There are 3 kinds of people in this world, those who are good at maths, and those who are not. Let’s see where the LG G5’s final peak brightness numbers land once it hits the market.
@@GraveUypo incorrect. 3 times = 3x regardless of the terms used after whether they're "brighter" or "as bright". 3 times = 300% of the original number = 3x
Removing the inputs button is one of the most irritating trends in the TV industry. For many users who rely on an apple TV/Google TV/set top boxes/consoles/HTPC for playback, basically the only thing the TV remote gets used for is turning the TV on and off, and switching inputs - and one of those no longer has a dedicated button. Someone's grandparents aren't going to work out you have to hold down the home button, and they may struggle with navigating the home menu. I genuinely think these decisions receive zero end-user testing.
If I have to make more than two taps to switch the input, I will seriously consider buying a different TV. I use this all the time to switch between my AppleTV and my PS5.
The TV cost is subsidized with the expectation that users will use the native OS and make up for the subsidy with user data. Making it easy to switch into an alternate OS is against their financial interests.
@@protothomasPressing the home-button on Apple TV remote or app switches the input to Apple TV, I think it was the same with PS-button on PS5 controller IIRC. Now PC is completely different story
They will just call it MLA Plus in 2026. Adding MLA to the new 2025 panel in 2026 will increase brightness in a 10% window by 500%. (LOL) Who cares? I care more about APL brightness and I don't want my damn TV going into dim mode after 5 minutes to prevent burn in.
They removed mla because its been reported for a year now that mla costs a fortune to produce Now with 4 stacked layer oled with a more stable blue they are getting significantly increased brightness and color luminance while at the same time significantly reducing power consumption, all WITHOUT expensive mla. This isnt some conspiracy you dummies
If LG G5 model can provide better color brightness as mentioned in the video and get closer to QD-OLED in terms of color gamut this would be a great improvement.
Even if it say 84% real life viewing will look near identical without reference or side by side for Mad Max and Pan only examples . Plus with more colour volume ( higher NITs ) , will still be able to colour map bright hues to more 3D appearance anyway. ie BT2020 is really not about pure colours so much as being able to map over higher dynamic range . No human sees pure colour , the some hear pure audio tones ie movies can look great in SDR , older colour range, HDR , if well mastered and tone mapped
Can't relate, all I'm using the remote for is to turn the TV on/off and switch inputs. No SmartTV software beats what you can do with an external box. Edit: oh wait they removed the inputs button. Touche.
@@SampaioLipe_ Samsung's is way more comfortable. Try using LGs magic remote in the dark, you'll press the wrong button every time. On Samsung you can feel where you are without seeing. A backlight would be useful for both.
A few of my ex gfs had an issue with the last models of magic remotes because the ok wheel is lower than the chassis. Made it hard to click with having nails.
Adding an dedicated play/pause button would have been a big quality of life improvement. Fire TV remote has this. No navigating up and down to find the play button or accidentally activating the cursor. Instead they add ai trash I will never use and removed the programmable number keys...They really don't care about user feedback at all.
I have the G4 77 inch. Great TV, no bugs, just works, got better with updates (listen Samsung), great motion, upscaling and streaming quality (listen Samsung). Movie modes can be used for gaming with low input lag. Too bright for my wife and enough for me. All in all a great deal, I'm happy 😊 I was very close to get an A95L, but the LG was the better deal for me for sure...
yes i have the G3 77 inch and i love that. Im suprised that lg quitted from MLA. But 4 stack layer panel probably better than G4. I dont know how much brighter than previous models but it looks like 2x than G3.
@@zu5295 Samsung have a hacker community too. Making it as a brand suck less than LG. A bit worrisome that they both gimp their remote controls like the buttons were made of gold plated platinum..
0:55 Mathematically "Three Times Higher" can only mean 6x3=18. But I will grant you language is a tricky thing, if LG meant to say "three additional multiples" then that would be 2,400 nits, but that would require something was lost in translation from Korean to English.
No, then the wording would be "three times as high" or simply 3x. It is quite infuriating how so many people and especially marketing departments (intentionally) get this wrong all the time.
This "magic remote" is absolutely not made for my grandmother! I just bought a second remote for her new LG TV and used electrical tape to disable all the buttons except power, the numbers, volume and channel up/down. Unfortunately the TV doesn't let me configure an app to launch at start, so she has to remember to hold down 1, and she doesn't even remember what city she's in.
Modern TV are absolutely NOT made with older people in mind. And, LG seems to be just about the worst with respect to that particular issue. All companies have that same problem today. The TVs are just too complex for any older person to be able to make any sense of at all which is kind of a shame because they are the ones that spend the most time watching TV by far.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 we restorted to gluing stickers with functions/descriptions on the remotes of the new hisense TV for my girlfriends grandparents.....
Gotta be honest, the gimmicky AI features just sound like another way to harvest user data 😒 I mean, they're talking about analysing voice profiles. Does this mean the TV is constantly listening, similar to an Alexa device?
Eventually all this nonsense will backfire on them, but the troublemakers get the golden parachute. Easy for some clever guy to shill AI over usable remote control for some C-level executive idiot.
I never agreed to the mic related portions of the user agreement, on my C3. Every once in awhile, I'll get a pop-up asking me to agree to microphone access, as if I'd pressed the mic button. Oddly seems to happen most often, when I'm playing video games over HDMI, which is currently the only time I'm not using an app on the TV. As a side note, I wish I hadn't upgraded the version of WebOS, since it only made the menus slower, turns on my PlayStation any time I cursor passed the Previous Input window on the home screen and I haven't even used the Chromecast feature it added.
@@Rpm2878 Just hope we continue to have the ability to opt-out. It just occurred to me that I disabled many of the user data collection features on my C9, and haven't thought about them since.
It's a shame that LG treats the C line, the one that sells the most, with so much neglect. All innovation is limited to G. In fact it is worse, when something new appears the previous technology dies without being used in C.
That's because they want to shift the entire market one class above. The B series was always the entry level OLED with decent performance while the C series was the one to get as it was giving you great tech and performance at a decent price. Now they want everyone to go one step above and get a G or a C instead of a C and a B. Actually, I would not be surprised if we'll get to see the last of the B series at some point. The last A series was released all the way back in 2021. We won't see another A series TV likely ever. Why? Because it was a pretty good OLED experience overall. Sure, you didn't get an amazing panel or 120hz or the same really responsive interface as you would on a C but you still got to experience OLED which is better than nothing. Let's hope I'm wrong and it's just how they are treating the C series for now.
They have no economical answer to QD OLED, so they had to introduce some aggressive segmentation of the new tech to the G and M series to keep their margins high
There is almost no reason to buy a new oled if you have one form cx era for a regular person. I got a cx 65" and I am very happy with it. In a dark room, my eyes cannot handle the brightness sometimes. Got a c2 42 as monitor, it's very well too. Theres literally no reason to buy a new expensive oled until they are broken.
@@hades4438I’m in a tough situation in that my 5 year GSP from Best Buy on my CX is set to expire in June and I’d really like to take advantage of the being able to possibly apply that credit towards a replacement TV. It does make me sad though that the C series seems to not get any love anymore from LG
5:06 ABOUT F******* TIME but NOOOO ;( no media keys WTF long hold for inputs I think they made the remote worse then last year. idk that was posible. Looks like they saving MLA for next years TV
That was mostly due to cost issues. LG had to do something to try and get the cost of the G-series down as they had essentially priced themselves right out of the market with that model. Almost no one bought a G4 in 2024. Its high price had a lot to do with that.
@@michaelbeckerman7532G5 will cost more to us..and without MLA .. You speak as G5 will be more afordable jaja... will be worse for not have MlA and more cost for the buyer..will see it.
