good.
"truly galactic wide spacefaring species"
Shows picture of orbital bombardment
I like where you're going with it
Im from Buenos Aires and I say KILL EM ALL!
Why not orbital bombardment in the first place, then send in the ground troops to cleanup the rest. Well why play on their ground if you could just beat everything with superior firepower
許進曾 Ikr
@@許進曾 could be because the magic metal (since it has such a high energy capacity) could be destroyed or cause even worse explosions if hit with bombardments.
@@luciussulla2641 its Un-destroyble
Imagine if the Imperium of Man landed on Pandora 😂
Imagix a bunch of tall blue aliens getting squished by a 7 foot monster.
FOR THE EMPEROR
O boy here I go killing for the empireor
Mean Emperor
"What Kind of Aeldari scum is this?
It have to die for the sake of the Emperor!
Die Xenoscum die, die, die!"
Unknown Brother Sergeant of the Black Templars
The craziest thing in Avatar is that humans had body production technology and saw Navi having permanent mind transfer technology. And NOBODY realized that it literally means physical immortality.
Yeah because their quarterly statement did not include a line for "Making humans immortal", so they didn't give a shit.
It's a minor theme in the movie, with Grace even pointing out how they can't see the ACTUAL wealth of Pandora, having their noses literally stuck in the ground.
Well ACTUALLY, if you watch the sequel...
@@cannonfodder8252 I loved the first, but the second movie was trash.
What wolandrew said should've been the reason they came back. They even did the "hunt for immortality" narrative but completely overlooked what was already there and invented a new one... (just because he wanted water)
The humans trying to understand and claim ey'was mind-transferring powers should've been their goal. Could've easily made it work too, by simply having the underwater trees be unique and central in understanding it.
Sigh...
Human Can't connect to the spirit tree
If you can afford to have a new body made to transfer your consciousness into. The procedure would more than likely be outrageously expensive and only reserved for the richest/most influential humans, and you'd have to give the new body time to grow, and what if something happens to you in the meantime? What if you die or experience brain death while waiting for your new body to be ready? The Avatar bodies must've been injected with some compound to stop the accelerated growth rate, what longterm effects does that have on other bodily systems?
I always thought the main point of the story is that some humans would choose to get some Navussy over saving their entire race.
maybe because their entire race was trash
And then they have Sex with there hair…. Cmon bruh you killed off humanity for this 💀
Jake is a filthy degenerate
I mean, we damn near charged area 51 just for the possibility . . .
Dude really doomed humanity over a blue smurf that has sex with his hair dawg 😭😭😭😭😭
one of the coolest scenes in the move is when the general kicks opens the door and walks outside without air supply and just holds he breath while firing a rifle.
That IS a badass meta moment.
He is a colonel, not a general, but General Quaritch seems to be more fitting
as someone who really sides with the Na'vi; that was indeed, very badass of him - only downside is he shot Sigourney Weaver
SPOILER ALERT.
This comment is interesting now, because they actually kind of did nuke them. When they arrived they completely destroyed everything where they planned to make their base. But they say they actually are here this time mainly because earth is dying and they need a new home. So they probably don't want to just randomly throw nukes at their new home.
@@curious5887 thanks for correcting :) I have got to watch this movie again
Na'vi: We drove back this small military force
Humanity: *THE FLAMES WILL RISE*
_swift purifier spam_
THERE IS ONLY ONE APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION BROTHERS
*EXTERMINARDUS*
My absolute favorite quote from the movie:
"What could we even give to them? Beer? Jeans? Video games?"
Me: Tools, fire, agriculture, medicine, wheel?
They have a hovering rocks. Wheels would be obsolete very quickly.
@@jarosawsobinski1928 Ladders? Better ropes? Flying machines?
@@JakubWojciechowski933
Navi:Who needs flying machines when we have dragons we can fornicate with?
@@jarosawsobinski1928 Weaponized armored flying dragons?
They had tools, fire, and medicine and didn't need agriculture and wheels. Try again.
" whenever i suspect someone is evil, i also consider thr fact they might just be incompetent, and thats usually closer to the truth"
By far the best quote to live by
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance
that's literally usa vs china right now. incompetent, fat, old, decrepit vs young, bright and fit.
If the question is; "Are they evil or stupid?" The answer is almost always "yes".
I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around.
Giant blue smurfs: yay we beat the humans with bows and arrows.
Humans sometimes later: uhhuh okay cool. Here look at this, it's called a thermonuclear warhead.
Or drones. Lots and lots of drones.
All the humans would have really needed to conquer the smurfs was a commanding force that didn't consist of incompetent morons that relied on brute force tactics over competent leadership. Besides, the only reason the aliens won the "war" in the first place was because the plot was under the assumption that the humans would have immediately buggered off after their leader was killed. And instead of getting the more logical and satisfying ending of a larger military force showing up and bombing their dung huts into oblivion the evil Earth forces piss off and the main character gets to bone his overrated alien waifu. How absolutely boring.
With antimatter-based energy production, you can just fling a few stellar pebbles at the moon at relativistic speeds.
Makes harvesting the metal afterwards easier too.
Navi:noooo you can’t just kill all navi with a squad of 10 people
Imperium of man: haha adeptus astartes go brrrr
Even easier and less destructive just make a non nucleic bioweapon. Apparently on the wiki they have no nucleic acid which forms their cells, and just virus that attacks whatever mechanism it is, bingo bongo everythings intact except a bunch of savages.
Can we all agree that the human military tech in Avatar is all just dollar store UNSC gear
Mhhhm-hmmm, darn right it is.
Yeh got a lot of halo vibes from avatar
@@onetwo1392 Looks a lot better than Halo 5 Spartan armor
@@onetwo1392 ya . Always thought that.
Yeah I can see that, still closest thing we will see to halo on the big screen.
Remember, the Navi never signed the Geneva convention.
Geneva convention?
More like:
*Geneva suggestion*
The great to-do list
also..it only applies on humans...soooo...."grabs flamer" LETS GO BURN SOME XENO'S!
so Eywa its avaible to use microlife forms to infect humans? get ride ...
@@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer Let's also use mustard gas brother. For the emperor!
The fact that humanity was on it's last legs did kind of skew the point. If we couldn't get the unobtanium, we were fucked and doomed to die. Not to mention that the Na'vi shot first. We asked nicely and they spit in our face. Well, we had the giant robots and guns, so don't say we didn't try to do it peacefully
HUMANITY FIRST, FUCK NAVI
Exactly! So many people skip over the fact that it is brought up that the humans tried to be peaceful at first and the Na'vi went straight to violence.
Even at the point that the movie starts humanity is still trying to be peaceful, by the time they have decided peace is no longer an option they try non-lethal methods and to push the Na'vi away from them.
Their whole plan is "give these giant blue psychos a reason to leave the area we are in"
if a person kicked down your door and asked you nicely to give up something in your house would you?
If they had “strong arguments” (guns, attack heli and stuff) yea I would
@@lemonboy9208 If someone broke down my door actively dying and I had something they needed, yes I would give it to them
Na'vi: We won! The miners are gone!
Humans: You're about to experience *Nagasaki&Hiroshima **_Planet Edition_*
yes nuke them get a taste of our big booms
But it's a moon though.
lol that made me laugh
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit!"
"Ready! Aim!
EDISSON! WHY ISN'T THE CANNON FIRING!"
"I FORGOT TO CHARGE THE BATTERIES SIR!"
