THANK YOU!! I was a bit worried when i read on steam partial controller support, so i checked on my ps4 and bought Shenmue 3 there at a HUGE Discount! Will wait to buy 1&2 before playing 3, only recently found this thanks to the Anime release!
I did not know of the game's performance issues. I do know that its frametimes aren't evenly paced, as I do sometimes play with MSI afterburner overlayed, but I can't recall seeing things be this bad or the frametime overlay go to shit. PC gaming moment Though I started the game, and I'm really loving the experience. I haven't gotten too far in yet though, I'm currently looking for Charlie in the game
Crazy how I played through the whole 1 and 2 without noticing this issue. Mostly played on Steam Deck capping the frame rate manually to 30 but I suspect it would've worked similar to the Rivia Tuner results. Also now when trying to test this on my PC all the alpha effects and textures were broken and not properly clipped. Like Ryo's hair would have a green rectangle surrounding it so seems like this isn't the only issue
@@gamingblowsofficial Which kinda shows that problem is maybe not port, but windows (hail linux seriously, windows been downhill going as game platform since w7)
Fck, I’m just starting the game on Steam (Big Picture mode with a PS4 controller) and I already noticed the game frame limit is up to 30fps. Worth mentioning I play csgo at high frames, and I noticed these constant dropping frames in Shenmue 1. I’ve wished to play this saga time ago but now I have that bad feeling this will be a painful experience to play. I’m thinking in getting a handheld console and emulate it. I’ve watched many videos playing Dreamcast games and so far they seem to play well. Thanks for the effort in making the video, and sorry for my English just as broken as the game.
I swear, the controls when i try to ring the bell in Shenmue 2 (In this version on PC), i can't focus and select the bell because it refuses to register the damn thing and i always end up with a impatient Ren ringing the bell.
Is this only regarding the port of Shenmue 1? Shenmue 2 used the Xbox version as a base so it may be different. I might test it myself later today. Edit: did some testing and found that not only does it happen in Shenmue 2, it's actually worse. I didn't notice it too much while playing but it does definitely happen as I slowed down two recordings. th-cam.com/video/WwfzgNRleIU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for saving me 10 bucks and my sanity. My life and budget has me tied to a gaming laptop atm which leaves me having to wrestle most games into running right, these ports would've driven me completely insane trying to fix them.
@@gamingblowsofficial Is the experience playing these games on an OG dreamcast better in any way than the console ports or are the console ports the best way to experience Shenmue?
From what I can tell, there’s no benefit (aside from brand names like Coke being removed from the remaster) to playing the game on Dreamcast. Sorry for the late reply, but just following up in case others have a similar question.
I have got to admit when shenmue 1,2 HD come out for ps4 it did have lots of bugs like sound wouldn't save after the credits so save menu would just disappear after the credits but I'm glad they fixed it and the cutscene where you find the mirror it would just show outside the dojo and you would just hear the voices but I'm glad they fixed it
Can someone try if dxvk fixes the issue since someone said it's not a problem on the steam deck and proton is essentially the same thing? Would be interested in buying since it's on a sale on Steam right now but with a big issue like this I'm not interested. Btw I rewatched the Digital Foundry review from 2018 and John barely mentions this issue and puts the blame on his 75hz monitor. With how incredibly picky they are about frame pacing I wonder if he was blind(ed) from nostalgia in that episode or something. Thanks in advance!
the fact that the PC gaming wiki article has like a billion fucking mods listed to fix it should be the prime indicator of the quality of this version. is there any way to fix this port I wonder... Or should I just emulate it on dreamcast?
The PlayStation and Xbox versions are good and work fine. There’s apparently a workaround on PC using Cheat Engine but that’s getting too deep in the weeds.
The problem with the console versions is you can't mod it for start off and there is some mods that are really good in my opinion and second off the cutscenes on the console version cannot be modded to become 16:9 either and that takes some of the immersion away as the black borders can be annoying especially if you are playing in 16:9 mode for the gameplay itself. I think maybe the Demul emulator on the PC can run these games almost perfect so that would be another way to play them on PC assuming you have a powerful enough PC. Oh and I think Special K used to fix this problem but it doesn't seem to anymore after the final patch they released for the game broke it which sucks.
@@gamingblowsofficial Well I find them to be quite noticeable especially Shenmue 2 as that game had black borders on the top and bottom as well. Also in 16:9 there is some things you can see that you are definitely not supposed to but after playing both games throughout with 16:9 cutscenes most cutscenes don't seem to have that problem. I have asked on the Shenmue Dojo forums to see if anyone can fix the frame pacing issues on the PC because it has definitely been done before and hopefully someone can fix it again as that would make the PC version the best version to play IMHO.
Only way to fix it (or so I’ve heard) is using an external program called Cheat Engine and disassembling a memory region and replacing it with useless code. That isn’t a reasonable ask of your players who want to play a properly functioning game. RivaTuner is about as far as any paying customer should have to go to get their games stable (and the fact that we often need to even do that is kind of sad). I’ll take a stable game experience start to finish over 16:9 cut scenes with occasional visual garbage. But to each their own. Very few minds are changed in a TH-cam comments section, especially if the video didn’t already.
@@gamingblowsofficial I totally understand and I think it's unacceptable as well. I mean they did patch quite a few bugs for this game when it came out but bafflingly they never patched the frame pacing issues even though loads of people on the Steam community forums talked about it and elsewhere as well.
That's because no PC is as powerful as my beloved Dreamcast! Joke aside, the performance of the PC port is indeed terrible, which is unforgiveable for a game that isn't exactly UE5-material. That said, I recall the original game not always being silky-smooth either.
