How a Jake Brake Works - Jacobs Vehicle Systems
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- The Jacobs' Engine Brake, or Jake Brake, is an essential component in slowing and controlling your vehicle. By using the superior retarding capabilities of the Jake Brake, you will spend less time off the road and experience improved total cost of ownership.
Watch to learn more about how an engine brake works as well as its benefits. To find out more about the Jacobs Engine Brake, visit www.jacobsvehiclesystems.com.
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When I see a "No Jake Brake" sign, I think of this: The sound of my jake brake is quieter than the sound of my 80,000 pound truck crashing through your house.
Tommy W. Good point and I'm sure you're not rockin the Jig middle of the night with nobody on the streets im sure you're good boss!
I've never understood those signs. Jakes are for safety. That's like saying, "No Brakes". Sure, I'll coast around that curve. *smh*
as far as ive seen those signs are in areas where it is not needed and is not necessary and are usually in residential areas. so if you are going the posted speed limit or whatever you deem to be safe then you will be fine but if you are going faster than you know you should be to the point where you need to drop 10 or more mph to go around a curve then that is your fault.
Studies show that a Jake Brake makes less noise than a Semi crashing through an intersection.
Bisbee has a steep grade and just feet south and down of US 80 on this part are public and private buildings. Los of control could result in the city facing the question, how do we retrieve a tractor/trailer off the roof and the second floor of the library and what's the cost of fixing it? Is it worth it because of it's historical significance to not only the city but the county and state as well? Will the feds help, since the post office occupies the first floor? There is also a large presence of Environazis here as well. The kind that is in large part responsible for Phelps Dodge (now Freeport-McMoRan) all but leaving.
I live near a highway, maybe 2 km away. At night the trucks come down the hill and head towards the harbour. A part from the highway moving through a valley, the Jacob Brake sound that BELLOWS from those machines in the dead of night is something I always cherish.
I too like waking up to the sound of tractortrailers, trains, planes, and even tanks
@@gm08351 or, if you are a schoolchild in the Ukraine, your school being shelled by Zelenskyy's "Nazis" who mysteriously never damaged a synagogue.
@@gm08351 better than waking up to them through your living room am i right.
Is that the only choice you have in life?
LOL! Are you mental? Unbelievable that ANYone would say something that dumb!
Sound ellimanated?!?! The sound is the best part!
Haha EXACTLY! BRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDRRRRRRR!!
yeah!
Booooooo! Jake rumbles are freakin' awesome!
RamblerTurbo hell yea
You guys must be living a ways from any major highway with
hills and don't have to listen to that crappy noise 24/7. I feel sorry for people who've inherited a jake brake fetish. They could care less about neighborhood peace and quiet.
Man I've always loved hearing a truck with jake brake on. I'm not even a truck driver.
ooh yeah
I feel like I’m slowly turning into Hank Hill. I was so satisfied watching this.
no shame in that mate, as long as u are a bit more open minded than hank that is!
You seen the episode where Hank rents a big rig and then navigates himself off the top of a mountain with no fuel or brakes? Best cartoon ever
Propane and propane accessories lol
Jake brake and Jake brake accessories.
I'll tell you what
He forgot one fact - the Jake Brake was actually invented by Clessie Cummins, the man who started the Cummins Engine Factory. There's quite a bit of history behind it.
And the first one ever installed was on his boat. So, when you rev the engine and let the brakes roar, you're carrying on a tradition older than the production of Jake Brakes.
I wonder why Cummins didn't just come standard with this built in
@@user-xg8yy7yl1d When Clessie Cummins invented the Jake Brake, he was no longer in control of the Cummins Engine Factory, and the people who were in control at that time would not agree to manufacture the Jacobs system, so Clessie Cummins was forced to look for another manufacturer. He found the Jacobs Lock company, who agreed to take it on as they had the necessary manufacturing capability and were in the process of looking for a new product. That's why it's called a Jacobs Brake and not a Cummins Brake. Cummins Engine refused to fit the Jacobs Brake to their engines for some years as they didn't believe it was beneficial to them. Big Mistake! I believe that it was Clessie's Sons who had taken over, but I'm not 100% sure of that.
@@user-xg8yy7yl1d When Clessie Cummins invented the Jacobs Brake he was no longer in control of the Cummins Engine Company, and they refused to have anything to do with it, so he had to find another manufacturer. That's when he approached the Jacobs Lock company. They had the manufacturing ability and were looking for a new product, so they took it on. That's why it's called a Jacobs Brake, not a Cummins Brake. Cummins still refused to fit it to their engines for some years. Big Mistake! All this is in Clessie Cummins book "The Fire Within". Good reading, that one.
