I think Mont'ka can be just as strong as Kauyon. It's just not meant for fighting head on but rather for harrasing vulnerable points and gens with crisis suits and other jumping units and then overpowering the enemy with hammerheads and superior economy.
Can somebody tell me why those top tier players flow thousands of rec and power without even being fully capped? Is this some kind of special strategy I am not aware of? Thx guys and great cast, btw.
I would guess it's because the fight is just that intense that they forget about economy. It can be easy to forgot about late game and more units are a lot harder to control. You could make huge army but not control it.
If tau wants to have any chance of beating IG in the late game is to go Kayon and spam baracudas and stealth suits to deal with the enemy IG vehicles because IG vehicles outrange Tau hammerheads and they have better armor so tau needs the kroots to soak dmg and baracudas and fire warriors to do good in order to have any chance in the late otherwise tau is fucked by IG Also the Crisis suits are absolute dogshit unit.
I think mont'ka is just as good as kayon. He's just not abusing its range. His units dies constantly. Kroot hounds are much better than crisis suits though. He's also floating a lot. He had all the chances to bear negative but bad micro and all the pskyer stuns doomed him.
I feel like Hammerheads need higher damage or range or mobility or something and Crisis Suits need to be cheaper or in squads or have more flexible weapon customization for Mont'ka to be useful. That or just don't make the extra unit upgrades exclusive to Kauyon.
Hammerheads deal the most DPS out of any non-relic vehicle. Its the Crisis suits that need a tweak. Perhaps more range or something since they melt instantly to Tier 3 armies.
What's wrong with that? T4 fights are fun. Also it makes sense cuz both players, with experience could counter each other t2 or t3 units. It's hard to counter fast t4. Also baneblade is a lot better than gnarloc
@@magicmanscott40k no it's always works fine it just depend how many your steals units you lose on that attack. You goal is not kill whole squad of your enemies but just his vehicles and that could be done in seconds. Just jump in burs with all they can and leave asap. In case like here his lemans would be turn into a scap in seconds
Kauyon is anti-melee; Mont'ka is anti-ranged. Mont'ka is the correct choice against IG. IG player was just better. Tau made no use of damage reduction from Fire Warrior shield drones, or disruption from XV88 missiles and Skyray missiles. Vespids are essential at all stages of the game and devilfish are essential once available. Mont'ka is inherently attack based and not enough attacking was done. All that jump infantry and stealth allows for instantaneous concentration of force, but the player kept sending them in one by one. Range counters slow melee. Kauyon would be inherently countered by IG just shooting the various Kroot.
@dejan zekan In a meta sense you may be right, but that's not how I'm looking at it. Kauyon obviously is about kroot and melee, it's just that the upgrades to fire warriors are very misleading. In the end, Mont'ka is still the ranged firepower choice even if the fire warriors don't get more range.
Not a bad idea as you can reveal units and have higher damage. Might be better to tech up as once tau gets the stealthsuits upgrade, the chimera become useless. Fast baselik might be the way to go with maybe guard harass on the side.
@@sonofdurin8044 I would just watch more ig videos as they show you what to do. Really you should adept to your opponent strategy and build around that. As guard is great at defense, that can be a good option too.
The moment he was destroying the imperial guards base and split his crisis battle suit attack and hammer head attack into 2 separate attacks instead of hanging back until he could have amassed a larger army was the moment he lost. Also using the flame thrower upgrade on crisis battle suites was a mistake the flame thrower is worthless. You want to combine your kroot attack with ranged attack and you're basically unstoppable. You utalize the kroot squad with leap upgrade to tie up as many units as possible while your ranged squads attack from afar along side hammer heads, the best way to use hammer heads is to keep them moving.you can utalize the jump ability (crisis battle suits) to jump into the middle of infantry squads. The fire warriors can utalize different upgrades to make them effective against vehicles. The key to using Tao is intelligent managment of the melee and ranged squad dynamic along side constant micro and use of stealth squads to disrupt the enemy base and resources. He was good until he got to tier 4 it was like he didnt know how to use those units or somthing Hahahaha. He had the game literally in the bag but allowed his hammerheads which at the time were pretty much his only units to be destroyed.
only option i see for the tau would be full focus on harass with stealth suits and baracudas.. both players floating so he can just keep spamming units on the front and jumping on IG's tech buildings. Fighting head on IG always wins it's not even funny lol
The Tau are kinda meant to do that anyway. Isn't it part of their battlefield philosophy to take advantage of as many potential weaknesses as possible instead of just pushing through the enemy lines?