@@mz1929 Seeing as how they didn't drop the price on the G4 to make it competitive at all in 2024, the chances of them waking up and dropping the price on the G5 this year are slim as well. Sadly, that's yet another TV from LG that will only sell in incredibly small numbers in 2025. Yet another ball dropped and opportunity missed for them.
I’m so glad you mentioned what you did at 3:30!! That elevated blacks bothered the heck out of me!! Hated MLA & QDOLED for that reason. I liked my G2 better. Now I can look forward to upgrading!! Now let’s just hope for a price decrease of the 97” 😅
The G5 it is! 77” 4k 165, lets go! Can’t wait to hook my custom gaming pc up to this! I may end up getting a 48 inch G5 model too later in the year to replace a desktop monitor.
@@issaciamsNGL, I was really tempted to get the G4 during Black Friday 2024. I have the LG CX now but I didnt think the extra 24 hz and the other panel improvements was enough of an upgrade for the cost. The G5 going to 165hz is the upgrade I was waiting for.
@@Swat-ev1fk Well i might be unlucky then, because mine has severe visual and sound glitch on more and more situations to a point the tv will always crash and sometimes I have to unplug it to be able to turn it on again. Happen when watching Twich (using tv app), watching DvD with my PS5 (and not when watching blueray), sometimes when watching youtube and since yesterday when using my mac mini on the tv.
Having the input button replaced with new home button that serves a dual purpose with a long press as input switching functionality is not a good change. It should stay dedicated. Rather remove the predetermined streaming service buttons at the bottom and put your home button around there.
They get paid for each of the streaming service buttons, so they aren't going anywhere. I mean, they are also getting paid *For the TV* so you'd think we could ask for a useful button too, but we obvously aren't paying enough for them to care about their customers.
Long-press on an on-screen icon is bad enough. Putting a long-press feature on a remote button is much worse. People just don't like the long-press feature.
I got the G4 about 3 months ago, honestly I don't even see the point of a new model with better tech. This TV is already amazing and better than pretty much anything else. I understand LG need to release a new flagship every year but it's becoming a bit like mobile phones now, there's absolutely no need to upgrade every year since the differences are negligible. I went from the C9 to G4 and even then, the difference was not night and day. The C9 was still excellent and I only replaced it because of some dead pixels and was able to claim through an extended warranty that I got with the TV!
Habe mir den 65“ bei Expert für 1749€ gegönnt und bin auch total happy. Nur dieses glossy Plastik der Fernbedienung ist echt mies.. Das mit MLA finde ich sone Sache. Man hat dadurch ja auch extrem gute Blickwinkel ohne Pink Stich von der Seite. Das dürfte beim G5 wahrscheinlich wieder weniger gut sein.
@@Icipher4 I won’t have any interest in LG until it does. Had a real nightmare of an experience trying to get a half-decent G4 in terms of uniformity. I think it will remain a problem until they get rid of WOLED.
@@c-samleystudios1573Did you check the uniformity immediately after getting the TVs or did you let them break in for a while first? I have 2 woled panels and both arrived with uniformity issues, and now have zero issues at all
as a early purchaser of OLED, you should be more concerned about whether the burn-in on red problem has been fixed. I watch a lot of youtube, and I have burn in where the red youtube logo is on the top left of the browser, as well as burn in where my account logo is on the top right of the browser - quite disappointed that such an expensive screen a few years ago has burn in. Really puts me off OLED for future purchases
I agree, screen uniformity has to be improved. Also I’m really hoping the colors are noticeably improved over the G4, and hopefully can come somewhat close to qd oled REC 2020 coverage.
I got a 65“ G4 and I am very happy for many years to come. While higher brightness is nice the HDR of my G4 is alrdy super punchy (like it can be a bit rough on the eyes). What I‘d appreciate is a better remote. That glossy plastic remote for a premium TV feels just cheap..
Honestly, I got a GREAT deal on the C4 from Best Buy, and I really don’t see how the picture can get much better…. The C4 can get very bright, the colors are absolutely stunning, and everything on it looks absolutely fantastic. The C4 replaced an A80J I had for 2 years and the C4 absolutely crushes the A80J on every level. Yes, I know the A80J is a 2021 model, but still, it’s honestly pretty amazing how much better the C4 is! LG honestly owns the OLED market. Even in image quality, which is something I honestly didn’t think I’d ever say with Sony around. But LG has MASSIVELY improved their image quality!
God dammit. My 77'' G4 just arrived three days ago! 🤣 I'm not really mad though. I only ended up paying a total of $1,000 for mine thanks to buying a used C9 (I paid $800 for) two years ago and inheriting the Geek Squad Protection plan that the original owner purchased. My C9 was having issues ever since I bought it and I finally took advantage of the plan last month. Was shocked when I basically only had to buy the stand for the TV since the store credit I got was more than the actual cost of the 77'' G4. 😆 It expired Feb 14th of this year though, so it's not like I would have been able to get the G5 even if I had waited. Plus, coming from a C9, the difference with HDR on the G4 is absolutely transformative. I also watch everything in a dark room anyway, and out of the box, without using the "reduce blue light" feature, the G4 already causes major eye strain/burning for me as it is. edit: I'm so glad they added even more "AI" options to the G5. It just means purists can have even more fun switching all of those shitty options off. I know I had a blast turning everything off on my G4.
Are there any remotes that I could buy in the US that does not feature streaming services buttons? I know I don't have to use it, but I don't want any kind of advertisements in a remote.
Not even on the 48, I mean I get the brightness booster that might make it too hot but the higher refresh rate of the g5 can easily be implemented in these smaller formats too
✅ G5 48'' to boost brightness in this tiny TV/oversized monitor ❌ G5 42'' to boost brightness to the nerfed C4 42'' that works great as 2nd TV / large monitor ⬆LG lerning from AMD marketing department 🥴
As a video calibrator. The best thing I can do for my customers, is to take the batteries out of the LG OEM remote and hide it. Program another remote to work everything, so they can't accidentally screw up all the settings they paid to have adjusted correctly.
Wow Vincent has given us an exclusive on LG’s OLED TV lineup before the CES started 😮 So they replaced MLA with something even more advanced: 4 stack OLED!
No, they replaced it with something less expensive because they knew that HAD to do something this year to try and get the PRICE of their G-series TVs down. So, taking out MLA allowed them to do that.
Ask other people who own other brands and they would tell you LG had the best remote. The fact you could even program the numbers to individual inputs was/is amazing. Ruined a good thing LG had going for them.
I have a newish 83” & 2 other 77” Sony OLED. These will be my reference quality go-to. I feel like no matter what Sam or LG do w OLED tech. I’m kinda done with it. 2025 and beyond belongs to 100-115” plus 📺 sets. Sports, Streaming is on another level. Unless OLED can be affordable at 100+ size. It’s going to take a back seat.
I think all ready the g5 are on My black friday list i come from a g1 First I think the 48" is the only Thing i miss out on, some 165vbb hertz vs the 55" is for a guess room
True HDR can almost never be too bright, because the only thing getting the brightness are the things that really are that bright, so otherwise the screen is never getting that bright. A lot of things we see in TV shows and movies are still nowhere as bright yet on these displays as they really are, and even if we eventually get there, it won't be for a long time yet, and on a future display technology that is probably like 4-5 technologies away. So, we might get there in the next 25-30 years. Also, if you're watching an HDR source and you turn down the brightness, you are doing it wrong, HDR always needs to be set at full brightness at all times or otherwise you'll ruin the HDR experience and might as well at that point just switch back over to SDR.
All over the 83" G5 this year, after giving the last two years a miss. That said, I am disappointed about the new remote not shipping to the UK. May look into alternatives.
