Ugh the whole case with Pristin and CLC make me so mad!! Pristin had so much potential and they were gaining popularity really fast, pledis seriously doesn't know how to manage their groups. I feel so bad for Kulkyung. Cube I'm looking at you too. These Kpop companies are horrible!!
Stellar deserved so much. Being super sexualized only to disband because your company is basically bored of you and blame you for their poor actions breaks my heart.
Okay but the fact that companies don’t want idols dating because it hurts the idea of the idols being available is so weird to me. Like I love bts but I never once thought “I want them to be available”. Like it might be that I’m a lesbian but I feel like either way that thought process is incredibly toxic and companies shouldn’t feed into it.
This is how the market works. Is it OK? No. This includes in western marketing typically with boy bands. They sell the idea of boyfriend. I’m not saying this with everyone but with teenage girls they have this idea that they are the perfect man. And K-pop CEOs have admitted that this is what they’re selling that they cater towards this idea. This is why companies should normalize dating, fans shouldn’t feel like they own their idols.
Dont ever hate when a member leaves a group or takes a Hiatus to take care of their health. If an idol complains, they are right and brave to say outloud their pains. Not matter how much they are famous and rich, any artist in music industry everywhere can be mistreated/mismanaged/controlled, like Britney case. And not only companies & managers, the places they perform might be dangerous to them like Momoland leak and Red Velvet accident.
How TS Entertainment is still even in business is beyond me. They've had so many issues, and I'll never forgive them for what they did to Secret or Sonamoo.
I'm so proud of Hyuna for choosing her relationship and happiness over a toxic company that was leeching of her. Also I remember Minhee of Stellar getting groped by a backup dancer on stage and no action was taken. The incident was recorded but no follow up was done. Their company didn't cared at all about them.
Kris' case must be the biggest hypocrisy by now. Him treating other people like objects and doing so many wrongs with them despite being a victim of harsh treatment himself just makes his actions so much more severe.
I still remember back then when a lot of people were straight up being racist/xenophobic towards the Chinese Kpop idols who, mostly, just couldn't stand their companies' appalling inhumane treatment towards them and sought out more tolerable working conditions/contracts back in their home country. So many people were saying "oh they're so ungrateful and greedy! they abandoned their members and breached their contracts!" Well how about having more respect towards their basic human rights??? It's not like Tao would know from the very beginning that SM would be so cruel to the point of ignoring his multiple old/new injuries and basically not treating him like a human being. Of course he would assume that a highly developed country like South Korea would have stronger occupational health and safety laws than this - which is NOTHING. Basically non-existent. Korean companies could literally get away with almost killing RV's Wendy on stage. You think they wouldn't get away with overworking Tao to death and then blaming it all on his own inability to recover from his injuries? Even Kyulhyung's situation may be less black and white than some people would assume. Yes she breached her new contract which she just extended not long ago, but none of us really know what her (evil) company Pledis and its lawyers had sneaked into the new contract to screw her over. Kyulhyung was clearly implying in her message that she didn't know that she would not even be allowed to film dramas and variety shows in China. Pledis thinks they OWN her while it's clear that she doesn't even need Pledis to be successful. Pledis needs her, but they're just letting her and their other idols' talents and beauty rotting away under its perpetual mismanagement. You think Pledis would have anything better for her and her group to do when she's shooting dramas alone in China? Obviously not. What has this company ever done right to any of its idols, especially its girlgroups??? Everyone has the basic right to choose their safety/health/happiness over those of others. So many Korean idols got screwed over by their companies and and had nowhere to run. Some of them ended up killing themselves, or just completely left the entertainment industry. So I don't get why some people are so damn salty over the fact that those Chinese Kpop idols do have to place to go where they're not as overworked, bullied and exploited in other ways by their inhumane and low-key xenophobic Kpop companies. (I suspect SM has always been racist towards its foreign idols. Even now they would still be randomly rude to its Chinese NCT members just because they can. SM's staff used to cut off Renjun/Chenle and say "don't talk about winwin" when they were just doing vlive and chatting. I know that, for a time, WayV was not considered a part of NCT. But why tf can't they even mention their friend Winwin's name? Is winwin like Voldemort or something?)
you made me feel EXTREMELY OLD during the exo chinaline segment. “believe it or not, kiddos, there were 12???? and units????? let’s travel back...” i mean, holy crap, exo-l wasn’t even a thing yet. wow.
@@mnemosyneforgetsnemesis5132 back at that time (OT12), EXO-L used EXOtics / EXOstans as EXO fanbase name (unofficial). The name EXO-L was oficially given after Kris left EXO
Content creators nowadays are only aware of 3rd to 4thGen groups and news. I rarely see videos that include 1st or even 2nd Gen. But you can try DareDB.
Yeah, TVXQ was pretty big with 2nd gen fans. Same with SJ’s Hangeng. They preceded EXO’s lawsuits, so seeing them mentioned in a Part 2 would be nice. It also shows just how problematic SM has been in the past when it comes to taking care of their idols. (I know many companies mistreat them, but SM has had a lot of lawsuits, and they are one of the more visible companies, being in the Big 3.)
She lit said there was a time exo were 12 as if it were decades ago..so yup doubt they know about earlier idols..I mean they left out Jessica leaving snsd and it lit happened about the same time as kris lawsuit.