So on the second game the Tao players main mistake was not utilizing the kroot along side his ranged fire warriors with crisis battle suits (missiles equipped) and hammer heads along side missile barrage from other vehicle (cant remember the name) all he had to do was use the kroot to tie up the main bulk of negatives forces while maximizing damage from ranged unit with lots of micro of course. He would have won. He looks like a novice player here.
He didn't have infantry for most of the match which is stupid. He should've made an army along side hammerheads. Kroot make a lot sense especially with guard tier 3 units.
Tau player (sorry for this) kinda sucks -> is too slow to get to higher tiers and bad choices between Monka and Kayoun as well as having pretty big army which is camping away of danger doing basically nothing...
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I love it, every time Astro says "Well, Mont'ka can be good if....." you know he wants to end the sentence with "If it wasn't for Kauyon"!
Both are good but kauyon is good is almost any situation. I still think hammerheads are viable.
Great video. I really enjoy the recording with the narration. Nice audio footnote for intelligence of game match. Keep the new matches. Thank you.
I think Mont'ka can be just as strong as Kauyon. It's just not meant for fighting head on but rather for harrasing vulnerable points and gens with crisis suits and other jumping units and then overpowering the enemy with hammerheads and superior economy.
I'd go mont'ka just for hammerheads. The battlesuits suck
Thanks for the vid. :D
Was interesting to see the limits of montka.
Can somebody tell me why those top tier players flow thousands of rec and power without even being fully capped? Is this some kind of special strategy I am not aware of? Thx guys and great cast, btw.
I prioritise the power upgrade first and the requisition upgrade 2nd playing as Tau
I would guess it's because the fight is just that intense that they forget about economy. It can be easy to forgot about late game and more units are a lot harder to control. You could make huge army but not control it.
If tau wants to have any chance of beating IG in the late game is to go Kayon and spam baracudas and stealth suits to deal with the enemy IG vehicles because IG vehicles outrange Tau hammerheads and they have better armor so tau needs the kroots to soak dmg and baracudas and fire warriors to do good in order to have any chance in the late otherwise tau is fucked by IG
Also the Crisis suits are absolute dogshit unit.
wow i cant remember this game
was a long long time ago
the game is at least 9 years ago
and sadly they still havent made a better version
insane micro by IG wow
Don't 'Ka vs IG in 1v1
I think mont'ka is just as good as kayon. He's just not abusing its range. His units dies constantly. Kroot hounds are much better than crisis suits though. He's also floating a lot. He had all the chances to bear negative but bad micro and all the pskyer stuns doomed him.
love the game since i was 3yo but never played pvp can u pls tell me how diftent maps afect races since the stronger army wins no mater where it is.
I feel like Hammerheads need higher damage or range or mobility or something and Crisis Suits need to be cheaper or in squads or have more flexible weapon customization for Mont'ka to be useful. That or just don't make the extra unit upgrades exclusive to Kauyon.
I think hammerheads have the highest dps in the game. The crisis suits are good on small fights. Not really in major fights.
i think crisis suits should have been squads of 3 would have made them good imo
Hammerheads deal the most DPS out of any non-relic vehicle. Its the Crisis suits that need a tweak. Perhaps more range or something since they melt instantly to Tier 3 armies.
It's a shame that we didn't see more basilisk harassment, or it is just the meta. Players rush to Tier 4 and smash each other with their best units.
What's wrong with that? T4 fights are fun. Also it makes sense cuz both players, with experience could counter each other t2 or t3 units. It's hard to counter fast t4. Also baneblade is a lot better than gnarloc
Wouldve liked to see some steathsuits with fusion blasters counter IG armour
It's pretty risky as ig can reveal units anytime with scan. It would only work if the units are out of positions.
@@magicmanscott40k no it's always works fine it just depend how many your steals units you lose on that attack. You goal is not kill whole squad of your enemies but just his vehicles and that could be done in seconds. Just jump in burs with all they can and leave asap. In case like here his lemans would be turn into a scap in seconds
Kauyon is anti-melee; Mont'ka is anti-ranged. Mont'ka is the correct choice against IG. IG player was just better. Tau made no use of damage reduction from Fire Warrior shield drones, or disruption from XV88 missiles and Skyray missiles. Vespids are essential at all stages of the game and devilfish are essential once available. Mont'ka is inherently attack based and not enough attacking was done. All that jump infantry and stealth allows for instantaneous concentration of force, but the player kept sending them in one by one.