LG needs to stop putting silver bezels on their OLED TVs. It’s supper annoying because the silver reflects the screen and prevents the screen from being immersed into your environment.
I stil use the lg c9 but the picture is a bit to dark for my taste en colors look a bit muted and dull sometimes,motion handeling is not that great either imo. Maybe it is time to buy an up to date oled now.
0:52 Not the math I learned .. or still use today. In most disciplines saying something is 3x (faster, brighter, better) than x, will mean 3*x not x + 3*x.
@@CorePixels yeah I think it's just an interpretation problem, he reckons they mean 3x the brightness more than the base. No way if it was 4x AS BRIGHT (which I believe he was interpreting 3x brightER to mean) would LG marketing let go of the opportunity to call it 4x.
Even though not a native speaker I I also raised my eyebrows when he came up with that one. Asked myself wether there has been a difference between „3 times faster 3x100=400“ and „3 times as fast 3x100=100“ all the time and I didn‘t notice 😄
I own the G4 and C2. MLA causes lifted blacks similar to QD OLED. If you have any light in your room present. So if LG can match QD OLED brightness and be competitive with colors... then it will have the better image. Perfect inky blacks and contrast are the key to picture quality. Raised greyish blacks because of QD OLED or MLA is a problem.
It looks gorgeous. So it’s tandem oled basically, as in the displays they supplied for the new iPad Pro. I’m still happy with my cx, but if I was shopping for a new tv this would be the one I’d be looking at. Or maybe pick up a g4 with a nice discount. Hmmm.
They will probably use QD-OLED as their flagship OLED. Sony doesn't care about having the most 'nits'. They tend to go for accuracy and QD-OLED has a much better color gamut.
It's sort of looking now like they might just roll with the A95L for an unprecedented third year here in 2025. If they do, that TV will likely win the King of TV shootout again, for a third year in a row. Nothing that we saw introduced from LG or Samsung today will be able to match it.
Anyone with a G4 does NOT need to buy a G5 lol. The G4 will be future proofed until the G8 or G9 comes out. Technology hasn't been as innovative as it was in the mid to late 2000's. All we are seeing these days are slight improvements to last year's model. Apple products are a perfect example of that.
Well not only that but I noticed Vincent say increased brightness in “filmmaker mode” I HATE filmmaker mode. And find such a better picture with cinema mode or cinema user. Turning brightness enhancer on and dynamic tone mapping or whatever the other dynamic is. Then turning color temp all the way to warm 50. It’s perfect. And so bright with inky blacks.
Put your hand on the center of the screen when it's on. Why is that the ONLY TV on the market today that runs so incredibly hot like that? It shouldn't. Those run hotter than the old plasma TVs used to. There's no reason for a TV to run that hot in 2024/2025.
I have been in the market for a new tv since last summer to upgrade my cx starting with the s90d but it wasn't bright enough plus it had issues with my 4090 pc, went with the g4 but it had bad uniformity issues and the center line split that many suffer from so I went s95d because it supposedly fixed the one connect box issues but it didn't and now I'm back with my cx. Genuinely if it wasn't for the uniformity issues I would've kept/went back to the g4 because it was best out if the 3 but if the g5 can fix the center line issue specifically I would gladly choose that because the 15-1700 nits of the g4 and s95d was incredible and I can only imagine the 2500 nits 😎
I've got the center line but I really can't see it in content, maybe mine is much dimmer than others'. I also think that the G4 is already colorful and bright enough, in fact I keep it at 100 nits in SDR and for HDR I always use HGIG when gaming on the 4090. Every time I push the brightness, I realize I just am not one of those people who likes a bright picture. Dim, cinematic, easy on the eyes is the best way to go. I really can't see myself upgrading from this 83" in at least until something extraordinary comes to the market at 98" size, but I do love following how the tech improves, such a fun hobby! The 165hz and couple of hundred nits extras are pretty much useless incremental upgrades to me, but someone who is upgrading from C1 or C2, this could be a treat. Frankly, I'd be very happy with a 1000 nits HDR already, went a bit overboard with the G4 83". LG's TVs are just that good. And so are the Sony A95L and S95D.
@@eliashabash7591 well it's worthless as a g5 then, just get a c5, it's like LG are trying to sucker people in to buying an interior C5 labeled as a G5 with a bigger price tag.
Might as well go for the 48" C5, from the looks of it, the only difference seems to be the processor anyway, since both the panel and refresh rate on the 48" G5 are limited to the same as C5 anyway.
Not the same WOLED and QD OLED always had multiple layers. WOLED had 3 layers, and QD OLED had 4. However, the tandem OLED tech is described like two OLED panels stacked on top of eachother, rather than using multiple layers for the OLED light
Most of us use soundbars or AV receivers, do the features that interfere with the sound quality of TVs (including artificial intelligence) work with eArc connection? Or are these for ordinary users?
If I had to make an educated guess I would say that none of those feature are going to affect audio passthrough as that would defeat the purpose of having a dedicated and calibrated sound system. Based on my experience with a C1 where none of the features meant for the TV speakers work with my LG Soundbar (which you might not expect seeing as it is from the same brand), I don't see why this should change with these newer models.
@@Melarancida My guess is that these features do not work on additional hardware. "11.2.2 channel sound" Even receivers that do this are close to a thousand dollars in price, TV brands continue to phishing people.
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No MLA for 2025 might work fine with this alternative set up, wait and see but he’s saying it’s much brighter three times which sounds a bit exaggerated to achieve over one year. That simpler remote is made cheaper to reduce costs and so is the MLA omission. Do you buy next year for much more brightness or buy the G4 now because it is already plenty bright no need to torch the screen with brightness that doesn’t add colour saturation. It sounds the QC is going backwards.
All the AI features on my G4 are turned completely off I don't know what they do what they should be doing what they would be doing I'm just really not interested and I don't hear anyone saying I should turn them on
Oh, yes, they will. Now, they may not be using this year's implementation of it on the 2025 models, of course, but very soon integrated VOICE enabled chatbot inclusion will become one of the most important and sought-after features on any new TV. By 2026 you likely won't even consider buying a TV without that feature. We already know that Google will be doing a full implementation of Gemini on the GoogleTV platform here some time in Q1 of 2025.
@waterfalls2000 I mean come on, even those guys know you can generate free images with the news tab on Windows, Bing Copilot, or apps like Stable Diffusion. All of those are free and easier to move the files. How do I even move a file off a TV? And if I were really that desperate I could just get one of the millions of free phone apps. Hell even Deviantart, the antichrist himself, has a free generator.
@@drunksquirrel2051 Well, it should! HDMI 2.1 only gets you so far after all. I own a G2 that I use daily as a monitor and no worries, so unless you do a lot of document processing for 8 hours straight each day (at which point even OLED monitors are not suitable) than it should be fine. But yeah... most likely never gonna happen. Still I just wanted to shout out to LG if they are reading along. 👍
The zero connect box is a huge fail. Definitely will be avoiding that product line forever as we've seen how disappointing it is with Samsung's connect box on its flagship oled's
6:28 wait, I'm Italian and this is the first time I hear of this. I have an older LG TV with a magic remote (the one that's "organic shaped", for a lack of a better description), and a slightly newer Samsung TV and neither have number pads. Bith have a "123" button that brings up a numpad on screen. Side note, it's nice with the LG remote as it has a cursor, annoying on the Samsung one as you have to click-click-click a million times lol.
I would prefer that LG Display use that money to start to retire its mountain of debt instead of passing the savings to the consumer. LG Display has lost lots of money over many years, driving it into deep debt. LG Electronics is the lender for much of the debt, so it needs to help LG Display retire that debt. Once LG Electronics is paid back its loan, it could afford to buy QD-OLED panels from Samsung Display without risking an LG Display bankruptcy that could ruin LG Electronics’s finances due to having its massive loan go bad.
