@@sargeteg5927 I can honestly say none of the conversations that I’ve heard her partake in have been particularly enjoyable. Memorable? For some, sure, but the only thing that has been memorable about those conversations me is distinctly how much I would dislike having any sort of discussion or disagreement with Lav. She’s nice enough and I’m sure she means well, but it should be considered an art form how diametrically opposed she is to forming any sort of a semblance of understanding someone else’s world view.
Lav getting away with it again. Saying jk after spewing some dumb shit is the most overplayed degenerative behavior at this point. She’s just likes getting a rise out of people
It's the most infuriating thing. She says something that feels sincere and others try to engage with the point but whenever it gets challenging, she tries to meme about it. It happens every time and it derails the conversation. At least in this conversation, she got called out not only on the bs she says but also on this behavior. Probably doesn't happen often enough.
So glad we could have a conversation where we point out and demonstrate that Lav cannot stick to or stand by a single belief for more than a few seconds. She cannot string together an argument or defend any of her points with coherency. We see time after time that she strongly states an initial position and then falls back to a dozen other points after basically single statements of scrutiny from Destiny. Lav belongs on Destiny's leaderboard for massive smugness / intelligence ratio.
"Lav cannot stick to or stand by a single belief for more than a few seconds" facts. She said Amouranth shouldn't be sexualizing herself for money and that women have an imperative not to because it hurts women. Then literally the next topic they went to she was justifying how it's okay for her to sexualize herself and sell nudes for money because she just really wanted more money. Her husband making over 500k a year just isn't enough and she couldn't possibly be expected to do something other than sell nudes or make less than 150k a year on top of what her husband makes.
I think destiny described it very accurately she seems to have a habit of not going deep with her thoughts/reasons about her beliefs, and instead just splits off to other reasons. So everytime destiny or anyone confronts her about a particular thing, she seems to just jump on to different reasons.
She spends so much time trying to find reasons why she doesn't like another girl when it's obvious that she's just that kind of girl who straight up doesn't like other girls.
Not even 5 minutes in while having no clue what happened beforehand: I'm already on Chaeiry's side on account that she doesn't give a fuck about Lav, which also exactly mirrors how I feel.
I feel like I run into this problem more and more. Conversations where I understand what the different sides are saying, from their own perspectives, and yet none of them seem to understand what the other is saying, so they're all having conversations past each other, with fictional people who aren't actually there. (Maybe, if I'm lucky, one or two people do understand, but there's always _at least_ one who is so completely having their own conversation that I want to scream.)
I always enjoyed symbolism in Destiny's videos. This video perfectly showcases the "Show, don't tell" rule. In this YT video, we can see two Destinys - one is peaceful and feels good, and the other is annoyed, angry, and frustrated. But how can I tell which one is which? Simple, the video game he chooses to play. Factorio (?) is a pretty chill game and when Steven plays it you can see how he feels - he's having a good time. But when he plays games like Doom Eternal (which doesn't happen often) you know something is wrong. Steven becomes resentful and hateful (for a good reason). It was pretty unexpected too. I was blown away when he switched games mid-debate. I know people like to praise August for his editing but Destiny doing "live editing" kind of thing while he's also talking to other people at the same time is incredible and unheard of. The guy's even more brilliant than I thought he was. I can't believe he's just a streamer.
I always enjoyed symbolism in Destiny's videos. This video perfectly showcases the "Show, don't tell" rule. In this YT video, we can see two Destinys - one is peaceful and feels good, and the other is annoyed, angry, and frustrated. But how can I tell which one is which? Simple, the video game he chooses to play. Factorio (?) is a pretty chill game and when Steven plays it you can see how he feels - he's having a good time. But when he plays games like Doom Eternal (which doesn't happen often) you know something is wrong. Steven becomes resentful and hateful (for a good reason). It was pretty unexpected too. I was blown away when he switched games mid-debate. I know people like to praise August for his editing but Destiny doing "live editing" kind of thing while he's also talking to other people at the same time is incredible and unheard of. The guy's even more brilliant than I thought he was. I can't believe he's just a streamer.
"Amouranth shouldn't sexualize herself to men for money because it hurts women. Women have an imperative not to do that." literally minutes later "I started sexualizing myself and posting nudes for money again because I just _really_ wanted more money. My husband making over 500k a year isn't nearly enough. Also it makes me feel powerful."
Everytime lav gets on stream it's either a) drama, b) her attempts at logic that break my brain, or c) a whole room of people some how turning into the most illogical group possible.
It's so good. We need more Lav content. The video where Dan kept egging her on to make everything worse was gold. Every time things started to die down, he'd swoop in and gas everyone up again. No one noticed that Dan was causing all that shit, but he convinced everyone that Lav was the problem all along without ever stating it. Dan's a real life Littlefinger.
Hes chilling playing games getting free content and making probably more money doing it than either of us in a normal day. I think anyone would have patience for that.
I think the thing about Lav is that she's really sincere, she's just also an idiot. She's completely inconsistent on everything, but that is *because* she's so sincere - she really just feels very strongly about things in the moment and says what she's feeling, and isn't thinking about her past thoughts enough to try and match them together. She doesn't even -realise- how inconsistent she is.
No, No, No you're being too nice. Lav isn't inconsistent. She's actually worse. I would say she's like a colorless void with phrases floating by for her to perceive and she will believe anything those phrases say for as long as she can see them and once they float by they're gone forever.
@@seanjenkins5505 She's a heavily tattooed woman with an onlyfans, please stop expecting any form of actual reasoning or intellect from 304s, people should just view and use them for what they are, and the reason to ever come in contact with such girls surely ain't their personality or brains :P
Isnt it annoying that Mr. Girl demands he be able to repeat himself six times and go off on tangents before anyone can respond to him, but cuts everybody off after they get 3 words out of their mouth?
