A friend of mine has a 65 foot, three masted schooner pilothouse, with this same setup. Different hinge mechanism, with the mast between outboard supports, but same type of overall configuration. I love the simplicity of it.
Your boat is the first I've seen that holds to the classic sail trim and sail attachment techniques, except for 1800s tall ships. I love it! Makes me realize how many other options there are out there to sail rigging.
Awesome to see a rig without winches, a back stay, etc.... I just sail a cat rigged dinghy, but it's a sliding gunter from a Herreshoff book. It's unstayed and cuts like a knife upwind.
Thank you for this video, I am about to start construction for a 27 foot sailboat and I am considering a tabernacle for the mast, this was very helpful for me as I think about options.
I am about to haul my own (much less interesting, production) boat in that same yard, and put it on it's trailer; but I have to pay for the crane. Panope is an impressive and very salty boat. Thank you for sharing it with us!
Awesome job! I have an idea to do something similar but having it swing forward rather than aft, using the boom as the gin pole. This would not be a system for stowing the rig, just something to get it under low bridges. I would think something like this would be fairly simple to do for a boat in the 26-30 ft range.
Steve, Your testing is awesome, it beats all the previous anchor tests cause your approach is so practical and realistic. I wonder if I could ask you for a favour......when you have time could you test the 21lb Spade. This is the ultimate weapon for the trailerable sailboats crowd and it would be interesting to compare its performance to its big brother that passed your tests so well. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Thanks, Roman I absolutely will conduct a full test video for the 21lb. Spade. The truth is, I have already given it the full test protocol, twice! - once with Panope and again with the motor boat. Unfortunately, both times the video footage was unusable so I am waiting for a third opportunity. Stay tuned.
Hi, I was thinking of doing the same with a traditional aluminum keel stepped mast (thinner walled oval section) . My only concern has been that the bolted/jointed section would be less flexible than the rest of the mast, the rigid section straining the flex. Your mast being so much stronger obviously doesn't have these concerns.
If your rig was originally designed to be keel stepped, then it may be very important that the tabernacle retain similar strength as a continuous mast. My "scarf joint" was an attempt at this. You might need an engineer to verify the strength of your proposal.
My rig is just for day sailing on an inland lake and is the mast is deck stepped. I am getting old and an little help from a tall tabernacle sure would make it easier. I would rig a short mast for starters for my Paceship 'mouette' 1976 w/ 19' length 6' beam w/ 23' mast 6' of retractable swing keel, a fast boat. But the 23' mast is a lot heavy for a couple of old guys. Maybe try using pvc to test for fit before putting out the dollars for steel.l.. Thumbs up for you, great work and great video!.
Thanks Terry, I am in Washington State. No plans to live aboard full time. Boat is used locally with up to 2 or 3 week trips around the Salish Sea. Someday, I will take a long Summer break and make the trip up the Inside Passage to Alaska. This is the mission that I had in mind when I modified Panope into her current configuration.
@@flygoodwin I've often wondered why more sailboats don't use power-line guys that are all over the country and stand up for years in the elements as standing rigging. It must be the weight, because they are very strong and easy to install. Any comments on this?
@@TerrydeAlaskaOff the top of head, the thing comes to mind is that this wire may have fairly large strands and may not be able to make the small radius bends required for making strong 'eyes'.
@@flygoodwin they use a guy-grip deadend to connect to the wire. , or three bolt clamps. www.georgiaunderground.net/products/3-8-dead-end-preformed-plp-gde-1107.html?sku=PLP%20GDE-1107
Great philosophy, keeping things simple. I have wood masts on my boat that I need to replace. Was thinking along the lines of what you did. How did you join the sections of pipe together...weld? Sched 40 alum pipe has a temper. Don't you loose the temper when you weld it? I was thinking rivets for mine. I see you are at Shelter Island on the Fraser, if you get over to Gabriola Island, Degnen Bay. Stop in ! Schooner Endurance.
Thanks for the invite Jose, but I am in Washington State. Hopefully the border will be open next Summer. Yes, the heat treating will be lost during welding. However, Panope's mast is made from a single continuous pipe, so no need for a weld joint.
@@flygoodwin Steve, can I ask what pipe you used for your mast? Regular pipe comes in 20 ft. lengths. I assume your mast is longer than that. My main mast is 58 ft. so would have to join 3 lengths of pipe. I'v been looking for a 58/60 ft mast for 3 years now.
that's awesome! people need to know the KISS system.. ...keep it simple stupid. It's easy to hire a welder, to make up what you want. It will make your life so simple and pleasurable.
The mast is made from 5" schedule 40 aluminum pipe. The boat is a Tom Colvin design called Saugeen Witch. 34' long. Weighs about 15,000 pounds, loaded.