I couldn't imagine driving and not getting to hear the jakes rumble. That's the best part of trucking.
I was amazed at how well the Jake worked when my company went over to automatics...I ran a ton of WV and Pa, and other assorted states, and even at near gross the transmission/Jake kept my speed under control...I often wonder how old truckers managed without a Jake...
They did a lot of down shifting with their manual transmissions.
@@549BR well, yeah...I grew up near Old Fort, and trucks would go down that mountain at a crawl speed...when I began driving thinking about what gear to go down any particular hill, and having a Jake, was still a thing...I smoked my brakes 3 times over the years...once I was able to stop and just sit and let them cool...twice I was able to catch a lower gear...as I was close to hanging it up I still saw trucks smoking brakes, and today I know it still happens...it seems more frightening seeing it from in a car, and knowing what is going on...
@@549BRdown shifting really doesn’t slow you down like it would in a Car.
@@690_5 That's because diesels generally don't have throttle plates, so they don't generate very much engine braking, unless your tractor is very old and has a gasoline engine.
@@michaelbenardo5695 exactly that’s why they have runaway ramps on mountains diesels will run away because they rely on fuel injection instead of a throttle valve like a gas engine
You can drive with a Jake brake at full volume anywhere in Colorado. You would never hear it over the straight pipe Harleys.
With or without straight stacks? Several belly dumps and bull racks around here have straight stacks and it's music to my ears 😊
I thought Vail had "no jake brake" signs everywhere, because they prefer truckers fading brakes and killing minivans full of kids, versus having to hear that ghastly noise.
To be fair, I too get annoyed at truckers who purposely mod to make jake louder, it's incredibly disrespectful and equates to being a 13 year old attention whore on tiktok. All jakes should be somewhat muffled by federal law.
@@MockOverdrive Vail is a tourist trap these days, growing up just off of i25 i would hear them all the time.
@@MockOverdrive this is a 0 IQ comment lol
When I as a kid.. My dad was a trucker. In PA they had certain places where a Jake Brake was required. The cops, who are always your friend and concerned for our safety, would listen for the sound of the brake to make sure you were in compliance.
Get paid to listen to Jakes all day, what a life.
@@onefastslimjim 😊
Good, force or threat is the only way to make wild people stay inline. In my area, it is abused because no one baby sit these inconsiderate fools that make unnecessary noise all day long. As long as they have to pay, they obey.
now they fine ya for using the in many places
I'm a little suspicious of this "requirement". I used to drive trucks and not every truck had an engine brake. I've driven in 47 states and have no recollection of anywhere that "required" an engine brake.
The responsibility of safely descending any grade has always come down to the driver, not a "requirement" to use a certain type of optional equipment.
The opposite is definitely true though. There are many, many places that prohibit the use of engine brakes, and that is something that those friendly cops could be listening for to ensure compliance.
I always wondered how those worked. Thank you for the informative video.
My dad straight piped his truck once and hit the Jake brake going through a small town, he got a ticket for the excessive noise. Lol good times.
But you forgot to mention that the ticket was issued by the next town and not the one he went through... ;)
Little old ladies have nothing better to do than call 911...don't walk on their lawn...
@@westvalley411 no, it’s the guy with the man purse that moved from California to ruin everything. The little old lady can’t stand that guy, not the trucks.
@@Californians_go_homeThose Calipawns ruin everything don't they
Good times? I'd give him jail time. Scumbag.
Agree jake brake sound needs to be louder we love the sound
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alex Perez ya I love the sound
shane lord and even louder for the people that hate the jake brake.
GoodISnipr I legit cant understand people who fanboy over jake brakes sound, it sounds like a loud fart
Andrew Gems a professional driver doesn’t care about the noise. They care about getting the load delivered safely. What you are referring to is a bunch of fucking hillbillies who think they have to be making excessive noise in order to make money. Jacobson knows what they are doing. They’ve been doing this for many years. Perhaps you idiot truck drivers could learn something from them and quit worrying about the noise and start focusing on your job.
I have a series 60 dual 8 inch straight pipes and I love playing the music of my people! Loud and proud!
Straight pipes, Full Jake in a tunnel while down shifting = AWESOME!
Tunnels and overpasses are the s**t!
"I shall play for you the song of my people."