My biggest complaint with the movie was that Jake had one mission, negotiate a fair mining treaty. However, as soon as Neytiri shows up, Jake completely forgets his mission and never once brings it up again. He gets his pony and his flying dinosaur, he gets his alien "strange", and winds up going native and betraying everyone at the base and back on Earth.
He had one thing to do and he fucked that up.
Exactly. He abandoned all of humamity for a piece of alien ass.
@@jackie520 No, so he could walk again. Even when the colonel had his papers ready for the surgery, he chose to go native.
@@jackie520 no he abandoned humans because they deserved it
@@@charissawilkinson9270 first off, your two comments contradict each other. If it was just so he could walk, he could have completed his mission and gotten the surgery.
That being said, his reasons for betraying his species have multiple possible motivations. There was the romantic relationship with the tall blue hottie; there was his desire to walk again, which he was able to do as a Na'vi, and then there's the motivation for revenge against the establishment for discarding him after he was paralyzed in the service of the military. Each reason individually would be a powerful motivator... put them together and it's no wonder that he chose to do what he did.
But that's all beside the point. The real reason is "white man bad, native good." Hollywood's overarching motivation for everything is politically correct environmentalism and social justice, which they laid on so thick in this movie you needed one of those SCBA's to breath in the movie theatre. It's kinda funny that native Americans would be offended by this movie... James Cameron bathes himself and movie-goers in his racial guilt over the settling (conquest?) of America.
@@rildain76 yeah a few natives speaks for the rest of us, dont be mad at me self loathing whites exist, I didnt cause that shit.
Also, there are a couple of things the movie fails to recognize.
1- They wouldn't need Jake to do anything if the RDA would opt for shaft mining instead of pit mining, which they obviously had the tech to do.
2- Any civilization that has the capacity for near relativistic speeds will likely have the tech to no longer need fossil fuels, like nuclear fusion or at least miniaturized nuclear fission. The Earth and any tech they employ shouldn't be power by fossil fuels which would be costly to ship to Pandora.
3- Early in the movie it mentions that Pandora is smaller than Earth and has less gravity. Although the Na'avi were taller, they should be weaker than an Earth-born human who grew up in stronger gravity.
4- Because of the difficulty of getting support from the Earth, the colonists of Pandora would need the support and friendship from the local population. So, instead of killing them all, the humans would need to learn to coexist so they could survive and would be far more proactive than is even shown in developing their relationship with the local population.
All in all, this movie is simply James Cameron's attempt to rewrite the history of colonization but exposes his own severe lack of understanding of the subject. He deifies primitavism, forgetting that modernity has made his whole career possible. I'm sorry, but I like AC, modern medicine, and streets not reeking of manure.
Humanity is a young race that yearns for greatness. We're just going through our awkward adolescence. We won't always be stuck in this same place. We will advance beyond this.
Cameron just reduced us to parasites. Smh
if they had so much antimatter then they could use tiny and mostly safe amounts of antimatter for power generation
Also i highly agree with point 3 humans vs navi would be dwarves vs elves and I imagine a human just carrying a navi like a barbell squat
you're telling me, edwin, that i could beat the shit out of a full grown blue monkey? THATS BLOODY AWESOME!
I mean, we know that now. But yeah, if they just went the diplomatic route, they could’ve gotten all the Unobtanium they needed.
@@JacksonVoetBut nah, really have to make human the stupidest and meanest thing in the movie just to make the plot even slightly viable
As neil degrasse tyson say it..
"If we became too inteligent enough and advance that we can teraform other planet, why not teraform earth to become earth again.."
Because that would require resources that are no longer abundant enough on Earth.
While a possibility in the _far_ longterm, terraforming is not viable for even interplanetary settlement; there is a lot that goes into a biosphere and creating a stable one from scratch takes both the time to just get the full set of organisms in place and the time to balance them all sustainably. Just because a planet can be colonized quickly does not mean it can be terraformed quickly, and on top of that the energy required to purify an atmosphere with too much of a fatal chemical in it is far more than that required to simply dump some new chemicals into a shortage (as if it were that easy to begin with).
@@LepidoliteMica I think Horizon: Zero Dawn has a realistic take on terraforming.
Because no Earth can sustain 20+ billion humans.
This is like a perpetual motion which is IMPOSSIBLE. you can't use the same resources on the same dying to planet to save it.
The humans lost because they didn’t send in The Death Korps of Krieg.
If brute force doesn’t work, you aren’t using enough.
The fools tried to use over-complicated combined arms operations tactics. Any true servant of the Emperor knows that shovel-armed human wave attacks trump those e'ry time.
humans lost cus they did not send StormTroopers or Mandalorians
Hoàng Nguyên the emperor protects not who goes on free helicopter rides
I would've thought the Catachan Jungle Fighters would be better equipped than the Death Corps. It would be a tiptoe through the tulips for them.
Dude.. the catachan? Lol are they a joke to you?
Na'vi: yay we won! now they'll never fight us again!
Humanity 100 years later: *y'all ever heard of a little thing called xenocide*
Why wait 100 years though?
@@SalumarLP space distance probably?
yeah if i where the rda ceo id ship as many antimatter and cobalt salted gigaton hydrogen bombs there as my ship could carry and erradicate every single lifeform on that rock with all consuming radioactive fire.
Pandora just pulled a pearl harbor...
Mfw space injuns get to meet the Gestapo.
“It is an undeniable, and may I say fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable.”
Avatar 2
Navi: the sky people returned...
Sky people: yes we returned with nukes☢...
The end...
@TomeOfBattle Sky people: yes we returned with navicoronavirus .
kill all tall smurfs . leaving all ecosystem intact .
Navi "We drop rocks on them"
Humans: "Hey that's not a bad idea!"
@@bill8711 sky people: to navi your on your own...
@TomeOfBattle
Nukes are chemical weapons
Literally make a Death Star and just obliterate the shit out of the smurfs
lol i remember my main thought after watching the film
'uhhh... why are they celebrating, they just pissed off a civilization with weaponry 100x more advanced than theirs. the sequel can't be anything but a complete massacre of these people.'
What gives the humans the right to mine anything there? Again - golden rule - wouldn't we view it as "evil" if some alien force did the same to us? etc.
It is necessary to pollute everything to the point of environmental destruction as long as the humans are still the good guys.
@@adeimantusglaucon9732 Humanity takes their shit or all humanity dies. The moral is "I'm starving and you look tasty". Humanity tried peaceful coexistence and it failed so the Navi are gonna get Rolling Thunder'd when the cavalry shows up.
Adeimantus Glaucon They literally only wanted to mine a fucking rock that the na vi didn’t even use. And it could be found anywhere but noooooo
Adeimantus Glaucon The Golden rule IMO only applies to other humans
Not to mention that the protagonist never actually tried to accomplish his job in establishing negotiations about mining with the Navi - he was too busy falling in love. The avatar program was created to try to avoid conflict, not to create it. While he was having the time of his life on the personal level, the time for using negotiation to avoid conflict was being wasted. Imagine if he had instead helped negotiate peaceful co-existence, before things went bad...
Humans did not need to move en mass to the inhospitable Pandora, they just needed ores, and potentially could have traded other goods and services, which would have saved not only lives on both sides, but would have been cheaper than war and thus please even cold hearted bean counters.
Humans would have wiped them out all the same.
@@paulbeen459 Humans in this fictional story could have wiped them out from day one, but didn't, instead investing in schools, and then in the avatar technology, specifically attempting a peaceful co-existence. Humans needed the mineral (in small quantities which could be shipped via expensive interstellar transport), but did not need the planet or it's life.