@@lampad4549 ahem the joke was that Mr. Girl would want cuties to be like one piece which is famous for its length of over 1,000 episodes so basically zherka is saying that Mr. Girl would watch 1,000 episodes of cuties if he could.
She's so dumb dude, it actually hurts my brain lol. But I she was funny when she told off that other girl at the end about why she responded to destiny's criticisms differently than hers
And it didn't even take much before Lav started tripping over her own tangled "logic" while her brain kept slipping out of her hands like soap due to how smooth it is. Hilariously she kept trying to declare victories that literally nobody agrees with lmao. I thought she was an idiot before. Someone pushing back just showed her to be like 13 levels higher on the idiot scale. No wonder she was so anti-Brittany Simon, she's a level 1. 😂
@@niclastname Yeah her calling anyone smooth brained was just.. painful to watch. & she basically even admitted she knew the audience had no idea what she was even talking about but blamed it on them all "being busy" which she made up out of nowhere. & she was all anti only fans but does her own nudes now? Okay lev..
Not even, Steven was at like 50% and cherry sorta gave up at times, there honestly needs to be a discussion about if it's OK to platform people who clearly aren't mentally sufficient, like lav, in spaces like this, it's sick tbh cuz theres only 2 modes she's either spouting complete drivel unmitigated or she's being pushed back on and her lack of anything resembling intelligence is put on display, either way she's a lolcow and no one wins off her platforming other than Steven making his ducketts which I think he would still make without her being attached like the parasite she is
I laughed really hard at the comment of Lav saying sex work doesn't empower women and they shouldn't do it.... but she feels powerful posting nudes. It's the definition of a hypocrite. "I don't think the rest of you should do it. Go out, get an education and career. But me? Naw I can make bank doing it so I'm going to make that money". People that comment on overarching social issues but literally are a part of the cancer within their own worldview just shouldn't talk about any of it. Just go do your thing and get off stream....... Oh wait..... it's free advertising that's right. Edit: Lord.... then the literal "My hands are tied because I like to make money" later.
I think what Lav meant was that feeling powerful is different than being empowered. Like a drunk person may feel powerful, but empowerment is having the mental discipline over alcohol not to get addicted or abuse it, such that you can lead a healthy life with it.
@@SupaDupaDanga I thought so too, but she eventually specified the issues she had with the jenaviv(?) girl @1:06:40 ish. i.e doesn’t agree with her saying sex work itself is empowering, hamming up unhealthy parasocial relationships and crossing the line of hardcore porn. It was just buried behind shitty delivery on both destiny and Lav’s end
@@MO-zk8qs I get what you mean, I think specifically it's weird to say "I don't want young girls to get in this industry" and keep doing stuff revoling around that industry isn't good. If that was Lavs true goal, you can do it in other ways imo
@@frankmarano1118 yeah she does it in seemingly like the most innocent way. I don't think she is actually consciously trying to dodge anything, she just said stuff that she doesn't know is true. It's like hearing someone's thoughts on a new topic out loud.
@@WaffleStomper69 i think its conscious, because she is capable of articulating an answer later when she has pissed off the interloceter enough for her amusement
@@morgangreen2601 it so just seems so oblivious though. I'm sure at times it is conscious but I honestly think that a lot of the time you hear 2 contradicting opinions from her it's bc she hasn't thought about it enough and also has no problem saying what she thinks at any moment. She's also a horrible communicator so that doesn't help.
@@morgangreen2601 and like you said, she's able to articulate it later. Often after the 5th time she's asked about something or talks about it she has a point that is less dumb or nonsensical. That's why I think she often is just thinking out loud until she either finally comes to a decision or until she can articulate it well enough. I'm not running interference for her, I can't stand listening to her, but that's just the perception I get.
Better enjoy it while that 2 is still the first number of her age. She'll probably still look good but people will absolutely not put up with that shit from a 30+ year old.
Lav is so difficult to listen to because it’s just insults and fluff. She flip flops, changes her stance depending on what she’s saying, and the insulting is a clear indication of when she either doesn’t have anything to say back or used as filler when she wants to have multiple points on a subject. This is a debate why is Lav telling everyone to stfu all the time.
I came in to watch some wholesome Destiny debate, and I end up in a 15 year old girls locker room. Last time that happened, things did not go well. There was a girl called Destiny there as well.
@@blagovestaivanova3829 lol, usually we say it's a dick measuring contest with guys, which could happen in a locker room... so I don't get why you had to imply sexism.
Lav is Destiny's gravity chamber. She gives him the opportunity to practice patience and debating someone who does so many gymnastics. I've never seen him get so mad. Sneako at least is consistent in his beliefs despite having whatever shit opinion, doesn't dodge like Lav. Inconsistency I think is more annoying them any shit belief.
you are in a coma, we've been trying to wake you up but everything we tried failed. now we're just trying to cringe you awake. we figured if cringe fails maybe a frustration induced heart attack will do the trick. anyway, we're doing this horrible stuff to you because we want you back eric!
my favorite part of this whole thing was destiny asking lav what sublimation meant then her faking a small breakdown to hide the fact she didnt know what it meant after using it.
Though let's be clear, this is *objectively* the *correct* response when somebody makes a suicide joke about how bad your content is. One, don't put up with that shit, clap back. Two, sure it's *probably* fine, but imagine that one in ten thousand times it's not. People thinking humor and seriousness are somehow mutually exclusive is a deep cancer running through modern society.
@@MoreMonarchy Oh, I agree she's funny. That one I didn't find funny but that's because I didn't see the delivery, she's said things in this video which I smiled at. I just recognize that she is, *simultaneously*, a mentally disabled dangerous individual people should stay far the fuck away from. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
@@rocketrelm1125 man this dissection pasted the atoms of the situation, scientists would like to know how you managed to discover something smaller than atoms so easily
If she spent on books what she spent on makeup and clothes in her life, she wouldn't have read them and asked someone else to buy the makeup. She knows how her bread gets buttered. That was mean and I feel bad, but I'm leaving the thought up cause I had it.