Did they fix this? I just ran the intro on my machine and it didn't seem to have the problem of dropping frames, at least not that I could notice. Edit: I decided to record the scene from Lan Di's back to Ryo saying "Father" like in the video in lossless quality with OBS and couldn't see a difference, slowed down the playback and it was smooth, so maybe they fixed it?
Game has definitely some frame-pacing issues, it's just so sad that what we got was a broken unplayable mess at launch and a barely serviceable barebone port after about seven or eight patch. Just blame cheap-ass Sega not giving a damn.
Sad, even to this day its bad. Problems go beyond dropped frames sadly. Fantastic job! And not just a over-simplication Digital Foundry did. Crashes galore. Cutscenes, getting stuck on the wrong camera angle. 'I've a video when you first see chai.' Reduced voice quality too. Now the english voices have always been bad. The japanese dreamcast ones aren't perfect. But they sound a heck of a lot better than this pc port does. Granted, even on emulation? They still sound rough. Only a native dreamcast do they sound right.
The pc port doesn't seem to have issues on some pcs tho, maybe the port just has problems on some specific setups either way that's a problem. Honestly i don't think it's fair to go so hard on d3t if anything SEGA are the ones to blame, they gave d3t barely any resources and a small budget on top of that they tried to make d3t make a Remake first and then cancelled the idea since they noticed that actually would need a proper budget:th-cam.com/video/7O7x0Urgvz4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=DigitalFoundry so now with less money and a even more tight deadline they had to make this port happen somehow. d3t had to make a lot of technical tricks to make this port happen since Shenmue I and II are completely Dreamcast games , modern GPUs don't have the same features that the Dreamcast's GPU have most of which Shenmue I & II use. for example d3t did a hacky way to do a similar kind of transparenc effects purely in software, instead of using hardware stuff for it like the Dreamcast which had a separate chip for Order Independent Transparency. the way d3t did trasnparency has some issues but let's keep in mind the low resources and terrible deadline they had. They definitely tried their best but the thing is SEGA didn't gave them the proper budget and time, and i'd say they didn't seem to be the best guys for this job but no one else would've accepted this project under SEGA's unreasonable conditions. anyways with that out the way it's worth mentioning the ports still have a good number of other issues like acrpss all platforms like: Hitboxes issues in Shenmue I's Combat: th-cam.com/video/96Ky-0X0vBQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheKenjitoMaster Maybe d3t made some mistakes there thanks to them translating the source code notes with Google Translator which they said they used during development. Music inaccuracies: th-cam.com/video/uLh8064XlQg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Tastymond d3t decided to emulate the Dreamcast's DSP Yahama chip for Shenmue's sample based music. the DC's DSP Chip has always been a pain to emulate for many emulator creators and d3t only had a few months to try emulate this. by the way they improved the music with the newest patches but it doesn't sound as good as the original. They could've tried to just record all the tracks from original hardware and put them in the game although considering how much music Shenmue has recording and looping all those tracks would've been a massive task for them, or maybe they wanted the port to be more authentic but either way SEGA had them under pressure. Sound compression: pc port vanilla: th-cam.com/video/eO7JZp4haVo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ShenmueAudioRestorationProject pc port audio restoration mod: th-cam.com/video/TwR9RWsyXHw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ShenmueAudioRestorationProject basically all the sound effects and voice clips are more compressed than the original, this is most notable with voices, there is a fan made fix for this but no fixes for sound effects have been made. This other issue is more of something being cut out of the game, the new menu system (which personally i find worse than the original in most ways) changed they way how move lists are displayed basically getting 100% rid of the old move lists screens, Shenmue II's move list screen had a music track but since the old move list screens were removed so was this song: th-cam.com/video/HtsuY69-afY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ShenmueFans anyways those are the most notable issues the port has, at the end of the day Shenmue I and II are complex games which made heavy use of the special hardware features the Dreamcast had to offer and getting them to run on modern hardware which lacks those special features is no easy feat, but SEGA doesn't care about that and they just wanted to save some money and a put poor team of devs under a lot of pressure. This reminds me a lot of when SEGA outsourced the Dreamcast port of Virtua Fighter 3tb to Genki and decided to make them port the game in about 6 months with barely any documentation of the Dremcast hardware. AM2 didn't make the port themselves because they were too busy working on Shenmue. History repeats itself doesn't it? i feels a little ironic how the modern ports of Shenmue had a similar fate to the Dreamcast port of Virtua Fighter 3tb.
Great comment, thank you for the additional info. Will be watching these videos shortly. Might be worth doing a followup with all of these many issues addressed under one big video umbrella. But there are still other fish to fry, so we’ll see. That said, there aren’t (as far as we can tell) ANY PCs that don’t have this issue. So until we see otherwise, this is a universal problem across all machines.
2:13 - PC Gamer is usually trustworthy (all the years I've been following them. Not sure why they'd allow an article like that if the port was so horrible.
Hi, the frametime maybe can be solved with msi afternurner to set it at 33.3 ms, or by disabling game v-sync and activating it from the video card panel, saludos!
I figured out how to use the cheat program it was stuff missing from that forum page this is the exact way click add address put the code it will bring up a box full of a list of codes that can be added right click one and then paste another code then it will show on the bottom right click that and click act like a code and then click the exe open file at the top left to pick from a list of programs and click shenmue 2 and then to the right of the screen will show a value box type in 1 the problem is that whole process have to be done everytime the program is clicked off it's not a big difference to me but its probably cause I run gsync and my ram is separated in 2 slots so my stutter is not bad at all I thought could help me get rid of all the stutter but no the only way is to use emu or get a ps4 or xbox ver
Thanks for the info. I agree, that level of user intervention to get the game working is absolutely not worth the effort. The Xbox version is how I’ve decided to play, and I’m glad I did. 4K wasn’t worth the headache; 1080p suits the game just fine.
