Hi Matt and Wil! My dislikes are the bathroom is a little small and the other is the steps outside like you said. But not a big issue. That’s all my dislikes. My likes are the whole layout. Kitchen in back the desk the counter space the storage and the outside storage. Thank you Matt and Wil. It’s a very nice fifth wheel.
Couple little things...1. No fifth wheel has a rear fiberglass cap when there's a big passthrough storage door. 2. Very few Alpines or Montanas have rear caps
Welcome to San Antonio y'all! 3 likes: Desk Dishwasher under sink Color scheme 3 dislikes: Small Bathroom..no need for double sink Kitchen island only useful for washing dishes..prep space too scattered. Island would be a better prep space and sink along the wall. Lack of hydraulic steps
Nice video guys, and great unit. But just so you know, the furniture is by Franklyn Furniture. Not sure on spellilng on Franklyn. But they are made in USA and the most comfortable and well made out there.
I would never pay alot of money like that for a travel trailer. NEVER unless I was rich in which case i am not..With that said..the kitchen is FANTASTIC. And FINALLY a desk for working. FIRST time to see that. Yep agree...bathroom is too small. one sink..turn that toilet straight...remove one cabinet door.....and add about another foot to the bathroom atleast. but i am in love with the desk and that awesome kitchen.
We love this unit! And will most likely be our next trailer. For our likes: the desk with overhead storage, storage tray in the back, and the bar that looks out over the living room. I have more than 3 dislikes: the placement of the outlets on the front of the cabinets ( this seems a big dangerous), no shelves in the shower insert and it looks really cheap, the W/D closet door doesn't open far enough for the doors on the W/D to open all the way, and the cabinets in the kitchen and bathroom do not go all the way to the wall leaving a gap to drop things in.
There are a lot little things that make this 5th wheel go from if to amazing. The cabinetry is top notch. I love how the storage compartments underneath are carpeted and divided so things are not sliding all around during travel. The handrail on the interior steps curved in so you don’t catch your clothes on the end. The lighting, ceiling fan and TV placement just add to the comfort of the adventure. I just wish VanLeigh would come out with a VanLeigh shorty so that could be towed easily without a duelly. PS: Thank you for the dishwasher. No one wants to be washing dishes while on vacation.
It's not Thomas Payne furniture. They use Franklin furniture. And you don't get fiberglass rear caps with any brand when you have the big slide out storage tray.
Good review. I ended up with a Class A because the one concern I had with the fifth wheel is most use a solid axle and leaf springs. Given how they are constructed I felt things inside would get a beating with each road trip. One thing I’d like you to point out when you review fifth wheels is whether it has an independent suspension or a solid axle. The independent suspension with disc brakes is far superior and will help the RV owner minimize maintenance and repairs.
There's so much to like about this one. It's got just about everything I would want. I like that there's no dinette that I wouldn't use. I like the "breakfast bar" and desk a lot more, as I would use each of them every day. A little touch that I really liked though, was the cable stops on the cabinet doors, keeping them from getting banged up, or banging up walls or trim. A simple idea for a meaningful benefit. I agree about the double sinks in the bathroom. I don't like the Class A's I've seen that are so nice, but have a stackable washer/dryer in the bathroom above/next to the toilet. Yes, please, let me bow my head over the toilet as I pull stuff out of the dryer. 😒 Same goes for the sink. I don't need to be stradling the toilet while brushing my teeth, unless I'm in a Class B #VanLife.
Gents, great review! One thing I noticed is that the equipment you’re using is great for audio! This unit has all the bells and whistles, as it should at the price point. My only dislike, and you pointed it out, is the two bathroom sinks. Stupid and really limits the amount of counter space. Additionally, if it was a single sink bathroom they could have put the toilet east/west making it a prime pooping position for everyone. 💩
I'm normally not a 5th wheel fan, mostly because they're far more than I would need or could manage, but I love rear kitchens in ANY RV and this one is BEAUTIFUL. Edit- I forgot! I've been meaning to tell you that you have Delaware and Maryland labeled wrong on your map of the dealerships.