Vouch. Used to be an EXO stan around 2012-2014 and BAP was the second group that I wholeheartedly support because their music and concept was so cool. When I left the fandom (thank god, cuz that was not a healthy commitment for me), I later on found out 5 years later what happened to BAP and I'm just sad for them. :(
A Part 2 would be much appreciated. Perhaps cover some of the earlier lawsuits and/or controversies that occurred with 2nd generation groups. To add to SM’s list of lawsuits, there’s the lawsuit filed against them by TVXQ’s JYJ trio, and Super Junior’s Hangeng also filed a lawsuit against the company for poor treatment.
every time i see a video like this I know exo would be in this I always get so sad when I hear it but then I get happy due to the fact of how successful the 2 are without SM
@@layciehazel6305 exactly!! like theres some fans who are like I miss ot12 but don’t support the other 3s solo work I don’t get it and theres ppl who are OT9 but don’t support lays solo I just don’t get it
@@ultsalmas they aren't exols then, they don't qualify. exols are not built to actively hate someone they were not actively hurt by. they only biased stans, like, what did those poor boys do to you? they were only looking out for themselves, and the decisions they make are none of our business really.
The fact that Tao lost his case drives me crazy. He really deserved better Gayoun/Stellar situation is absolutely bullshit. It reminds me of what happened to Jang Jayeon, the lead actress of Boys Over Flowers. Why are there so many GROSS men/managers in music, not just in KR but all over the world??
This video made a mistake Tao lost the lawsuit where he paid sm the money he owed after using sm company card to buy designer clothes and other expensive items but he settled and got a similar deal as Kris and Luhan .
Now with Kris being arrested it's hard to watch chuang's videos, but knowing Tao and Luhan was happy when recording I'll watch it every now and then, and support them where i can. It's horrible to know how SM treated them, and hearing only the 4 chinese was treated as such is horrible, so when Tao's contract end in 2022 i'm sure he'll celebrate
I remember when that Stellar comeback released... I was so disgusted, because I FELT that something was wrong. And I see now, the severe manipulation those girls went through is horrific. I hope they can heal
Stellar's story is the exact reason why I continue to complain about the girl group woo!ah being made to do some very questionable tiktoks and tiktok challenges. Three of the members are still under 18 (international age), the 4th just turned 18 in February and the leader (the oldesr) just turned 20. It just makes me wonder if they end up having to live with some of the things they're made to do, for the rest of their careers.
I've even had other woo!ah fans (probably kids) tell me "they're just having fun. It's not a big deal" but these things clearly are in places like Korea, where they live.
tbh a lot of companies are bad... Especially JYPE, CUBE, and SM. They use there artists for clout and shit. They don't really care about them... I forgot the group name, but there was a group that was hella mistreated by there company, they literally had to beg there fans not to buy any of the stuff from there company so they can disband... It just pisses me off when the groups I stan are getting mistreated.....
KrisTaoHan's situation made me tear up. EXO is the first ever group I stan and love. I hate SM for treating idols unfairly and for other reasons. I hope KrisTaoHan are doing well, and prosper even more. OT12 will forever remain. ❤
In Korea it's a matter of who's more powerful. Plus the government is very corrupt so as long as companies can bribe them they'll gladly be unfair to the idols
If you watch enough Korean drama you will be able to predict how it works: the higher ups are getting together over some fancy meal and calling in favors while wearing the fake smile。 The quintessential point is that it's happening in real life
@@cherryblossom7120 true, that's why i felt like Dawn fucked up Pentagon when he left cuz Shine was really popular and as soon as he left it felt like Shine didn't even exist and Pentagon just went downhill.
@@shotanextdoor he didn’t fuck anything, so your saying being a normal human ruined pentagon?? Also pentagon has been doing , they even got their 1st win despite the rough road so 👏🏼
@@B34RXO Pentagon were still rookies in 2018, that was also the time hyuna/dawn outed themselves, and we don't know how long it was going on during those days. The timing of the relationship was too early to begin with, dawn should had been focusing on his career, he wasn't a seasoned idol yet. He didn't sacrifice his youth to train and debut only to leave after two years because he wanted to date an A list celebrity like hyuna. When you signed into a kpop company, your in debt with a lot of money that the company invested in your training, and two years is not enough to cover that, and I bet hyuna helped him pay it off. It took Pentagon 4 years for their first win, and one member had to go away for military service, it wasn't easy on them, and they shouldn't have had to hide the hyuna/dawn secret. To me it looked like dawn was rewarded, he's got a solo career, a girlfriend, new company, the whole situation was very sus to me.
@@B34RXO yes. the "rough road" he caused 🤦♀️ They got their FIRST win now and theyve been a group for 4 YEARS, with Shine they couldve swept the fucking charts and it pains me to see that. I'm not shitting on him for being a human and having emotions but if other idols can keep their relationships private, why couldn't he or even they?? He was a rookie at that time, isn't it kinda stupid to debut and then imediatelly have a relationship with a senior idol in his company AND as a cherry on top, make that whole thing public? i don't care tbh, he knew what he was doing and he knew the consequences, yet he did exactly that. I'm not hating on him nor Hyuna nor Pentagon, i'm just choosing to not like the choices he made, that is all.