@@gamingblowsofficial 4k is overrated bad on pc dont look much diffrent then 1440p I really dont like gettin games on consoles thats so short that's why I didnt get this on ps4 and I sold my ps4 in nov for me this game dont stutter much I noticed in this vid u had more stutters then me do u got a regular screen or g or amd sync and how much ram u have I got 16gb in mutiple slots
Game was tested on a wide range of hardware. The most powerful machine it was tested on was a Ryzen 9, 2080, 32GB setup with G-Sync. The G-Sync is irrelevant, however, since the PC port is rendered within a 30fps container of sorts. There would be no stutters for long stretches during one play session, and tons of stuttering during the next. It’s a very unstable game.
@@gamingblowsofficial gsync is known to help with stutters and making drops not noticable running this game I have it the most stable it seems to wanna be my stutters is there seems to be more when it's a movie and sometimes when I move cam around fast really dont know why they was so lazy to fix it some people get more stutters I noticed I can deal with It not the worst I ever seen its nothin compared to how metro exodus ran for me before I changed settings in the config that ran real bad it would stutter so much and even freeze for 3 secs real frustrating
i notice it stutters to which makes no sense its not graphic heavy why wasnt all the problems fixed before it came out lots of games on consoles can run the same 30 frames as pc but its smooth on the console
@@agustinpara The PS4 and Xbox One versions are excellent. Really. And they’re back compat on PS5 and Xbox Series. If you have any of those, go for that.
@@gamingblowsofficial Are they excellent though? did they fix the arcade games sounding like shit and the general lower/higher audio and crappy reverb in the console versions? or are you just looking at fps here?
Don't know if it was mentioned earlier but I was able to fix it by setting 1/2 vsync through nvidia inspector, with 60 hz resolution enabled. Lack of mipmapping and proper msaa antialiasing on the other hand is another can of worms entirely
I never had any of these issues, no stutter or anything and I am running an amd 3700x, 32 gigs of ddr4 ram, m.2 ssd, an rtx 2070. Microstutters drive me crazy so I would have noticed it, I have vsync off using a gsync monitor so maybe I got lucky? It looks smooth to me.
@@RF-INF Hard to say. I feel like the best way to play is to scoop up a cheap used 8th gen console someday and go through it that way. If you absolutely need to play on PC, there actually is a fix for this game’s issues that’s been discovered by using a program called Cheat Engine. It’s convoluted, but it apparently does work. There’s also a Windows Store version that has a different developer: Ultimatum Games. I have no idea what this version is like. I’ve considered ponying up to check it out, though.
The XB1 and PS4 ports are solid as well. The widescreen support is excellent, and there’s no slowdown like in the Dreamcast version. Dreamcast would still be a better option than this PC port, though.
cmoneytheman, DC emulation is a little tricky. It’s not as clean or as simple as something like GameCube. Tough call. You’ll need to experiment with that and see how it works for you.
You go way too hard expressing how much you dislike it and then proceed to insult us so much. This video could be much shorter and more to the point to make the point you eventually make.
Played through the game just fine. I don't know if the framerate issue was happening or not, I didn't notice it at all. I won't say that it wasn't happening because I wasn't looking for it. I also played it on PS4. Slight framerate issues (yes, slight) do not render a game 'broken'. If we were dipping below 24 frames per second I would then say it's broken, but anything above that is pretty normal even if relatively inconsistent.
Saved me the money. I was 2 seconds from buying this on Steam. I just installed an RTX3060 in my homemade rigg and wanted to see what this looked like, Considering it was stunning upon its original release but i never had a Dreamcast as a kid. Been waiting for years to play this. Guess ill dust off my PS4 and see what happens.
Its really you thats the problem homes, my game runs at a clean 30 and doesnt drop frames like your game does, also keep in mind this is a dreamcast game ported to pc 20 years later so even if there was any issues with the game, i feel like this would be a key factor along with your pc specs.
Someone on the Steam forums provided a solution, but it's not really worth the effort. You need to use a program called Cheat Engine: "Add the address 'Shenmue.exe+24C183' and click on 'disassemble this memory region,' right click on it, 'replace with code that does nothing,' and then add 'Shenmue.exe+EB04C8' and change the value to 1 (byte). That changes the game's cap to 60fps." After that you have to limit the framerate to 30fps yourself using your GPU control panel. Sort of an absurd ask, which is why the consoles are still the best option.
@@gamingblowsofficial i heard of that program years ago that is lazy they could have fixed all the problems before bringing this pc ver out its just lazy even when they knew of the problem they still didnt care to fix it
Check out this thread: steamcommunity.com/app/758330/discussions/0/2264689848033311100/ The first post about the Cheat Engine fix was posted on Aug 6, 2020, 6:30am.
I disagree with your review, although I am shenmue fan since dreamcast. I bought the game from steam, my laptop has low end spec (i3 10th generation + intel UHD G1 + 12Gb Ram) and the game run so smoothly at 30fps at all time, Never drop. The game is great and I don't find any different between it and ps4 version.
@@jonnysac77 Now that I've beaten Shenmue 1&2 on PC, I really didn't notice anything on both? Maybe I'm not that perceptive in general, and maybe that ignorance makes me bliss, but it seems A-Ok on my pc and my pc is a hunk a junk compared to most modern PCs.
I got Shenmue on PC following watching this video, a load of nonsense. I think you should be confirming your specs (including the hz your monitor runs at) in the video before you start slamming the port for frames. Honestly, its an older game, typically older games have glitches if you run the frames run above what was intended at the time, and this was never intended as a remaster rather as a re-release. Your expectations are way too high I think I used to be Chinese...