My favorite kitchen so far from a Beacon!! With all the years I've been looking at fifth wheels, VanLeigh Beacon seems to be the best 👌. Guys.... please point out the details on the cables that they do on the kitchen cabinets to avoid damage on cabinet doors and the fridge... just saying. Would love to see tile in bathroom
Nice review. I love Tiffin because of the build quality that you're getting whereas other companies cut corners on. I've never been a fan of the front bedroom models, hopefully Tiffin will make this same floor plan but with the bedroom in the back.
I currently own a 2019 Tiffin Class A. Bought in to the quality narrative when I bought it. Then I looked closer after buying it. Behind cabinets, under the coach, and any place a customer can't easily see is a terrible mess. Construction debris not removed, wire bundles not properly secured, raw flat steel stock not coated properly and several pieces not even touched (under coach). Anyway I've learned that although Tiffin definitely has issues, it's not as bad as many other manufacturers. I had to reset my expectations of coach manufacturers. I'm considering a transition from my Class A to a 5th wheel. Based on reviews of other manufacturers, yes, I'm back looking at Tiffin.
I love the desk, dishwasher, and the amount of storage inside and out. I agreed the second sink was a design flaw. It should have been a single sink and more given for the toilet. Also love the videos.
Beautiful kitchen but there's nowhere to put your drying dishes at the sink except in the dish washer but even then it's not an easy process. It would be just slightly annoying every time but that adds up
Yes! That’s the first thing I noticed when I saw the sink in that short island. The sink should be on a side wall so there’s enough counter space to put drying dishes.
Great review guys. I actually expected this MSRP to come in higher than stated. Please start partnering with retailers in the STL, MO area. Thanks again for the reviews!
The one thing we didn’t like was the outlets on the front of the counters in the kitchen and the bathroom. Everything else was awesome. Guys, stop yanking the cabinet doors and drawers open!
Anyone have any idea on something with sleeping space for two parents and two toddlers WITH space for a motorcycle to be parked in everyday? Looking to purchase but having a hard time on sleeping situation for kids and having the motorcycle locked up. Seems like we can either have an extra bedroom or the “garaged” motorcycle but not both! Thanks in advance for any advice!
Love the review, we've been waiting for you to do a video on the RKB!! That is the model that we are getting ready to order with a few changes. No dishwasher and a different color. We agree with all your 3 likes/dislikes. We wish the bathroom was laid out a bit differently but all the positives outweigh the negative in our opinion!
LIKE THE KITCHEN THE LIVING ROOM THE OUTSIDE STORAGE DON’T LIKE THE ELECTRIC IN THE NIGHTSTANDS THE TOILET REPLACEMENT TAKE THE OTHER SINK OUT JUST NEEDS ONE SINK YOU GUYS ARE IN TEXAS GO COWBOYS AMERICANS TEAM
Three things I like about this fifth wheel are: 1. lots of storage. 2. The switch for the power cord real is on the outside and not the inside, 3. I like the Lipert steps. Three things I don't like are: 1. The door facing the rear of the trailer. 2, The placement of the kitchen should be in the middle and not the back. 3. No washer/dryer prep.
I would love the kitchen in the front...bdrm in back......flip the floor plan.....but I really love that kitchen. there is a washer dryer space..in the bdrm...on right.
Yeah for price and how long it is this fifth wheel bathroom need more work to do for sure.probably good quality build but for this price I think will go with different brand…otherwise good presentation 👍
Likes: Basement storage, electric cord reel, and a ladder. Dislikes: The kitchen is inaccessible with the slides in, the three chairs take up too much room in storage while traveling, they should fold up, and the front closet doors should be retractable for better closet access.
Nice 5th wheel but not $20k nicer than the Grand Design 390RK with a similar floorplan . And there are several design choices that GD does much better. I can’t believe the awful slide ledges in the kitchen slides did not make the 3 things you dislike.
I love that desk. it moves this to my favorite 5th wheel. I also like that the kitchen is raised separating it from the living room. However I HATE that there is no dining table. This is not the waffle house we don't eat at the counter. I would gladly give up some of that kitchen space for a table and chairs. I like the size of the fridge but I hate the stainless steel
I think that this Review was Horrid, I hate how you do your Reviews, Too Choppy, pulling out drawers you almost pulled them out of their socket's. You skip a lot of features, and don't give special Details on many things. About the 5th Wheel, you can buy a house for what this costs!