Since it's fiction, there is no "true" or "false" answer to your assertion. Your assertion is what in the real world would be called a counter-factual, the path one can only speculate upon since it's not the factual path our history followed; in a fictional universe, this 'alternate history' is even more vague - the author could have written in any other way one can name.
But it's more logically consistent with the fictional universe as presented so far, for humans to co-exist with the Navi.
I think that in essence you are saying that if you had written the story, your humans would have wiped our your Navi, and we cannot deny that.
Bruh. They wasnt going to move. He knew that pretty much off rip.
@@zephsmith3499 they only did that because they didn't want the bad press for committing a mass genocide
@@zephsmith3499 Funny how the opposite of that happened innit?
The biggest problem I had with Avatar wasn’t the Dancing with the wolves in space storyline (although that did make me roll my eyes quite a few times) or the Anti-Humanity theme (it didn’t even feel THAT Anti-Human upon rewatching it, more Human critical then anything) it was the naive idealization of Nature and severe Vilification of Science and Technology, many people have gotten the idea in their heads that Mother Nature is beautiful and fair and that we need to live in Harmony and Balance with her when in reality “Harmony” and “Balance” are Human concepts and Mother Nature is an ugly and mean and hateful bitch who’s only goal is to weed out those she deems “unfit” to survive (and usually they’re the ones who deserve to survive the most), but Technology let’s us spit in her face and say “fuck you bitch! We’re doing what we want from now on.” and this movie pretty much says that we should give that up in favor of going back to living as Hunter-Gatherers who rarely live to 20 and have to have 10+ kids because most of them will die before they reach walking age, fuck that I would rather put up with Climate Change.
- "(it didn’t even feel THAT Anti-Human upon rewatching it, more Human critical then anything)"
I know right? I'm tired as hell of the "HUmaNiTy bAd!!!" narrative, but Avatar (in the MANY times i've rewatched it) *never* gave me that vibe.
They are made the bad guys, sure, but they're still the most badass depiction of humans i've seen (while still being fairly grounded, which is why i enjoy it), and it doesn't feel like some blatant political message. (they're simply the bad guys of the movie)
Don't even get me started on the second movie though... It took every mistake the first DIDN'T make and doubled down on them... Even forced in an evil white guy (with a good brown assistant) the anti-whites could rub one out to... At least Quaritch was badass and depicted respectfully, and was by no means used as a political or racist statement.
Quaritch is still great though, and his relationship with the wild kid (his son) showed a lot of potential. (and showed some nuance with the kid being scared of an enraged neytiri)
And yeah, the "nature is wonderful" thing has to stop, haha.
I love nature, but nature is chaos. Pure evil, in many cases. These people know nothing about nature.
Just watched a Joe Rogan clip with Forrest Gallante. He said they visited a village in the Amazon and the village asked for medical assistance from the medic in the group
Long story short, they gave a 3 year old kid with bad asthma an inhaler. But after it ran out he would probably wouldn't live to see adulthood
"Mother Nature is beautiful and fair" exactly! mother nature and cruel and savage and that you have to be equally cruel and savage as her to survive it, that's what tree huggers fail to understand
Nature doesnt have a goal. It just is. You can have a fucked up genetic disease that makes you unfit to survive after 30s but if you survive until you reproduce you "won" in the genetic game. Also climate change entails more than just climate. If it changes too much and youre not able to adapt you die so yeah equilibrium is the best choice
That's what those street preachers want us to do, go back to living in huts and praise god all day.
Na'vi: We pushed back the desperate miners. We won!
Humans: Acknowledged. Standby for Titanfall.
Na'vi: O_O
Pretty sure their arrows wont work on that mecha
Dammit ... now you have me wanting to play titanfall again ...
*some pokemon battle music plays*
Pilot: scorch, i choose you! *screams this while pointing at the ground*
*3 seconds later a scorch titan lands*
Na'vi: IT'S A GUNDAAAAM!!!
Its nuclear warfare bois, time to use the power armor
Here's my theory:
The entire movie was a tech demo
That's no secret. A lot of modern nonsensical movies with good cgi are being made only to put the tech in use
I’d buy it again.
hahaha
For Alita?
It’s not actually a theory- James Cameron pattented all the tech made during the movie and sold it off. He’s not focusing on making movie off the movie itself, rather it’s simply a demonstration of their capabilities. Some movies made today have some piece of James Cameron tech
Avatar 2: It is the year 30798, our Emperor has begun his great crusade to reunite humanity into a single nation.
Avatar 2 :Exterminatus , The Emperor protects
Inquisitor Kryptman need your location
Toxic atmosphere means death guard would be on it, bad news Navi lol
Horus enter the battle, Black stone fortress.
Oh fuck
this entire movie could make for a perfect "no good side in war" if it were actually well-written
Actually agreed, just saying "War is hell" is an understatement.
But the situation in the movie was more about colonising than "war".
But it fails at that because I couldn't figure out Wth the RDA exactly wanted their approach to the Na'vi to be.
@@r7ahtesham885 by well written I mean showing the motives of both parties, not just the BLUEGGERS, justifying both actions, not just the BLUEGGERS for sympathizing with victims of muh colonies
whole movie is a cashgrab for minorities and victimhood """people"""
Yeah but aliens aren't people, you can't have a 'no good side in war' if the enemies are actually legitimately abominations that need to be exterminated. Both sides have to be human.
Jake Sully: This is how it's done. When people are sittin' on shit that you want, you make 'em your enemy. Then you're justified in taking it.
sounds familiar
It kind of seems like that's the way the film series is heading. The Na'vi are getting more and more aggressive and immoral. I believe that in the last film they'll use human weapons against the humans.
Avatar - Navi: We won!
Avatar 2 - Humans: Hold my beer.
we have arrived, and this time we bring EXTERMINATUS
We don't know if it's humans it might be tramsformers
@@twinheado7364 u mean gundam
Na'vi: Yay, we've defeated a mining company!
Earth's military: That's cute.
* hold my atom bomb
*Avatar 2*
Na'vi: "Hey, why there is two suns in the sk..."
Pilot: "So how many of these bombs do we have to drop?"
Co-Pilot: "Just the one. They all live in one tree."
@@mimictear6788
Pilot: god these guys are dumb
@@mimictear6788 Bombardier: "... But we got a second bomb. Just to be sure."
Drop nukes
@@Rebotified Regular bombs are enough, don't want your men to walk in radiation.
Na'vi teaching the final battle of the movie - The largest and most important battle in the history of our people that shall never be rivaled.
Humanity teaching the final battle of the movie - Alright class, today we will learn about the minor skirmish that preceded the full scale invasion of Pandora that led to the lobotomization of 90% of Na'vi to work in the Unobtanium mines.
That's not how lobotomies work. If unobtanium is really humanity's last hope, generally, the military would be leading because thats usually how inter-national relations work. Private companies aren't allowed to controlled certain markets that could lead to military intervention. Either the military attacks in the movie are illegal and no one is gonna be sending more forces or there is no proper military to send in the first place and that physical forces sent was the most that could be sent.
@@noconaroubideaux9423 Its never expressly stated, and forgive me if I'm wrong I've only ever seen the movie so if there's comics or books that clarify my apologies, that the RDA is just a company. Even now groups like Amazon have amassed an immense power in our day to day lives to the point that they could easily evolve to being treated like nation states. And the lobotomy thing was a quick joke about the removal of the Navi's free will.