Range counters slow melee. Kauyon would be inherently countered by IG just shooting the various Kroot.
@dejan zekan In a meta sense you may be right, but that's not how I'm looking at it. Kauyon obviously is about kroot and melee, it's just that the upgrades to fire warriors are very misleading. In the end, Mont'ka is still the ranged firepower choice even if the fire warriors don't get more range.
If he used his units more intelligently he could have won relatively easily once he had the hammer heads.
Yeah hammerheads kills ig tanks in seconds
Is the community still going pretty strong for this?
it has active player base in Steam currently, not much competition though
Oh okay. Id bought it as a stand alone game out of like Walmart, mot that that would be different servers. Just curious
As IG, should you build táctica control during T1?
More likely during transition to t2
@@neon_future thank you for your reply. Is there a guide on how to counter different races? Thanks
Not a bad idea as you can reveal units and have higher damage. Might be better to tech up as once tau gets the stealthsuits upgrade, the chimera become useless. Fast baselik might be the way to go with maybe guard harass on the side.
@@sonofdurin8044 I would just watch more ig videos as they show you what to do. Really you should adept to your opponent strategy and build around that. As guard is great at defense, that can be a good option too.
The moment he was destroying the imperial guards base and split his crisis battle suit attack and hammer head attack into 2 separate attacks instead of hanging back until he could have amassed a larger army was the moment he lost. Also using the flame thrower upgrade on crisis battle suites was a mistake the flame thrower is worthless. You want to combine your kroot attack with ranged attack and you're basically unstoppable. You utalize the kroot squad with leap upgrade to tie up as many units as possible while your ranged squads attack from afar along side hammer heads, the best way to use hammer heads is to keep them moving.you can utalize the jump ability (crisis battle suits) to jump into the middle of infantry squads. The fire warriors can utalize different upgrades to make them effective against vehicles. The key to using Tao is intelligent managment of the melee and ranged squad dynamic along side constant micro and use of stealth squads to disrupt the enemy base and resources. He was good until he got to tier 4 it was like he didnt know how to use those units or somthing Hahahaha. He had the game literally in the bag but allowed his hammerheads which at the time were pretty much his only units to be destroyed.
1st game
He had to split army cuz he sent tanks to destroy his vechile factory. He should've guarded it in the first place to prevent this.
Perser84 still playing wtf
good content
I dont know if games where the players flood up to 1600 are worth to cast. I guess its hard to find good replays?
Yeah, currently I can assume a replay would be good only by looking at the player names, and sadly, not all of those are worth recording.
They floated for awhile but you can see at the end, they both were low on resources. Once negative built his new bases, he would be unstoppable
You're right btw, the Tao main advantage is infantry. The crisis battle suits with flame thrower are worthless always use missiles
They would've gotten tons of kills if it wasn't for the priests
only option i see for the tau would be full focus on harass with stealth suits and baracudas.. both players floating so he can just keep spamming units on the front and jumping on IG's tech buildings. Fighting head on IG always wins it's not even funny lol
The Tau are kinda meant to do that anyway. Isn't it part of their battlefield philosophy to take advantage of as many potential weaknesses as possible instead of just pushing through the enemy lines?
Nice video
Отлично
I wanna see a flyed ones rush get countered
Just impossible! :D
I don't think this players are elite in what they do they made a lot of bad decisions ..
So on the second game the Tao players main mistake was not utilizing the kroot along side his ranged fire warriors with crisis battle suits (missiles equipped) and hammer heads along side missile barrage from other vehicle (cant remember the name) all he had to do was use the kroot to tie up the main bulk of negatives forces while maximizing damage from ranged unit with lots of micro of course. He would have won. He looks like a novice player here.
He didn't have infantry for most of the match which is stupid. He should've made an army along side hammerheads. Kroot make a lot sense especially with guard tier 3 units.
12 years ago...
if his a good tau with his skill he couldnt even beat a comp
lol
Yeah the tau player made tons of mistakes. He definitely could've won if he played right
Tau player (sorry for this) kinda sucks -> is too slow to get to higher tiers and bad choices between Monka and Kayoun as well as having pretty big army which is camping away of danger doing basically nothing...
Awful games. IG did not deserve to win.
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