Cant do a rear fiberglass cap because of the storage sliding tray on back. No 5th wheel that I am aware of offers rear fiberglass cap with rear sliding storage tray or any rear storage door at all. Montana same thing, on their legacy package, their rear den model doesn't have a fiberglass cap because of the arrear storage tray. Small sacrifice to get awesome storage. Although I agree on the bathroom, why do these manufactures keep adding 2 sinks to the bathrooms what a waste.
So the interior furniture is made by Franklin not Thomas Payne. Also, when it comes to quality with Tiffin, unless you get the flagship Beacon.. their fifth wheels are garbage. They spend way to much on the interior and lipstick and skimp on everything else from the frame to materials and build quality where you can’t see. I’d stay away from this brand all together. TH-cam the nightmare stories around these Vanleigh fifth wheels.
These 5th wheels all offer so much a flaw like a poorly designed bathroom actually is a huge problem. The desk is nice and kitchen is almost to big. When handling raw meat, I don't want to prepare it in one side then move it across the room.
I didn’t like this 5th wheel at all. I understand that the bedroom & bath have to be up a few stairs but that kitchen layout just made it seem so tight. All in all, the layout doesn’t work for me. Dislikes, chunky valences, stairs to kitchen (also, I think slide out makes kitchen impassible when slides are in)toilet position and useless 2nd sink. Likes dishwasher, brighter decor, outdoor storage.
For that kind of money and quality those steps should be a zero effort automatic hydraulic operating system ... period... love the rig seriously turned off by those steps, I'm to old with a bad back to worry about folding those in or out... and when was the last time anyone has ever needed two sinks in a bathroom? Loose that extra sink add cabinets give that shitter more room..
The kitchen slides are a disaster 👎👎 Why do they have such a huge edge on the bottom front of the slide!! Headroom is very marginal in the front kitchen. 6’3” should have more clearance than that, given where he is standing. That kitchen is going to be claustrophobic for anyone over 6foot tall.
This Beacon is not worth s16000.00. It has Westlake tires, steps with no hydraulics, worst bathroom I ever seen. The rear cap has serious leak potential. Seen better 5th wheels 100k cheaper. Also some of the drawers did not close very good. Should have included solar for the fridge
I agree with the hydraulic steps but I like where they placed the steps....
Hi Matt and Wil!
My dislikes are the bathroom is a little small and the other is the steps outside like you said. But not a big issue. That’s all my dislikes. My likes are the whole layout. Kitchen in back the desk the counter space the storage and the outside storage. Thank you Matt and Wil. It’s a very nice fifth wheel.
I agree about the outside steps and the bathroom. Those could be better.
I agree. One bathroom sink and add a drawer that would be more useful. Also as I get older, the lack of the hydraulic assist on the steps won't do!
Couple little things...1. No fifth wheel has a rear fiberglass cap when there's a big passthrough storage door. 2. Very few Alpines or Montanas have rear caps
Welcome to San Antonio y'all!
3 likes:
Desk
Dishwasher under sink
Color scheme
3 dislikes:
Small Bathroom..no need for double sink
Kitchen island only useful for washing dishes..prep space too scattered. Island would be a better prep space and sink along the wall.
Lack of hydraulic steps
Love the review but I think the reason there isn’t a fiberglass rear cap is because of the rear storage
Nice video guys, and great unit. But just so you know, the furniture is by Franklyn Furniture. Not sure on spellilng on Franklyn. But they are made in USA and the most comfortable and well made out there.
I would never pay alot of money like that for a travel trailer. NEVER unless I was rich in which case i am not..With that said..the kitchen is FANTASTIC. And FINALLY a desk for working. FIRST time to see that. Yep agree...bathroom is too small. one sink..turn that toilet straight...remove one cabinet door.....and add about another foot to the bathroom atleast. but i am in love with the desk and that awesome kitchen.
You can put air bags n reinforced shocks in the back and you be able to pull heavy weight trailers with a SRW
You don’t need dully if u already have a 2500 or 250
We love this unit! And will most likely be our next trailer.
For our likes: the desk with overhead storage, storage tray in the back, and the bar that looks out over the living room.