You forgot one minor detail about Kris and luhan. Yes they are free to do as they wish but its not for free, one of the conditions is that they have to share a small % of their profits with SM until their contract ends. Just because sm let them doesnt mean it was for free. They stipulated that they had to share a % of their earning with sm until their contract is up
seeing the 3 on the Chinese version of produce 101 made us all so happy after everything they went through ;; now it can be hard seeing the clips with kris' sentences, but remembering their joy was everything
JYPE is whack for the response about Jay. Wtf you just expect him to not sing, dance and rap anymore with any other company just cus it didn’t work out with y’all?? Y’all got rid of him after you found comments of his when he was a foreign trainee with nothing to hold onto over there. I understand it was disrespectful but he was a young young man in a new environment. I’m sure some Koreans and any other ethnicity would say the same things or other things just as disrespectful if they were in a new place with literally nothing but their things and their own language. But whatevs. Jay is in a good spot for the crap he went thru back then
Seriously i feel so terrible for Stellar. I love how immaculate their music quality was I could see them being successful had the images were focused more on the sensual sides (Sting, Mask, Crying) instead of hyper sexualizing the members (Vibrato, Marionette, these songs are still some of the strongest Kpop tunes till this day btw) The whole time I was tryna convince myself that they chose to embrace their sexuality and womanhood so being a little (a whole lot actually) racy and provocative wouldn’t be too bad. But after Gayoung confirmed herself, it’s clear as day that the members did not have a say in choosing these concepts and outfits
The other problem that she didn't talk about between Kris, Tao and Luhan lawsuit was not ONLY was the Chinese members Treated like robots then human beings but SM entertainment were actually discriminated against the three the filed the Lawsuit Against their company but SM entertainment lost A LOT of stock during that time and not ONLY were South Koreans were pissed but A LOT of international fans were REALLY pissed and gotten SM entertainment stock market to fall by A LOT I didn't know a lot about Jake park lawsuit against JYP entertainment but I know that JYP "used" To have their business here in the United States but maybe after what happened with the lawsuit against SM entertainment I heard that JYP were going to closed their doors in the US I'm not sure you all I heard they not doing that well in the United States but I'm not sure about that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I specifically wanted a video that I could half listen/ half watch while testing my new hair curler and then I see you uploaded! Perfect timing! (Also it took 18 min and 3 sec to curl my hair SO THE VIDEO WAS ALSO THE PERFECT LENGTH too lol)
Until this day I think there is no case equal as JYJ's. When they left SM for slave contract they where banned from everywhere in Korea. Even these days they still can't appear in the biggest broadcasting stations because if they do SM will not allow their artists to go there anymore. It's been more than 10 years!! It's so unfair. They where one of the first of taking legal action aginst their former company and even when they did win, many doors closed for them. The big companies wanted to make an example out of them: "look what will happen to you if you ever betray me". Luckily still they are among the richiest and most talented idols from second generation.
Considering how clc was treated, im honestly worried about (g)i-dle now theres a new cube girl group. Cube only seems to be able to manage one group at a time. Also Soojin's latest scandal will make it worse.
A part two would be great, but let me clarify something real quick: the fans are caught in between everything. We know that the big thing about these companies is finances and getting rich off the hard work of the groups they “manage” (notice the quotation marks around that word). We love our idols and we want them safe; we are truly on the idol’s side of this argument, but we know the reality of it all. If we do not buy their merchandise and music, the companies will abuse and disband our favorite groups, thus crushing the boys and girls their dreams of being performers and denying the fan’s what we desire most while blaming the idols for the company’s horrible acts. We also know that, as consumers and fans, every single penny that we give to the company to purchase any merchandise is a chink in the armor of our own groups and empowers the companies to continue their ruthless behaviors with our very loved boys and girls. But we ALSO know that if we don’t support them, it is still a chink in the armor of our favorite groups. The companies will not promote or financially care for them. The companies will even go so far as to deny them basic human rights and needs. Our beloved idols, our boys and girls, will live in squalor and be forced to do things that are not just unhealthy or wrong, but downright immoral and degrading. See the conundrum??? We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t as fans. We want to see our lovely idols live their dream and we want to enjoy their successes, but we know by helping them do that we are “punishing“ them even more so under the cruel hands of these management companies. For me, it becomes extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY painful when we speak on the trials of EXO. EXO will always be the 12 loves of my life and I will always support them no matter where they go in their collective and individual careers. Watching the hell SM put them through, to the point where there was infighting within the group, makes me sick to my stomach. They literally pitted the boys against each other; some of it being racially referenced. Chinese against Korean is the evil seed planted in that group and SM should be ashamed of themselves, but they are not. Even the lawyers that those kids hire to help them out are actually lawyers FOR the big companies, so most of the time the idols lose because the lawyers are really on the companies’ payroll and side. I believe that is what happened to Tao, as both Kris and Luhan had their families seek out lawyers for them, if I am correct. Tao was assigned legal counsel. Please know that we fans are at a loss of what to do, but we want our idols to be treated fairly and respectfully.
It's so sad that there are so many people willing to exploit young (&naive) people over their dreams. Take for example TVXQ/JYJ or the 2 brothers of the Eastlight, for me personally the 2 biggest scandals.
Basically majority of the company and organisation in the world doesn't care about your individual needs. It is not worth it to sacrifice your life for the company.
Not gonna lie when Kyulkyung was going through her issues with Pledis, I was wondering why she was so active in China and how that could effect her contract rules and whatnot. Whoa
Their Contracts are not good even for artist in America contracts are unreasonable I hope people can get a LAWYER to help them READ a CONTRACT and see if they can get a copy of It to extend the date to have it returned. At the end of the day you be come a brand and companies are going to make money so you better get a high percentage!
It seems to me that they’re just little slaves albeit glamorous ones but nonetheless slaves.they are making a ton of money for their bosses. It’s exploitation at it’s worse
exploitation has been the definition of success since the slaves built the pyramid. you'd think in the social media/information age people would wise up but no, you literally need to benefit from the hard work people do under you (while they barely benefit) to become successful. youd think those woke cancel culture kids would try to cancel the injustices that go on there but they stream it by the billions.