The effects of the doghouse addition (10 years ago) were masked by numerous other changes made simultaneously. Most important was the change from schooner to sloop rig. I did not make exact calculations, but my gut feeling is that the removal of one mast negated the righting moment reduction that was caused by the doghouse addition. On the other hand, the removal of the bowsprit added to the "stern down" trim, so it is hard to say how much the doghouse effected fore and aft trim. Subsequent to the above changes, I removed another 1,200 pounds (lighter interior) and relocated ballast (forward). Boat is now floating higher and slightly bow down compared to the original configuration. Best of all, she sails better.
Masthead is 39 feet above waterline. Boom is 26 feet long with an outside diameter of 4" (3.5" schedule 40 pipe). Gin pole is about 5 feet long, rigidly bolted to the mast, and made (strongly) from whatever aluminum scraps I had laying around.
I designed this tabernacle by the seat of my pants. So, no plans exist, other than in my head. I looked up your Marshall 22 design, and noticed that this is a (mostly) FREESTANDING mast. While I believe a "scarf joint" style tabernacle might be usable, the high loads involved means that very careful engineering will be required. My situation was much less critical on account of the mast being (mostly) supported by shrouds and forestay.
@@flygoodwin Roger I appreciate the response and input. Currently I’m looking at adding another set of side stays and chain plates further aft, but you are right there is still a fair bit less rigging than usual boats. With safe harbor it’s becoming harder and harder to find marinas that will deal with sale boats at a reasonable price. That’s why I’m leaning towards a similar set up to what you have
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i like that detachable mast ring with cleats on it. Nice video. Nice boat.
A friend of mine has a 65 foot, three masted schooner pilothouse, with this same setup. Different hinge mechanism, with the mast between outboard supports, but same type of overall configuration. I love the simplicity of it.
Thats what i want. Did he do the work himself?
@@twonulator Yes. He built it to live on and did so, for over 20 years.
It's good to see someone embracing a fairly low tech approach. Love the tabernacle.
That tabernacle setup is pretty sweet
Thanks!
Your boat is the first I've seen that holds to the classic sail trim and sail attachment techniques, except for 1800s tall ships. I love it! Makes me realize how many other options there are out there to sail rigging.
Awesome to see a rig without winches, a back stay, etc.... I just sail a cat rigged dinghy, but it's a sliding gunter from a Herreshoff book. It's unstayed and cuts like a knife upwind.
You've done a great job with that! Seems most people don't like simply they have to follow the crowd!
Love to see her under sail rather than just dragging anchors back and forth. Thanks for sharing. Very clever method for lowering the mast!
Thank you for this video, I am about to start construction for a 27 foot sailboat and I am considering a tabernacle for the mast, this was very helpful for me as I think about options.
I am about to haul my own (much less interesting, production) boat in that same yard, and put it on it's trailer; but I have to pay for the crane. Panope is an impressive and very salty boat. Thank you for sharing it with us!
Soooo easy im looking into building a tabernacle for my main mast. Great rig!
Aye m8, thnx for sharing your KIS-design of rig. 👌🏽
Awesome job!
I have an idea to do something similar but having it swing forward rather than aft, using the boom as the gin pole.
This would not be a system for stowing the rig, just something to get it under low bridges.
I would think something like this would be fairly simple to do for a boat in the 26-30 ft range.
you take kiss to the maximum brilliant
Very interesting boat, thanks for the video.
I'm surprised that you don't see more tabernacles than you do. Especially for the 30' ish length boats.
Steve,
Your testing is awesome, it beats all the previous anchor tests cause your approach is so practical and realistic. I wonder if I could ask you for a favour......when you have time could you test the 21lb Spade. This is the ultimate weapon for the trailerable sailboats crowd and it would be interesting to compare its performance to its big brother that passed your tests so well. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Thanks, Roman
I absolutely will conduct a full test video for the 21lb. Spade. The truth is, I have already given it the full test protocol, twice! - once with Panope and again with the motor boat. Unfortunately, both times the video footage was unusable so I am waiting for a third opportunity. Stay tuned.
Hi, I was thinking of doing the same with a traditional aluminum keel stepped mast (thinner walled oval section) . My only concern has been that the bolted/jointed section would be less flexible than the rest of the mast, the rigid section straining the flex. Your mast being so much stronger obviously doesn't have these concerns.
nice setup...🏴☠️⛵👍
How do you only have six and a half thousand subs?
If I knew the answer, I would have more.....
Just a great video. I thought I would slice a pipe to capture the mast as it raises vs your set up. what do you think? thanks for the idea.
If your rig was originally designed to be keel stepped, then it may be very important that the tabernacle retain similar strength as a continuous mast. My "scarf joint" was an attempt at this. You might need an engineer to verify the strength of your proposal.