9:10 - Was tested on a wide range of hardware and on multiple displays. If you think your copy is somehow working fine, record a sufficiently long gameplay video and upload it.
@@gamingblowsofficial I think its all fairly subjective. Meaning subjectively speaking its pretty much identical to its console counterparts. Either way id see it as at least on par with console re-releases (PS4/ xbox). I think losing a few frames every now and then barely makes the game "unplayable" or a "shameful" port. I just don't really understand the problem, and im somebody who aims for frames over graphical fidelity.
What a stupid comment. Did you even watch the video? The guy is talking about 30 fps in the remaster. That's considered low today and you're talking about high expectations like he was expecting support for unlimited fps or god forbid 60. Not only that but he mentioned trying different specs and checking others streams too. He even locked the fps to below 30 and it still didn't work. And did you forget the fact the devs who ported it had to be fought to make it playable at all? To be charitable with respect to your intelligence, i have to assume you forgot or didn't watch at all. So your comment is completely detached for the reality of the video. If you think your pc runs it well you're free to upload footage of it. P. S. Your rationalization about it being old thus not supporting 30 fps is contradicted by consoles running it at 30 fps. Either you watched a fraction of the video and then wrote a couple paragraphs based on your false conclusions you jumped to or you're on unbelievable amounts of copium.
@@badwolf8112 Alright Chris Eccelston calm down; i think the greater point i was arriving at was who plays a 1990’s game like Shenmue for high frames? Its an old goofy game with wonky voice acting. All it is is a re-release of a classic; i would hardly call is a remaster at any stretch of the imagination. I dont really need to upload footage (you sound like the other guy); all I know is that the game played fine and that the video was overly negative over some really old game
@@gamingblowsofficial thank you for blessing me with the knowledge only you know 🙏 youre so smart dude. Not smart enough to have a pc that can run Shenmue though 😭
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"Shenmue is not just an important game, it's an important piece of digital media history."
I have been saying that since 1999.
Thank you.
My absolute favorite game of all time.
I thought it was wild to play with REAL Weather from the time.
THANK YOU!! I was a bit worried when i read on steam partial controller support, so i checked on my ps4 and bought Shenmue 3 there at a HUGE Discount! Will wait to buy 1&2 before playing 3, only recently found this thanks to the Anime release!
Thank you! You did the great job!
This is such a great remaster on the consoles, it's such a shame they'd botch it on the most permanent platform
1:50 - And it still took an original Shenmue dev shaming them to get D3T to bring the game up to par.
@@DavidDrawsComicsNo, it's because PC version will likely still be playable on PCs in the future, after the consoles being unsupported.
@@DavidDrawsComics Yeah, but no everyone keeps their console forever. But PC you will likelu replace over time.
Kinda ironic since Shenmue is better on consoles.
I did not know of the game's performance issues. I do know that its frametimes aren't evenly paced, as I do sometimes play with MSI afterburner overlayed, but I can't recall seeing things be this bad or the frametime overlay go to shit. PC gaming moment
Though I started the game, and I'm really loving the experience. I haven't gotten too far in yet though, I'm currently looking for Charlie in the game
Crazy how I played through the whole 1 and 2 without noticing this issue. Mostly played on Steam Deck capping the frame rate manually to 30 but I suspect it would've worked similar to the Rivia Tuner results.
Also now when trying to test this on my PC all the alpha effects and textures were broken and not properly clipped. Like Ryo's hair would have a green rectangle surrounding it so seems like this isn't the only issue
From what I have seen so far, the Deck (which uses Proton) may not have this issue!
@@gamingblowsofficial Same here. Both games have no issues on the steam deck or even on my laptop running linux.
@@gamingblowsofficial Which kinda shows that problem is maybe not port, but windows (hail linux seriously, windows been downhill going as game platform since w7)
Great video, appreciate the information. Will probably go the route of emulation for these games.
Problem wasn't as bad here but still kinda noticeable
Quick update: frame drops are beyond disgusting when I'm running, game seems to run slow
yea for me to i dont get much drops tho but it stutters
Fck, I’m just starting the game on Steam (Big Picture mode with a PS4 controller) and I already noticed the game frame limit is up to 30fps. Worth mentioning I play csgo at high frames, and I noticed these constant dropping frames in Shenmue 1.
I’ve wished to play this saga time ago but now I have that bad feeling this will be a painful experience to play.
I’m thinking in getting a handheld console and emulate it. I’ve watched many videos playing Dreamcast games and so far they seem to play well.
Thanks for the effort in making the video, and sorry for my English just as broken as the game.
very nice video. thanks for sharing the problem
I swear, the controls when i try to ring the bell in Shenmue 2 (In this version on PC), i can't focus and select the bell because it refuses to register the damn thing and i always end up with a impatient Ren ringing the bell.
Thank you! I was about to buy it on Steam, but I will save some money to buy a PS4 instead.
I played it on the PS4 and it's full of bugs there too
@@MrZiv742 Oh crap
thats a lie cause its not full of problems on pc this stutter is like the only one
@@MrZiv742 What are you talking about?
Why did you do this!?
What's seen cannot be unseen!
No. NO. I don't want to know!!!
I hate you. I hate you for pointing this Out To ME.
PC didn't see such graphics until 5 years later.
Unreal was out for Windows a year and a half before Shenmue released, so I don’t think that’s entirely true.
Is this only regarding the port of Shenmue 1? Shenmue 2 used the Xbox version as a base so it may be different. I might test it myself later today.