@@jnvivian “you’d prefer”?? How does LG’s financials or debt affect you directly? As a commoner, their debt shouldn’t really concern us, should it? Btw, LG is getting more from selling your personal info and viewing habits than they make off TVs anyway. So yeah..
@@MattyDaddy14 If LG Display goes bankrupt, OLED panel prices would go up a lot because either Samsung Display would become an OLED monopolist or we would have a duopoly between Samsung Display’s QD-OLED and TCL CSOT’s inkjet printed OLED. Sure, there is a duopoly now between Samsung Display’s QD-OLED and LG Display’s WOLED, but three competitors would be better than two.
There are 3 kinds of people in this world, those who are good at maths, and those who are not. Let’s see where the LG G5’s final peak brightness numbers land once it hits the market.
Thats actually an amazing dad joke 😂
Vincent a question please, no MLA in any series of 2025 OLED TV's I guess
3 times means 3x.
So if the B series is 600 nits max, then 3 x 600 is what Vincent?
@@cogthusiast1150 three times brighter means 4x (1x + 3x). three times as bright means 3x. but they probably meant 3 times as bright.
@@GraveUypo incorrect.
3 times = 3x regardless of the terms used after whether they're "brighter" or "as bright".
3 times = 300% of the original number = 3x
If I can get a dollar every time a company says “AI” during CES, I’ll probably be a millionaire.
Why set such low expectations? You'd probably be a billionare after the show is done haha
If you really want that dollar than invest in AI.
@@jinso6100i prefer to make money from things that aren't scams.
You misspelled trillionaire
So your poor poor😅
Not a fan of the new remote.. there is so much space but you're hiding the input selection behind a long press? Come on.
You can always purchase an 2024 remote :)
Also no dedicated youtube button, WTF
@@AryZanganeh. Yes, but shouldn’t have to.
Really, I basically only use the number buttons, where the most common apps are mapped to
Magic Remotes will work for current TVs and 3-4 years previous model TV's, not forward compatible. @@AryZanganeh
Removing the inputs button is one of the most irritating trends in the TV industry. For many users who rely on an apple TV/Google TV/set top boxes/consoles/HTPC for playback, basically the only thing the TV remote gets used for is turning the TV on and off, and switching inputs - and one of those no longer has a dedicated button.
Someone's grandparents aren't going to work out you have to hold down the home button, and they may struggle with navigating the home menu. I genuinely think these decisions receive zero end-user testing.
Collusion with the big streamers to discourage input switching and potentially from ads.
If I have to make more than two taps to switch the input, I will seriously consider buying a different TV. I use this all the time to switch between my AppleTV and my PS5.
At least you can assign it to a long press.
The TV cost is subsidized with the expectation that users will use the native OS and make up for the subsidy with user data. Making it easy to switch into an alternate OS is against their financial interests.
@@protothomasPressing the home-button on Apple TV remote or app switches the input to Apple TV, I think it was the same with PS-button on PS5 controller IIRC. Now PC is completely different story
They removed MLA so they'll have something to add back in for 2026.
Exactly! G6 is easy upgrade. This same panel *mla and we have new next year flagship!
They will just call it MLA Plus in 2026. Adding MLA to the new 2025 panel in 2026 will increase brightness in a 10% window by 500%. (LOL) Who cares? I care more about APL brightness and I don't want my damn TV going into dim mode after 5 minutes to prevent burn in.
They removed mla because its been reported for a year now that mla costs a fortune to produce
Now with 4 stacked layer oled with a more stable blue they are getting significantly increased brightness and color luminance while at the same time significantly reducing power consumption, all WITHOUT expensive mla. This isnt some conspiracy you dummies
Not sure this added blue could work with a lens, also
@@eliashabash7591 There's no conspiracy, it's common sense.
If LG G5 model can provide better color brightness as mentioned in the video and get closer to QD-OLED in terms of color gamut this would be a great improvement.
The most important thing is the true black filter, that neither MLA or QD-OLED has..
@@GenX_in_the_wild whats true black filter?
Even if it say 84% real life viewing will look near identical without reference or side by side for Mad Max and Pan only examples . Plus with more colour volume ( higher NITs ) , will still be able to colour map bright hues to more 3D appearance anyway. ie BT2020 is really not about pure colours so much as being able to map over higher dynamic range . No human sees pure colour , the some hear pure audio tones ie movies can look great in SDR , older colour range, HDR , if well mastered and tone mapped
@@GenX_in_the_wildthat blacks on qd oled are already amazing its the color that makes qd so good the black filter wont help
I hope the TV does not need Internet.
I still like my cx remote that has the pause and play buttons
it the only thing keeping me from upgrading
I tryed the G4, I miss my media keys soo much i returned the TV, keeping my CX
@@haloharry97 cx was the last good remote, all downhill since then
Can't relate, all I'm using the remote for is to turn the TV on/off and switch inputs. No SmartTV software beats what you can do with an external box. Edit: oh wait they removed the inputs button. Touche.
Damn I Have a CX too, I didn’t know they shit the bed with the remotes since then. 🤦🏻♂️
@@Coolhand69the C1 seemed fine
From all this years using the CX remote, never once i thought "this remote feels so uncomfortable, wish it was shittier like Samsung's"
I did think this, and am glad to have a Samsung TV and remote instead, and that's after trying the G4
@@SampaioLipe_ Samsung's is way more comfortable.
Try using LGs magic remote in the dark, you'll press the wrong button every time.
On Samsung you can feel where you are without seeing.
A backlight would be useful for both.
A few of my ex gfs had an issue with the last models of magic remotes because the ok wheel is lower than the chassis. Made it hard to click with having nails.
Adding an dedicated play/pause button would have been a big quality of life improvement. Fire TV remote has this. No navigating up and down to find the play button or accidentally activating the cursor. Instead they add ai trash I will never use and removed the programmable number keys...They really don't care about user feedback at all.
@@unitedhybrid187 The problem was in front of the remote I suppose.
My G3 65" is pretty good. Maybe I'll get the G8 series once the 5 year support is up
It's only a TV,as well lol
Does the 5 year support cover burn in?
Same here. Would get a G4 if it broke today but ultimately I think I'm good on specs till G7 at least.
Or, MicroLED might have finally matured enough that it can be produced in actual TV sizes and with a similar price to what flagship OLEDs now cost.
@@NeonmirrorblackOr self emitting quantum dots
I have the G4 77 inch. Great TV, no bugs, just works, got better with updates (listen Samsung), great motion, upscaling and streaming quality (listen Samsung). Movie modes can be used for gaming with low input lag. Too bright for my wife and enough for me. All in all a great deal, I'm happy 😊 I was very close to get an A95L, but the LG was the better deal for me for sure...
yes i have the G3 77 inch and i love that. Im suprised that lg quitted from MLA. But 4 stack layer panel probably better than G4. I dont know how much brighter than previous models but it looks like 2x than G3.
me: "finally a 27 inch OLED 4k monitor!"
LG: here is a new technology to make you wait another 2 years before it comes in that form
Exactly my thoughts.
Waiting for the Asus 27 inch 4k 240hz oled and now i See this Video 😂😂😂
Samsung are releasing 27’ 4K OLED monitors this year
@@zu5295 Yes, that was their point I think.
@@zu5295 Samsung have a hacker community too. Making it as a brand suck less than LG. A bit worrisome that they both gimp their remote controls like the buttons were made of gold plated platinum..
Wdym? 27 4K will come out this year.
