To these 2nd-3rd Century church theologians (the time of the Megiddo mosaic), Jesus was not Almighty God, but a second, subordinate, derived "god": Justin Martyr, c. AD 150 (Dialogue with Trypho, 56) "I shall attempt to persuade you, since you have understood the Scriptures, [of the truth] of what I say, that there is, and that there is said to be, another god and lord subject to the Maker of All Things; who is also called an Angel, because he announces to men whatsoever the Maker of All Things- above whom there is no other god - wishes to announce to them. Tertullian (AD 160-240) Against Praxeas 7, 9: “... believe that there is one only God, but under the following dispensation... that this one only God has also a Son, His Word, who proceeded from Himself… For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation…” Apology, 21: “He became also the Son of God, and was begotten when he proceeded forth from Him...” “…he proceeds forth from God…he is generated, so that he is the Son of God, and is called deity from unity of substance with God.” Origin (AD 185-254) De Principiis (On the First Principles) First, that there is one God, who created and arranged all things, and who, when nothing existed, called all things into being-being…This just and good God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Himself gave the law and the prophets, and the Gospels, being also the God of the apostles and of the Old and New Testaments” (Preface, 4) Secondly, that Jesus Christ himself, who came, was born of the Father before all creatures; that, after He had been the servant of the Father in the creation … in the last times, divesting himself, became a man, and was incarnate although G/god, and while made a man remained the G/god which he was.” (Preface, 4).
The fact itself that a table was offered AND a mosaic was created to commemorate the event and the woman, shows that the table was a sacrificial table , (Αγία Τράπεζα), literally the altar for the Eucharist. In addition, the text itself says that Akeptoys is described as philotheos and the mosaic mentions Jesus Christ as God, means that Jesus Christ was believed to be YHWH.
Hi, would you agree that the God-Man Jesus is "trans-natured"? That is, he only at first had a God nature, but then also "trans-ed" to a human nature. He would also be non-binary, no?
@@billschlegel1 THE PERSON OF THE SON OF GOD THE WORD AND WISDOM OF GOD BECAME MAN WITHOUT LOST HIS DIVINE NATURE THE MAN JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD NOW HAVING ALSO THE HUMAN NATURE WITH ALL WEAKNESSES EXCEPT THE SIN . AS THE MAN HAVING A SOUL WITH INTELLECT BUT ALSO WITH A BODY HE IS NOT TWO PERSONS A SPIRITUAL AND LOGICAL PERSON AND AN OTHER THE MATERIAL PERSON OF HIS BODY.WHEN HE SAYS I AM IS ONE PERSON WITH 2 NATURES. I THINK IS CLEAR THE MYSTERY OF THE INCARNATION IS NOT UNDERSTANDING AT THE HUMAN REASON EXACTLY AS THE MYSTERY OF THE HOLY TRINITY.WE MUST ACCEPT THEM AS DIVINE REVELATION FROM THE BIBLE AND THE COMMENTS OF THE THEOLOGIANS. THESE WHO FIGHT THESE MYSTERIES WE CAN REFUTE THEM WITH THE REASON AND THE WISDOM BECAUSE A MYSTERY COMING FROM GOD CANNOT BE REFUTED...
These inscriptions can be interpreted man's way or God's way. By definition, these inscriptions cannot be used at all, because the manmade churches already went astray in the time of the apostles. Mixing of God's word with man's wisdom/carnal thinking always has been the problem.
Greco-Romans make men into Gods as a standard practice. Acts 14:11-15 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, *“The gods have come down to us in human form!”* Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, *they tore their clothes* and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, *telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.* A God/Man was totally abhorrent and foreign to Judeans. And it must he noted that Paul and Barnabas did not teach the about “The God who became a man” as Trinitarians teach.