I was so pissed about what happened to hyuna (and all the stuff and dances cube made her do when she was a minor) and dawn but now they’re so where where they can flourish
when its come to lawsuit and idol spoke out and stand up for themselves this video should have start with jyj which consist of jaejoong , junsu and yuchuns lawsuit against sm was the biggest lawsuit ever happened in kpop industry and its changed both fandom and kpop industry . tvxq were mistreated and they were under slave contract thats why these three stand up and win the lawsuit but because of them the legal contract for kpop idols are now 7 years which is really good because after 7 years you can decide to leave or still in the company. but what alot of people dont know is that,even their own fans and media called them as traitor, guilty and more . jaejoong , junsu , yuchun, yunho and changmin got alot of hate but jyj suffered more due to backlist from sm they can't promote their songs ON TV shows and couldn't even do concert in korean so they have to promote in western which is really hard market for asian at that time. the hardship and difficulties they got from sm is so big that they try so hard to overcome all of that with the three of them. and shame on sm for losing two biggest and talented artists xia junsu and hero jaejoong. these two are the real artist along with iu. if you want to know what i mean you can search about their music they made after they leave sm even when they were in sm junsu and jaejoong were the best vocalists, dancer and visual junsu made alot of choreography of their group songs and jeajoong wrote songs for them. and junsu and jaejoong had really bad childhood which make me even respect them now both of them are really rich and jaejoong is the 2nd richest kpop idol （1st being jyp ）sorry for my english i can't say more than this anymore because of my limited english i wish newer kpop fan would search about tvxq/ jyj history and get inspiration from junsu and jaejoong.
while CLC is my second-favorite female kpop group, i do not blame Elkie one bit for standing up against the crap CUBE put CLC through / it does seem that SM really work their artists beyond what's normal or contractual / mature concept aside, i really liked Stella and was a definite fan, but their management agency is crap / from what i have come to learn and understand since becoming a kpop fan, way too many of the people seeking to be an idol come into it with their hearts open, but their hearts and minds closed....and there are way too many 'sharks' in the kpop world that prey on these vulnerable people....the Korean government should come up with a thorough system to review and background check anyone trying to start a management agency, including if they have the proper funds and resources to properly manage, promote, support, and take care of a group of individual artist(s) because the things and crap that these artists have to go through is in many cases, in my opinion, inhuman....
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the Stellar case it's so sad ..
Me too
Ugh the whole case with Pristin and CLC make me so mad!! Pristin had so much potential and they were gaining popularity really fast, pledis seriously doesn't know how to manage their groups. I feel so bad for Kulkyung. Cube I'm looking at you too. These Kpop companies are horrible!!
I loved Kyulkung
Fr ugh 🤦🏻♀️
pristin could’ve been BIG BIG. but since pledis doesn’t know how to handle ggs they basically just left them in the dungeon and forgot about them
I still can't understand how Pledis and CUBE decided to not pay attention to what could've been some HUGE names in the kpop industry
Cube lol remember what they did to hyuna?
Stellar deserved so much. Being super sexualized only to disband because your company is basically bored of you and blame you for their poor actions breaks my heart.
Okay but the fact that companies don’t want idols dating because it hurts the idea of the idols being available is so weird to me. Like I love bts but I never once thought “I want them to be available”. Like it might be that I’m a lesbian but I feel like either way that thought process is incredibly toxic and companies shouldn’t feed into it.
It’s literally part of the reason why so many sasaengs exist.
This is how the market works. Is it OK? No. This includes in western marketing typically with boy bands. They sell the idea of boyfriend. I’m not saying this with everyone but with teenage girls they have this idea that they are the perfect man. And K-pop CEOs have admitted that this is what they’re selling that they cater towards this idea. This is why companies should normalize dating, fans shouldn’t feel like they own their idols.
Idols are basically employees, you can't stop your employee from dating.
@@mlpmlpmlpmlp1 If you sign a contract they can. Also if you do date there’s has been idols that was had been kicked out of their company or group.
@@glowinluna5742 really? Cuz I thought we Americans love when celebrities get together. I guess I'm the only one
Dont ever hate when a member leaves a group or takes a Hiatus to take care of their health. If an idol complains, they are right and brave to say outloud their pains.
Not matter how much they are famous and rich, any artist in music industry everywhere can be mistreated/mismanaged/controlled, like Britney case.
And not only companies & managers, the places they perform might be dangerous to them like Momoland leak and Red Velvet accident.
I agree with you
How TS Entertainment is still even in business is beyond me. They've had so many issues, and I'll never forgive them for what they did to Secret or Sonamoo.
Not forgetting BAP
@@j14y1ng ESPECIALLY BAP. So much potential, squandered.
BAP too, they had the potential to be as big as BTS with so many talented members.
And trcng
I will never forgive them for what they've done to all their groups. Bap, secret, sonamoo, trcng!
I'm so proud of Hyuna for choosing her relationship and happiness over a toxic company that was leeching of her.
Also I remember Minhee of Stellar getting groped by a backup dancer on stage and no action was taken. The incident was recorded but no follow up was done. Their company didn't cared at all about them.
Yes we would like a part 2
^^
yes.
yes!!
Kris' case must be the biggest hypocrisy by now. Him treating other people like objects and doing so many wrongs with them despite being a victim of harsh treatment himself just makes his actions so much more severe.
at least one member from every ts entertainment group has sued the company, they are for me one of the worst companies in the industry
This is why I couldn't bring myself to stan TRCNG and look at them now. Poor kids.
I hope the rest of Sonamoo gets out of there asap
Notice how all of these were either cube or pledis, or Pascal and SM?
Huh also Pascal ent and SM
@@heart-iz yes! Thank you!
@@Reumixxx np! I'm just really salty about how Pascal treated Stellar so I had to point it out😣
@@heart-iz yes! I know. That was wrong.
And FNC
I still remember back then when a lot of people were straight up being racist/xenophobic towards the Chinese Kpop idols who, mostly, just couldn't stand their companies' appalling inhumane treatment towards them and sought out more tolerable working conditions/contracts back in their home country.
So many people were saying "oh they're so ungrateful and greedy! they abandoned their members and breached their contracts!" Well how about having more respect towards their basic human rights???
It's not like Tao would know from the very beginning that SM would be so cruel to the point of ignoring his multiple old/new injuries and basically not treating him like a human being. Of course he would assume that a highly developed country like South Korea would have stronger occupational health and safety laws than this - which is NOTHING. Basically non-existent.
Korean companies could literally get away with almost killing RV's Wendy on stage. You think they wouldn't get away with overworking Tao to death and then blaming it all on his own inability to recover from his injuries?