@@josephastier7421 BBBBRAAAAAAAAGAGAGGGGAGAGAGAGAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@@josephastier7421*straight pipe no muffler*
idiot
I spent my teen years near a highway, freeway and train tracks. When I moved there was still a set of tracks but it took quite awhile to get used to no Jake Brakes.
I don’t know if it’s a Jacobs on my Volvo D13 engine but that is one of the strongest engine/exhaust brakes I’ve had on a truck in my 30 years of driving them
The concept is the same but Volvo sold it as VEB (Volvo Engine Brake). Basically it's the same by manipulating the valve timing/compression release brake.
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Also a valve in the exhaust, witch will cause backpressure to the engine
@@dannygernaat9961that's an exhaust brake iirc
@@ajidamarjatiAlso called PowerLeash on the Mack engines
I had a V8 Cummins 903 years ago and couldn't wait to get into a town and release the Jake beast. It had it's own style of bark for sure. Loved it. But in serious measure it worked well if driven correctly. I always use the philosophy of using the same gear downhill as i would uphill and never had a problem. Could flick the Jake between half and full depending on what it was doing. In the wet empty could catch you out if switched on full retardation, the rear wheels would actually lock up and slide. The switch on full going uphill at 40 ton I could change the RR up as it brought the revs down very quickly, trying that without the Jake was a waste of time.
same gear down as over, or one less just to be safe. is what i learned. back in the day.
Wow. An old 903?!! 👍 What was it in?
Man everyone knows you never go full retardation...
WOW 903 YEARS AGO?
Glorious sound. The freeway is over a mountain from me, i can hear the jakes from time to time. I picture them delivery my case of Laphroig
If anyone would like a real explanation of how engine brakes work there are plenty on other much better vids here on YT. This is more like an advertisement for the Jake brand.
That, and they forgot to even mention the whole fuel injection part of how an engine works in this video.
I love the sound of the Jake Brake it's the best sound you can hear on a Diesel engine
I've never heard the "Power Stroke" called the "Expansion Stroke" before. Love Jake brakes though!
I've never heard an engine brake called a jake brake before :P
The Grapevine on I-5 is a great place for this. (I've heard it many a time while going north on I-5.)
My parents had this put on their diesel Dodge Ram 1500 after running through an intersection coming downhill from Lake Tahoe. (This truck was used to haul a 5th wheel travel trailer which was attached at this particular time.)
Soooooooooo, instead of purchasing a truck that can safely haul a fifth wheel trailer, they added an engine break to a half ton NEVER designed for that kind of load. BRILLIANT
@@bobward7489 Nope, it's a grade that many have encountered before that overwhelms their tow vehicles. It's a road that they did by mistake.
@@LadyAnuB Regardless, hauling a fifth wheel with a half ton truck is dangerous and irresponsible.
This is the exact place I look forward to driving through when driving back from Los Angeles so I can hear the Jake Brakes. 👍👍
You can't put a Jake on a half ton. Don't know what they told you but it's wrong.
Still as clear as mud. They fail to tell you exactly WHAT happens when the system is applied.
I might help you there! Imagine having big coil springs on the soles of your shoes. If you jump you will compress the springs and they will hurl you back up in the air. Your downward force is storing energy in the springs, and it is given back to you by uncoiling all that stored energy and sending you at least some of the way back into the air with no effort from you other than what you add by jumping back up at the same time to achieve equal or even greater height than before! Now imagine you were jumping on a sheet of plywood suspended off the ground and at the moment the springs collapsed to their maximum point they shot right through the plywood! You would simply land hard and all that stored energy would be wasted! A trampoline would be similar- it stores and releases energy also unless your feet tear through at the bottom of the downward stroke! Now on to the engine. When a piston is in a compression stroke, and imagine you add NO fuel shot at that moment, the piston would "spring" back down just from the stored energy alone in the compressed air at the top of the stroke. NOW, if "something" (the Jake mechanism) opens the exhaust valve at that exact moment when the maximum energy is stored in the highly compressed air, all that energy will be "wasted" when it goes roaring out the exhaust pipe instead of boosting the piston back down. It took a lot of horsepower (COMING FROM THE WHEELS NOW THOUGH SINCE YOU ARE PLANNING TO STOP AND THE WHEELS ARE DRIVING THE ENGINE) to compress all that air, and instead of recovering the "spring" effect it is wasted out the exhaust! It is the SAME principle of driving an air compressor with an electric motor! Horsepower used up in compressing the air and no recovery of energy in the air compressor cylinder. It all leaves the compressor cylinder through a "type" of exhaust valve! So you see that any horsepower delivered to the engine THROUGH THE WHEELS is used up with the Jake system, AND IT AMOUNTS TO BRAKE POWER! SOMETIMES MORE THAN THE RATED HORSEPOWER OF THE ENGINE, SINCE "BRAKING HORSEPOWER" OF 10 BRAKE DRUM/SHOE COMBINATIONS CAN BE CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN THE FEW HUNDRED HORSEPOWER OF THE DIESEL ENGINE WHEN IT IS POWERING THE REAR WHEELS! A very interesting thing is this: AN AMATEUR in a truck can CRASH the truck if he is not loaded, OR if there is ice or EVEN RAIN on the road and all that power available inside the engine COMPLETELY STALLS THE ENGINE AND OF COURSE STOPS THE WHEELS FROM TURNING AT ALL!! Just like slamming on the brakes he will Jacknife before he ever recovers any means to get those wheels turning again and the engine running again!!!