Lav: "I want the personal empowerment and monetary gains from illicit content while maintaining a moral high-ground over other illicit content producers. How can I reverse logic my way into that position..."
@@aubreytherapper5258 I'd think so too. He isn't the one with the issue, so it seems consistent with other examples I've seen. But on the previous one with lav and brittany, Max got kinda crazy xD.
Max was there for like 25m, but I still understand. And if you can't stand Lav, this is a vid for you, it's 2 hours of Lav getting grilled for her flip floppy bullshit
@@leseulgian yeah, she's one of the worst I've seen with her back and forth crap. I DO think a lot of the way she is is just her being young, extremely naive, and learning and growing as she gos along, (she is also trying/learning to be entertaining as a streamer) that's all 100% cool, we've all been there to a degree,lol. She gets into trouble tho because she commits SOOO strongly to completely unfounded positions, flip flops on her unfounded positions constantly and so harshly and rudely condemns others for shit she hasn't even thought about thoroughly or for doing shit that she's literally doing herself? Lol.
Lav: " I'm not doing porn I'm only posting nudes" Can't stop thinking about that Nathan For You scene where he has to explain to the private investigator (who posed in pent house) that nude photos are still porn
LavLunee gets to be completely delusional in life because she’ll always have a man to take her in, and simps to back up her point no matter how idiotic or nonsensical. It’s honestly terrifying she found someone to put a ring on her finger, especially after admitting she’s cheated on every partner she’s had.
All of these comments are shitting on her for some vague elusive thing that you all can't actually point out. What is she wrong about? Just say the thing instead of these empty ad homs
@@loan-shark All of it is just ad homs and weird speculation about her motives. You can say all of the same insults towards any content creator anywhere. Nobody ever levies real criticism towards her or her takes.
every time Max opened his mouth he just dragged down the whole convo, he never added anything, and misinterpreted every single statement, completely worthless on a human level
Lav does not want to be liked. Normally I would respect that but… I feel like she goes out of her way to be disliked by not being herself (probably because she doesn’t like herself that much)
@Almighty Kevin Chaeiry definitely didn’t destroy her. Lav’s thoughts were mostly dog shit, but Chaeiry was unable to hold her to anything. She set her up to get destroyed over and over again but could never follow through. She kept jumping topics all over the place without ever making any actual points. She kept edging everyone so hard without any release.
And when she deleted her youtube vids and complained about chaeiry being the worst person to cover her, its really hard to me to believe joking about self harm was just a joke
bro... you have actual smart people on and around you all the time and you think Lav is smart? she should be smart enough not to flip flop every other second.... and she's clearly not best quote of the video: "just asking you if you're sure is enough to get you to change your position." - cheairy
The points Lav have made aren't bad or inconsistent she's just bad at articulating them. I'm surprised how hard of a time Destiny is having understanding. She's saying pornography can have a negative impact on society both young women who get into it without understanding the repercussions and particular men who think the behaviours in porn are normal. She see the social impact as negative but doesn't condemn the people for doing sexwork (unless they're being predatory or don't think sexwork has a negative impact on society) or people who consume it and also does not think it should be illegal or think that it's wholely bad. She sees different types or pornography having different scales of impact. Her "educational" pornography being on the lower end and BDSM being on the higher end. Destiny keeps trying to make her say it's "good" or it's "bad" is frustrating to watch. Only halfway through so far so we'll see.
See she'll articulate what your saying (badly) at point and it's understandable, but then a sentence latter will just give a blanket statement that sex work it bad, as a category. It would be like me saying this aspect of the democrats or the policy they push is bad, then just revert back to democrats are rats and destroying the country.
@@GobbsBrown how can you be in an industry that is negative for both men and women and not be a hypocrite. She stated in this that she does it knowingly it’s bad but wants the money
Bruh this entire video feels longer than it is I started an hour ago and I feel like I watch for 6 hours already and was confused when I looked at the time to be still not past midnight
Never liked Mr.Girl, never will. I just don't really care for Lav, she's whatever. Stardust is cool, Chaeiry is cool, but God, Mr.Girl triggers so many red flags for me. Max try not to have a conversation where you start with "okay, but what about me?" challenge.
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Only destiny can make vegan gains look good 10/10 lol
no morals 0 honor crying VICTEM att the same time likes when she takes simps money bipolar and hypocrite
Another debate I won by not having a clue who these women are.
Fact
Based
Real
And your better off that way.
Women ☕️
this stream made me realize Lav is actually delusional and not playing some kind of quirky character
You thought that was a character? lol
@@mountanedew9793 yes lol
i think Lav will genuinely believe anything as long as it gives her and avenue to victimize herself/situation even more.
@@mountanedew9793 Some people aren't even on copium, they're high on unaware-ium.
Tfw you experience a real woman's behavior and it is not in fact some quirky anime waifu.
What a great civil debate from prospering members of society
Yes yes I agree my good sir 🧐
Ho ho
Titans of industry
What have we become? Such a shame.
They're prospering alright
Lav is the most insufferable person that Destiny regularly platforms in my opinion
The smugness because she thinks she's smart makes her absolutely unbearable. Smarmy asf.
True. Has there ever been a good conversation with her? Coupled with Vegan Gains, it was quite a tough week.
@@sargeteg5927 I can honestly say none of the conversations that I’ve heard her partake in have been particularly enjoyable. Memorable? For some, sure, but the only thing that has been memorable about those conversations me is distinctly how much I would dislike having any sort of discussion or disagreement with Lav. She’s nice enough and I’m sure she means well, but it should be considered an art form how diametrically opposed she is to forming any sort of a semblance of understanding someone else’s world view.