Edit: did some testing and found that not only does it happen in Shenmue 2, it's actually worse. I didn't notice it too much while playing but it does definitely happen as I slowed down two recordings. th-cam.com/video/WwfzgNRleIU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for saving me 10 bucks and my sanity. My life and budget has me tied to a gaming laptop atm which leaves me having to wrestle most games into running right, these ports would've driven me completely insane trying to fix them.
Nothing worse than running in circles not knowing if it's your setup or the game itself causing issues. Glad we could help.
@@gamingblowsofficial Is the experience playing these games on an OG dreamcast better in any way than the console ports or are the console ports the best way to experience Shenmue?
From what I can tell, there’s no benefit (aside from brand names like Coke being removed from the remaster) to playing the game on Dreamcast. Sorry for the late reply, but just following up in case others have a similar question.
I have got to admit when shenmue 1,2 HD come out for ps4 it did have lots of bugs like sound wouldn't save after the credits so save menu would just disappear after the credits but I'm glad they fixed it and the cutscene where you find the mirror it would just show outside the dojo and you would just hear the voices but I'm glad they fixed it
runs fine on redream emulator which even ran on my 9-year-old not-at-all-gaming laptop. it's the way to go! you can even patch it for widescreen
Can someone try if dxvk fixes the issue since someone said it's not a problem on the steam deck and proton is essentially the same thing? Would be interested in buying since it's on a sale on Steam right now but with a big issue like this I'm not interested. Btw I rewatched the Digital Foundry review from 2018 and John barely mentions this issue and puts the blame on his 75hz monitor. With how incredibly picky they are about frame pacing I wonder if he was blind(ed) from nostalgia in that episode or something. Thanks in advance!
the fact that the PC gaming wiki article has like a billion fucking mods listed to fix it should be the prime indicator of the quality of this version.
is there any way to fix this port I wonder... Or should I just emulate it on dreamcast?
The PlayStation and Xbox versions are good and work fine. There’s apparently a workaround on PC using Cheat Engine but that’s getting too deep in the weeds.
The one thing you can be happy about....is that you can mod the shit out of this game, since its on PC
Dang, and during the cutscenes, too? That's a shame. Especially since you bought merchandise.
The problem with the console versions is you can't mod it for start off and there is some mods that are really good in my opinion and second off the cutscenes on the console version cannot be modded to become 16:9 either and that takes some of the immersion away as the black borders can be annoying especially if you are playing in 16:9 mode for the gameplay itself. I think maybe the Demul emulator on the PC can run these games almost perfect so that would be another way to play them on PC assuming you have a powerful enough PC. Oh and I think Special K used to fix this problem but it doesn't seem to anymore after the final patch they released for the game broke it which sucks.
4:3 cutscenes are barely noticeable, but the framerate absolutely is. Isn’t there also occasional visual garbage introduced in 16:9 cutscenes?
@@gamingblowsofficial Well I find them to be quite noticeable especially Shenmue 2 as that game had black borders on the top and bottom as well. Also in 16:9 there is some things you can see that you are definitely not supposed to but after playing both games throughout with 16:9 cutscenes most cutscenes don't seem to have that problem. I have asked on the Shenmue Dojo forums to see if anyone can fix the frame pacing issues on the PC because it has definitely been done before and hopefully someone can fix it again as that would make the PC version the best version to play IMHO.
Only way to fix it (or so I’ve heard) is using an external program called Cheat Engine and disassembling a memory region and replacing it with useless code. That isn’t a reasonable ask of your players who want to play a properly functioning game.
RivaTuner is about as far as any paying customer should have to go to get their games stable (and the fact that we often need to even do that is kind of sad).
I’ll take a stable game experience start to finish over 16:9 cut scenes with occasional visual garbage. But to each their own. Very few minds are changed in a TH-cam comments section, especially if the video didn’t already.
@@gamingblowsofficial I totally understand and I think it's unacceptable as well. I mean they did patch quite a few bugs for this game when it came out but bafflingly they never patched the frame pacing issues even though loads of people on the Steam community forums talked about it and elsewhere as well.
@@TheOrangeMatty it still stutters not bad tho it helps to have gsync and ram in mutiple slots
Thank you very much, i will play the Xbox version then.
If only Shenmue 2 released for the Dreamcast in Canada. I never got to pick it up. And a European copy is very expensive!
These new releases are fine on the Xbox. You can get a One S for under $100 at this point. Good place to play.
@@gamingblowsofficial That is an option, but I still like collecting stuff. When I beat the first game, I will see what I will do.
That's because no PC is as powerful as my beloved Dreamcast!
Joke aside, the performance of the PC port is indeed terrible, which is unforgiveable for a game that isn't exactly UE5-material. That said, I recall the original game not always being silky-smooth either.
Did they fix this? I just ran the intro on my machine and it didn't seem to have the problem of dropping frames, at least not that I could notice.
Edit: I decided to record the scene from Lan Di's back to Ryo saying "Father" like in the video in lossless quality with OBS and couldn't see a difference, slowed down the playback and it was smooth, so maybe they fixed it?
Do not appear to be any new official patches or updates since this video was uploaded.
Game has definitely some frame-pacing issues, it's just so sad that what we got was a broken unplayable mess at launch and a barely serviceable barebone port after about seven or eight patch. Just blame cheap-ass Sega not giving a damn.
yea just like bloodborne they knew of the stutter and seen folks complained and still didnt fix just lazy
Game doesnt drop frames and seems to run fine on my setup.
Yes it does. No it doesn't.
@@gamingblowsofficial you've got a shit pc then buddy
@@ChodeMaster The game will have skips but performance tools do not pick them up as actual framerate drops.
Video contains specs of machines used for testing.