It wouldn't be that hard to selectively glass the resource nodes and mine the unobtanium wearing exosuits.
Brave of you to assume that humans have the capability to commence a "full scale invasion" of another planet
@@paulzuk1468 My choice of words was more so to express the fact that by human standards this "conflict" wasn't very large. My apologies for not being more specific.
The moral of this story from the perspective you could say, is that romanticism of the primitive can be dangerous.
Navi: We pushed back the miners. We won the war.
Human: Sending in Astartes drop pods.
"ODST, ready to drop!"
"You want a piece of me boy?"
"Reactor online, sensors online, weapons online. All systems nominal."
"Rebel one, standing by!"
"Come on you apes, you want to live forever?"
"RIP AND TEAR"
Unto the fires of battle! Unto the anvil of war!
"we defeated a mining corporation"
Humanity:"come at me bitch!"(sends actual military force,ready to die for their people instead of their salary)
For the EMPEROR!! Burn THE GALAXY!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Purging with my kin~
Navi: we won
USA: you should read japanese history
Ah shit now we will have 2 place that making Anime
@@Rat_Fบcker and hentai
That would defeat the entire point of going to there
God emperor Of mankind would make it easier to get some rocks. Then we only need radiation suits.
@@TheMacgyver3441 the Death korps of krieg would be ideal
The sequel no-one will ever make is that after the RDA were ousted from Pandora, the military shows up and bombs the planet to ash.
Because if Unobtanium was as important as it's stated in the movie, that conflict would not have ended where the movie did.
The conflict didn’t end it’s just that the forces they had in place were not powerful enough so they were sent home. Don’t forget that it takes about half a decade to go there so I’m pretty sure a larger and more organized force is on its way.
Maybe there are hippie activists on Earth sabotaging the RDA.
@@charlespuruncajas9663 No... Hippies invade and trash the place!
That wouldn’t be smart and here’s the reason you really think dropping a nuke would solve the problem Good idea if you wanna risk contaminating the mineral you were after you idiot it’s very valuable to them and I don’t think they’re even going to risk that
@@mitchellneuhoff9946 a bio weapon
When I first watched Avatar, I never understood why I was expected to cheer for the Navi, the entire reason that we had even bothered contacting the Navi was for the survival of the entire human race. When the humans were all leaving to board their ships and go home, everyone was supposed to be glad that the Navi survived against the evils of man, but I was sitting their confused, thinking "The entire race is going to die and you want me to be happy?" It never made sense.
It doesnt
Well there are 20bil humans
The people who made this movie firmly believe that there is no value in the human condition and the best thing we can do for the universe is die. These are the same people that took Star trek, a story about humanity overcoming its shortcomings and elevating themselves as a people, and made it about how humans be evil. I can't stand these kinds of films because they lack nuance and are as subtle as a machete to the face.
@@dudesomebody13 the avatar movies reveal that the Na'vi share the human condition. They're exactly like us as a people in every way, as far as the shared internality of personhood goes - except they also have a relationship to an actually existing planetary superconsciousness. The point is that we could be Na'vi if we wanted. We don't even need Eywa to do it, all you have to do is internalize the ideology presented, which is actually based on material principles.
@@Filollisejmina you dont understand
*Na'vi:* No Humans allowed!
*Imperium of Man:* I see we're at a disagreement...
Hand hovers over 'Exterminatus' button.
Lets be xenophobic, its really in this year...
Xenomorphs are living things too.
imperium wouldn't have sent few thousands of men but few billions, if they have difficulties just Exterminatus and then mine the world.
@@itespablade1688 This guy knows what's up.
Navi: We Won
Humans after some years: Nuke 'em boys
Who needs nukes when you have space Marines?
Who need nuke If you have Napalm?
Since it is set in 22nd century, plastic would have been lighter and stronger than steel and add with matrix composite, you'll get light enough body armor resistant to their arrow's kinetic energy while pulse weapons shoots caseless ammo and have higher capacity. If those humans were Colonial Marines, the war will be even shorter.
Yeah everyone here is right.
E X T E R M I N A T U S.
who needs nukes if you can deflect an asteroid ?
Imperium of man appreciates your loyalty to mankind , citizen.
PURGE THE XENOS BATTLEBROTHER
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!!
Ah... just as planned
*AVE IMPERATOR*
[ L A U G H S I N E X T E R M I N A T U S ]
Humanity first boys
Na'vi: yes! We sent the humans back!
Agent orange and napalm: allow us to introduce ourselves
1960’s, meet the 22nd century
Scientists believe that the cures for many diseases like cancer and alzhrimers could be found in the DNA of rainforest species. Agent orange, and the degradation of ecosystems in general, could have set us back centuries in medical science. Who knows what benefits to humanity could be found in the DNA of aliens. "Humanity first" is best achieved by preserving life wherever found, "purging xenos" hurts us much more than it helps, especially if they don't have the capacity to wage war on our home planet.
Whos agent orange?
@@poweringaccounttermination4026 you should not ask who... but what
@@captnsnackbeard6898 agent orange is not person?
Some blue aliens: Finally. We beat the humans!!!
Something written in the sky: The tutorial level is complete
Blue Aliens: ...
And back on earth written in the sky "test to see if humans are worthy of joining advanced galactic society of thousands of alien species results in failure. We could've solved all your problems but now we're going to isolate you in your solar system." Just like the space cash episode of South Park.
Next up : us kriegsmen siege the planet and turn it into a nuclear and gassed wasteland
@@throatbruise all because some bunch incompetent corporate hacks couldn't get their greed under control...
@@throatbruise Learn to take a joke nerd
Bro, I don't care ... I just want the number of Avatars to increase to the level of humans and have them go to war with humans. It will be fun enjoy the war
Balance above all. War as a last resort. avoid it if we can. Start it if we must. End it if we can.
Ooh, nice!
But to alien exterminate on sight ,Balance is staked for the benefit of kin above all else.
To quote a wise man: "...fighting not good. But if must fight... win."
Agreed
I have heard some say the most ethical war is the quickest. So if you have to go to war, go in dominate your opponent, then come to a peaceful agreement.
The amount of effort and resources the RDA put into communicating with the Navi and reaching a peaceful resolution is insane.
They built 100% functional Navi bodies and developed technology to remote control them. Keep in mind that even their mechs needed to be controlled by an actual human inside, despite that being very dangerous, so contorlling the Navi bodies was likely an extremely new and expensive technology.
Humanity was basically dying, and they still invested so much for the comfort of an alien species. A species that instantly started killing them as soon as humans did something unusual to them.
Na'vi: Yay the sky people are gone!
Commander Shepard: We don't know how many marines they have killed, dozens, hundreds, it's not important. What matters is this, NOT ONE MORE!
The idea that commander Shepard would endorse a private company genociding native people offense me.
Like really, if human can only find the mineral there, the military would be in charge of the place, not a private corporation. As if humanity would let one company be in charge of all the oil in the world. Obviously it's not the only source, just the richest source. .
Also energy crisis really? They have fucking anti-matter and nuclear fusion for power. Crisis my asses. More like mining super oil is cheaper than actually build shit.
The plot and conclusion of the movie was weak, but the amount of 'and human totally shoud massacre the barbarian' HFY butthurt over what amount to greedy corporation trying to genocide native for profit and fail surprise me.
Get the hell out of here traitor.
@@Zergking100 I apology for not conflating a fictional humanity that is either too stupid or wasteful with the actual humanity I am a part of. I cannot betray something I was not a part of or ally of.