@@nikostheater I see from your non existent response to any verse in Bible that “Teaches” the Trinity or Jesus being the LORD God matches with scripture. The Bible simply does not “Teach” those things. They “read into” scattered verses that are misinterpreted by Trinitarians. Jesus told us that God is One Mk 12. The same creed of the Hebrew people for 1000’s of years, quoted by Jesus with no equivocation.
every time i see that people are calling Yeshua God i have to correct them.... ONLY God the Father is God and Yeshua knew this KNOWS this... Him that overcomes i will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out no more and i will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, which is new Jerusalem which come downs out of heaven from MY GOD, and i will write upon him my new name.... Revelation 3: 12.... four times Yeshua refers to the Father His Father His GOD here....
As an Orthodox Christian i will add that our many of our Holy Fathers had revelations of the Holy Trinity. You cannot think those things. It is revealed to you if you are worthy enough. I trust them.
Hi, thanks for having a listen/look. As an Orthodox Christian, how would you understand the declaration of Jesus in John 17:3 that the Father is the "only true God"?
so being "worthy enough".... is that hard work getting worthy enough? I had a revelation of non trinity. It stunned me, and so many prayers later revealing more trinity lies. God will save every one who calls on the blood of the lamb by faith, not by having to strive at being worthy enough!
@@ken440 please read my answer to mr. schlegel question. :) One can pray but can fall into delusion. We have to be careful and always talk with good spiritual father about spiritual things.
Gen : LET US MAKE man in our image. The term LET US is a litiary tech that allows a superior to include a subordanent in the activity! Ie God said" LET US go down and confuse their language. A General may say LET UStake that hill. The teacher will say LET US find our seats ! LET us make man in .......... GOD (JEHOVAH) CREATED them male and female . Jehovah CREATOR/ ORIGINATOR Jesus. MAKER. made as designed, as directed. !! Every thing that was MADE was made by Jesus the MASTER WORKMAN .
you were doing fine untill your last sentence when you inserted your supposition into your theology. Jesus is head and creator of the body, us, christians, the church which is a new creation, as outlined in Colossians. Other than that is is God alone who created all, right there in front of the myriad angelic sons of God, the myriad upon myriad that He was talking to and including in His plans... " let us make man in OUR Image. i.e. to be imagers of the unseen.
Bill, my name is Benjamin Johnson, I used to go to the Master's University, and that is where I first heard of you. I've been looking into the doctrine of the Trinity and to be honest a lot of the things you say resonate with what I see in the Scriptures. It makes sense to me that Jesus can be Christ and Lord without being God. It does not make sense to refer to God as "He" when one really believes that he is "they". One thing that I have seen in searching for the answer to this question is that Jesus allows people to worship him. Jesus himself in Matthew 4 tells the devil that only God should be worshipped, but then later in Matthew 28, right before he gives the famous "Great Commission", it says that "And when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted." If Jesus believes that Only God should be worshipped, then why does he not stop them from worshipping him?
Jesus said the Father was in him. He said he spoke the words his Father gave him to speak. He said he did the works his Father gave him to do. He prayed to his Father. He said that his Father was the only true God. He said the the Father was his God. Jesus said that he is a man. Peter said that Jesus is a man. Paul said that Jesus is a man. Yahweh is our God and Jesus is his human son.
That time, the Greek language was written with only capital letters, thus a G/g distinction is irrelevant and stupid. The Inscription is very clear and it says that Jesus is God.
Indeed. I used the capital vs. small letter because now it helps clarify. Today a capital G refers to the only true God (see John 17:3), but for people like Justin Martyr, Jesus was a lesser, derived Being.
@@billschlegel1 No, He wasn't. Jesus was never a lesser, derived being. He was always considered YHWH, the God that revealed Himself to Moses in the burning bush. That's the whole point in passages like the first chapter of John, not only the verse verse, but also the part where John the Baptist is identified as the one paving the way for the Lord , as prophesied by Isaiah 40:3 "A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God." Not a highway for a lesser, derived god, But OUR GOD. It means YHWH if it isn't yet obvious.
@ in the Bible, Jesus is the incarnated Logos, YHWH that entered the world by being born by a woman. Jesus has both a divine nature (YHWH) and a human nature.