Vincent bringing us the good news from CES 👍
Not CES.
Nits war 😂😂😂
0:55 Mathematically "Three Times Higher" can only mean 6x3=18.
But I will grant you language is a tricky thing, if LG meant to say "three additional multiples" then that would be 2,400 nits, but that would require something was lost in translation from Korean to English.
Thanks. I thought I was crazy. 😂
@@kosmosyche Same 😢. Not a dissapointment in math after all. 😂
No, then the wording would be "three times as high" or simply 3x. It is quite infuriating how so many people and especially marketing departments (intentionally) get this wrong all the time.
A more accurate way to represent that would be '300% Brighter' as that would mean 6 + 6 x 3.00 (300%).
One times higher: 1+1=2
Two times higher: 1+2=3
Three times higher: 1+3=4
This "magic remote" is absolutely not made for my grandmother! I just bought a second remote for her new LG TV and used electrical tape to disable all the buttons except power, the numbers, volume and channel up/down. Unfortunately the TV doesn't let me configure an app to launch at start, so she has to remember to hold down 1, and she doesn't even remember what city she's in.
Modern TV are absolutely NOT made with older people in mind. And, LG seems to be just about the worst with respect to that particular issue. All companies have that same problem today. The TVs are just too complex for any older person to be able to make any sense of at all which is kind of a shame because they are the ones that spend the most time watching TV by far.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 we restorted to gluing stickers with functions/descriptions on the remotes of the new hisense TV for my girlfriends grandparents.....
Gotta be honest, the gimmicky AI features just sound like another way to harvest user data 😒
I mean, they're talking about analysing voice profiles. Does this mean the TV is constantly listening, similar to an Alexa device?
Eventually all this nonsense will backfire on them, but the troublemakers get the golden parachute. Easy for some clever guy to shill AI over usable remote control for some C-level executive idiot.
Yes, LG TVs have been "always listening" but optional opt-out since the C1.
Never connect the TV to the internet. Only for necessary firmware updates and then change the wifi password.
I never agreed to the mic related portions of the user agreement, on my C3. Every once in awhile, I'll get a pop-up asking me to agree to microphone access, as if I'd pressed the mic button. Oddly seems to happen most often, when I'm playing video games over HDMI, which is currently the only time I'm not using an app on the TV. As a side note, I wish I hadn't upgraded the version of WebOS, since it only made the menus slower, turns on my PlayStation any time I cursor passed the Previous Input window on the home screen and I haven't even used the Chromecast feature it added.
@@Rpm2878 Just hope we continue to have the ability to opt-out. It just occurred to me that I disabled many of the user data collection features on my C9, and haven't thought about them since.
It's a shame that LG treats the C line, the one that sells the most, with so much neglect. All innovation is limited to G. In fact it is worse, when something new appears the previous technology dies without being used in C.
That's because they want to shift the entire market one class above. The B series was always the entry level OLED with decent performance while the C series was the one to get as it was giving you great tech and performance at a decent price. Now they want everyone to go one step above and get a G or a C instead of a C and a B.
Actually, I would not be surprised if we'll get to see the last of the B series at some point. The last A series was released all the way back in 2021. We won't see another A series TV likely ever. Why? Because it was a pretty good OLED experience overall. Sure, you didn't get an amazing panel or 120hz or the same really responsive interface as you would on a C but you still got to experience OLED which is better than nothing.
Let's hope I'm wrong and it's just how they are treating the C series for now.
They have no economical answer to QD OLED, so they had to introduce some aggressive segmentation of the new tech to the G and M series to keep their margins high
There is almost no reason to buy a new oled if you have one form cx era for a regular person. I got a cx 65" and I am very happy with it. In a dark room, my eyes cannot handle the brightness sometimes. Got a c2 42 as monitor, it's very well too. Theres literally no reason to buy a new expensive oled until they are broken.
@@hades4438I’m in a tough situation in that my 5 year GSP from Best Buy on my CX is set to expire in June and I’d really like to take advantage of the being able to possibly apply that credit towards a replacement TV. It does make me sad though that the C series seems to not get any love anymore from LG
Its like volkswagen group. Before Audi used to be the premium, now its plastic shit if you dont go for porsche line
5:06 ABOUT F******* TIME
but NOOOO ;( no media keys
WTF long hold for inputs
I think they made the remote worse then last year. idk that was posible.
Looks like they saving MLA for next years TV
People don't like that long-press feature at all. They don't like it on on-screen menus and they don't like it on the remote.
I have LG G5 since 2017 😊, currently as backup phone, I see they replace LCD with OLED in newer version ;)
Can't wait for G4 clearance prices soon, nice upgrade from my CX screen 😅
I’d say wait for a sale on a G5 if this thing has PHOLED it’ll be worth the wait!
Dont but the G4, google search 'horizontal lines"..... it's an issue
@@DeepStone-6it will not have PHOLED. At least a few years away from that if we ever do end up getting it.
What size is your CX? What size G4 will you get?
@@DeepStone-6 With that logic you can wait forever since by then the G6 will be around the corner.
My g3 77 is still only year old BB had one open box used 1 time with really price. I’ll wait until g7 or 8. G3 has pretty bright picture.
This is exciting and interesting. MLA only made it 2 gens?! Lol
That was mostly due to cost issues. LG had to do something to try and get the cost of the G-series down as they had essentially priced themselves right out of the market with that model. Almost no one bought a G4 in 2024. Its high price had a lot to do with that.
@@michaelbeckerman7532G5 will cost more to us..and without MLA .. You speak as G5 will be more afordable jaja... will be worse for not have MlA and more cost for the buyer..will see it.
@michaelbeckerman7532 that's doesn't make any sense. I bet the G5 will be same price points. Maybe their build cost will drop
@@mz1929 Seeing as how they didn't drop the price on the G4 to make it competitive at all in 2024, the chances of them waking up and dropping the price on the G5 this year are slim as well. Sadly, that's yet another TV from LG that will only sell in incredibly small numbers in 2025. Yet another ball dropped and opportunity missed for them.
The remote for TVs, receivers and other peripherals are getting so standardized and dumbed-down it’s insane
Yeah... a standardized remote... no one wants that... that's hogwash... 🙄
They’re saving a functional remote for next year’s model to encourage an upgrade.
Or they’re just leaving it to the Signature line
Wow they actually managed to enshittify the remote. Truly incredible
I’m so glad you mentioned what you did at 3:30!! That elevated blacks bothered the heck out of me!! Hated MLA & QDOLED for that reason. I liked my G2 better. Now I can look forward to upgrading!!
Now let’s just hope for a price decrease of the 97” 😅
The G5 it is! 77” 4k 165, lets go! Can’t wait to hook my custom gaming pc up to this! I may end up getting a 48 inch G5 model too later in the year to replace a desktop monitor.
That does sound good but I have no regrets going from a CX to the G4. TVs get better every year. Eventually, people have to bite.
@@issaciamsNGL, I was really tempted to get the G4 during Black Friday 2024. I have the LG CX now but I didnt think the extra 24 hz and the other panel improvements was enough of an upgrade for the cost. The G5 going to 165hz is the upgrade I was waiting for.
@Everything2A until you see the G6 going to 185hz and so on and so forth. Tech will keep advancing.
Great to hear! MLA seemed to have raised contrast from ambient light and it didn't sound like something that could be mitigated
if you have a bright room the light reflecting would be a pain with pure blacks anyway?
You mean lowered contrast (or raised blacks).
is there a video that shows the difference to non-MLA in bright rooms?
@@FakYuhGoogel The best test/video I've seen is a video by TFTCentral named "The OLED black depth lie" or similar. Highly recommend it 😊
The drawback was so minor though because the anti-reflection coating they had was excellent
It raised blacks a lot less than the qd oled
10,000+ views per 1st 3 hours.