Jeroen de Sterke Damn. You sure are dense.
@@mikep.541 Hurling insults and contributing nothing to the conversation isn't exactly the definition of intelligence.
@@mikep.541 l guess you must be BRILLIANT and understand EVERYTHING.................ROCKET ENGINES,,,,,,,,,,THE HYDROGEN BOMB,,,,,,,,,,,,,3 PHASE ELECTRIC,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ETC,,,,,,,,,,,YES OR NO..
Let me help you...and for a good reason, they don't tell you what is going on...it's very hard on your engine.. they open the exhaust valve at top dead center, venting the compressed air.. valves closed, no air in cylinder and the piston starts down..what happens next? That's right, you pull a vacuum, until you suck the valves open.. you stress the entire engine backwards.. I have seen the tops of Pistons sucked off, rod bolts broken, wrist pins snapped..
Your Jake isn't as strong, in your older truck? Replace the worn out valve springs!!! Or put stiffer ones in, and get a Jake from hell.
The Jake brake on our Internationals are very quiet, I can ignore those "No Engine Brake" signs.
I ignore them anyway. Jake Brakes are safety devices.
I thought they banned them because of environmental issues.
@@nicolaslugo2658.... "environmental issues"?!!?..... what Environmental issues?.... they're "banned" from use in populated ares by morons who seem to think that Jake brakes are just something for truckers to make noise with.
@@Romans--bo7br mufflers stop the Jake sound effects..
The purses and tampons that come standard on an international provide extra sound dampening lol
Although the explanation is technically accurate, it should be emphasized that it uses compression to slow the engine (vehicle); then get to the details of valve operation and the fancy analysis of transferring kinetic energy to compression.
Thank you. That makes better sense to a dummy like myself.
@@chickey333 Me too ..
@@mikestudmuffin4549 How? The volume is being compressed, not expanded.
What's that one stroke called when it makes all its power? Oh that's right! The expansion stroke!
i htought that to be kinda funny meself .
Yeah it was kind of weird how he seemed to blatantly avoid mentioning the fuel burning
@@nthgth If he mentioned that then the green people would chase him down and state he was causing global cooling, warming, maybe the seasons changing due to global orbit around the sun?
Combus...exapansion!
You mean they engines are not perpetual motion machines? I'm shocked and disappointed about the the implication they byrn those dirty. smelly, global warming carbon emissions! ROTFLMAO
Ahhh it introduces pumping losses with the intake valve(s)!! Genius! It makes so much sense, and it's so simple. Thank you so much, I always wondered this.
Exhaust valves
Thank you! Great video! I've always wondered how the Jake Brake works..
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Sandy,
Yes, you are correct. There is an error in the animation.
Seems sensible......
If you like sounds though, you want to hear a traditional engine brake in European trucks. Some have an exhaust valve that basically suffocates the engine. Makes it sort of cushion the pistons on the air trapped inside the cylinders. Sounds fantastic!
Isn't that the system that Caterpillar uses?
Thanks for always making me here that sound when I travel to mexico.
When using the jake - it gives one a sense of awesome power ⚡︎
thanks information Jacob's engineering system
I’ve got a jakey brakey heart.
I loled!
I always wondered how that worked. Thanks
I had a compression release on my 1970's Yamaha DT250. Does that count? It worked like a Jake brake.