Hi. The blind man (John 9:9) also said "I AM". I believe what Jesus said is better translated, "before Abraham comes to be (in the future), I am..." th-cam.com/video/iE-yACGi69s/w-d-xo.html
@billschlegel1 that is my point. He exists before the time of Abraham. God spoke and He created the heaven and the earth and all things within space and time. He is no lesser God.
@@guyheroJesus was not speaking of this world. Read the lead up. Jesus was speaking of the kingdom of God of which Jesus is the firstborn, the first creation. Jesus is first before Abraham. Jesus was resurrected from the dead while Abraham is dead. Notice that Jesus said whoever keeps my word will never taste death. Everyone dies, even Jesus died. So what was Jesus talking about? He was talking about the final death. If you keep his word you will never taste this death. You will have life in the kingdom of God. The gospel is not about this world. It is about the kingdom of God in which Jesus is first before Abraham. The question Jesus was answering when he made this statement was the question the Pharisees asked, are you greater than Abraham? The answer is yes. Jesus is before Abraham in the kingdom of God.
@MichaelTheophilus906 I'm on all the big Christian TH-cam channels, bringing this up in the comments. You're right, and not that I think you're discouraged, but I always keep in mind that what I'm saying may not necessarily be for people I'm speaking directly with. I understand that for a few reasons, it can't be easy for others to just accept no matter how convincing we can be. Keep it up.
Jesus is co-equal with the Father and Holy Spirit in terms of power but not in authority because the Son and the Holy Spirit are always submissive to the Father.
Hi, thanks for having a listen/look. How do you understand the Apostle Peter's declaration that Jesus was made Lord and Christ by God (Acts 2:22) - that is, if Jesus is co-equal with the Father?
Peter has been using the prophecies of Joel 2:28-32 to explain why a group of Jesus-followers has suddenly begun speaking in different languages (Acts 2:1-13). Joel explains that in the last days, the Holy Spirit will come and cause God's followers to prophecy (Joel 2:28-29; Acts 2:17-18). He then promises judgment for those who ignore the prophecies (Joel 2:30-31; Acts 2:19-20) and rescue for those who listen and respond (Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21). Peter now ties Joel's prophecy to his audience. Joel warned that God would destroy Israel because of their rejection of Him. Fifty days ago, the Jews rejected Jesus. Peter will use prophecies from David to prove Jesus' identity as the Messiah that God promised them (Acts 2:25-28, 34-35).
God the Father addresssing the Son as God 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom Hebrews 1:6-8 kjv
@@donrob6273but then Heb1:9 spoils your theory, because there we see this one on Gods throne, has a God! The throne of God is referencing Davids throne which was inaugurated by God. And that whole section of Hebrews is a quote from psm45 which was about a faithful king. Its a prophet talking to a king.
@ken440 The verses in Psalms is a Messiahnic prophecy and was fulfilled by Jesus as the fulfilment of the laws and the prophets. It was clearly explained or put into light or nailed/stamped by the book of Hebrews.
The standard way to build the Trinity is: "There is one God. The Father is God, the Son is God (see, even in the 3rd century they believed that), the Spirit is God. So God must be three in one". To the Triniarian, the Megiddo inscription is evidence that "the Son is God". But that claim is ignorant of what kind of God Gentile Christians thought Jesus was in the 2nd-3rd centuries, as the video explains.
Bill great video. I think it’s important to really emphasize the point that these gentiles Greek/Roman minded men were so far off track even in the 200’s and actually around 100 things really were going wrong. Which not surprisingly is just after the death of all the apostles. My personal belief is and I believe I can prove it on some level in scripture but definitely from a historical perspective, that once the temple was destroyed, the Jews stopped allowing gentiles into the synagogues and divorced from believing Jews with the foundation of the TNK under them, reading NT writings without apostolic discipleship and that proper paradigm, gentiles began discipling gentiles instead with platonic gnostic paradigms - interpreting NT writing making there own disciples, what happened was they completely manufactured this lower case god situation and ultimately the Trinity that is as you pointed out not in the scriptures at all AND not true apostolic Messianic Christianity at all! Fast forward and the “Cristian’s” today are generally Trinitarian, void of the foundation of Torah specifically, but also the TNK as a whole, and the God that they worship IS NOT the Elohim of scripture, and the Messiah is not the foretold messianic son of Adam, Abraham, & David, and there faith is not the same as the Apostles and there disciples in the book of Acts. These are historical facts that are substantiated in the book of Acts. I saw you had another Unitarian guy recently on as a guest. I would love to present this case on your show, for your audience to hear. Message me here if you we would like to discuss it further and we will take it from there. Shalom!