I have more than 3 dislikes: the placement of the outlets on the front of the cabinets ( this seems a big dangerous), no shelves in the shower insert and it looks really cheap, the W/D closet door doesn't open far enough for the doors on the W/D to open all the way, and the cabinets in the kitchen and bathroom do not go all the way to the wall leaving a gap to drop things in.
There are a lot little things that make this 5th wheel go from if to amazing. The cabinetry is top notch. I love how the storage compartments underneath are carpeted and divided so things are not sliding all around during travel. The handrail on the interior steps curved in so you don’t catch your clothes on the end. The lighting, ceiling fan and TV placement just add to the comfort of the adventure. I just wish VanLeigh would come out with a VanLeigh shorty so that could be towed easily without a duelly.
PS: Thank you for the dishwasher. No one wants to be washing dishes while on vacation.
It's not Thomas Payne furniture. They use Franklin furniture. And you don't get fiberglass rear caps with any brand when you have the big slide out storage tray.
That’s right! Franklin Furniture in Houston Ms! 👍
I wish I could get up on the roof that easy. You should start using a drone to look at the roof 👍🏻
Yes Matt,your wife would like that!!
Love the Mario hop!
This should be the standard in quality for all travel trailers
Good review. I ended up with a Class A because the one concern I had with the fifth wheel is most use a solid axle and leaf springs. Given how they are constructed I felt things inside would get a beating with each road trip. One thing I’d like you to point out when you review fifth wheels is whether it has an independent suspension or a solid axle. The independent suspension with disc brakes is far superior and will help the RV owner minimize maintenance and repairs.
There's so much to like about this one. It's got just about everything I would want. I like that there's no dinette that I wouldn't use. I like the "breakfast bar" and desk a lot more, as I would use each of them every day. A little touch that I really liked though, was the cable stops on the cabinet doors, keeping them from getting banged up, or banging up walls or trim. A simple idea for a meaningful benefit.
I agree about the double sinks in the bathroom. I don't like the Class A's I've seen that are so nice, but have a stackable washer/dryer in the bathroom above/next to the toilet. Yes, please, let me bow my head over the toilet as I pull stuff out of the dryer. 😒 Same goes for the sink. I don't need to be stradling the toilet while brushing my teeth, unless I'm in a Class B #VanLife.
Gents, great review! One thing I noticed is that the equipment you’re using is great for audio!
This unit has all the bells and whistles, as it should at the price point. My only dislike, and you pointed it out, is the two bathroom sinks. Stupid and really limits the amount of counter space. Additionally, if it was a single sink bathroom they could have put the toilet east/west making it a prime pooping position for everyone. 💩
Yes this Unit needs a Design Change!
Agreed.
I'm normally not a 5th wheel fan, mostly because they're far more than I would need or could manage, but I love rear kitchens in ANY RV and this one is BEAUTIFUL.
Edit- I forgot! I've been meaning to tell you that you have Delaware and Maryland labeled wrong on your map of the dealerships.
It looks like you would have access to only 1 Refrigerator door with the slides in. I've seen front kitchen models that can avoid that problem.
My favorite kitchen so far from a Beacon!!
With all the years I've been looking at fifth wheels, VanLeigh Beacon seems to be the best 👌.
Guys.... please point out the details on the cables that they do on the kitchen cabinets to avoid damage on cabinet doors and the fridge... just saying.
Would love to see tile in bathroom
Nice review. I love Tiffin because of the build quality that you're getting whereas other companies cut corners on. I've never been a fan of the front bedroom models, hopefully Tiffin will make this same floor plan but with the bedroom in the back.
I currently own a 2019 Tiffin Class A. Bought in to the quality narrative when I bought it. Then I looked closer after buying it. Behind cabinets, under the coach, and any place a customer can't easily see is a terrible mess. Construction debris not removed, wire bundles not properly secured, raw flat steel stock not coated properly and several pieces not even touched (under coach). Anyway I've learned that although Tiffin definitely has issues, it's not as bad as many other manufacturers. I had to reset my expectations of coach manufacturers. I'm considering a transition from my Class A to a 5th wheel. Based on reviews of other manufacturers, yes, I'm back looking at Tiffin.