But the only thing that has been memorable about those conversations FOR me*
Wow interesting point you're farming lav drama with your 11 subscribers 🤔🤔🤔
Lav getting away with it again. Saying jk after spewing some dumb shit is the most overplayed degenerative behavior at this point. She’s just likes getting a rise out of people
Sounds like most people these days. "Oh it's a joke" like stfu
She got a rise out of me..giggity
@@spankbuda7466 Well, maybe but let's not be armchair psychologists, because there's a million different things it could be about.
SHE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
It's the most infuriating thing. She says something that feels sincere and others try to engage with the point but whenever it gets challenging, she tries to meme about it. It happens every time and it derails the conversation. At least in this conversation, she got called out not only on the bs she says but also on this behavior. Probably doesn't happen often enough.
Lav I think did the impossible. She managed to get worse at debating with experience
Not if you're her. She picked up 3 or 4 debate bro terms so she won if you ask her
@@seanjenkins5505 true she did say she won an argument she failed miserably at multiple times throughout the video
@@oxstr8upgreekxo730 and that's all that matters.
(im fucking with you if you didn't know)
@@seanjenkins5505 Generally sarcasm is confusing, but this one translates quite well xD.
@@seanjenkins5505 almost lost my cool without that clarification lol
So glad we could have a conversation where we point out and demonstrate that Lav cannot stick to or stand by a single belief for more than a few seconds. She cannot string together an argument or defend any of her points with coherency. We see time after time that she strongly states an initial position and then falls back to a dozen other points after basically single statements of scrutiny from Destiny. Lav belongs on Destiny's leaderboard for massive smugness / intelligence ratio.
"Lav cannot stick to or stand by a single belief for more than a few seconds" facts. She said Amouranth shouldn't be sexualizing herself for money and that women have an imperative not to because it hurts women. Then literally the next topic they went to she was justifying how it's okay for her to sexualize herself and sell nudes for money because she just really wanted more money. Her husband making over 500k a year just isn't enough and she couldn't possibly be expected to do something other than sell nudes or make less than 150k a year on top of what her husband makes.
I think destiny described it very accurately she seems to have a habit of not going deep with her thoughts/reasons about her beliefs, and instead just splits off to other reasons. So everytime destiny or anyone confronts her about a particular thing, she seems to just jump on to different reasons.
"Where we point and demonstrate" --- once more
Can you imagine if Lav and Sneako had a child together? The stupidity unleashed could rip a hole in space/time.
She spends so much time trying to find reasons why she doesn't like another girl when it's obvious that she's just that kind of girl who straight up doesn't like other girls.
Always nice to see female moderators getting more attention
i laughed way too hard at this
I swear I saw this one coming a mile away 😂😂🤦🏿♂
I love all woman, they're always right and i dont want to elaborate.
bruh this meme is already cringe
@@ceka50 based-cringe horseshoe theory confirmed
36:30 - Zerka saying that Max wishes "cuties" was one piece shouldn't have made me laugh so much
I laughed so fucking hard
That shit was so funny. “Did you run out of filler episodes?”
When max said he needed to leave, Zerka said "we'll see you on the playground" lmao
Not even 5 minutes in while having no clue what happened beforehand: I'm already on Chaeiry's side on account that she doesn't give a fuck about Lav, which also exactly mirrors how I feel.
go off queen
I hate both
Well, the first couple words Lav said also put me there. That's just not what I like to hear when you're trying to sort something out.
I don't like watching adults beat a child. Lav needs to be protected.
This really is a challenging conversation… for me to listen to
It really is hard. I still have a lot left to go. It's painful.
I feel like I run into this problem more and more. Conversations where I understand what the different sides are saying, from their own perspectives, and yet none of them seem to understand what the other is saying, so they're all having conversations past each other, with fictional people who aren't actually there. (Maybe, if I'm lucky, one or two people do understand, but there's always _at least_ one who is so completely having their own conversation that I want to scream.)
I found myself googling the closest bridge
20 minutes in and i already wanna cut my ears off and take a bath with a toaster
@@WaffleStomper69
Make sure u take Flammenco TV with you please, we are begging you.
I always enjoyed symbolism in Destiny's videos. This video perfectly showcases the "Show, don't tell" rule. In this YT video, we can see two Destinys - one is peaceful and feels good, and the other is annoyed, angry, and frustrated. But how can I tell which one is which? Simple, the video game he chooses to play. Factorio (?) is a pretty chill game and when Steven plays it you can see how he feels - he's having a good time. But when he plays games like Doom Eternal (which doesn't happen often) you know something is wrong. Steven becomes resentful and hateful (for a good reason). It was pretty unexpected too. I was blown away when he switched games mid-debate. I know people like to praise August for his editing but Destiny doing "live editing" kind of thing while he's also talking to other people at the same time is incredible and unheard of. The guy's even more brilliant than I thought he was. I can't believe he's just a streamer.
Underrated gem, stealing this for copypasta
I always enjoyed symbolism in Destiny's videos. This video perfectly showcases the "Show, don't tell" rule. In this YT video, we can see two Destinys - one is peaceful and feels good, and the other is annoyed, angry, and frustrated. But how can I tell which one is which? Simple, the video game he chooses to play. Factorio (?) is a pretty chill game and when Steven plays it you can see how he feels - he's having a good time. But when he plays games like Doom Eternal (which doesn't happen often) you know something is wrong. Steven becomes resentful and hateful (for a good reason). It was pretty unexpected too. I was blown away when he switched games mid-debate. I know people like to praise August for his editing but Destiny doing "live editing" kind of thing while he's also talking to other people at the same time is incredible and unheard of. The guy's even more brilliant than I thought he was. I can't believe he's just a streamer.