They have fucking anti-matter. If there is an energy crisis that converting matter to energy 1-1 cannot solve, Unobtainium would not save them. Nothing generate more energy than their mass converted into energy.
@@Miikudo I identify myself as a human of the real world, not a fictional one like the idiots in a movie I watched for fun called Avatar. Sorry for not conflating reality and fiction.
Now, granted, one can sympathize or project themselves into a fictional humanity, but it's by no mean a requirement or obligation. If you read/watch enough fiction, you'd have realized how many fictional mankinds were evil POS or terminal stupid. It's just not possible to identify with such thing.
P.S: Also it's not 'humanity'. It's just a corporation. It's not existential crisis, just 'I have to be content with fusion and anti-matter powerplants'.
@@Riverlia Remember, too, that the antimatter reactors aren't actually energy *sources* , they're glorified battery packs. The antimatter for them has to be produced using an actual source, meaning that Avatar's humanity not only mastered using antimatter for power and starship propulsion, but have the gargantuan energy generation infrastructure needed to actually deploy this tech on a mass scale.
The idea that they can possibly be having an energy crisis is completely and utterly absurd.
Unless the Navi went through 2 industrial and a couple of IT revolutions, Avatar 2 is going to be Schindler's List in space.
Avatar 2: electric floor boogaloo
Well at least they are both fictional
@@DaytonaRoadster you realise the events in Schindler's List were based off actual events... right?
@Alexis Versa Seek professional help. I get that your life went the wrong direction at one point and youre desperate about finding something to direct your anger onto to give yourself some sort of purpose
we cant make EUV chips its gunna take them a multitude of reforms to get to sillicon at all
Avatar 2 plot in a nutshell:
Na'vi: Yay we finally won and there won't be war anymore! wait why there's two suns in the sk-
Humans: *fortunate son intensifies*
Humans spend enough resources to re-terraform Earth, recycle all their waste and move a major portion of the population offworld to take petty revenge on some stone-age natives in another solar system?
You know...that actually sounds about right.
CNN: "BREAKING. A small skirmish erupted on the planet of Pandora. The local Navi population has refused any diplomatic discussions."
CNN 2 days later: "BREAKING. Navi defeated. Unobtanium mining set to begin in 1 month. "
Japan: First time?
OP4Shephard humans:rides of Valkyrie intensifies
Na,vi:looks like humans oh shit AIRCAV
i love the smell of strontium in the morning
I side with the RDA every time.
I love how HISHE called this film out over how the ending would've been less bloody if the main negotiator wasn't a horny and procrastinating jackass and actually did his job and engaged in negotiation with them.
He was convinced there was absolutely nothing he could've possibly offered them *in exchange for their ancestral home* .
It was perfectly logical for him to procrastinate at that point. That's how actual people act.
@@paulzuk1468 Really...all the tech and trade goods humanity has and you think there's NOTHING we could've given them for mineral rights?
@@paulzuk1468 and therefore he didnt even tried but went straight to War? cool...
Dope name and pp
@@ottersirotten4290 First, he didn't "go straight to war". If you somehow managed to miss it, it was the *RDA* that started slaughtering civilians. They went to war, Jake just switched sides.
Second, yes, he "didn't even try" (he actually tried really hard, hence the despair we see in that video log where he concludes there's nothing he can offer them) because he knew that admitting to his real task without having a proposal the Omaticaya could accept would make them cast him out, and he didn't want to be cast out. But he also knew what would happen if he didn't, and had no idea what to do.
He was caught in between a rock and a hard place, with no way out, and it's a perfectly natural human reaction to withdraw and run away from the problem. It was 100% fitting the character *and* the stage of the hero's journey he was at.
Na'vi: I'm glad we don't have to fight anyone now
Computers:
*SLIPSPACE RUPTURE DETECTED*
Navi: ah shit here we go again
Also nice halo reference there, maybe
Fabulous Falcon I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want to attract the covenant to that would you really want them to know how to make a planet that can literally be instinctually made the hate humans
"What is it more humans?"
Worse!
“All cruisers fire at will, burn their mongrel flesh.”
Avatar 2 in a nutshell: In the name of the God Emperor of Mankind, I hereby declare exterminatus on this planet. The Emperor protects.
Consider this comment fortyfied!
@@captaintitus3840 By the throne! Its the one and only Rogal Dorn^^
For The Emperor and Dorn, we will endure!
FORTIFY!!
The emperor is cringe
Purge the filthy xenos scum. All hail the god emperor.
One thing that always stuck in my head when watching this movie is that it appears to be set in the near future where humans are finally colonizing the stars, that was always a happy thought to me while watching this.
True, definitely my favorite part too, i always hoped i’ll be alive when it finally happens
Colonizing the stars but also on the brink of extinction...still wish I get to live to see it though.
It shouldn't. Humanity is colonizing the stars... to devour them. To repeat what happened on Earth. If these humans are allowed to continue, they will consume everything.
It's curious that this story is like almost all "alien invasion" movies where humans win the aliens with the help of an alien. Man of Steel, Transformers, Thor, etc
In Superman's case, I'd say it's different because Clark was raised by humans as a human and he identifies as a human more or less. So it makes more sense in Superman's case because he is Human before he is Kryptonian.
@@JonSnow-yr1hn He is still an alien. His human ideals won't change his DNA.
Yea I dont really see humans as the good guys in this... we messed up our own planet... now we gotta take over this new one with sentient life already living on it, sure they aren't super advanced, but they have their own cultures and even today on earth we have relatively primitive groups of people living in places like the Amazon.... also... could they not have found the mineral on any of the other billions of planets or meteors without life on them? And if aliens just showed up on earth and said they needed literally every ounce of gold we had (or whatever else) to save their planet... people would go batshit... so nah I dont think we're supposed to be good guys in this
Jay Bee You assume that they would find Unobtainium on those other planets, or moons, or asteroids. How do you know they would? Why would the company risk the lives of the entire human species on the slim-to-none chance that they MIGHT find other sources of this incredibly rare resource, when they have an enormous source for it already found? They tried negotiating with the Pantorans, but the natives weren’t willing to do so in good faith and sparked the conflict. As far as mining a planet with sentient life on it, I personally don’t really count the Pantorans. They were never going to become more than they were in the film, and they would never evolve any further. Eywa would make sure of it. Are they sentient? Technically. But they were never going to do anything with that sentience. If you have a shovel, but never use it, then you may as well not have a shovel at all.
In priorities, this is probably where we definitely differ, it I absolutely put the survival of the humans above that of the Pantorans. And that’s assuming that the Pantorans would necessarily have to all die for humans to get the Unobtainium, which is never established, or actually argued. There’s also the numbers game. Which should be saved, assuming that the Pantorans would need to be wiped out: a few million, or several billion?
@@a_channel2545 you ask how I know they would find unobtainium on one of the countless other planets, stars, meteors or comets in our universe... no clue... but for them to be able to find it on Pandora they obviously have a way to track and find it...
But how do you know Pandorans wouldnt evolve on their own? Its taken humans millions of years to get to the point were at now and we have no connection to our surroundings or other living creatures... Pandorans... they're connected to all life on their planet... they seem to be a primitive form of a hivemind... like the collectors in Mass Effect or the zerg in Starcraft... a bunch of different species collectively working together to benefit all life under their Overmind, Eywa... that itself shows they are much more unified than humans could ever be... in fact us invading them brought them together even more... you bring up the point about shovels but they are already using complex tools... and they accept Jake and all the things he brings as well... they are willing to learn and adapt... that's evident by the way they started using guns/explosives later on in the movie as well as uniting all the individual tribes to fight off their invaders... and then they prove they aren't savages and are willing to come to peace by letting the invaders return home...