I love the sound of Jake brakes. I also took diesel engine mechanics in highschool and would have graduated with a diesel mechanic certification but the teacher quit halfway through the 5th of 6 half year courses, and they shut the program down and wouldn't count the previous 2 years of the class. I ended up giving up on that career after not wanting to have to completely restart the program after graduation and pay for the schooling. Now i mive and install office furniture...
You love the sound of Jake brakes because you don't have to listen to them when you're sleeping at night.
@@jojogo22 I tend to not listen to most things as I sleep, because I'm usually sleeping. It's nice of you to assume that don't live near seemingly any roads, when I live 2 houses distance from a main county road that's one of 3 major roads going to out highways. I listen to every loud vehicle that passed, not just semi trucks. Every loud car, motorcycle, constant helicopters flying low enough that my windows shake, and white trash in the apartments behind me
I think you made a big mistake not starting that over.
And this is from someone who also had to restart their trade school.
@@davecrupel2817 I think that all of the time 😐
All high schools should be mandated by law to have well equipped trades classes. It's outrageous that schools have been shutting down stops and trade education programs.
I loved you’re world view map at the end of the video, with over 700,000 trucks in the +4500kg range, you chose to omit Australia.Neglectful but completely understood. In fact, what I was surprised about, was that you’re World View map included ANY land mass other than North America!
They didnt include North America, Canada has also been excluded! 🇨🇦
The computer does not open the exhaust valves. Jakes were around for decades before a computer was put in a truck. The cam and valve springs open and close the valves. The jake operates with a actuator and oil pressure to change the timing of when the exhaust valves open and close.
The younger generations think that we were in the stone age before computers.
Jacobson braking system is great! life saver!
If you can't depend on your service brakes to save your life, you need better brakes. If mechanical brakes can stop an 80,000 ton train, stopping a 40-ton truck should be no problem.
Love going down through the gears with the Jake break
What did you say ?
hey jacobs
ive been doing my research and alot of maths on how all this works and its practical applications i was wondering would it possible to make an engine brake system (compression release type) that would work on a nissan td42t and if it is possible would it be effective?? and what pros and cons would there be to system fitted to an engine of that size?? ive worked out that the compression ration is some where around 22.7:1 and the clearance for exhaust valve opening at top dead center is no more then .4mm
Probably the best invention ever designed for a diesel.. Thank you Mr. Cummins! Hard to believe, that the 1st Jacobs engine brake, was actually designed for Detroit Diesel. Mack's own Dynatard engine brake, was a good idea, but has hardly the braking effect, as the Jacobs. Keep up the great work!
mack dynatard is JUNK compared to a REAL JAKE BRAKE..............ALL THEY'RE GOOD FOR IS ALLOWING A FASTER SHIFT ON A LOUSY 5 SPEED MACK TRANSMISSION....
@@yardlimit8695,Some braking from the Dynatard, is also better than none at all.. Lol!
A Jacob brake in the UK was basically a clamp around the trailer pin and was designed to prevent a jack knife on mainly tankers.
But what about our new flat world? Will this still work?
Tommy Schulte LMAO!
A flat world has no hills hence no need.
You'll slow down with your Jake Brake so you don't go over the edge into space
If the world was flat cats would push everything off the edge!
If i had my way they would be fitted to every onroad diesel engine, petrol to if it was possible...would be a great addition to 4wds when they are towing
I live in NYC and sometime the sound of a JB will wake me up from a sleep but I love that sound!
i love the sound dont take that away
And now, from the department of things absolutely NO ONE ASKED FOR:
"And with new emissions technology, the sound of the jake brake operating is all but eliminated"
I say we should have a brake muffler SWITCH. In the cities and suburbs, flip it on but out and about let it roar.
When have you ever seen a Jake that wasn't on a switch?
He's talking about the noise. Have a Jake with a switch to operate the jake and another for the noise when it is on.
They're been adding that to muscle/pony cars forever, it'd be just as good an idea for a Jake brake. I'd be surprised if it hasn't been done (aftermarket)
Exhaust cutouts, still in use and still sound great.
@@Synthwave89 no such thing. Turn them off in residential areas. They are NOT necessary. They are and always will be a secondary helper brake. There is NO reason to HAVE to use it except in emergency and even then its going to be driver error...damn dude, people don't even know how to stab brake...watch them big trucks smoking brakes on a downhill...its not that they are heavy ...they are just going too fast and end up riding brakes=brake fade. Yes, weight is a factor. But the guy behind the wheel should know if his/her brakes are good...people don't even do PTIs anymore...not thorough ones. Ran an 88 Mack Superliner, NYC to landfills in PA, constantly 82,500 (used allowable percentage years back) 5 sometimes 6 days a week. Over the mountains in PA with NO ENGINE BRAKE. NONE. Most people don't know that trucks used to NOT even have steer axle brakes!