Doom is 'Dark Brandon' energy Destiny
I now achieved enlightenment.
inside you are two destiny
chaeiry is so on point, Lav getting into victim mode at the end when she got totally lost in her hypocrisy
who is Lav? is she the one with the camera off or the one who looks like Jane from breaking bad?
@@no_sleep_ jane from breaking bad, Chaeriy is the one off camera, and stardust is the other woman with the camera and RGB background
@@eedac thank you so much everyone talks over everyone so much i couldn’t identify anyone
this comment section aged wonderfully :Ronaldo in sippin wine in bathrobe:
Lav's whole position is "do as I say, not as I do"
To be fair that describes my life
The worst kind of people tbh
"Amouranth shouldn't sexualize herself to men for money because it hurts women. Women have an imperative not to do that."
literally minutes later "I started sexualizing myself and posting nudes for money again because I just _really_ wanted more money. My husband making over 500k a year isn't nearly enough. Also it makes me feel powerful."
Everytime lav gets on stream it's either a) drama, b) her attempts at logic that break my brain, or c) a whole room of people some how turning into the most illogical group possible.
It's so good. We need more Lav content. The video where Dan kept egging her on to make everything worse was gold. Every time things started to die down, he'd swoop in and gas everyone up again. No one noticed that Dan was causing all that shit, but he convinced everyone that Lav was the problem all along without ever stating it.
Dan's a real life Littlefinger.
Which one is lav and who are the other women?
Man one day lav isnt gonna insult, shout and interrupt the entire stream.
@@themodmancarl .....sp be quite the whole time...I suppose that be nice.
@@Vashthestampede967 no just have a normal conversation like a normal human being
The god-level amount of patience Destiny has is commendable
Why do you think he plays games at the same time its probably an escape mentally lol
Hes chilling playing games getting free content and making probably more money doing it than either of us in a normal day. I think anyone would have patience for that.
Dude he’s just a man with a woman’s name fixing his factory.
You're right but stop simping
@@ElderlyKoala Wait I always thought this was looped, is he really always playing during these debates?
I think the thing about Lav is that she's really sincere, she's just also an idiot. She's completely inconsistent on everything, but that is *because* she's so sincere - she really just feels very strongly about things in the moment and says what she's feeling, and isn't thinking about her past thoughts enough to try and match them together. She doesn't even -realise- how inconsistent she is.
No, No, No you're being too nice. Lav isn't inconsistent. She's actually worse. I would say she's like a colorless void with phrases floating by for her to perceive and she will believe anything those phrases say for as long as she can see them and once they float by they're gone forever.
She’s just pretty attractive so the impulse to simp for her is always gonna be there
damn that's pretty accurate, i wanna like lav but i hope she reads your comment and thinks a bit more about her positions
@@Thenumber12pwns bruv if that’s attractive you need jesus
@@seanjenkins5505 She's a heavily tattooed woman with an onlyfans, please stop expecting any form of actual reasoning or intellect from 304s, people should just view and use them for what they are, and the reason to ever come in contact with such girls surely ain't their personality or brains :P
Isnt it annoying that Mr. Girl demands he be able to repeat himself six times and go off on tangents before anyone can respond to him, but cuts everybody off after they get 3 words out of their mouth?
Every time mrgirl interrupts I literally wish someone would tell him to shut up. Literally can't have a conversation with people
so true
Lav had to ask if she’s bad…as if we all don’t know L.A.V stands for Lack of Awareness and Variety
LOL
This comment wins everything
Ohh shit, I gotta remember that.
lmao when lav was cracking a joke, no one laughed, chaeiry calls her out on in, then destiny laughs at that. great moment.
Timestamp
@@Biblig like around 18:45
@@Arouxayis Jesus tht hurt to watch
Zherka saying Mr. Girl wished Cuties was like One Piece is one of the funniest things he's ever said on stream.
so confused as to how those two correlate with each other.
@@lampad4549 ahem the joke was that Mr. Girl would want cuties to be like one piece which is famous for its length of over 1,000 episodes so basically zherka is saying that Mr. Girl would watch 1,000 episodes of cuties if he could.
@@lampad4549 one piece is very long
@@theholoren okay
@@MasteRgamer-mk5bp knew it was joke just didn't get it's, just taught they were both dumb kid shows
Does Lav always try to be the biggest narcissist in the room or is she just really talented at it?
She would be, but Mr Girl is in the room
@@blakebush7661 Mr. girl based tho
@@OneofEvil nah dawg
Practice makes mediocre
All I needed. Some actual Lav pushback.
She's so dumb dude, it actually hurts my brain lol. But I she was funny when she told off that other girl at the end about why she responded to destiny's criticisms differently than hers
And it didn't even take much before Lav started tripping over her own tangled "logic" while her brain kept slipping out of her hands like soap due to how smooth it is. Hilariously she kept trying to declare victories that literally nobody agrees with lmao. I thought she was an idiot before. Someone pushing back just showed her to be like 13 levels higher on the idiot scale. No wonder she was so anti-Brittany Simon, she's a level 1. 😂
@@niclastname Yeah her calling anyone smooth brained was just.. painful to watch. & she basically even admitted she knew the audience had no idea what she was even talking about but blamed it on them all "being busy" which she made up out of nowhere. & she was all anti only fans but does her own nudes now? Okay lev..
Not even, Steven was at like 50% and cherry sorta gave up at times, there honestly needs to be a discussion about if it's OK to platform people who clearly aren't mentally sufficient, like lav, in spaces like this, it's sick tbh cuz theres only 2 modes she's either spouting complete drivel unmitigated or she's being pushed back on and her lack of anything resembling intelligence is put on display, either way she's a lolcow and no one wins off her platforming other than Steven making his ducketts which I think he would still make without her being attached like the parasite she is
God i wish Chaery came in prepared i wanted to take her side so bad but couldn't substantiate most of her points
Doesn't make Lav any less delusional
I laughed really hard at the comment of Lav saying sex work doesn't empower women and they shouldn't do it.... but she feels powerful posting nudes.