Even Kyulhyung's situation may be less black and white than some people would assume. Yes she breached her new contract which she just extended not long ago, but none of us really know what her (evil) company Pledis and its lawyers had sneaked into the new contract to screw her over.
Kyulhyung was clearly implying in her message that she didn't know that she would not even be allowed to film dramas and variety shows in China. Pledis thinks they OWN her while it's clear that she doesn't even need Pledis to be successful. Pledis needs her, but they're just letting her and their other idols' talents and beauty rotting away under its perpetual mismanagement.
You think Pledis would have anything better for her and her group to do when she's shooting dramas alone in China? Obviously not. What has this company ever done right to any of its idols, especially its girlgroups???
Everyone has the basic right to choose their safety/health/happiness over those of others. So many Korean idols got screwed over by their companies and and had nowhere to run. Some of them ended up killing themselves, or just completely left the entertainment industry.
So I don't get why some people are so damn salty over the fact that those Chinese Kpop idols do have to place to go where they're not as overworked, bullied and exploited in other ways by their inhumane and low-key xenophobic Kpop companies.
(I suspect SM has always been racist towards its foreign idols. Even now they would still be randomly rude to its Chinese NCT members just because they can. SM's staff used to cut off Renjun/Chenle and say "don't talk about winwin" when they were just doing vlive and chatting.
I know that, for a time, WayV was not considered a part of NCT. But why tf can't they even mention their friend Winwin's name? Is winwin like Voldemort or something?)
Voldemort... Sorry but I'm laughing
Preach!
Latest Example of foreign idols not being treated right: g999
@@perrytheplatypus699 what they did to Cai bing was criminal, she should have debuted
you made me feel EXTREMELY OLD during the exo chinaline segment. “believe it or not, kiddos, there were 12???? and units????? let’s travel back...” i mean, holy crap, exo-l wasn’t even a thing yet. wow.
Exo-L already existed at that time
@@mnemosyneforgetsnemesis5132 back at that time (OT12), EXO-L used EXOtics / EXOstans as EXO fanbase name (unofficial). The name EXO-L was oficially given after Kris left EXO
I miss the exotics days 😭😭
@@kimjongdaeloml3237 I don't know why but i wish they'd have stuck with exotics💀😭😭
Dang :') Now my memories of being an OT12 stan are flooding in again haha
Surprised TVXQ didn’t come up with everything that happen with SM and JYJ
Content creators nowadays are only aware of 3rd to 4thGen groups and news. I rarely see videos that include 1st or even 2nd Gen. But you can try DareDB.
She can put it in part 2 if people request it. She can also do one on H.O.T. and how they disbanded.
Yeah, TVXQ was pretty big with 2nd gen fans. Same with SJ’s Hangeng. They preceded EXO’s lawsuits, so seeing them mentioned in a Part 2 would be nice. It also shows just how problematic SM has been in the past when it comes to taking care of their idols. (I know many companies mistreat them, but SM has had a lot of lawsuits, and they are one of the more visible companies, being in the Big 3.)
She lit said there was a time exo were 12 as if it were decades ago..so yup doubt they know about earlier idols..I mean they left out Jessica leaving snsd and it lit happened about the same time as kris lawsuit.
your voice is literally so comforting 😔
TS SHIT is problematic. B.A.P was once one of the best boy group in Kpop industry together with EXO.
They have potential girl group too (secret, sonamoo) also trcng is a good bou group too
Literally members of every group of theirs has made a lawsuit against them their behavior is unbelievable
Nobody from TS came out unscathed
I’m still salty about BAP
Vouch. Used to be an EXO stan around 2012-2014 and BAP was the second group that I wholeheartedly support because their music and concept was so cool. When I left the fandom (thank god, cuz that was not a healthy commitment for me), I later on found out 5 years later what happened to BAP and I'm just sad for them. :(
Hyuna’s and Dawn’s situation is so infuriating because of the delusional fans that also saw this as some kind of betrayal 🙄
A Part 2 would be much appreciated. Perhaps cover some of the earlier lawsuits and/or controversies that occurred with 2nd generation groups. To add to SM’s list of lawsuits, there’s the lawsuit filed against them by TVXQ’s JYJ trio, and Super Junior’s Hangeng also filed a lawsuit against the company for poor treatment.
Most annoying part how can dating be bad I don't understand. Everyone has right to love.
It spoils the illusion that you can get with your idol.
every time i see a video like this I know exo would be in this I always get so sad when I hear it but then I get happy due to the fact of how successful the 2 are without SM
@OnePro1 I listen to their music I really love their works !!
@@ultsalmas same, i follow their stuff and listen to their music too! they're all so talented, just like their bros
@@layciehazel6305 exactly!! like theres some fans who are like I miss ot12 but don’t support the other 3s solo work I don’t get it and theres ppl who are OT9 but don’t support lays solo I just don’t get it
@@ultsalmas they aren't exols then, they don't qualify. exols are not built to actively hate someone they were not actively hurt by. they only biased stans, like, what did those poor boys do to you? they were only looking out for themselves, and the decisions they make are none of our business really.
In conclusion: pledis and cube can burn
🔥🔥🔥🔥
The fact that Tao lost his case drives me crazy. He really deserved better
Gayoun/Stellar situation is absolutely bullshit. It reminds me of what happened to Jang Jayeon, the lead actress of Boys Over Flowers. Why are there so many GROSS men/managers in music, not just in KR but all over the world??
This video made a mistake Tao lost the lawsuit where he paid sm the money he owed after using sm company card to buy designer clothes and other expensive items but he settled and got a similar deal as Kris and Luhan .