I liked to use them, esp the 3 speed Jake, in snowy-icy conditions like 40 w thru the hills when I find myself trapped out IN IT. The slight drag is spread through the driven tires. I don't even think about using the trailer brakes, for fear of the trailer passing me sideways.
There's no such thing as a " 3 speed" compression-release or "jake" brake. You presumably have a 3-level system, which activates braking by 2, 4, or 6 cylinders of the engine.
How boring life would be without Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! at 2am in the morning.
Had a dirt bike back in the 70s with a compression release. Didn't sound quite as good but did the job.
What the hell does that have to do with a Jake brake?
@@Icutmetal Because they are the same thing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_release_engine_brake
So nice to have so much info at your fingertips...try using it!
@@Not_Sure-2020 Used for the same purpose? Didn’t think so.
@@Icutmetal Yes, exactly the same purpose. To slow the engine. It is the SAME THING. Jake brake is just a nickname for a compression release. Did you even read? No? Didn't think so.
@@Icutmetal I swear, I'm not sure why but I'm always amazed when someone is shown definitive proof but they still refuse to believe. Amazing.
The sound is the best part
very informative, i love it! now i understand how a jake brake works, thank you!
This also is explaining why you will see increase in boost pressure and egt will not drop as fast while using jake brake. Air cannot enter the engine as much, creating a airflow restriction making your boost gauge read up a bit, and egts will not drop as much or as quick due to heat energy being generated and not just allowing air to flow through if you have the brake off and no throttle applied. If you wait, you can actually watch your egt climb back up a little bit when you hit the jake brake.
It's either jake from jacobs! Or jake from statefarm! We leave it up to u !😂
With so many local ordinances forbidding the use of compression style retarder systems, a quieter version of the Jake Brake is a welcome improvement.
+riblets1968 If you see any "No Jake Brake" signs, let us know where they are located so we can educate the town on the benefits of engine braking.
+JacobsVehicleSystems I always wondered why there was a sign by my house and Now I know is because of the noise it makes
JacobsVehicleSystems that is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen, do you even know the proper use the engine brake? it's to help reduce speed on downward slopes to have less ware and tear on the brakes, there is no use or needs for them to be used in a town or a populated area unless you want to be fishing for attention
Thanks for your comment. Please find more information on our website about the noise you are hearing.
"I'm bothered by the noise of big trucks using their Engine Brakes, what can I do?
The federal government has required all vehicles manufactured since 1978 to meet noise requirements when delivered to the customer, so trucks have been required to meet the requirements when they leave the dealership as new vehicles for quite some time. The real problem here is modified or defective exhaust systems. The use of the engine brake is not the problem. Citizens and truck drivers can both do their part to keep the noise down. Citizens, encourage your local police to stop noisy vehicles and check them for muffler integrity. Truckers, if you know someone who is operating a vehicle with an excessively loud exhaust system, encourage him or her to fix it." www.jacobsvehiclesystems.com/about-us/environmental-health-safety/noise-concerns/
I live next to a railroad track in a small town. Yes, freight trains are required to blow their horns in the middle of the night too. We'll get trains coming through at all hours of the day or night and they're always required to blow their horns. It's a safety issue.
there is many things that bring a smile to my face, but nothing does like the sound of a jake brake roaring through a straight piped c15. ear to ear.
I miss the old 2002 Freightliner I drove with the twin stacks and Jake Brake that really barked! Never got a ticket rolling down the I 35 hill into Duluth with it just roaring!
Too bad the video never tells us HOW a jake brake mechanism works...that is, how exactly does it keep the exhaust valve open. Could not bother with that detail.
What are service brakes? Are those what we normally call "brakes"?
Yes, service brakes are what the segment of population unfamiliar with proper vehicle nomenclature calls simply "brakes". The Jake Brake works by actuating the exhaust valve rather than the fuel injector. So... the intake air is compressed and then dumped slightly before TDC.
Awwww but I love the sound of the Jake Brake!