I'm not saying that the company should or shouldn't have invaded... I'm just saying humans in this film... are not in the right... this is like watching War of the Worlds and being like... Welp it's not like humans could ever build machines of war that travel by lightning bolt so why not just give up the planet to the superior alien race... I mean who knows how many of them were relying on their invasion of Earth to go smoothly...
You're assuming Pandorans will never become anything more than they are, but throughout the film there is multiple instances of them getting over their issues to take on new tasks or adapt to new situations...
Brothers.
Bring me the flamers.
The Heavy flamers.
But Brother, I want to use the heavy bolter!
@@ValeTheOwl Me: Slams head violently on exterminatus button.
Purge the heretics
Ad victorium
Brenden Campbell AD VICTORIUM
Na'vi: "We won! We forced the humans off the planet-"
Russians: *Playing Katyusha while firing Katyushas*
Americans: *Fortunate Son with Rapid Insertion*
Just thing that Mao killed (unvoluntarily) 60 million of chinese eith his great leap foward in 3 years. Now think of killing voluntarily people
I now want to see a joint american russian forces attack the natives of the navi
A joint Russian-American Conquest of Pandora would be a sight to behold
Mercs: *whistles*
WE STORM THE GIANT SMURFS COMRADES
What always confused me is why didn't humans mine in places without the Navi? There's only a few million of them and they live in tribes in specific regions so there probably vast regions of Pandora without any Navi in sight for hundreds of kilometres.
If i remember correctly the specific location they were trying to mine was under the massive tree and the reason why was because their was tons of unobtainium underneath the tree. They were mining in other places but they couldn’t pass up a massive deposit. Plus it was only this single tribe that they wanted to leave, it was pure coincidence that the other mining operations destroyed some random spiritual location. The massive tree wasn’t even one of these spiritual locations, it’s just a random tree the tribe decided to make their home in.
yeah buddy you are intentionally twisting the info from the movies.
1)all flora and fauna on the planet can and need to communicate via those large trees
2) reason been that their roots are the foundation of the planets entire neural network which appears to record and balance the evolution of the planets life
3) that unobtainium was what is responsible for said network
4) destroy network life dies there aswell, so humans would have destroyed 2 planets so they could have fancier ships, @@assaultghost00
Because James Cameron had no other idea on how to make the humans look bad
I would assume that since unobtanium has such strange properties, the Navi would detect this and over hundreds of years indirectly build their spiritual faith around the unexplainable phenomena associated with unobtanium. This would cause Navi civilization to be generally centered around unobtainum deposits.
Greed, pure greed. And people still excuse it.
The RDA's problem. Not enough bayonets.
"FORWARD FOR THE EMPEROR!"
@Just Jeff heavy flamers
@@commissarghost2452 You can never go wrong with more promethium
Exterminatus
Lets be honest here, the real problem the humans had was the lack of the guidance of the Holy Emperor.
@@commissarghost2452 I will need a Heavy Flamer for this Heresy
Avatar 2 = Earth ship returns and nukes the blue people home from orbit. WIth them all dead they can continue mining operations. The end.
Drop some metal rods and it'll be over.
bruh, its romance movie. it will not go the right way nature intented "survival of the fittest"
@@gameid4646 yeah but we're just saying
@@ivyhealthcare5688 i know bruh.
@@gameid4646 k
Ngl the humans should have landed at the other side of the planet
Good thinking, I was also wondering if they mining there undetectable
They indicated there were tribes all over the planet.
@@davidthompson6099 in the movie I could only see one massive colony but wondering if they pre survey the planet of that tribes wasn't present in a certain area
Pandora is a moon btw
@@lucasahumada6913 That is simply semantics at this point. It's astronomically a moon yes. But is has life and is larger than several planets. For all intents and purposes, it is a planet-like object and for a layman a planet.
Navi: We kick them out!!!
Somewhere on Earth call himself Emperor: Fine, I do it myself...
*Angels Of Death starts playing in the background*
Here's how Avatar 2 starts in my dreams:
Navi: We won, you guys!
*Ride of the Valkyries starts playing*
Colonel Kilgore's great grandson: If I say it's safe to surf on this moon, it is safe to surf on this moon.
*3 hours of machine gun noises*
"Get some!"
"We'll have this place cleared up in a jiffy son, dont you worry!"
Navi don’t surf
Napalm and agent orange.
I'd hate to see their version of the A10 thunderbolt/warthog
All they had were helicopters and two big futuristic AC130s imagine what other craft they have
My man got sum fucc and was immediately ready to betray the human race.
Lol
Before that, he has linked to the alien planet-wide neural network, with processing capacity far surpassing his mind... for all we know, he might've got his mind hacked all the ways to Sunday at this moment.
Gabe Schmidt I mean to be fair his dick probably wasn’t working before having a fully functional body would be enough for me to betray my species if it means I can walk again
@@charlottewalnut3118
True, I can see your point.
But, if he played the game he was gonna have that operation.
He was crippled, he couldnt get any puss
Avatar 2
Navi- We have one
Humans- Okay, so now that we tried your touchy feely way...How about three weeks of orbital bombardment?
*snicker* Ok, this may make me a bad person, but my thought went:
Diplomat: "Alright, we're sorry. We shouldn't have tried to chop down your tree with machine guns. Here, have some blankets as repayment."
@@thebighurt2495 dude...too soon :-)
But you know what...you are kind of right... I mean if we can replicate their bodies I am sure that creating a virus which will affect them and only them would not be hard. And we would still have very nice planet for our miners to work on.
And I just want to point out that there is one person who would be responsible for their deaths...Jake. I want you all to consider that during his time with the Navi he never and I mean not once tried to explain why humans are there and that maybe they could move their tribe a bit to allow mining. His mission was to establish contact and he did...nothing.
Neutron bombs the place, from high orbit.....
Avatar 2 should begin with said bombardment, with that corperate guy watching from his ship in high orbit.
Three weeks? Try three months, it's a planetary siege bombardment, it's not like the unubtainiem is going any where, scorched earth that shit then mine a dead rock, easy, not to mention, one jungle rock among the stars, probably means many more, not losing much except the aywa thing, which scientifically is significant in a "what the fack is that and where did come from" kind of way, after all, humans lost the initial battle due to aywa, literally psychic connection to animals. Just think about how useful such a power weaponized could be, truely the greatest prize was not the minerals. Humans definitely need to go back and conquer aywa, could very well be the secret to ever lasting survival.
I honestly consider both sides shades of grey, the humans are desperate, while Aiwa and the Na'vi just want to take care of themselves and their environment and are fighting against a threat invading their ecosystems
it's a grey for ppl not humans. But for humans it's white bro we gotta win or else die 😭
@@vrrooooommmm123 Nah, it is black for humans. Extinction doesn't justify genocide of another intelligent species.
Exactly this, but the problem is that the movie is presented in black and white while expecting you to buy into it.
@💧🐍 apparently the 3rd movie will be about good humans and bad na'vi
Na'vi in general will be fine it's the Omaticaya (forest people) who are antagonizing the humans and harbouring that treasonous Jake Sully who are looking to escalate this conflict into something global.