It's the definition of a hypocrite. "I don't think the rest of you should do it. Go out, get an education and career. But me? Naw I can make bank doing it so I'm going to make that money". People that comment on overarching social issues but literally are a part of the cancer within their own worldview just shouldn't talk about any of it. Just go do your thing and get off stream....... Oh wait..... it's free advertising that's right.
Edit: Lord.... then the literal "My hands are tied because I like to make money" later.
I think what Lav meant was that feeling powerful is different than being empowered. Like a drunk person may feel powerful, but empowerment is having the mental discipline over alcohol not to get addicted or abuse it, such that you can lead a healthy life with it.
@@MO-zk8qs I agree, but the issue is she's judging and ousting people for doings things that's she's doing as well. She's being hypocritical
@@SupaDupaDanga I thought so too, but she eventually specified the issues she had with the jenaviv(?) girl @1:06:40 ish. i.e doesn’t agree with her saying sex work itself is empowering, hamming up unhealthy parasocial relationships and crossing the line of hardcore porn.
It was just buried behind shitty delivery on both destiny and Lav’s end
@@MO-zk8qs thanks for the nuanced take
@@MO-zk8qs I get what you mean, I think specifically it's weird to say "I don't want young girls to get in this industry" and keep doing stuff revoling around that industry isn't good. If that was Lavs true goal, you can do it in other ways imo
Lav walks off her own points/positions way too often and way too easily
Yeah her personality isn't weasely but she sure is slippery when it comes to staking out a position isn't she?
@@frankmarano1118 yeah she does it in seemingly like the most innocent way. I don't think she is actually consciously trying to dodge anything, she just said stuff that she doesn't know is true. It's like hearing someone's thoughts on a new topic out loud.
@@WaffleStomper69 i think its conscious, because she is capable of articulating an answer later when she has pissed off the interloceter enough for her amusement
@@morgangreen2601 it so just seems so oblivious though. I'm sure at times it is conscious but I honestly think that a lot of the time you hear 2 contradicting opinions from her it's bc she hasn't thought about it enough and also has no problem saying what she thinks at any moment. She's also a horrible communicator so that doesn't help.
@@morgangreen2601 and like you said, she's able to articulate it later. Often after the 5th time she's asked about something or talks about it she has a point that is less dumb or nonsensical. That's why I think she often is just thinking out loud until she either finally comes to a decision or until she can articulate it well enough. I'm not running interference for her, I can't stand listening to her, but that's just the perception I get.
Ima be honest, watching Lav debate…feels kinda like self harm 😅🤷🏾♂️
Should I link you the suicide hotline 😂😂😂
Lav has been, is, and always will be severely addicted to attention. Definitely her biggest weakness
Better enjoy it while that 2 is still the first number of her age. She'll probably still look good but people will absolutely not put up with that shit from a 30+ year old.
Every time I feel inconsistent in an argument as a woman, I come here and watch one of Destiny’s panels with Lav and come out with a sense of relief
Being more consistent that Lav is a pretty low bar
@@Theo-vn9hm it’s a bar it’s better than none jeez
Keep on trucking sister ungawa
Lav finally getting it - “I feel like you’re making me feel like I’m saying something stupid”
Lav is so difficult to listen to because it’s just insults and fluff. She flip flops, changes her stance depending on what she’s saying, and the insulting is a clear indication of when she either doesn’t have anything to say back or used as filler when she wants to have multiple points on a subject. This is a debate why is Lav telling everyone to stfu all the time.
I mean... They both were doing that. It's insufferable.
Lav is a complete fraud
Love how Boogie's face is looming over this conversation.
Booger
I came in to watch some wholesome Destiny debate, and I end up in a 15 year old girls locker room. Last time that happened, things did not go well. There was a girl called Destiny there as well.
I can bet you 1a million dollars u have never characterised other drama between men like that
@@blagovestaivanova3829 lol, usually we say it's a dick measuring contest with guys, which could happen in a locker room... so I don't get why you had to imply sexism.
@@blagovestaivanova3829 what’s your point here
mr girl protégé
@@solar88cowboy Trying to argue it’s sexist, probably. People are kind of retarded.
Watching someone talk through their cognitive dissonance in real time is wild.
The only girl in this call that didn’t make me lose brain cells was Destiny.
AMAZIN
It was a true win for BIPOC
Destiny switching from factorio to doom as he got progressively got more frustrated is really telling.
Lav was there
Lav is Destiny's gravity chamber. She gives him the opportunity to practice patience and debating someone who does so many gymnastics. I've never seen him get so mad. Sneako at least is consistent in his beliefs despite having whatever shit opinion, doesn't dodge like Lav. Inconsistency I think is more annoying them any shit belief.
I want the Sneako/ Lav debate but versus 9 year old Nathan and one of his friends from school.
@@nickgardner1408 that would be be amazin
@@nickgardner1408 Brilliant. I don't like either of them individually, but together I think they would produce quality entertainment.
destiny and the schizos sounds like a great band name and should be the title of this vid
Why am I here. What has my life come to
you are in a coma, we've been trying to wake you up but everything we tried failed. now we're just trying to cringe you awake. we figured if cringe fails maybe a frustration induced heart attack will do the trick. anyway, we're doing this horrible stuff to you because we want you back eric!
Destiny's ability to grind a game and have a intellectual debate at the same time is one point
my favorite part of this whole thing was destiny asking lav what sublimation meant then her faking a small breakdown to hide the fact she didnt know what it meant after using it.
lol that’s my favorite part too
Timestamp
pls time stamp LOL
Honestly that sounds hilarious. What is sublimation btw? Is it when you listen to sublime and turn weed from a solid to a gas?