I would love to see this unit with the slides in. Doesn’t look like you can access anything when the slides are in. Am I wrong?
yeah they should really show that stuff.
Great desk!!! I’d love to see this exact thing in a motor home! Replace a couch or bunk area with a desk
I love the desk, dishwasher, and the amount of storage inside and out. I agreed the second sink was a design flaw. It should have been a single sink and more given for the toilet.
Also love the videos.
I love you guys and enjoy the videos BUT you rip open and slam the drawers and I wince. Keep up the good work but for the Barry's from MA be gentle 😀
Thank you!!! I thought I was the only one. 😬- me very single time
Jesus Matt rip the frikin drawers will you! Roll tide
Its a great test for quality Imagine when the kids get a hold of it
Even on the sold ones, slamming someone else's drawers
i was thinking the same...waiting for it to break apart.
Matt,easy on the furniture. Gentle!!
Matt, just once for laughs I want you to start a video by saying that you are only moderately excited. Keep up the great work buddy.
Beautiful kitchen but there's nowhere to put your drying dishes at the sink except in the dish washer but even then it's not an easy process. It would be just slightly annoying every time but that adds up
Yes! That’s the first thing I noticed when I saw the sink in that short island. The sink should be on a side wall so there’s enough counter space to put drying dishes.
Great review guys. I actually expected this MSRP to come in higher than stated. Please start partnering with retailers in the STL, MO area. Thanks again for the reviews!
Super nice! Love the dishwasher and kitchen. Need a little more water capacity.
I am waiting to win the lottery
Matt love your reviews. Please please Will and you do truck campers ... you never do them!! So sad! 😢
I am a huge fan that would live as far from you as i can get.
Consider this positive user engagement.
Gday from perth western australia maye. I hope all is going well
The one thing we didn’t like was the outlets on the front of the counters in the kitchen and the bathroom. Everything else was awesome. Guys, stop yanking the cabinet doors and drawers open!
That’s Franklin furniture not Thomas Payne!
Yes it is 👍 Not Lippert!!
With a MSRP of $162,000+, I expect perfection. Unfortunately, it's not present in this 5th wheel. 😞
I'm not in the market for 5th wheel. I just seen your thumbnail and came to watch Matt. I like your vibe and videos 😄
Pretty the furniture is Franklin furniture made by Franklin in MS.
Exactly! Franklin furniture in Houston Ms!
Love the lay out! Quality costs, BUT… at this price point it should come with washer/dryer.
Roll Tide!
And maybe an engine and steering wheel.
Awwww no gobble gobble ☹️
Anyone have any idea on something with sleeping space for two parents and two toddlers WITH space for a motorcycle to be parked in everyday? Looking to purchase but having a hard time on sleeping situation for kids and having the motorcycle locked up. Seems like we can either have an extra bedroom or the “garaged” motorcycle but not both! Thanks in advance for any advice!
Love the review, we've been waiting for you to do a video on the RKB!! That is the model that we are getting ready to order with a few changes. No dishwasher and a different color. We agree with all your 3 likes/dislikes. We wish the bathroom was laid out a bit differently but all the positives outweigh the negative in our opinion!
The furniture is made by Franklin and it’s the same as you would buy for your house
What is the model number with the desk
Wow. What a monster.
When were y'all in town?
LIKE THE KITCHEN THE LIVING ROOM THE OUTSIDE STORAGE DON’T LIKE THE ELECTRIC IN THE NIGHTSTANDS THE TOILET REPLACEMENT TAKE THE OTHER SINK OUT JUST NEEDS ONE SINK YOU GUYS ARE IN TEXAS GO COWBOYS AMERICANS TEAM
Nope, not after seeing the price.
Though I like the idea of a dishwasher, don’t they use a lot of water?
Three things I like about this fifth wheel are: 1. lots of storage. 2. The switch for the power cord real is on the outside and not the inside, 3. I like the Lipert steps. Three things I don't like are: 1. The door facing the rear of the trailer. 2, The placement of the kitchen should be in the middle and not the back. 3. No washer/dryer prep.
I would love the kitchen in the front...bdrm in back......flip the floor plan.....but I really love that kitchen. there is a washer dryer space..in the bdrm...on right.
Seems like it would be hard to reach the counters to do any work, with the bottom bump out.