Avatar 2: Orbital Bombardment, collect rocks. THE END
Covert Ranz
In either legends or canon,the Empire had this thing called the World Devastator,which used strong magnets to rip apart a planet to collect resources.Theoretically,the Humans had enough technology to make something like that.
Dam
Just glass the planet
@@covertranz1240 it's damn 🧐
cralix thegameking
>Just glass the planet.
What?
The humans are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers.
Lmao
Episode IV Star Wars quote about Tuskan Raiders..... Will you be my friend?
and Pissed off
Jake actually doomed the Navi to genocide anyway, the goddamn Earth fleet is gonna come in full force and not extend a hand for diplomacy this time
nah, just orbital cannon the planet
Na'vi : We have beaten back the sky people, their millions of warriors are dead, although we have suffered too many losses, we may never recover-
Commissar: Send in the next wave, With bayonets affixed.
*Interim Coalition of Governance:* (Sends the green ships to eliminate both opposing parties without the need of time travel for now.)
Krieg guardsman: Happy gas mask noises
Guardsmen: Aye aye sir good to go
Salamanders: preparing for deep strike
Inquisitors: *Prepares exterminatus*
Something I never understood was why humanity didn't just nuke the planet to oblivion. All humanity needs is the resources of the planet not the life.
The RDA is a private company though, not a government affiliate. Meaning, they are given colonization protocols to obey and to cooperate with other terms.
Geneva Conventions, probably.
@@neckbeardneet The Avatarians aren't human nor is this Earth, so Geneva Conventions do not apply
@@LoliPolice-bf7mw I like your way of thinking.
Avatar 2: A planet killing asteroid is heading for Pandora. Eywa: we love the sky people, please come back.
that would actually be a good concept for a sequel. Not a literal meteor falling to the planet, but some situation in which navis need the help of human tech to survive.
@@monsterclown4455 That would go against the not-so-subtle narrative preached by the movie.
@@ComicGladiator mood... The message it pushes through is way too obvious... Not even trying to nuance within the movie by showing both parties' motives for conflict. It's just "humans bad, natives good" space imperialism.
@@monsterclown4455 If anything hollywood has taught me till now, is all humans are evil. Only the actors are good people lol
XD, ok this one got me
Honestly,I think the main reason the humans lost in the first place was because the Navi had plot armor. Without it, they would have been wiped out.
Right bout that and the nature helped them if it hadn't they most definitely would have won
@Joseph Martinez in reality super sonic jets with missiles travelling 15x the speed of sound that can strike from kilometres away would wipe out any dragons
@@MagikarpMan where the Navi and humans fought at the end you couldn’t bring specialized weapons bc of the flux vortex surrounding the area. This would mean that somebody breaking the sound barrier would be “traveling blind” with no equipment to guide or aid them.
@@unknown_individual7050 so large ordinance still work they would just be lacking guidance. Meaning we could resort to ww2 style bombing but with alot more powerful ordinance. Honestly that would be worse for the navi since it would do a lot more overall damage than precision strikes
@@MagikarpMan They would not work in pandora floating island with its huge magnetic camps.
9:10 you've left out two distinct human advantages. Range and endurance. No animal can throw as far or as accurate as we can, and neither can any animal run as far cause we have the most efficient cooling system in the animal kingdom.
When your mining outpost getting attack
Me, an intelectual : *Send the ODST*
That's a little overkill
Yeah just do a bit of orbital bombardment
Spartans II😎
oh, really.... you're an "intelectual"
Bluenix _Indo yes send in the ODST, sending the space marines will be a waste of time.
The emperor smiles at your accomplishments
6:40 "This meant the strong young males could chose whatever women they wanted to be with."
Something tells me the feminist wouldn't be too happy with that one.
What people don't realize is living off the land, hunting and gathering... it was not our destiny to remain that way. When people get all upity about what humanity did to the Indians you have to sit back and think, was the answer living in tribes, being decimated by drought, watching wolves eat your kids, watching other tribes attack and canibalize your people the answer? That was Indian life pre colonization.
Feminist secretly desire douchebag d*ck
Lmao what? Any normal human person would have a problem with turning a woman into a reward for being strong.
@@labradude R/Whoosh
@@mosesp5908 Speak for yourself
Na'vi: we won! the evil humans are gone!
also Na'vi: why do i hear 4 different boss songs?
brem - haha nice 1
Reference?
How far would I go? I would glass Pandora from Orbit and take the Unobtanium from it's lifeless husk of a shell. Don't get me wrong, if I had the luxury of time, I would try the peaceful route, but in a literal "if we don't get it we go extinct" situation - there would be no room for mercy.
I'd go medieval, kill a few hundred people and heads of houses before negotiating and one slip up or breach of contract fight is on
Anndd that's why your a soulless person if you think so I mean there is nothing else to live for and why do we need to exist anyway plus we as humans would be considered evil at that point for taking and destroying planets and what then we will still go all extinct since if we decide to do it to every last planet so their is no use humans like us won't live if there are no more planet's like I said we will have nothing left humans like us are greedy and only think for our selfs death shouldn't be feared at all anyway if we become extinct we become extinct we just need to accept that faith is faith
What you have to understand is that humanity in the Avatar universe isn't humanity. It is a failed species that has abandoned the principles which define how a human should live. Nations have been destroyed. Nature has been destroyed. All people live in pods (like the one we see Jake in) and spend their time drinking themselves to death. It is an ugly globalist Jewish globohomo dystopia, the kind that real world elites dream of. Jake betraying the corrupted remnants of humanity to embrace a pure and decent life with a traditional and unsullied (no pun intended) species was the most logical and noble act anyone could perform.
How about thinking of creative ways of mining the unobtanium without killing the natives?...Or if not then how about trying to move most of the human race to another planet I know its impossible to move 12 billion people. But I'd do anything not to fuck over the innocent natives who did nothing wrong. If humans were too fucking stupid & greedy to stop killing the earth then they deserve to go extinct. Because even if the unobtanium save the earth for a little bit another apocalyptic even is bound to come back in time...Id personally rather die then do the dishonorable thing fuck survival if humans are that much of a failed stupid species.
how about not getting into such a situation in the first place?
Avatar 2: Tungstun Rods from God
SEND THE GOD ROD!!!!
Tungsten, but ok.
@@NateThe_Great24 Wrong spelling, right idea. LOL
@ccghidorah1
Yep, let's see the Na'vi use their bows against ships in orbit. =P
Why would you need to make and bring tungstun rod from earth while there are countless rock in the space. The only worry is your outpost may also be blast away if the rock you picked is too big...
In the grand scheme of things the RDA was incredibly restrained and even while under attack set up schools and tried diplomacy first before it escalated.
Never mind they were operating under the assumption they had the right to be there in the first place
@@keithziegler8881 Well, they do. Attacking the tree was a HUGE d*ck move, but there's nothing objectively wrong with humans being on the planet.
@@NateThe_Great24 incorrect, being on the planet without the Na'vi consent is no different than someone coming into your house without YOUR consent
@@keithziegler8881 Ok, but the RDA _wasn't_ "in their house", they were occupying *unsettled land.* They purposely sat themselves down in a place that would minimize hostile contact with the Na'Vi. If they had begun with destroying the tree and harvesting the unobtanium beneath, (before exhausting other, more peaceful options,) then their actions could be considered on-par with those of Christopher Columbus. (Who was tried for his crimes after his return to Spain.)