Congrats!
All the best in the New Year.
🥂
The 77G5 might be the replacement for my dying 55CX :D
Mi 55 cx sigue funcionando bien, tiene más de 4 años, pero aún así la quiero cambiar por la 65 G5
It’s dying? Mine still going strong
My cx still going strong
@@Swat-ev1fk Well i might be unlucky then, because mine has severe visual and sound glitch on more and more situations to a point the tv will always crash and sometimes I have to unplug it to be able to turn it on again. Happen when watching Twich (using tv app), watching DvD with my PS5 (and not when watching blueray), sometimes when watching youtube and since yesterday when using my mac mini on the tv.
Owning a 2 year old LG oled. Watching his videos always makes me feel my TV is totally outdated 😅
Having the input button replaced with new home button that serves a dual purpose with a long press as input switching functionality is not a good change. It should stay dedicated. Rather remove the predetermined streaming service buttons at the bottom and put your home button around there.
Ease of access to one of the most important button inputs is less important than Home Hub… apparently.
I miss the silver magic remote which came with my e series. Had designated Playback buttons instead of the streaming buttons
They get paid for each of the streaming service buttons, so they aren't going anywhere. I mean, they are also getting paid *For the TV* so you'd think we could ask for a useful button too, but we obvously aren't paying enough for them to care about their customers.
Long-press on an on-screen icon is bad enough. Putting a long-press feature on a remote button is much worse. People just don't like the long-press feature.
I got the G4 about 3 months ago, honestly I don't even see the point of a new model with better tech. This TV is already amazing and better than pretty much anything else. I understand LG need to release a new flagship every year but it's becoming a bit like mobile phones now, there's absolutely no need to upgrade every year since the differences are negligible. I went from the C9 to G4 and even then, the difference was not night and day. The C9 was still excellent and I only replaced it because of some dead pixels and was able to claim through an extended warranty that I got with the TV!
Ich habe jetzt den G4 77 ein halbes Jahr 🎉🎉🎉🎉 Best Tv ever🎉🎉🎉🎉
Habe mir den 65“ bei Expert für 1749€ gegönnt und bin auch total happy.
Nur dieses glossy Plastik der Fernbedienung ist echt mies..
Das mit MLA finde ich sone Sache. Man hat dadurch ja auch extrem gute Blickwinkel ohne Pink Stich von der Seite. Das dürfte beim G5 wahrscheinlich wieder weniger gut sein.
Looks like the 2024 models will be on sale soon.
Will be curious to see if uniformity has improved at all this year.
@@Icipher4 I won’t have any interest in LG until it does. Had a real nightmare of an experience trying to get a half-decent G4 in terms of uniformity. I think it will remain a problem until they get rid of WOLED.
@@c-samleystudios1573Did you check the uniformity immediately after getting the TVs or did you let them break in for a while first? I have 2 woled panels and both arrived with uniformity issues, and now have zero issues at all
as a early purchaser of OLED, you should be more concerned about whether the burn-in on red problem has been fixed. I watch a lot of youtube, and I have burn in where the red youtube logo is on the top left of the browser, as well as burn in where my account logo is on the top right of the browser - quite disappointed that such an expensive screen a few years ago has burn in. Really puts me off OLED for future purchases
@ I think it has indeed been improved pretty drastically.
I agree, screen uniformity has to be improved. Also I’m really hoping the colors are noticeably improved over the G4, and hopefully can come somewhat close to qd oled REC 2020 coverage.
Great overview! Thank you!
What is the point of a 48" G5 in place of a C5? The image processor and stop?
Got several yrs ago C1 on sale for XboxX, still happy so not upgrade now. Thanks for preview of future LGs
I have the B9 form 2019 and I'm still blown away.
Might upgrade from 77" C1 to 77" G5 this year. My C1 is still good, but it's just too dim for me. I need to be blinded by it!
I got a 65“ G4 and I am very happy for many years to come. While higher brightness is nice the HDR of my G4 is alrdy super punchy (like it can be a bit rough on the eyes).
What I‘d appreciate is a better remote. That glossy plastic remote for a premium TV feels just cheap..
Yeah specially when my room is really dark. I don’t understand why people go for MiniLED which is way brighter than this.
Love my 65 G4 also, much brighter than my Sony A8F I upgraded from
Honestly, I got a GREAT deal on the C4 from Best Buy, and I really don’t see how the picture can get much better…. The C4 can get very bright, the colors are absolutely stunning, and everything on it looks absolutely fantastic.
The C4 replaced an A80J I had for 2 years and the C4 absolutely crushes the A80J on every level. Yes, I know the A80J is a 2021 model, but still, it’s honestly pretty amazing how much better the C4 is!
LG honestly owns the OLED market. Even in image quality, which is something I honestly didn’t think I’d ever say with Sony around. But LG has MASSIVELY improved their image quality!
I agree bro. I took C4 2 months ago. Top TV. 1000 nits is quite enough for me on 10% window.
God dammit. My 77'' G4 just arrived three days ago! 🤣
I'm not really mad though. I only ended up paying a total of $1,000 for mine thanks to buying a used C9 (I paid $800 for) two years ago and inheriting the Geek Squad Protection plan that the original owner purchased. My C9 was having issues ever since I bought it and I finally took advantage of the plan last month. Was shocked when I basically only had to buy the stand for the TV since the store credit I got was more than the actual cost of the 77'' G4. 😆
It expired Feb 14th of this year though, so it's not like I would have been able to get the G5 even if I had waited. Plus, coming from a C9, the difference with HDR on the G4 is absolutely transformative. I also watch everything in a dark room anyway, and out of the box, without using the "reduce blue light" feature, the G4 already causes major eye strain/burning for me as it is.
edit: I'm so glad they added even more "AI" options to the G5. It just means purists can have even more fun switching all of those shitty options off. I know I had a blast turning everything off on my G4.
do you recommend to upgrade my C3 for the new G5?
Are there any remotes that I could buy in the US that does not feature streaming services buttons? I know I don't have to use it, but I don't want any kind of advertisements in a remote.
I really hope we will get more colour volume and less white dilution effect 🤞
I mean, I get it, but it does kinda suck that the top end features never end up in the 42 inch format
Not even on the 48, I mean I get the brightness booster that might make it too hot but the higher refresh rate of the g5 can easily be implemented in these smaller formats too
Yeah I don't get it, I would PAY for 42" g4/g5 with all the features.
✅ G5 48'' to boost brightness in this tiny TV/oversized monitor
❌ G5 42'' to boost brightness to the nerfed C4 42'' that works great as 2nd TV / large monitor
⬆LG lerning from AMD marketing department 🥴
As a video calibrator. The best thing I can do for my customers, is to take the batteries out of the LG OEM remote and hide it. Program another remote to work everything, so they can't accidentally screw up all the settings they paid to have adjusted correctly.
Never hit a thumbnail so fast.
Except your wife
Lies
The white pixel in the remote shot just got me up from my sofa😂
Thank you for the Info vincent, do you think it will give qd oled a fight in color?(g5), Thanks!.
No, the G5 is still a WOLED. Once yet again, it won't be able to touch the A95L.
sadly no oled for me because of possible burn in. i just bought a mini led for mainly pc use with non fullscreen appliances. :(
Wow Vincent has given us an exclusive on LG’s OLED TV lineup before the CES started 😮
So they replaced MLA with something even more advanced: 4 stack OLED!
No, they replaced it with something less expensive because they knew that HAD to do something this year to try and get the PRICE of their G-series TVs down. So, taking out MLA allowed them to do that.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 Where are the confirmed prices, are they actually going to be cheaper?