It is obvious from the writings of the "church fathers" that they were straying from the truth early on. Jesus, Peter, and Paul warned us of this. Christianity went underground in 381 A.D. We need to stick with the scriptures and ignore the doctrines of men.
Bill, your claim that the Church Fathers taught a “second, derivative, subordinate God” reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of their writings and conflates economic subordination (functional roles within the Godhead) with ontological subordination (inferiority of essence). Let me clarify this for you and address the Megiddo Mosaic Inscription and the teachings of Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and the Apostolic witness. You’re conflating two distinct concepts: Ontological Subordination: This false teaching claims the Son is inferior in essence to the Father, which the Church Fathers explicitly rejected. Economic Subordination: This refers to the functional roles of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the economy of salvation: The Father is the source and origin (the monarchy of the Godhead). The Son is eternally begotten of the Father, functionally subordinate in His earthly mission but equal in divine essence. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and acts within the divine economy. This distinction avoids both Arianism (which denies Christ’s divinity) and Modalism (which collapses the persons of the Trinity into one). You cited Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho (56), but you’ve misread his intent. Justin speaks of the Son as “another God” functionally within God’s economy, not ontologically. Let’s unpack this: 1. Justin affirms the Son’s divinity and pre-existence: “There is no other God but Him who made and disposed all things, nor is there any prince above Him, but I affirm that He has a Son.” Justin affirms that the Son is distinct from the Father, pre-existent, and divine. 2. Subject Language: When Justin speaks of the Son being “subject,” it refers to His functional role in mediating creation and revelation not to any inferiority in being or nature. Justin consistently describes the Son as sharing the Father’s divine essence while maintaining a relational distinction. You also referenced Tertullian’s Against Praxeas (7, 9), claiming he taught the Son is “derived” and subordinate. However, Tertullian makes a crucial distinction: 1. Tertullian writes: “The Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole…” This refers to the eternal generation of the Son, not to inferiority. The Son’s “derivation” means He comes from the Father, just as light proceeds from the sun-without division or inferiority. 2. Tertullian explicitly affirms the unity of essence: “The Son is God by unity of substance with the Father.” Far from teaching ontological subordination, Tertullian upholds the Son’s equality in divine essence while distinguishing His relational role within the Godhead. The Megiddo Mosaic Inscription (230 AD) predates the Council of Nicaea and confirms that early Christians worshiped Jesus as fully divine: It reads: “The God Jesus Christ.” The use of nomina sacra (ΘΩ ΙΥ ΧΩ) confirms that Jesus was recognized as God by nature, not as a created or subordinate being. Your attempt to reinterpret this inscription fails because: 1. There is no linguistic separation between “God” and “Jesus Christ” in the text. 2. The inscription reflects the Apostolic Tradition, which proclaimed Christ’s eternal divinity. 3. The scholarly consensus both archaeologists and theologians agrees that this inscription debunks claims of a subordinate or created Christ. The inscription aligns perfectly with what the Apostles taught: Jesus is eternally divine, distinct from the Father yet sharing the same divine essence. Scripture is unequivocal about the eternal and divine nature of the Son: John 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The Logos (Son) is eternal, distinct, and fully God. Colossians 1:16-17: “By Him all things were created… and in Him all things consist.” The Son is the Creator and Sustainer of all things, which excludes Him from being a creature. Hebrews 1:3: “[The Son] is the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person.” The Son perfectly reflects the Father’s divine nature. John 20:28: Thomas addresses Jesus as: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus accepts this worship, affirming His divinity. The Apostles never taught ontological subordination. Instead, they proclaimed Christ as eternally begotten, distinct from the Father in person yet equal in divine essence. You claimed that the early Church did not view Jesus as God Almighty, but this is demonstrably false: 1. Pre-Nicene Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch (107 AD): “Jesus Christ our God…” (Letter to the Ephesians, 1). 