@@keithziegler8881 Did the Navi rule the planet? Was there a worldwide government to whom the humans could apply for consent to land on the planet? No? Then, if there was no one to ask, no proper avenue for the acquisition of consent, no consent is needed. If someone wants to enter my house, there is a proper way; it's called a doorbell, or a knock on the door. Same thing for entry into a country - you apply for permission. In the case of the Navi, they had NO planetary authority, not even a local one. So being there violated no "property rights", since they didn't believe in such things anyway.
And the humans tried the nice approach, they tried to integrate with them, they tried to teach them, etc. But the Navi were insistent on their xenophobic hostility, and so...in essence...they started it.
With that advance technology and the ability to travel through space... You would think they could just dig a hole under the forest and not deal with the Na'vi
Plot armour
It would be complicated and expensive ; Why would the company want to bother, if they thought they could just exterminate the locals if the need ever arose?
People prefer to kill rather than to spend money on other solutions
@paulzuk1468
What's more expensive?
A war that costs human lives that have families so the company and government will have to pay money to like retirement pay or service pay. And all the expensive military trinkets and ships.
Or
Just dig a fkin hole.
Open pit mining is fairly simple. Shaft mining is not so simple. There's a lot of willful blindness on the technical side of anything.
If I’m being honest, I was always rooting for the colonel
Me too XD
Won me over with the mech suits and helicopters
same
You know what would make Avatar's story a lot cooler, and move it away from being just Space-Ferngully?
Have humanity realize we never really understood the symbiotic, controlling nature of Eywa and its relationship to the rest of Pandora's ecosystem. Not in an environmentalism-messaging way, but that Eywa isn't just a regulating system, but actively intelligent - and now it knows about us. In that scenario, the Avatar system means we were playing a *MUCH* more dangerous game than we realized.
Humans use Avatars by way of a psionic link keyed between that particular human and that particular cloned Na'vi body. If Eywa does something similar with the Na'vi, then maybe the big blue cat-people aren't really a species of individuals the way humanity is, but are closer to semi-independent meat-puppets of Eywa. That could lead to some really interesting horror and paranoia-fueled thrillers as not the Na'vi, but _Eywa,_ a telepathic alien biological computer, starts trying to infiltrate the RDA and humanity in general - by using the same connection _we_ use to control our Avatars.
Oh, that foot patrol that surprised the watch officer by returning after losing contact? That survey team that Search-And-Rescue picked up after their transport went down? That listening post that missed a routine check-in, and claimed a radio malfunction the next day? Physically they're fine - Medical cleared them to return to duty - but I dunno, there's been something just kind of "off" about those guys ever since they got back...
You're a fucking genious. This needed to be Aliens, not as people say fern gully
That's gold!!
Ferngully was a good movie though and avoids some of these criticisms. Also rapping bat.
@@angeliparraguirre7329 Well when your rapping bat is Robin Williams it makes everything better.
Eywa reminds me a little of SCP 3003.
If Jake Committed To His Mission
Jake: “we need your unobtainium but also peace.”
Blue Aliens: “oh you just want some rocks that are completely useless to us and y’all will leave?”
Jake: “yup”
Blue Aliens: “k”
THE END
Lol
Haha *rolls credits*
"Avatar is filmed in front of a live studio audience"
Like mining is that easy. If you've seen the movie or saw any kinds of mining activities irl you'd know that mining requires clearing the land, sometimes pushing out the native populace, destroying the surrounding environment. And if you think the fictional RDA would wanna pay for those costs, you're just extremely naive.
If that happened,There would be no story.
Avatar:
Some dude chose to let the earth die ONLY because he had sex with 12ft tall blue Zoe Saldana.
Weird times where high Treason is gloryfied
EsoJ H that pussy got be super bomb dou, think about it.
We chose to let the earth die.
@@redshifted8790 Actually humanity started a Expedition to save Humanity and one Traitor decided YOLO Alienpussy is more important than Humanity
No-one can resist the alien coochie.
I was very disappointed when I realised that I was the only watching the film and thinking that the "Protagonist" was an alien shagging traitor.
He'll get what he deserves, living with those disgustimg xenos
@@foxhound963 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘲𝘶𝘪𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 t𝘰 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯.
Death to the exenos flesh apostate of a Sully shiter ,and his fuckboat of smurfs
I agree that i thought this even as a child.
Adrian Hera the aliens in Independence Day thought the same.😂
Bonus point: Human stuff is cool
"I mean, have you seen how cool is the Valkyrie shuttle?"
Na'vi: Haha we won against a superiour race which has the technology to reach our planet and which we can do nothing about if they return!
*Four Years Later*
Na'vi 1: That's a weird looking bird up in the sky there isn't it?
Na'vi 2: and it looks like there's some sort of clouds falling off of it.
Na'vi 3: Wonder what it is...
Human spaceship: Good morning Pandora! For todays forecast it seems to be raining *checks gas tank meter* chlorine gas.
Good one man 👏
Edit: first one lucky me.
I prefer napalm.
*Napalms your neighborhood* How do you like it now?
When they called the German Space Units
It's not against the Rules of War if a) They're not human, and b) They're not advanced enough to have developed gunpowder.
"Suffer not the alien, the mutant or the heretic." Imperium of Man
@@deathkorpsinfantryman1898 FOR THE EMPEROR!
Quoting video games and forming opinions based on them shows your lack of intelligence. All scientists and legitimate sci fi fans are laughing at how willing you are to proclaim your half baked perspective. I've been a hard core gamer since the NES came out, but you sir are a fool
@@deathkorpsinfantryman1898 Lots of intelligent people do, and they also care about what you think. Only idiots get angry and dismiss the thoughts of others.
@@deathkorpsinfantryman1898 What I'm arguing is that encouraging bigotry and genocide isn't harmless fun, and that this video and people who agree with it are enforcing harmful thought patterns that have real world consequences. Applying your mind to sci fi is what sci fi is made for.
Why so grumpy?
They were going to tear the tree down regardless. His job was to negotiate terms but he realized they would never leave. But he did not even try. He abandoned his mission
Whites always do that take over other country’s
Honestly. Once Jake made the connection with Ewya. He realized it was impossible for them to Leave. The Value it holds is too much for anyone to leave.
So what ? The point of his job was to prevent deaths. If they won't leave, find another way, instead, he made a useless revolution that caused countless deaths
@@arnowisp6244 The spirit tree was not the same thing as Hometree which is the one they were trying to convince them to leave. Once Hometree was destroyed they sought shelter at the spirit tree and found a different home.
Because he realised the humans had no right to fell the tree?? What the fuck is going on in these comments
I would love for one of the movies to be a prequel to the first one explaining how the RDA set up their facilities and the initial conflict between the Na’vi, with Grace being the protagonist. That would be interesting…
"Maybe you like the Na'Vi"
Me (A Warhammer 40k fan):
¿why we are not purging the xeno scum yet?
burn the heretic! kill the mutant! purge the unclean 😂
Fuck yeah I would like to see how the imperium would do to them
40k is a universe of extremes, but remember that the vast majority of stuff written about the setting is centered around war and soldiers, for every planet engulfed in the fires of anarchy there are a thousand at peace. For every Hive World filled with the crushed masses there are a dozen worlds not too dissimilar to our own if not objectively better.
40k sure looks depressing when you're focusing on the worst aspects of existence.
Personally I like 40k because it's one of the only popular fictions that truly do the shear scale of a galaxy spanning universe justice
I approved the EXTERMINATUS
@ragingbrawler literally 40k is the futuristic Dark Age of the Humanity.