My rig is just for day sailing on an inland lake and is the mast is deck stepped. I am getting old and an little help from a tall tabernacle sure would make it easier. I would rig a short mast for starters for my Paceship 'mouette' 1976 w/ 19' length 6' beam w/ 23' mast 6' of retractable swing keel, a fast boat. But the 23' mast is a lot heavy for a couple of old guys. Maybe try using pvc to test for fit before putting out the dollars for steel.l.. Thumbs up for you, great work and great video!.
Your boat looks great thanks for the great info on your mast design. Just wondering where you are located? Do you have any plans to cruise?
Thanks Terry,
I am in Washington State. No plans to live aboard full time. Boat is used locally with up to 2 or 3 week trips around the Salish Sea.
Someday, I will take a long Summer break and make the trip up the Inside Passage to Alaska. This is the mission that I had in mind when I modified Panope into her current configuration.
@@flygoodwin I've often wondered why more sailboats don't use power-line guys that are all over the country and stand up for years in the elements as standing rigging. It must be the weight, because they are very strong and easy to install. Any comments on this?
@@TerrydeAlaskaOff the top of head, the thing comes to mind is that this wire may have fairly large strands and may not be able to make the small radius bends required for making strong 'eyes'.
@@flygoodwin they use a guy-grip deadend to connect to the wire. , or three bolt clamps. www.georgiaunderground.net/products/3-8-dead-end-preformed-plp-gde-1107.html?sku=PLP%20GDE-1107
Great philosophy, keeping things simple. I have wood masts on my boat that I need to replace. Was thinking along the lines of what you did. How did you join the sections of pipe together...weld? Sched 40 alum pipe has a temper. Don't you loose the temper when you weld it? I was thinking rivets for mine. I see you are at Shelter Island on the Fraser, if you get over to Gabriola Island, Degnen Bay. Stop in ! Schooner Endurance.
Thanks for the invite Jose, but I am in Washington State. Hopefully the border will be open next Summer.
Yes, the heat treating will be lost during welding. However, Panope's mast is made from a single continuous pipe, so no need for a weld joint.
@@flygoodwin Steve, can I ask what pipe you used for your mast? Regular pipe comes in 20 ft. lengths. I assume your mast is longer than that. My main mast is 58 ft. so would have to join 3 lengths of pipe. I'v been looking for a 58/60 ft mast for 3 years now.
The pipe I used was purchased many years ago by my father. We have no memory of the source of this pipe.
Great modern simplicity.
Shot of my boat at 4-4:15+
This looks like the Port Townsend Boat Haven area.
that's awesome! people need to know the KISS system.. ...keep it simple stupid. It's easy to hire a welder, to make up what you want. It will make your life so simple and pleasurable.
can you tell me more about your mast i like to build one and what size is your boat
The mast is made from 5" schedule 40 aluminum pipe. The boat is a Tom Colvin design called Saugeen Witch. 34' long. Weighs about 15,000 pounds, loaded.
Hi..a year later,. How is the size and weight of the doghouse effecting the balance of your boat??
The effects of the doghouse addition (10 years ago) were masked by numerous other changes made simultaneously.
Most important was the change from schooner to sloop rig. I did not make exact calculations, but my gut feeling is that the removal of one mast negated the righting moment reduction that was caused by the doghouse addition.
On the other hand, the removal of the bowsprit added to the "stern down" trim, so it is hard to say how much the doghouse effected fore and aft trim.
Subsequent to the above changes, I removed another 1,200 pounds (lighter interior) and relocated ballast (forward).
Boat is now floating higher and slightly bow down compared to the original configuration. Best of all, she sails better.
@@flygoodwin Thank you for your reply 🤗
how tall is the mast ,how long is the boom and how big around and please tell me about your gin pole thank you
Masthead is 39 feet above waterline. Boom is 26 feet long with an outside diameter of 4" (3.5" schedule 40 pipe). Gin pole is about 5 feet long, rigidly bolted to the mast, and made (strongly) from whatever aluminum scraps I had laying around.
I’m looking at doing this to a sloop rig Marshall 22 is there any chance you could send me any design prints you have?
I designed this tabernacle by the seat of my pants. So, no plans exist, other than in my head.
I looked up your Marshall 22 design, and noticed that this is a (mostly) FREESTANDING mast. While I believe a "scarf joint" style tabernacle might be usable, the high loads involved means that very careful engineering will be required.
My situation was much less critical on account of the mast being (mostly) supported by shrouds and forestay.
@@flygoodwin Roger I appreciate the response and input. Currently I’m looking at adding another set of side stays and chain plates further aft, but you are right there is still a fair bit less rigging than usual boats. With safe harbor it’s becoming harder and harder to find marinas that will deal with sale boats at a reasonable price. That’s why I’m leaning towards a similar set up to what you have
Thx