@@michaelbeckerman75320% chance tv is going down in price. LG is gonna enjoy the savings, not the customer.
Glad I bought the G4
why
@ cuz I needed a new tv and bought it for the best deal I’ve seen to date. The G5 will be better but from what it’s looking like only marginally.
@@BigHugeChamp what size and price u get rhe g4 m8?
@ 65” for 2k with free $800 soundbar. I used my student email to sign up for the LG partner store.
Ask other people who own other brands and they would tell you LG had the best remote. The fact you could even program the numbers to individual inputs was/is amazing. Ruined a good thing LG had going for them.
Many people hated that remote including me.
They should’ve kept it identical, just removing the numbers and the glossy plastic
Which one to recommend for daily driver PC use?
0:58 is 1800 not 2400 6x300.
It's or It is, not "is". lol
Is it worth upgrading from a c4 screen to a c5 model? Are there any big differences?
I have a newish 83” & 2 other 77” Sony OLED. These will be my reference quality go-to. I feel like no matter what Sam or LG do w OLED tech. I’m kinda done with it. 2025 and beyond belongs to 100-115” plus 📺 sets. Sports, Streaming is on another level. Unless OLED can be affordable at 100+ size. It’s going to take a back seat.
I think all ready the g5 are on My black friday list i come from a g1
First I think the 48" is the only Thing i miss out on, some 165vbb hertz vs the 55" is for a guess room
The brightness wars are ridiculous. My G2 is too bright in some scenes and I have it turned down.
True HDR can almost never be too bright, because the only thing getting the brightness are the things that really are that bright, so otherwise the screen is never getting that bright. A lot of things we see in TV shows and movies are still nowhere as bright yet on these displays as they really are, and even if we eventually get there, it won't be for a long time yet, and on a future display technology that is probably like 4-5 technologies away. So, we might get there in the next 25-30 years. Also, if you're watching an HDR source and you turn down the brightness, you are doing it wrong, HDR always needs to be set at full brightness at all times or otherwise you'll ruin the HDR experience and might as well at that point just switch back over to SDR.
@@randysalsman6992 my eyes say otherwise. If my eyes squint because it's too bright then it's too bright.
All over the 83" G5 this year, after giving the last two years a miss. That said, I am disappointed about the new remote not shipping to the UK. May look into alternatives.
And let me guess, still no BFI for 120hz...?
Why would you want it, and who really cares about it. Only the people who don't understand it correctly can I see wanting that.
Is there a peak brightness level that once reached would essentially require no additional improvements (outside of efficiency/heat)?
LG needs to stop putting silver bezels on their OLED TVs. It’s supper annoying because the silver reflects the screen and prevents the screen from being immersed into your environment.
Thank you for the updates ❤
Now do 42inch and included color calibration tool and I’m good
I stil use the lg c9 but the picture is a bit to dark for my taste en colors look a bit muted and dull sometimes,motion handeling is not that great either imo.
Maybe it is time to buy an up to date oled now.
Any information on BFI? Will it have 165hz WITH BFI?
Asking the real questions 👍🏻
What's wrong with gsync and free sync??
Little to no benefits with OLED just use vrr like an adult
@@Slitwheel It's not about GSync or FreeSync. BFI brings better motion clarity.
@@MirelRC I have it on the c1 and tbh the reduced brightness and for me eyestrain makes it something I never use, especially since it disables vrr.
Hoping the C6 will get the G5 panel tech - would be a great replacement for my 83" C1.
0:52 Not the math I learned .. or still use today. In most disciplines saying something is 3x (faster, brighter, better) than x, will mean 3*x not x + 3*x.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed that!
i thought this as well
Yeah i was like what?? That math aint mathing
@@CorePixels yeah I think it's just an interpretation problem, he reckons they mean 3x the brightness more than the base. No way if it was 4x AS BRIGHT (which I believe he was interpreting 3x brightER to mean) would LG marketing let go of the opportunity to call it 4x.
Even though not a native speaker I I also raised my eyebrows when he came up with that one. Asked myself wether there has been a difference between „3 times faster 3x100=400“ and „3 times as fast 3x100=100“ all the time and I didn‘t notice 😄
Mine G3 is so bright, when I watch “Dune” I have to wear sunglasses!
3x 600 is 1800 and not 2400 nits
Exactly!😊
The difference between "3 times brighter" and "300% brighter".
Nits is on a logarithmic scale, not a linear scale. For example, 1000 nits is not twice as bright as 500 nits.
You think liner... That's wrong
@ No. It's linear.
Thanks for review 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Not a review bro.
Just a update on new hardware he will be reviewing in about half a year and that will be released at CES
I own the G4 and C2. MLA causes lifted blacks similar to QD OLED. If you have any light in your room present. So if LG can match QD OLED brightness and be competitive with colors... then it will have the better image. Perfect inky blacks and contrast are the key to picture quality. Raised greyish blacks because of QD OLED or MLA is a problem.
Micro lenses and quantum dots both scatter light so yes you have to remove one to get true blacks in light.
Good info. I actually had never heard MLA was raising ambient black levels with light in the room.
@@cajampa It mostly manifests as a red tint like QD OLED but quantum dots raise light more than MLA.
It looks gorgeous. So it’s tandem oled basically, as in the displays they supplied for the new iPad Pro.
I’m still happy with my cx, but if I was shopping for a new tv this would be the one I’d be looking at. Or maybe pick up a g4 with a nice discount. Hmmm.
I wonder if Sony will get the 4 stack woled and if that’s going to be their new flagship oled tv for 2025.
They'll not release until December and then you'll get a 1 year warranty and then the PSU will fail within 6 months.
They will probably use QD-OLED as their flagship OLED. Sony doesn't care about having the most 'nits'. They tend to go for accuracy and QD-OLED has a much better color gamut.
It's sort of looking now like they might just roll with the A95L for an unprecedented third year here in 2025. If they do, that TV will likely win the King of TV shootout again, for a third year in a row. Nothing that we saw introduced from LG or Samsung today will be able to match it.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 I think Sony will release BRAVIA 10 with QD-OLED in march
@@Nothinglastsforever I think you talking about Samsung
So it will great to buy the g4 now though
Dam MLA came went fast , But still Panasonic please move to QD oled .
When are we gettting 32" oled tvs ?
Hopefully never.
I have the g4 77inch and it's already bright enough for me.
Anyone with a G4 does NOT need to buy a G5 lol. The G4 will be future proofed until the G8 or G9 comes out. Technology hasn't been as innovative as it was in the mid to late 2000's. All we are seeing these days are slight improvements to last year's model. Apple products are a perfect example of that.
Well not only that but I noticed Vincent say increased brightness in “filmmaker mode” I HATE filmmaker mode. And find such a better picture with cinema mode or cinema user. Turning brightness enhancer on and dynamic tone mapping or whatever the other dynamic is. Then turning color temp all the way to warm 50. It’s perfect. And so bright with inky blacks.
@jzpat How do you that without voiding the warranty?
Put your hand on the center of the screen when it's on. Why is that the ONLY TV on the market today that runs so incredibly hot like that? It shouldn't. Those run hotter than the old plasma TVs used to. There's no reason for a TV to run that hot in 2024/2025.
@@kuldipsingh366 huh? I didn’t mention anything about warranty.
I'm more interested in the lg b5. I'm on the verge of getting a 65" b4. Wondering what does the b5 bring over the b4.
C5 got a heatsink?