@@ChodeMaster u trolling this game stutters on all pcs and the problem is not frames drops its only stutters
Wtf? I almost buy it, well no buy...But yeah I still gonna give Sega some money I pick Bayonetta&Vanguish Bundle :P
Sad, even to this day its bad. Problems go beyond dropped frames sadly. Fantastic job! And not just a over-simplication Digital Foundry did.
Crashes galore. Cutscenes, getting stuck on the wrong camera angle. 'I've a video when you first see chai.'
Reduced voice quality too. Now the english voices have always been bad. The japanese dreamcast ones aren't perfect. But they sound a heck of a lot better than this pc port does. Granted, even on emulation? They still sound rough. Only a native dreamcast do they sound right.
Well for 4 5 bugs its ok is it?
I love when studios that suck post pictures of how happy they are with their life choices. Getting paid to suck is wild.
Quality means something different on PC. Lots of stuff is released half-@$$ed and only fixed later via patches.
The pc port doesn't seem to have issues on some pcs tho, maybe the port just has problems on some specific setups either way that's a problem.
Honestly i don't think it's fair to go so hard on d3t if anything SEGA are the ones to blame, they gave d3t barely any resources and a small budget on top of that they tried to make d3t make a Remake first and then cancelled the idea since they noticed that actually would need a proper budget:th-cam.com/video/7O7x0Urgvz4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=DigitalFoundry
so now with less money and a even more tight deadline they had to make this port happen somehow.
d3t had to make a lot of technical tricks to make this port happen since Shenmue I and II are completely Dreamcast games
, modern GPUs don't have the same features that the Dreamcast's GPU have most of which Shenmue I & II use.
for example d3t did a hacky way to do a similar kind of transparenc effects purely in software, instead of using hardware stuff for it like the Dreamcast which had a separate chip for Order Independent Transparency.
the way d3t did trasnparency has some issues but let's keep in mind the low resources and terrible deadline they had.
They definitely tried their best but the thing is SEGA didn't gave them the proper budget and time, and i'd say they didn't seem to be the best guys for this job but no one else would've accepted this project under SEGA's unreasonable conditions.
anyways with that out the way it's worth mentioning the ports still have a good number of other issues like acrpss all platforms like:
Hitboxes issues in Shenmue I's Combat: th-cam.com/video/96Ky-0X0vBQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheKenjitoMaster
Maybe d3t made some mistakes there thanks to them translating the source code notes with Google Translator which they said they used during development.
Music inaccuracies: th-cam.com/video/uLh8064XlQg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Tastymond
d3t decided to emulate the Dreamcast's DSP Yahama chip for Shenmue's sample based music. the DC's DSP Chip has always been a pain to emulate for many emulator creators and d3t only had a few months to try emulate this.
by the way they improved the music with the newest patches but it doesn't sound as good as the original.
They could've tried to just record all the tracks from original hardware and put them in the game although considering how much music Shenmue has recording and looping all those tracks would've been a massive task for them, or maybe they wanted the port to be more authentic but either way SEGA had them under pressure.
Sound compression:
pc port vanilla: th-cam.com/video/eO7JZp4haVo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ShenmueAudioRestorationProject
pc port audio restoration mod: th-cam.com/video/TwR9RWsyXHw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ShenmueAudioRestorationProject
basically all the sound effects and voice clips are more compressed than the original, this is most notable with voices, there is a fan made fix for this but no fixes for sound effects have been made.
This other issue is more of something being cut out of the game, the new menu system (which personally i find worse than the original in most ways) changed they way how move lists are displayed basically getting 100% rid of the old move lists screens, Shenmue II's move list screen had a music track but since the old move list screens were removed so was this song: th-cam.com/video/HtsuY69-afY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ShenmueFans
anyways those are the most notable issues the port has, at the end of the day Shenmue I and II are complex games which made heavy use of the special hardware features the Dreamcast had to offer and getting them to run on modern hardware which lacks those special features is no easy feat, but SEGA doesn't care about that and they just wanted to save some money and a put poor team of devs under a lot of pressure.
This reminds me a lot of when SEGA outsourced the Dreamcast port of Virtua Fighter 3tb to Genki and decided to make them port the game in about 6 months with barely any documentation of the Dremcast hardware.
AM2 didn't make the port themselves because they were too busy working on Shenmue.
History repeats itself doesn't it? i feels a little ironic how the modern ports of Shenmue had a similar fate to the Dreamcast port of Virtua Fighter 3tb.
Great comment, thank you for the additional info. Will be watching these videos shortly.
Might be worth doing a followup with all of these many issues addressed under one big video umbrella. But there are still other fish to fry, so we’ll see.
That said, there aren’t (as far as we can tell) ANY PCs that don’t have this issue. So until we see otherwise, this is a universal problem across all machines.
2:13 - PC Gamer is usually trustworthy (all the years I've been following them. Not sure why they'd allow an article like that if the port was so horrible.
Looks like Andy Kelly made a mistake.
Hi, the frametime maybe can be solved with msi afternurner to set it at 33.3 ms,
or by disabling game v-sync and activating it from the video card panel, saludos!
It can’t. The video discusses that.
Oh man, this does look terrible, even if it's something minor like this.
I figured out how to use the cheat program it was stuff missing from that forum page
this is the exact way click add address put the code it will bring up a box full of a list of codes that can be added right click one and then paste another code then it will show on the bottom
right click that and click act like a code and then click the exe open file at the top left to pick from a list of programs and click shenmue 2 and then to the right of the screen will show a value box type in 1
the problem is that whole process have to be done everytime the program is clicked off
it's not a big difference to me but its probably cause I run gsync and my ram is separated in 2 slots so my stutter is not bad at all
I thought could help me get rid of all the stutter but no the only way is to use emu or get a ps4 or xbox ver
Thanks for the info. I agree, that level of user intervention to get the game working is absolutely not worth the effort. The Xbox version is how I’ve decided to play, and I’m glad I did. 4K wasn’t worth the headache; 1080p suits the game just fine.