I noticed that. i wonder why that is like that. I didnt like it.
But they decided on 3 sofas, because Wil is fast enough to sit on all of them at once.
I can't believe they don't paint the slide ends to match.
Yeah for price and how long it is this fifth wheel bathroom need more work to do for sure.probably good quality build but for this price I think will go with different brand…otherwise good presentation 👍
At this weight it should have a third axel!
Great review. But Vanleigh makes their own furniture
Likes:
Basement storage, electric cord reel, and a ladder.
Dislikes:
The kitchen is inaccessible with the slides in, the three chairs take up too much room in storage while traveling, they should fold up, and the front closet doors should be retractable for better closet access.
Wrong on the furniture.... Hint Mississippi....Super nice best by far in the industry....Homework for ya...
Just to double tap a point made in the video; if Will won't fit on the toilet, neither will I. That would be a deal breaker for me.
Oh those couches are an unfortunate choice. Yikes
Yes. Most RV furniture is ugly, but this wins the ugly prize.
Nice 5th wheel but not $20k nicer than the Grand Design 390RK with a similar floorplan . And there are several design choices that GD does much better. I can’t believe the awful slide ledges in the kitchen slides did not make the 3 things you dislike.
1st: bathroom is too small.
2nd:bedroom is small as well, need one more slide for bedroom or one more foot leight for it.
I love that desk. it moves this to my favorite 5th wheel. I also like that the kitchen is raised separating it from the living room. However I HATE that there is no dining table. This is not the waffle house we don't eat at the counter. I would gladly give up some of that kitchen space for a table and chairs. I like the size of the fridge but I hate the stainless steel
I think that this Review was Horrid, I hate how you do your Reviews, Too Choppy, pulling out drawers you almost pulled them out of their socket's. You skip a lot of features, and don't give special Details on many things. About the 5th Wheel, you can buy a house for what this costs!
Cant do a rear fiberglass cap because of the storage sliding tray on back. No 5th wheel that I am aware of offers rear fiberglass cap with rear sliding storage tray or any rear storage door at all. Montana same thing, on their legacy package, their rear den model doesn't have a fiberglass cap because of the arrear storage tray. Small sacrifice to get awesome storage. Although I agree on the bathroom, why do these manufactures keep adding 2 sinks to the bathrooms what a waste.
So the interior furniture is made by Franklin not Thomas Payne. Also, when it comes to quality with Tiffin, unless you get the flagship Beacon.. their fifth wheels are garbage. They spend way to much on the interior and lipstick and skimp on everything else from the frame to materials and build quality where you can’t see. I’d stay away from this brand all together. TH-cam the nightmare stories around these Vanleigh fifth wheels.
These 5th wheels all offer so much a flaw like a poorly designed bathroom actually is a huge problem. The desk is nice and kitchen is almost to big. When handling raw meat, I don't want to prepare it in one side then move it across the room.
Not Thomas pain furniture
I didn’t like this 5th wheel at all. I understand that the bedroom & bath have to be up a few stairs but that kitchen layout just made it seem so tight. All in all, the layout doesn’t work for me.
Dislikes, chunky valences, stairs to kitchen (also, I think slide out makes kitchen impassible when slides are in)toilet position and useless 2nd sink.
Likes dishwasher, brighter decor, outdoor storage.
For that kind of money and quality those steps should be a zero effort automatic hydraulic operating system ... period... love the rig seriously turned off by those steps, I'm to old with a bad back to worry about folding those in or out... and when was the last time anyone has ever needed two sinks in a bathroom? Loose that extra sink add cabinets give that shitter more room..
Not a fan of this floor plan.
The kitchen slides are a disaster 👎👎 Why do they have such a huge edge on the bottom front of the slide!! Headroom is very marginal in the front kitchen. 6’3” should have more clearance than that, given where he is standing. That kitchen is going to be claustrophobic for anyone over 6foot tall.
This Beacon is not worth s16000.00. It has Westlake tires, steps with no hydraulics, worst bathroom I ever seen. The rear cap has serious leak potential. Seen better 5th wheels 100k cheaper. Also some of the drawers did not close very good. Should have included solar for the fridge
Not a fan of this one. 🙁