About the chinese exo members: It is rumored, that they will be back again during chuang 2021 (the continuation of the show mentioned in the video)
Now with Kris being arrested it's hard to watch chuang's videos, but knowing Tao and Luhan was happy when recording I'll watch it every now and then, and support them where i can. It's horrible to know how SM treated them, and hearing only the 4 chinese was treated as such is horrible, so when Tao's contract end in 2022 i'm sure he'll celebrate
I remember when that Stellar comeback released... I was so disgusted, because I FELT that something was wrong. And I see now, the severe manipulation those girls went through is horrific. I hope they can heal
I freaking love your videos, omfg. they affect me in a comfortable way.
Wish CLC would move over to another label. Like P Nation or something
That would be awesome. They'd be reunited with Hyuna.
Let's just put all cube ent. Idols to P nation!:D
@@cheshxre yeah agreed then cube will cry because he will lose all of his idols
Stellar's story is the exact reason why I continue to complain about the girl group woo!ah being made to do some very questionable tiktoks and tiktok challenges. Three of the members are still under 18 (international age), the 4th just turned 18 in February and the leader (the oldesr) just turned 20.
It just makes me wonder if they end up having to live with some of the things they're made to do, for the rest of their careers.
I've even had other woo!ah fans (probably kids) tell me "they're just having fun. It's not a big deal" but these things clearly are in places like Korea, where they live.
what tiktok videos?
Please never stop making videos. They're so informative, well voiced and well edited. It's.. Simply perfect
I think the biggest mistake with CLC is they didn’t wait and do it as one.
And I miss Hyuna’s red hair.
tbh a lot of companies are bad... Especially JYPE, CUBE, and SM. They use there artists for clout and shit. They don't really care about them... I forgot the group name, but there was a group that was hella mistreated by there company, they literally had to beg there fans not to buy any of the stuff from there company so they can disband...
It just pisses me off when the groups I stan are getting mistreated.....
That one was Stellar
@@hafsamiller1758 no im taking about this boy group...
@@Sarah-ug8nn b.a.p?
@@denisetovias122 maybe. i knw for fact it was from TS entertainment
@@Sarah-ug8nn then, it's bap
EPISODE TWOOOO... we need it!!
God I just want to see kyulkyung perform as an idol at least once. I really miss her.
Definitely this needs a part 2, as there's so many more stories.
KrisTaoHan's situation made me tear up. EXO is the first ever group I stan and love. I hate SM for treating idols unfairly and for other reasons.
I hope KrisTaoHan are doing well, and prosper even more. OT12 will forever remain. ❤
Ot11
OT11 now since we found out about Kris :(
Kris groomed teenagers so he can burn in hell, OT11 though, Tao and Han deserved so much better
Part two TS electric bogaloo please. It seems like every group of them has talked against them!
Disgusting how the CEO kept lying even through Gayoung showed how she STILL SUFFERS hate and she is chased by creepers
TShit is the worst of the worst, they have so many amazing group (Secret, B.a.p, sonamoo and TRCNG) but they ruined them 🤬🤬
Emotional, mental, and physical abuse 😞 they didn’t treat their idols as people
I'm really happy for HyunA and Dawn. Also they're a great example of Idols who date AND are still successful as artist with a lot of loyal fans. 🙏🏻
Please make a Part 2 with Daisy and MLD entertainment and BAP also with TS Entertainment
didnt like BLOCK B have problem and sued the company they was in first too?
“They have to promote under SM until 2022”
Me: *laughs in 2022*
ik this is off topic but i really appreciate your editing and how you arrange the video smoothly + appealing
How the government lets companies Blacklist idols that leave or sue contract violations???????????????
In Korea it's a matter of who's more powerful. Plus the government is very corrupt so as long as companies can bribe them they'll gladly be unfair to the idols
If you watch enough Korean drama you will be able to predict how it works: the higher ups are getting together over some fancy meal and calling in favors while wearing the fake smile。 The quintessential point is that it's happening in real life
Money
Awkwardly watches Kris’s part.
i’m just so so happy for dawn and hyuna! true love can’t get destroyed, especially not bc of a stupid company
Although love can make you do poor decision making, keep your emotions apart from business.
@@cherryblossom7120 true, that's why i felt like Dawn fucked up Pentagon when he left cuz Shine was really popular and as soon as he left it felt like Shine didn't even exist and Pentagon just went downhill.
@@shotanextdoor he didn’t fuck anything, so your saying being a normal human ruined pentagon?? Also pentagon has been doing , they even got their 1st win despite the rough road so 👏🏼
@@B34RXO
Pentagon were still rookies in 2018, that was also the time hyuna/dawn outed themselves, and we don't know how long it was going on during those days. The timing of the relationship was too early to begin with, dawn should had been focusing on his career, he wasn't a seasoned idol yet. He didn't sacrifice his youth to train and debut only to leave after two years because he wanted to date an A list celebrity like hyuna. When you signed into a kpop company, your in debt with a lot of money that the company invested in your training, and two years is not enough to cover that, and I bet hyuna helped him pay it off. It took Pentagon 4 years for their first win, and one member had to go away for military service, it wasn't easy on them, and they shouldn't have had to hide the hyuna/dawn secret. To me it looked like dawn was rewarded, he's got a solo career, a girlfriend, new company, the whole situation was very sus to me.
@@B34RXO yes.
the "rough road" he caused 🤦♀️
They got their FIRST win now and theyve been a group for 4 YEARS, with Shine they couldve swept the fucking charts and it pains me to see that.
I'm not shitting on him for being a human and having emotions but if other idols can keep their relationships private, why couldn't he or even they??
He was a rookie at that time, isn't it kinda stupid to debut and then imediatelly have a relationship with a senior idol in his company AND as a cherry on top, make that whole thing public?
i don't care tbh, he knew what he was doing and he knew the consequences, yet he did exactly that.
I'm not hating on him nor Hyuna nor Pentagon, i'm just choosing to not like the choices he made, that is all.