@@gamingblowsofficial 4k is overrated bad on pc dont look much diffrent then 1440p
I really dont like gettin games on consoles thats so short that's why I didnt get this on ps4 and I sold my ps4 in nov
for me this game dont stutter much I noticed in this vid u had more stutters then me do u got a regular screen or g or amd sync and how much ram u have I got 16gb in mutiple slots
Game was tested on a wide range of hardware. The most powerful machine it was tested on was a Ryzen 9, 2080, 32GB setup with G-Sync. The G-Sync is irrelevant, however, since the PC port is rendered within a 30fps container of sorts. There would be no stutters for long stretches during one play session, and tons of stuttering during the next. It’s a very unstable game.
@@gamingblowsofficial gsync is known to help with stutters and making drops not noticable
running this game I have it the most stable it seems to wanna be my stutters is there seems to be more when it's a movie and sometimes when I move cam around fast really dont know why they was so lazy to fix it
some people get more stutters I noticed I can deal with It not the worst I ever seen its nothin compared to how metro exodus ran for me before I changed settings in the config that ran real bad
it would stutter so much and even freeze for 3 secs real frustrating
i notice it stutters to which makes no sense its not graphic heavy why wasnt all the problems fixed before it came out lots of games on consoles can run the same 30 frames as pc but its smooth on the console
This video came out 3 years ago. Did they ever fix this?
Nope.
Damn, was just searching for info since it's on Sale in Steam 😢
@@agustinpara The PS4 and Xbox One versions are excellent. Really. And they’re back compat on PS5 and Xbox Series. If you have any of those, go for that.
@@gamingblowsofficial will give it a go on Xbox Series S, then! Thanks for replying!
@@gamingblowsofficial Are they excellent though? did they fix the arcade games sounding like shit and the general lower/higher audio and crappy reverb in the console versions? or are you just looking at fps here?
Don't know if it was mentioned earlier but I was able to fix it by setting 1/2 vsync through nvidia inspector, with 60 hz resolution enabled. Lack of mipmapping and proper msaa antialiasing on the other hand is another can of worms entirely
That does not appear to work. You’ll need to post a video of it working properly.
@@gamingblowsofficial maybe your pc is weak?
@@yamiimax We used top tier hardware (and low end hardware) in testing.
@@gamingblowsofficial old stuff always dont work on PC properly maybe on XP it would work better🤔
@@yamiimax The PC version was released in 2018.
I never had any of these issues, no stutter or anything and I am running an amd 3700x, 32 gigs of ddr4 ram, m.2 ssd, an rtx 2070. Microstutters drive me crazy so I would have noticed it, I have vsync off using a gsync monitor so maybe I got lucky? It looks smooth to me.
You’d be the first person to not have these issues. Post video.
@@gamingblowsofficial I can take video and show what I am seeing.
@@PILMAN Nice. Grab a 10 minute-ish video and hit me. Will be curious to look at it!
Does Shenmue 2 also have this issue?
yeah
I would rather have the stuttering but no bloom. Why is bloom even a thing? It makes absolutely everything in every game look worse.
it has been more than 1 year, do you know if this was fixed?
It has not.
@@gamingblowsofficial so on PC the way to play is still using the rom with japanese voice up-scaling the graphics through emulator?
@@RF-INF Hard to say. I feel like the best way to play is to scoop up a cheap used 8th gen console someday and go through it that way. If you absolutely need to play on PC, there actually is a fix for this game’s issues that’s been discovered by using a program called Cheat Engine. It’s convoluted, but it apparently does work. There’s also a Windows Store version that has a different developer: Ultimatum Games. I have no idea what this version is like. I’ve considered ponying up to check it out, though.
@@gamingblowsofficial unfortunately even used consoles are worth a premium here in Latin America, pony up so us peasants don't have to ahahahah
@@RF-INF It could be a good followup video. I could also discuss the Cheat Engine fix. I’ll look into it this weekend.
Thanks i was gonna buy it for PC but i'll just play them on the Dreamcast.
The XB1 and PS4 ports are solid as well. The widescreen support is excellent, and there’s no slowdown like in the Dreamcast version. Dreamcast would still be a better option than this PC port, though.
why would u play on cast just play on the emu
cmoneytheman, the best move is Xbox or PS4. You get a very consistent 30fps, no slowdown, 1080p, and widescreen. It’s a great port.
@@gamingblowsofficial would u say the emu ver is worth it to and i just can upscale
cmoneytheman, DC emulation is a little tricky. It’s not as clean or as simple as something like GameCube. Tough call. You’ll need to experiment with that and see how it works for you.
You go way too hard expressing how much you dislike it and then proceed to insult us so much. This video could be much shorter and more to the point to make the point you eventually make.
Played through the game just fine. I don't know if the framerate issue was happening or not, I didn't notice it at all. I won't say that it wasn't happening because I wasn't looking for it. I also played it on PS4. Slight framerate issues (yes, slight) do not render a game 'broken'. If we were dipping below 24 frames per second I would then say it's broken, but anything above that is pretty normal even if relatively inconsistent.
Saved me the money. I was 2 seconds from buying this on Steam. I just installed an RTX3060 in my homemade rigg and wanted to see what this looked like, Considering it was stunning upon its original release but i never had a Dreamcast as a kid. Been waiting for years to play this. Guess ill dust off my PS4 and see what happens.