@@TheTGOAC Sublimation generally means that you're internalizing new knowledge (or behaviours) intentionally and gradually.
I love how much destiny is thoroughly enjoying every second of this nonsense.
Jerry Springer for zoomers.
lol
Don’t malign the name of the great Springer
The whole suicide hotline thing is hilarious. She made a joke about something and got a serious response. Can’t really be mad at that
Though let's be clear, this is *objectively* the *correct* response when somebody makes a suicide joke about how bad your content is. One, don't put up with that shit, clap back. Two, sure it's *probably* fine, but imagine that one in ten thousand times it's not. People thinking humor and seriousness are somehow mutually exclusive is a deep cancer running through modern society.
@@rocketrelm1125 idk I thought it was pretty funny. Solid 5.8/10
@@MoreMonarchy Oh, I agree she's funny. That one I didn't find funny but that's because I didn't see the delivery, she's said things in this video which I smiled at. I just recognize that she is, *simultaneously*, a mentally disabled dangerous individual people should stay far the fuck away from. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
@@rocketrelm1125 man this dissection pasted the atoms of the situation, scientists would like to know how you managed to discover something smaller than atoms so easily
@@rocketrelm1125 🤣 👉💊➰⛽
Lav is the perfect example of someone who didn't put any effort into her thoughts or personality and just relied on her looks to get through life.
If she spent on books what she spent on makeup and clothes in her life, she wouldn't have read them and asked someone else to buy the makeup. She knows how her bread gets buttered. That was mean and I feel bad, but I'm leaving the thought up cause I had it.
This guy gets it 👍
Never seen someone pick the wrong answer when asked about their own opinions
You ever watch that one johntron debate?
Made it to exactly 1 minute 20, have to evac because holy shit i am not drunk enough to listen to Lav calling someone else smooth brain.
If you think about it this way its a compliment because lav might be the first person to have a spherical brain.
It's a movie she starred in called 'Eternal Sunshine of the Smooth Brain'
@@seanjenkins5505 Could it be... Have we found proof of smoother brains than H3 and Hasan?
No no, stay my friend. Make yourself comfortable, we have a wonderful viewing experience prepared for you. It gets better, trust me. c:
@@iz2333 How do I do that? Watching stuff like this gives me a headache and exhausts me. What mindset do you use to enjoy watching this dumpster fire?
Streams like this make me appreciate Destiny even more. These people are so insufferable he looks like the second coming.
"I'm confused"
"I know you're confused, I'm so fucking not interested"
Lmaooo Chaeiry was on fire with these retorts, sis roasted tf out of Lav
Lav: "I want the personal empowerment and monetary gains from illicit content while maintaining a moral high-ground over other illicit content producers. How can I reverse logic my way into that position..."
Chaeiry is actually funny haha her quips are good
Last time lav was in a video, I didn't even attempt to watch it. 5 mins in, I don't regret not watching a one on one with her.
"I don't like doing this but it makes money" sounds like every fucking job ever
Lav has no right to ever call someone else smooth brained lmao
Does lav has this huge clout going on that I don't know about that makes all this somehow worth all the suffering of having her on this much?
No, probably not. But Destiny relishes this type of shit. He absolutely loves the drama, and he's in his element among this chaos xD.
Destiny likes to make us suffer.
She has a really nice body imo.
Add timestamps to when Destiny gets involved in the convo please
I hate MrGirl, I hate Zherka, I hate Lav. Misoginy? No.
I Luh Stardust
I Luh Chaeiry
How could anybody hate The Infrared JonZherka??? He's my favorite streamer! He yells about Communism real good!!
How the fuck could you hate Zherka
@@ForeverMasterless he enabled Lav conversations
Masagony***
everytime i hear lav speak, a rage awakens in me that is unexplainable OMFG
Got an ex with BPD, too? I hear you brother
The women on this panel are cringe...especially Destiny
I legitimately spit out my drink when I read this and now my bed is covered in soda and my spit. Thanks a lot 😂
Good one.
"How do I get rid of wood?"
Listening to these two did it for me at least.
You had it in the first place bruh
Hubba hubba twiddles cigar with spinning lapel flower
I think Lav has just outpaced us all intellectually.
We should all strive to be so nuanced and intersectional in our opinions.
Amazing stuff, truly.
36:48 “you wish it was One Piece.” Probably the most I’ve laughed during one of these debates
every time I start to like Lav, she becomes insufferable. Neat.
Bayzed
She really did effectively advertise her OF through her arc.
I feel sorry for anyone trying to call Lav out on her shii.. its like talking to an entitled brick wall o.o...
MrGirl is the king of meta-conversation derailments
Do people actually watch Lav? What does she have to offer on stream? Is her audience just 100% coomer smoothbrains?
……the worst thing about this is she most likely drives a car….on the road…..with other people…..
Is Max breaking character here??? man i love seeing him in these kinds of streams just vibin and jumping in every now and then lol
Isnt that pretty consistent with max ?
@@aubreytherapper5258 I'd think so too. He isn't the one with the issue, so it seems consistent with other examples I've seen. But on the previous one with lav and brittany, Max got kinda crazy xD.
I made an interesting discovery: playing the soundtrack of Bram Stoker's Dracula fits perfectly over every Lav drama war.