Not me crying over tao luhan and kris being together.
same im a new exo fan
Almost felt bad for Kris Wu but then I remembered where I heard that name from... Screw him..
You forgot one minor detail about Kris and luhan. Yes they are free to do as they wish but its not for free, one of the conditions is that they have to share a small % of their profits with SM until their contract ends. Just because sm let them doesnt mean it was for free. They stipulated that they had to share a % of their earning with sm until their contract is up
Did the ceo of sidus hq post a picture of Jyp in the cone of shame? Oh my god that is so funny!
I like to applaud him for his boldness tho. How many people in that industry falter and play the submissive card when facing a stronger entity...
Insomnia 💜
@@simplysimpy17 Hi! Who is your bias? Mine is Handong.
@@lilycarter5538 dami 💙
@@simplysimpy17 she's so cool! Nice pick. 💜
If you make a part 2, please do B.A.P and Park Jamie (ex member of 15&)
2014 was one of the worst years for Kpop 🥲
I really love ur videos they are so well done and researched:)
seeing the 3 on the Chinese version of produce 101 made us all so happy after everything they went through ;; now it can be hard seeing the clips with kris' sentences, but remembering their joy was everything
Tbh a part 2 isn't even a question 😂
There needs to be a new law or something about these case, it's so inhumane.
JYPE is whack for the response about Jay. Wtf you just expect him to not sing, dance and rap anymore with any other company just cus it didn’t work out with y’all?? Y’all got rid of him after you found comments of his when he was a foreign trainee with nothing to hold onto over there. I understand it was disrespectful but he was a young young man in a new environment. I’m sure some Koreans and any other ethnicity would say the same things or other things just as disrespectful if they were in a new place with literally nothing but their things and their own language. But whatevs. Jay is in a good spot for the crap he went thru back then
Exactly. JYP wanted him there but the company didn’t
Seriously i feel so terrible for Stellar. I love how immaculate their music quality was I could see them being successful had the images were focused more on the sensual sides (Sting, Mask, Crying) instead of hyper sexualizing the members (Vibrato, Marionette, these songs are still some of the strongest Kpop tunes till this day btw) The whole time I was tryna convince myself that they chose to embrace their sexuality and womanhood so being a little (a whole lot actually) racy and provocative wouldn’t be too bad. But after Gayoung confirmed herself, it’s clear as day that the members did not have a say in choosing these concepts and outfits
The other problem that she didn't talk about between Kris, Tao and Luhan lawsuit was not ONLY was the Chinese members
Treated like robots then human beings but SM entertainment were actually discriminated against the three the filed the Lawsuit
Against their company but SM entertainment lost A LOT of stock during that time and not ONLY were South Koreans were pissed but A LOT of international fans were REALLY pissed and gotten SM entertainment stock market to fall by A LOT
I didn't know a lot about Jake park lawsuit against JYP entertainment but I know that JYP "used" To have their business here in the United States but maybe after what happened with the lawsuit against SM entertainment I heard that JYP were going to closed their doors in the US I'm not sure you all I heard they not doing that well in the United States but I'm not sure about that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BURN TS!!!!!!!!
Yeeeeesssssss
I specifically wanted a video that I could half listen/ half watch while testing my new hair curler and then I see you uploaded! Perfect timing!
(Also it took 18 min and 3 sec to curl my hair SO THE VIDEO WAS ALSO THE PERFECT LENGTH too lol)
I want a Part 2 please :)
The Hyuna section today + The Chuu / Loona situation going on right now shows we are truly in the darkest timeline
Until this day I think there is no case equal as JYJ's. When they left SM for slave contract they where banned from everywhere in Korea. Even these days they still can't appear in the biggest broadcasting stations because if they do SM will not allow their artists to go there anymore. It's been more than 10 years!! It's so unfair. They where one of the first of taking legal action aginst their former company and even when they did win, many doors closed for them. The big companies wanted to make an example out of them: "look what will happen to you if you ever betray me". Luckily still they are among the richiest and most talented idols from second generation.
Love it and you 💜💜
Company: "We will prosecute fans who overstep their boundaries"
Company: "Anyway X idol is your boyfriend/girlfriend, they're not dating anyone"
Love your videos what they go thru is crazy and I never knew loco I went through that but glad their doing good now.
I'm still baffled at what happened with Hyuna and Dawn, but I'm happy they are with P Nation now lol
i'm so proud of past members of EXO and wish whole group leave SM.
samee
So proud of these idols for standing up for themselves 🔥😤
I LOVE LOVE LOVE HOW JAY PARK DISS JAY WHY PEE
People need to remember these artists are people and not products. If they fall in love, leave them be if they truly feel it.
4:42 ok. But they look so cute here☺
How hard can it be to pay your staffs (idols) wages and NOT working them into injuries and health issues? And keeping your hands of them?
With all the money some companies are making through the merchandise and songs themselves, it’s absolutely unbelievable
Even though Lay didn’t leave until later he was not really there for a long time. SM is pure evil.
Considering how clc was treated, im honestly worried about (g)i-dle now theres a new cube girl group. Cube only seems to be able to manage one group at a time. Also Soojin's latest scandal will make it worse.