This is why people are still emulating Dreamcast
PS4 end XB1 ports are way better than DC emu.
@@gamingblowsofficial
Yeah, but.. does it have a Coca-Cola vending machine?
That's a big deal breaker to me.
Was all this patched in the future? 1&2 played perfectly for me on PC.
It wasn’t. No they didn’t.
u lying peter
If you're able to prove it, sure.
@@AerithsHusband yea he lying it still stutters
Not really how the burden of proof works...
Its really you thats the problem homes, my game runs at a clean 30 and doesnt drop frames like your game does, also keep in mind this is a dreamcast game ported to pc 20 years later so even if there was any issues with the game, i feel like this would be a key factor along with your pc specs.
do u know a fix
Someone on the Steam forums provided a solution, but it's not really worth the effort. You need to use a program called Cheat Engine: "Add the address 'Shenmue.exe+24C183' and click on 'disassemble this memory region,' right click on it, 'replace with code that does nothing,' and then add 'Shenmue.exe+EB04C8' and change the value to 1 (byte). That changes the game's cap to 60fps."
After that you have to limit the framerate to 30fps yourself using your GPU control panel. Sort of an absurd ask, which is why the consoles are still the best option.
@@gamingblowsofficial i heard of that program years ago that is lazy they could have fixed all the problems before bringing this pc ver out its just lazy even when they knew of the problem they still didnt care to fix it
D3T, bro. D3T.
@@gamingblowsofficial I tried its some steps missing
Check out this thread: steamcommunity.com/app/758330/discussions/0/2264689848033311100/
The first post about the Cheat Engine fix was posted on Aug 6, 2020, 6:30am.
I disagree with your review, although I am shenmue fan since dreamcast. I bought the game from steam, my laptop has low end spec (i3 10th generation + intel UHD G1 + 12Gb Ram) and the game run so smoothly at 30fps at all time, Never drop. The game is great and I don't find any different between it and ps4 version.
Doubt.
Looks fine to me
Fucking D3T.
I dunno this doesn't seem like a huge issue that makes the game unplayable?
Your call.
@@gamingblowsofficial Fair.
It's not unplayable but it really sucks that the port is like this, that Sega would drop the ball this hard on one of there most iconic legacy titles
@@jonnysac77 Now that I've beaten Shenmue 1&2 on PC, I really didn't notice anything on both? Maybe I'm not that perceptive in general, and maybe that ignorance makes me bliss, but it seems A-Ok on my pc and my pc is a hunk a junk compared to most modern PCs.
a game thats unplayable is lagging this dont lag it stutters a low amount
Such a little thing to cry about, works fine for me on my pc
Sure it does.
Skipped frames are not a little thing to be upset about. 30 fps is already pretty low, going lower than that is absurd.
get rivatuner statistics server and set the framerate cap to 30. there problem solved
7:00
so rivatuner doesnt do shit
It's great on ps4 pro
Pc port looks like the dreamcast version of shenmue the graphics ain't 1080p that's why I'm so glad I'm not a pc gamer
The PC version supports 4K, as well as supersampling. You may need to adjust your TH-cam quality settings.
I pirated the PC version of I and II and 3. Deleted 3 after an hour of play because it is boring trash but happily played through I and II. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I got Shenmue on PC following watching this video, a load of nonsense.
I think you should be confirming your specs (including the hz your monitor runs at) in the video before you start slamming the port for frames.
Honestly, its an older game, typically older games have glitches if you run the frames run above what was intended at the time, and this was never intended as a remaster rather as a re-release.
Your expectations are way too high I think
I used to be Chinese...
9:10 - Was tested on a wide range of hardware and on multiple displays.
If you think your copy is somehow working fine, record a sufficiently long gameplay video and upload it.
@@gamingblowsofficial I think its all fairly subjective. Meaning subjectively speaking its pretty much identical to its console counterparts.
Either way id see it as at least on par with console re-releases (PS4/ xbox).
I think losing a few frames every now and then barely makes the game "unplayable" or a "shameful" port.
I just don't really understand the problem, and im somebody who aims for frames over graphical fidelity.
@@ewp97 If you value frames over general fidelity and don’t see the issue there’s not much more to say here besides what’s in the video already.
What a stupid comment. Did you even watch the video? The guy is talking about 30 fps in the remaster. That's considered low today and you're talking about high expectations like he was expecting support for unlimited fps or god forbid 60. Not only that but he mentioned trying different specs and checking others streams too. He even locked the fps to below 30 and it still didn't work. And did you forget the fact the devs who ported it had to be fought to make it playable at all? To be charitable with respect to your intelligence, i have to assume you forgot or didn't watch at all. So your comment is completely detached for the reality of the video. If you think your pc runs it well you're free to upload footage of it. P. S. Your rationalization about it being old thus not supporting 30 fps is contradicted by consoles running it at 30 fps. Either you watched a fraction of the video and then wrote a couple paragraphs based on your false conclusions you jumped to or you're on unbelievable amounts of copium.
@@badwolf8112 Alright Chris Eccelston calm down; i think the greater point i was arriving at was who plays a 1990’s game like Shenmue for high frames? Its an old goofy game with wonky voice acting. All it is is a re-release of a classic; i would hardly call is a remaster at any stretch of the imagination. I dont really need to upload footage (you sound like the other guy); all I know is that the game played fine and that the video was overly negative over some really old game
Low FPS has to be the dumbest reason not to play a game
works fine for me, seems somebody is mad that they have a shitbox
No it doesn’t.
@@gamingblowsofficial thank you for blessing me with the knowledge only you know 🙏 youre so smart dude. Not smart enough to have a pc that can run Shenmue though 😭
@@ThirdEye-47 Exactly. Nobody has one.