2. Irenaeus of Lyons (180 AD): “He is God, for the name Emmanuel indicates this.” (Against Heresies, III.19.1). 3. Tertullian (200 AD): “The Son is God by unity of substance with the Father.” The Megiddo Mosaic Inscription affirms this Apostolic Tradition, proving that the belief in Jesus as God Almighty existed well before Nicaea. Bill, your argument falls apart because you conflate economic subordination with ontological subordination, a distinction the Church Fathers made clear. Here’s what you’re missing: 1. The Church Fathers (Justin Martyr, Tertullian, etc.) affirmed the Son’s eternal generation and full divinity while acknowledging His relational distinction from the Father. 2. The Megiddo Mosaic Inscription (230 AD) explicitly calls Jesus God, aligning with Apostolic Tradition and refuting all claims of Christ as a subordinate or created being. 3. The Apostolic Witness (John 1:1; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:3) affirms that Jesus is eternal, divine, and equal in essence with the Father. Your appeal to misread texts and forced interpretations does not hold up against the overwhelming biblical, historical, and archaeological evidence that Jesus is ontologically God Almighty with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Hi. Thanks for having a listen and for the thoughtful reply. Note your very first quote of Justin Martyr: "“There is no other God but Him who made and disposed all things, nor is there any prince above Him, but I affirm that He has a Son.”
God Jesus Christ (the anointed one of God). If we translate word Christ into what it really means then it's obvious that Jesus can't be The God who anointed himself.
Jesus is the human son of God. Matt 1:18-25, Luke 1:30-35, Luke 2:4-7, 21&22, 39-40, 52. John 8:40 Acts 2.22, Acts 17.31, Rom 5.15, Gal 4.4, I Tim 2.5, Matt 3:16-17.
But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”(Hebrews 1:8-9)
Wow talk about having the deceptive mind and tongue of Satan this guy is a mouth piece of deception and misrepresentation. Only academics can tell how misleading are his logic and conclusions. Always scary to hear such convoluted reasoning.
Jesus is the divine Word manifested in the flesh. There’s no need to say what the New Testament doesn’t say. It never says “trans-natured” you’re dragging 21st century lingo with all its surrounding rhetoric into a context it never existed in-not a good exegetical approach. Big G vs little g is also a modern interpretation since the earliest manuscripts in both Greek and Hebrew have no such convention. θεον and θεός are both lower case, in John 1:1, for example. There is no big G, in Papyrus 66. So rendering one a “Big G” and another a “little g” is completely arbitrary. Every time the word is used, it’s lowercase. And you seem educated enough to know there’s no way to capitalize אלהים or אדני. There is no big Aleph, which is why the Tetragrammaton is mostly used throughout the OT. There is no evidence that the Tetragrammaton was used in the NT, at all; only in the Greek Septuagint. So, here, you’re left with a completely arbitrary method of interpretation when you presuppose that there’s a such thing as big “G”, or a little “g”, especially when the Bible insists repeatedly that there’s only one “G” Isaiah 44:6 says “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.” And this is echoed repeatedly throughout the Old and New Testament. Jesus being a “god” is not even a possibility. He’s either God or he’s not. He can’t be “a god.” All other “gods” besides God are not actually gods but demons. This is plainly expressed in 1 Corinthians 10 by Paul . Every “deity” is a demon; there is no “deity” outside of the one true God; there is no in between. Where there are “other gods” besides the Lord, there is only Satan, and his fallen angels. Again, poor exegesis. 1 Corinthians 10:21-22 [21] You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. [22] Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?