60 series Detroit 12.7 in our E-One Cyclone engine, 8" straight dumping out the passenger side, you get that truck loaded up 3 times (jake, throttle, jake, throttle, jake) on the 2-4-6 set on 6, then hit the throttle 1 more time, Cannon shot city complete with fireball
What is the mechanism? I understand you guys probably cant say due to trade secrets/ proprietary technology, but is it some type of high pressure check valve?
Well this is about the most UN informative video I've watched in quite a while!
It’s over your head. Stick with your tricycle.
So is fuel still injected during the compression stroke when the brake is on and the compression is sent out the exhaust valve? I would think it would be more economical to not inject fuel during the compression stroke since it would just be a waste.
No fuel is injected...
If your foot is depressing the fuel pedal any little bit, the jacobs brake will not engage.
Same for the clutch.
No, no modern diesel or gas motor injects fuel when on the brake and no foot is on the gas pedal.
@@1320fastback to a certain extent, you are correct, but not all the time. Certain conditions have to be met. You are referencing DFCO, which, depending on the vehicle tuning, requires certain speeds, rpms, and loads.
DFCO works best when the timing is set to near 0, but you get no engine braking this way. Most manufacturers set DFCO timing to allow for a progressive engine braking curve, but this makes the system work less efficiently. Personally, I tune mine to limit engine braking to maximize the time DFCO is activated, except on towing vehicles, which I set for maximum braking.
Also, modern automatic transmissions unlock the TCC at 0 throttle, thereby drastically reducing the braking effect during DFCO. This can NOT be changed by programming in most modern vehicles, so you are stuck with a shitty DFCO system that doesn't save much on gas.
You forgot to add that the fuel is cutoff from entering the cylinders that are included in each Jake brake level.
The Jake Break is the most awesome sound, a disel can make. 👍👍
I disagree. The best sound a Diesel truck can make is cruising on an open highway, where the driver is making money and work is being done.
@@kenmore01 your right, I guess he does. Until he comes to a 5 car pile up. Then he can eather join them or stop.
It's a Brake, dude, not a Break, FFS.
Oh well 😆
I used to drive a freightliner classic with the loudest jakes I ever heard. Man I miss that truck
Simple and effective.
Hey Jacobs,
If [hypothetical] my big rig is a hybrid-electric type, do you recommend ordering the diesel genset with the Jake brake deleted as, if the drivetrain supported it, I could use the electric motors connected to the wheels as engine-retarders that also charge the batteries?
Hi Ellenor! One of our engineers took a look at your question. Hope this helps with your hypothetical question.
There is no reason for any diesel genset to have an engine brake installed; if the vehicle is using a genset, then the engine won’t be in a position to impact braking.
In a typical diesel-electric system in a locomotive, the diesel engine is actually driving a generator (genset), which supplies electricity to the motors driving the wheels. In this arrangement, a Jake brake (indeed, any engine retarding system) will not help to slow the vehicle, as it is not part of the drivetrain. Foundation brakes and regenerative braking are the only choices here. Diesel-electric locomotives use the electric motors to brake, but they dump the power into resistor banks to be dissipated (as heat).
In a hybrid fuel-electric system where both the engine and electric motors are connected directly to the drive train (such as in the Prius), both an engine brake (if the vehicle were so equipped) and the electric motor could be used to slow the vehicle down.
Note that the power dissipated by a 4,000lb car braking, and a 40,000+lb truck braking, and a train braking, differs by an order of magnitude. In electronics, as you deal with more power, components become bigger, heaver, more expensive, and have to dissipate more heat. (As a side note, the Jake brake dissipates that braking power as heat by sending it out of the existing exhaust system.)
In any situation where you have an electric motor in the driveline, you have the potential for regenerative braking; the issues are how much braking can you get from it, and how much efficiency you are willing to pay for. If the electric motors alone move the vehicle, you could reasonably expect them to also be capable of slowing the vehicle; the same may not be true if they are supplemental power to the engine. Also, the heavier the load, and the more rapidly you decelerate, the more power you need to get rid of. If you want to recover more of the energy you are losing, you need to pay for more batteries, and more electronics to manage the batteries, and more space consumed by the batteries, and more weight consumed by the batteries. (This is in direct opposition to the design goals of making the vehicle lighter and cheaper.)
I thought so.
Thanks.
@@JacobsVehicleSystems I realize that this discussion is very old, but I would like to thank Jacobs Vehicle Systems for an exceptionally well-considered and helpful response to the question.
That was the most noninformative video ever on Jake Brakes!!
+1
Ever since I was a short shit riding with my Daddy all across this great country, I've loved the rumble of a Jake Brake!