This was a golden era that we never appreciated as such
God bless ya Steven, but I CANNOT sit through 2 hours of Max AND Lav. Hope others enjoy the vid tho✌
Nobody enjoys this.
smart choice
Max was there for like 25m, but I still understand. And if you can't stand Lav, this is a vid for you, it's 2 hours of Lav getting grilled for her flip floppy bullshit
Based
@@leseulgian yeah, she's one of the worst I've seen with her back and forth crap. I DO think a lot of the way she is is just her being young, extremely naive, and learning and growing as she gos along, (she is also trying/learning to be entertaining as a streamer) that's all 100% cool, we've all been there to a degree,lol. She gets into trouble tho because she commits SOOO strongly to completely unfounded positions, flip flops on her unfounded positions constantly and so harshly and rudely condemns others for shit she hasn't even thought about thoroughly or for doing shit that she's literally doing herself? Lol.
Shit was so wild he had to load up Doom.
This was worth watching just for those last 10 minutes, absolute gold john
Hope you're safe and healthy. Thank you for still uploading for us, even in the middle of a hurricane. Please take care!
Lav: " I'm not doing porn I'm only posting nudes"
Can't stop thinking about that Nathan For You scene where he has to explain to the private investigator (who posed in pent house) that nude photos are still porn
Why does stardust even come into these streams if she doesn’t even participate lmao
Sex work isn’t empowering! It just makes me feel powerful!
Somehow this made it into my algo. Can I get the number for that suicide hotline plz? Cuz wtf even is this?
I saw Mr. Girl and Lav together and I knew it was gonna be a fucking banger.
Okay Zherka being there made it funnier lmao
LavLunee gets to be completely delusional in life because she’ll always have a man to take her in, and simps to back up her point no matter how idiotic or nonsensical. It’s honestly terrifying she found someone to put a ring on her finger, especially after admitting she’s cheated on every partner she’s had.
@@loan-shark she literally looks like handsome Squidward tho
Hm, you found the secrets of echo chambers.
Hasan Piker, Vaush and Mr Girl are pretty much moving in the same direction.
All of these comments are shitting on her for some vague elusive thing that you all can't actually point out. What is she wrong about? Just say the thing instead of these empty ad homs
She’s not even good looking. Would only tap that with beer goggles on tbh, she’s like a 5-6 at most
@@loan-shark All of it is just ad homs and weird speculation about her motives. You can say all of the same insults towards any content creator anywhere. Nobody ever levies real criticism towards her or her takes.
every time Max opened his mouth he just dragged down the whole convo, he never added anything, and misinterpreted every single statement, completely worthless on a human level
“You’re actually doing porn right now bc you’re fucking all of our minds, without consent” -Chaeiry
1:11:33
When she said this, I just lost it 🤣
Lav does not want to be liked. Normally I would respect that but… I feel like she goes out of her way to be disliked by not being herself (probably because she doesn’t like herself that much)
Lav is insufferable. I'll mute and play in another tab for the watch time.
She struggles to even word why child abuse is bad?
She identifies as a witch and is a part of a coven.. this is the CRINGIEST ish I've ever seen. So hard to watch..
Lav
“I do not like porn, I think it’s bad for society”
Lave
*posts porn on internet
Holy smokes🤦♂️
Also lav: "What am I flipflopping on?!"
As frustrating as Lav was at times in this conversation, Chaeiry was an absolute cancer to any dialog.
@Almighty Kevin Chaeiry definitely didn’t destroy her. Lav’s thoughts were mostly dog shit, but Chaeiry was unable to hold her to anything. She set her up to get destroyed over and over again but could never follow through. She kept jumping topics all over the place without ever making any actual points. She kept edging everyone so hard without any release.
Equating Lavs self harm joke to a suicide threat is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone say
Stardust again is the MVP of the stream
Destiny really sat here and tried to defend lav this whole time when she was saying shit like this
Ironic that Lav jokes about how watching Chaeiry's stream is self harm when listening to Lav speak is legitimate self harm.
And when she deleted her youtube vids and complained about chaeiry being the worst person to cover her, its really hard to me to believe joking about self harm was just a joke
bro... you have actual smart people on and around you all the time and you think Lav is smart? she should be smart enough not to flip flop every other second.... and she's clearly not
best quote of the video: "just asking you if you're sure is enough to get you to change your position." - cheairy
Not sure why but the casual “don’t you watch Cuties?” Drop out of nowhere, got me chuckling.
Watching videos with Lav sets my development back years at a time. How I feel more like caveman after she speaky many words?
Why use lot word when few word do trick?
The points Lav have made aren't bad or inconsistent she's just bad at articulating them. I'm surprised how hard of a time Destiny is having understanding.
She's saying pornography can have a negative impact on society both young women who get into it without understanding the repercussions and particular men who think the behaviours in porn are normal.
She see the social impact as negative but doesn't condemn the people for doing sexwork (unless they're being predatory or don't think sexwork has a negative impact on society) or people who consume it and also does not think it should be illegal or think that it's wholely bad.
She sees different types or pornography having different scales of impact. Her "educational" pornography being on the lower end and BDSM being on the higher end.
Destiny keeps trying to make her say it's "good" or it's "bad" is frustrating to watch. Only halfway through so far so we'll see.
See she'll articulate what your saying (badly) at point and it's understandable, but then a sentence latter will just give a blanket statement that sex work it bad, as a category. It would be like me saying this aspect of the democrats or the policy they push is bad, then just revert back to democrats are rats and destroying the country.
@Almighty Kevin You can participate an industry and still be critical of the industry and others in the industry
@@GobbsBrown yeah i think that's just being morally inconsistent
@@GobbsBrown how can you be in an industry that is negative for both men and women and not be a hypocrite. She stated in this that she does it knowingly it’s bad but wants the money
Bruh this entire video feels longer than it is
I started an hour ago and I feel like I watch for 6 hours already and was confused when I looked at the time to be still not past midnight
Never liked Mr.Girl, never will. I just don't really care for Lav, she's whatever. Stardust is cool, Chaeiry is cool, but God, Mr.Girl triggers so many red flags for me. Max try not to have a conversation where you start with "okay, but what about me?" challenge.