I have been in the market for a new tv since last summer to upgrade my cx starting with the s90d but it wasn't bright enough plus it had issues with my 4090 pc, went with the g4 but it had bad uniformity issues and the center line split that many suffer from so I went s95d because it supposedly fixed the one connect box issues but it didn't and now I'm back with my cx. Genuinely if it wasn't for the uniformity issues I would've kept/went back to the g4 because it was best out if the 3 but if the g5 can fix the center line issue specifically I would gladly choose that because the 15-1700 nits of the g4 and s95d was incredible and I can only imagine the 2500 nits 😎
I've got the center line but I really can't see it in content, maybe mine is much dimmer than others'. I also think that the G4 is already colorful and bright enough, in fact I keep it at 100 nits in SDR and for HDR I always use HGIG when gaming on the 4090. Every time I push the brightness, I realize I just am not one of those people who likes a bright picture. Dim, cinematic, easy on the eyes is the best way to go.
I really can't see myself upgrading from this 83" in at least until something extraordinary comes to the market at 98" size, but I do love following how the tech improves, such a fun hobby! The 165hz and couple of hundred nits extras are pretty much useless incremental upgrades to me, but someone who is upgrading from C1 or C2, this could be a treat. Frankly, I'd be very happy with a 1000 nits HDR already, went a bit overboard with the G4 83". LG's TVs are just that good. And so are the Sony A95L and S95D.
How much is the 97’?
If anything like 2024 it will be around 20k us dollars
More than you can afford pal
@moldyrefrigerator I don't think so, bro.
@@CapitanHarlockisback You didn’t get the movie reference……and you still don’t have $25k-$33k after taxes to spend on a TV.
Would 165Hz native refresh rate help with getting rid of dark image flicker around 120Hz?
48 g5, that's my c1 replacement
Why are they gimping the 48 inch G5 ?
Because a 4th layer is expensive and they can only charge so much money for a 48” tv
@@eliashabash7591 well it's worthless as a g5 then, just get a c5, it's like LG are trying to sucker people in to buying an interior C5 labeled as a G5 with a bigger price tag.
Might as well go for the 48" C5, from the looks of it, the only difference seems to be the processor anyway, since both the panel and refresh rate on the 48" G5 are limited to the same as C5 anyway.
Is this the same "tandem OLED" tech Apple introduced in the M4 iPad Pro?
Not the same
WOLED and QD OLED always had multiple layers. WOLED had 3 layers, and QD OLED had 4.
However, the tandem OLED tech is described like two OLED panels stacked on top of eachother, rather than using multiple layers for the OLED light
Most of us use soundbars or AV receivers, do the features that interfere with the sound quality of TVs (including artificial intelligence) work with eArc connection? Or are these for ordinary users?
If I had to make an educated guess I would say that none of those feature are going to affect audio passthrough as that would defeat the purpose of having a dedicated and calibrated sound system.
Based on my experience with a C1 where none of the features meant for the TV speakers work with my LG Soundbar (which you might not expect seeing as it is from the same brand), I don't see why this should change with these newer models.
@@Melarancida My guess is that these features do not work on additional hardware. "11.2.2 channel sound" Even receivers that do this are close to a thousand dollars in price, TV brands continue to phishing people.
No MLA for 2025 might work fine with this alternative set up, wait and see but he’s saying it’s much brighter three times which sounds a bit exaggerated to achieve over one year. That simpler remote is made cheaper to reduce costs and so is the MLA omission. Do you buy next year for much more brightness or buy the G4 now because it is already plenty bright no need to torch the screen with brightness that doesn’t add colour saturation. It sounds the QC is going backwards.
Now bring back 120 Hz black frame insertion and we are golden.
Why there's not really a benefit with OLED panels
@@AndrewB23The why not just add the feature and let 99% of people keep it disabled?
@@AndrewB23 yeah there is...its about motion clarity....
@@DeceniumIt already is clear lol, it's OLED
It’s gone, the BFI extra circuitry reduced brightness on WOLEDs because it’s a bottom emission tech.
I wonder, if LG has profited from providing dual layer OLED panels for the M4 iPad
No one wants AI on a tv, no one is using a chatbot
They implement AI because it's trendy nowadays. 😂
I use chatbot but will never use it on a TV
All the AI features on my G4 are turned completely off I don't know what they do what they should be doing what they would be doing I'm just really not interested and I don't hear anyone saying I should turn them on
Oh, yes, they will. Now, they may not be using this year's implementation of it on the 2025 models, of course, but very soon integrated VOICE enabled chatbot inclusion will become one of the most important and sought-after features on any new TV. By 2026 you likely won't even consider buying a TV without that feature. We already know that Google will be doing a full implementation of Gemini on the GoogleTV platform here some time in Q1 of 2025.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 The truth is it will be implemented with the False Media that everyone wants and demands it.
Afraid of missing out syndrome.
2025 is going to be insane❤
Who in the world would pay LG to generate AI images on their TV? That's just weird.
They wouldn't, especially since Google already now allows you to do that for free on the latest update to GoogleTV.
Elon musk fans (tech bros)
@waterfalls2000 I mean come on, even those guys know you can generate free images with the news tab on Windows, Bing Copilot, or apps like Stable Diffusion. All of those are free and easier to move the files. How do I even move a file off a TV? And if I were really that desperate I could just get one of the millions of free phone apps. Hell even Deviantart, the antichrist himself, has a free generator.
Why are there a lot of missing features on 97"???
The only thing missing on these displays now is a Displayport connection for a more proper PC connection.
Never gonna happen
@@drunksquirrel2051 Well, it should! HDMI 2.1 only gets you so far after all.
I own a G2 that I use daily as a monitor and no worries, so unless you do a lot of document processing for 8 hours straight each day (at which point even OLED monitors are not suitable) than it should be fine.
But yeah... most likely never gonna happen. Still I just wanted to shout out to LG if they are reading along. 👍
HDMI 2.2 is coming to compete with DP 2.1, they never gonna use DP on TV
Hoping for a sweet deal on a G4 clearance sale
The zero connect box is a huge fail. Definitely will be avoiding that product line forever as we've seen how disappointing it is with Samsung's connect box on its flagship oled's
6:28 wait, I'm Italian and this is the first time I hear of this. I have an older LG TV with a magic remote (the one that's "organic shaped", for a lack of a better description), and a slightly newer Samsung TV and neither have number pads. Bith have a "123" button that brings up a numpad on screen.
Side note, it's nice with the LG remote as it has a cursor, annoying on the Samsung one as you have to click-click-click a million times lol.
Fine. No more MLA. Great.. as long as they pass the manufacturing savings on to the consumer!!! 🎉
Ha! It’s to Increase their profit margins. Not to do us any favors.
Mla was incredibly expensive to produce and they only made it because their hand was forced.
But the 4th layer panel isnt cheap by any means
I would prefer that LG Display use that money to start to retire its mountain of debt instead of passing the savings to the consumer. LG Display has lost lots of money over many years, driving it into deep debt. LG Electronics is the lender for much of the debt, so it needs to help LG Display retire that debt. Once LG Electronics is paid back its loan, it could afford to buy QD-OLED panels from Samsung Display without risking an LG Display bankruptcy that could ruin LG Electronics’s finances due to having its massive loan go bad.
@@jnvivian “you’d prefer”?? How does LG’s financials or debt affect you directly? As a commoner, their debt shouldn’t really concern us, should it? Btw, LG is getting more from selling your personal info and viewing habits than they make off TVs anyway. So yeah..
@@MattyDaddy14 If LG Display goes bankrupt, OLED panel prices would go up a lot because either Samsung Display would become an OLED monopolist or we would have a duopoly between Samsung Display’s QD-OLED and TCL CSOT’s inkjet printed OLED. Sure, there is a duopoly now between Samsung Display’s QD-OLED and LG Display’s WOLED, but three competitors would be better than two.
Will this 4-stack tech arrive at monitors as well?