Thanks - I always wondered how they worked 🤔🤷🏻♂️
So in order to make your engine last as long as possible it is best to use the jake brakes the least amount needed?
Quieter Jake brake nnnnnoooooo! CAT C15 with straight pipes,jake brake ooooohh yeeaahh baby.
Ever driven a straight pipe N-14? 🤤
@@MistaRoyanT fellas fellas I can only get so erect
keeturbo straight pipe detroit diesel serie 60 jake brake 😍👌
@@MistaRoyanT I've driven a Detroit Series 60 with a burned out muffler and it sounded amazing. Truck was worthless and gutless but my engine brake never let me down.
I thought Jake Brakes were to scare drivers and make them hate truckers. Live and learn.
Hey Jacobs, do you not think that Canada uses them too. Next time, include them in the world map, in your video!
f**k kanada!
small detail missing in the animation: fuel and igition. even on a diesel it ignites.
I wish my diesel ran on air.
When one considers the high-quality production elements with this video, for the producer to omit the fuel aspect of the four-cycle process was most puzzling, indeed!
That's a hot-air balloon you're thinking of.
why the piston didnot hit the exhaust valve
There's just enough clearance between the valve and the piston that they don't hit each other. They can come very very close, but never touch.
The difference between an interference and non-interference engine...
Love jakes brakes. Funniest part of this video is how he applied his trailer brakes thinking it was the intensity control for the jakes
but what changes the cam timing????what makes the valve opened early????
Every diesel engine should use this system. Are they used in public vehicles, like transit buses, or school buses? I would think it'd save on wear and tear on the service brakes.
+Jason Carpp what about in diesel cars that aren't hybrids
+jjovereats I would think that *all* vehicles should be offered with such a system. Anything that helps control the downhill momentum of the vehicle.
Jason Carpp
Like a Regen brake (as seen in Priuses)
+jjovereats I'm afraid I've never owned or driven a Toyota Prius, so I don't know what it's called or how it works.
They are used in transit buses and some school buses and so on. But there are different types of retarders !
Like engine brake , exhaust brake, jake brake
The sound is the best part. Don't make them quiet
That’s cause your so far up your self you have to fart through your ears. Dogs breath.
The music of my people!!!!
When driving a car dose it use more fuel if using gears to slow you down?
The sound of a engine brake on stage 3 is a warning to people I am slowing down, never understood why they wanted to eliminate that. My jakes are not as loud as a Hurd of fat guys on their Harley’s screaming though town !!
No sound! I’ll stick with my old school!👍🙌😁
I was on the set of a drink ad yesterday and they used plastic ice cubes that will last the whole day of filming. All these tricks are quite clever
F 'in bot!
My 5.0 F-150, has engine braking, very little is said about it in the owners manual. Is it a Jake Brake?
come on I love the noise of jake brakes
Repeatedly at 2am? Where do you live?
I’ll come outside your house and uses mine all night that should make you happy.
People who like the sound of Jake Brakes are probably there same ones that like the sound of unmuffled Harley's. "Sounds great to us; to hell with that the immediate countryside thinks."
Ed Zachary!
from the map in the clip, one might infer that 'jake brakes' are not sold or installed in trucks intended for use/sale in Canada - but almost every commercial truck I've ever driven had a Jake brake; who's giving bad information here?
Opening the exhaust valve on the compression stroke makes no sense to me. Simply turning off the fuel injector would have the same effect, this could be done via engine management without the need for mechanical changes to the engine. Also by eliminating the compression stroke the engine temp will fall to low.
The phantom of the cabover,, beware his scented candles.
I miss the old style jake because they WORKED my Cummins ISX jake dosnt do anything while my old ISM would damn near throw me through the windshield
The Cummins ISX 15 has significantly greater engine braking power (250+hp greater) than the ISM, mainly due to the size difference and haul application. Which ISX configuration do you have and are you comparing the same loads?
JacobsVehicleSystems it's literally the same load and trailer it doesn't slow me down at all
Could you send us a private message with your contact info? We'd like to help solve the issue.
JacobsVehicleSystems mroozing@gmail.com email
Thank you. I will have one of our engineers contact you.
The Actros uses the volf system as well
There are places in California where they have signs, like west bound highway 80, that prohibit "jake breaks" because of the noise generated I think.
Wow there engine uses no diesel. Love it
Uhhh yea they do in real life
@@cableheadcrew3880 No shit??
@@cableheadcrew3880 r/woooosh