Thank You, This Is What I've Come To Believe Also Since I Am No Longer A Protestant Of The Re-Form-Mation Of Catholic Doctrine. - Yeshua, 'The Word Of God' Told The Jews That He Said In Their Law That They Are gods. - John 10:34 - As Israel Use To Know They Were gods of God. - Josh.22:22 - And John Wrote In The Greek That Yeshua Is "The Only Begotten god" - John 1:18 - As God Calls His Children gods. - Ps.82:6 - About Yeshua Calling Himself 'The Son of Man' ? I Found Two Scriptures One From God's Prophet Isaiah Of Lucifer The Fallen Angel Being Are Called A 'Man' - Is.14:16 And The Apostle John Referring To An Angel As 'Man'. - Rev.21:17 I'm Not Trying To Prove Yeshua As Being An Angel. Because He Called Himself 'The Son Of Man'. Cause I Don't Know How Far I Could Believe That. But I'm Just Showing What I Found Of Scriptures Saying About Angels Being Called A Man.
One verse that has always troubled me is ........ This seems to teach the Father and son have a different set of comamnds....... If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love John 15:10...... Can you clear this up thanks. I'm a former Trinity guy not because I studied it out but because the pastor taught it...... thanks
Hi. I don't see a contradiction or a difference between the Father's commands and Jesus's. In John's Gospel Jesus says things like "For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment--what to say and what to speak" (John 12:49); and, "Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me" (John 14:24). Any command that Jesus gave is from the Father.
Biblical trinity teaches Jesus is creator, not creature, but a lesser rank than the Father, and Jesus is eternally pre-existent, and the Holy Spirit is a person. Nicene and Modern Catholic trinity teaches the false doctrine that Jesus was co-equal with the Father in rank. 1 Cor 15:28 clearly teaches Jesus is a lower rank than the Father both now and forever, but this Jesus is equal in nature as uncreated God. Ask your lovely submissive wife if she equal to you a human or a lesser class of being. Submission occurs between two of equal classes of being between the Father and the Son, and between you and your wife. Your explanation of the Megiddo “GOD JESUS CHRIST” inscription, therefore, misses the mark refuting a straw man. Justin’s statement highlighted in your video is in complete agreement with trinitarian theology and is self-defeating to your overall thesis: “another God and Lord under the Creator of all things” (Justin Dial. 56) Your Henotheism was not taught by Justin, as he believed Jesus was distinct, but one mind with the Father. Justin was also not a modalist and he believed Jesus pre-existed his incarnation in 2 BC. In fact, Justin NEVER calls Jesus a creature, one of God’s creatures, etc. And Justin is correct in stating the Father is creator, despite any comment that Jesus was also creator in view of Jn 1:1-5 and Col 1:14-16. Justin taught that Jesus was the God of Abraham at the burning bush who spoke to him. “‘Allow me now to show you from the words of the book of Exodus how this very Person who was at the same time Angel and God and Lord and Man, and who was seen by Abraham and Jacob, also appeared and talked to Moses from the flame of the fiery bush.’ … Then I asked, ‘My friends, do you not see that He whom Moses speaks of as an Angel who conversed with him from the fiery bush is the same who, being God, signifies to Moses that He is the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob?’” (Justin 59) The Megiddo inscription, therefore, is devastating to Neo-Arians, who read their modern theology into specifically crafted discussions Justin framed to an opponent who denied Jesus was God, which Justin believed. Historically, Neo-Arians trace the origin of Trinity to the just before the Nicene era and was first codified in the Nicaean creed. The Megiddo inscription is an irrecoverable punch in the gut that puts this false doctrine out of its misery once and for all.
I was just blasted for pointing out Jesus is not God on a You Tube making the rounds. They said the name "Yahweh" is a pagan name that YHWH or Jehovah is the real name? I said ok that's the first I've ever heard of that. If you pronounce YHWH it's announced Yahweh. Secondly Jehovah was not an early name, Elohim, Adonai etc were. The guy asked if I wanted to learn I just no thanks. The only thing Pagan is Constantine's Trinity. Good luck 👍🏼🙏🏼😇💯
Jehovah came into use about 500 years ago so,that’s why we call,God Jehovah Jesus Jacob etc etc so this is why we use the J in the names that was Yehovah yesuh etc etc
Is there any narrative or explanation in the Bible that our Creator himself reincarnated as a man outside of some random verses? What's the narrative running through the Bible, or the gospels more specifically? Was this man our Creator or the Messiah? From what I can tell, it's only one of these.