A part two would be great, but let me clarify something real quick: the fans are caught in between everything. We know that the big thing about these companies is finances and getting rich off the hard work of the groups they “manage” (notice the quotation marks around that word). We love our idols and we want them safe; we are truly on the idol’s side of this argument, but we know the reality of it all. If we do not buy their merchandise and music, the companies will abuse and disband our favorite groups, thus crushing the boys and girls their dreams of being performers and denying the fan’s what we desire most while blaming the idols for the company’s horrible acts. We also know that, as consumers and fans, every single penny that we give to the company to purchase any merchandise is a chink in the armor of our own groups and empowers the companies to continue their ruthless behaviors with our very loved boys and girls. But we ALSO know that if we don’t support them, it is still a chink in the armor of our favorite groups. The companies will not promote or financially care for them. The companies will even go so far as to deny them basic human rights and needs. Our beloved idols, our boys and girls, will live in squalor and be forced to do things that are not just unhealthy or wrong, but downright immoral and degrading. See the conundrum??? We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t as fans. We want to see our lovely idols live their dream and we want to enjoy their successes, but we know by helping them do that we are “punishing“ them even more so under the cruel hands of these management companies. For me, it becomes extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY painful when we speak on the trials of EXO. EXO will always be the 12 loves of my life and I will always support them no matter where they go in their collective and individual careers. Watching the hell SM put them through, to the point where there was infighting within the group, makes me sick to my stomach. They literally pitted the boys against each other; some of it being racially referenced. Chinese against Korean is the evil seed planted in that group and SM should be ashamed of themselves, but they are not. Even the lawyers that those kids hire to help them out are actually lawyers FOR the big companies, so most of the time the idols lose because the lawyers are really on the companies’ payroll and side. I believe that is what happened to Tao, as both Kris and Luhan had their families seek out lawyers for them, if I am correct. Tao was assigned legal counsel. Please know that we fans are at a loss of what to do, but we want our idols to be treated fairly and respectfully.
It's so sad that there are so many people willing to exploit young (&naive) people over their dreams. Take for example TVXQ/JYJ or the 2 brothers of the Eastlight, for me personally the 2 biggest scandals.
Basically majority of the company and organisation in the world doesn't care about your individual needs. It is not worth it to sacrifice your life for the company.
Great video as always!
What's the songs playing at 4:40?
Not gonna lie when Kyulkyung was going through her issues with Pledis, I was wondering why she was so active in China and how that could effect her contract rules and whatnot. Whoa
I just know TS & Pledis Entertainment will be mentioned many times
I want part 2
Their Contracts are not good even for artist in America contracts are unreasonable I hope people can get a LAWYER to help them READ a CONTRACT and see if they can get a copy of It to extend the date to have it returned. At the end of the day you be come a brand and companies are going to make money so you better get a high percentage!
It seems to me that they’re just little slaves albeit glamorous ones but nonetheless slaves.they are making a ton of money for their bosses. It’s exploitation at it’s worse
exploitation has been the definition of success since the slaves built the pyramid. you'd think in the social media/information age people would wise up but no, you literally need to benefit from the hard work people do under you (while they barely benefit) to become successful. youd think those woke cancel culture kids would try to cancel the injustices that go on there but they stream it by the billions.
I am a simple person. I see Kris I click.
I was so pissed about what happened to hyuna (and all the stuff and dances cube made her do when she was a minor) and dawn but now they’re so where where they can flourish
That jyp picture...omg🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sometimes I feel horrible for loving Stellar's sexy songs, knowing what they went through to make them.
holay shit i LOVE ur intro! i never rlly c people make videos or intros about sistar anymore so, i rlly love it!
I love cube ent artist and ts ent artist but the agency sucks, why i stan wrong agency ㅠㅠ
Stan the artist NOT the company!
@@hafsamiller1758 yass (◕દ◕)
Fact!!!
when its come to lawsuit and idol spoke out and stand up for themselves this video should have start with jyj which consist of jaejoong , junsu and yuchuns lawsuit against sm was the biggest lawsuit ever happened in kpop industry and its changed both fandom and kpop industry .
tvxq were mistreated and they were under slave contract thats why these three stand up and win the lawsuit but because of them the legal contract for kpop idols are now 7 years which is really good because after 7 years you can decide to leave or still in the company.
but what alot of people dont know is that,even their own fans and media called them as traitor, guilty and more . jaejoong , junsu , yuchun, yunho and changmin got alot of hate but jyj suffered more due to backlist from sm they can't promote their songs ON TV shows and couldn't even do concert in korean so they have to promote in western which is really hard market for asian at that time. the hardship and difficulties they got from sm is so big that they try so hard to overcome all of that with the three of them. and shame on sm for losing two biggest and talented artists xia junsu and hero jaejoong. these two are the real artist along with iu. if you want to know what i mean you can search about their music they made after they leave sm even when they were in sm junsu and jaejoong were the best vocalists, dancer and visual junsu made alot of choreography of their group songs and jeajoong wrote songs for them. and junsu and jaejoong had really bad childhood which make me even respect them now both of them are really rich and jaejoong is the 2nd richest kpop idol （1st being jyp ）sorry for my english i can't say more than this anymore because of my limited english i wish newer kpop fan would search about tvxq/ jyj history and get inspiration from junsu and jaejoong.
while CLC is my second-favorite female kpop group, i do not blame Elkie one bit for standing up against the crap CUBE put CLC through / it does seem that SM really work their artists beyond what's normal or contractual / mature concept aside, i really liked Stella and was a definite fan, but their management agency is crap / from what i have come to learn and understand since becoming a kpop fan, way too many of the people seeking to be an idol come into it with their hearts open, but their hearts and minds closed....and there are way too many 'sharks' in the kpop world that prey on these vulnerable people....the Korean government should come up with a thorough system to review and background check anyone trying to start a management agency, including if they have the proper funds and resources to properly manage, promote, support, and take care of a group of individual artist(s) because the things and crap that these artists have to go through is in many cases, in my opinion, inhuman....
My sweet Gayoung
Please do a part 2 of this... ❤
PART 2 PLEASE!!
mamamoo's company and jessi's are, hands down, the best companies in k industry rn, @ me 😤
there are no ‘good companies’, liking a company is jus as bad as liking any of these companies in the video.
I want a part 2 ;;;;
Part 2 please!
Why doesn't have CL?
And Wu Yifing has a net worth of 20 million dollars..