@charlestiraco8634 the set apart spirit was with Mary and Joseph when they had sex in wedlock. and they had a child named Yahusha.which would be called Emmanuel,meaning Aluah with us.that is in the only accurate scriptures interpreted it from paleo Hebrew and the original Aramaic Scripts that that Matthew and Luke wrotein their own dialects.the father's name is YAHUAH.and he is the true Mashiyha
@@jamiecarter4993 So what you just said about the set apart spirit and Mary and Joseph and sex in wedlock is something we'll read about in the Bible? Also, the Bible will explain how this makes the Messiah to actually be our Creator? I understand the name meaning of the name of the Messiah, but that is a misunderstanding as to who that says the Messiah is. Many of the OT biblical names have this same pattern. I wouldn't say you're wrong with some of the different views you have on Christianity. But, I would say you're wrong to say that the Messiah is actually the Creator reincarnated. That is not the message the Bible is giving us. I think you would benefit from watching some of the other lessons they have this channel regarding that subject.
@charlestiraco8634 YAHUAH is the creator.if u do not beieve that Yahusha is YAHUAH Mashiyha then u are denying it all.Yahuhanan(sn-John)15:1 in the Truth Scriptures interpreted from the Paleo Hebrew and Aramaic original Scripts it says,Ahyah Ashar Ahyah,meaning I Am that I AM,the living Aluah,the True Vine, and my Father is the Gardener
To these 2nd-3rd Century church theologians (the time of the Megiddo mosaic), Jesus was not Almighty God, but a second, subordinate, derived "god":
Justin Martyr, c. AD 150 (Dialogue with Trypho, 56)
"I shall attempt to persuade you, since you have understood the Scriptures, [of the truth] of what I say, that there is, and that there is said to be, another god and lord subject to the Maker of All Things; who is also called an Angel, because he announces to men whatsoever the Maker of All Things- above whom there is no other god - wishes to announce to them.
Tertullian (AD 160-240)
Against Praxeas 7, 9: “... believe that there is one only God, but under the following dispensation... that this one only God has also a Son, His Word, who proceeded from Himself…
For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation…”
Apology, 21: “He became also the Son of God, and was begotten when he proceeded forth from Him...” “…he proceeds forth from God…he is generated, so that he is the Son of God, and is called deity from unity of substance with God.”
Origin (AD 185-254)
De Principiis (On the First Principles)
First, that there is one God, who created and arranged all things, and who, when nothing existed, called all things into being-being…This just and good God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Himself gave the law and the prophets, and the Gospels, being also the God of the apostles and of the Old and New Testaments” (Preface, 4)
Secondly, that Jesus Christ himself, who came, was born of the Father before all creatures; that, after He had been the servant of the Father in the creation … in the last times, divesting himself, became a man, and was incarnate although G/god, and while made a man remained the G/god which he was.” (Preface, 4).
The same that still infects Christianity today. Exactly what John and the apostles spoke against. Jesus was not a second, lower god.
Im grateful you chimed in on this. The christian youtube world is going wild.
The fact itself that a table was offered AND a mosaic was created to commemorate the event and the woman, shows that the table was a sacrificial table , (Αγία Τράπεζα), literally the altar for the Eucharist.
In addition, the text itself says that Akeptoys is described as philotheos and the mosaic mentions Jesus Christ as God, means that Jesus Christ was believed to be YHWH.
Good job Bill thanks again bro, one true God and Father and his Son the Messiah and saviour and Lord and Christ
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JESUS CHRIST TRUE GOD AND TRUE MAN PERFECT MEASUREMENT OF ALL THINGS.WHO IN HISTORY IS EQUAL AT JESUS?
Hi, would you agree that the God-Man Jesus is "trans-natured"? That is, he only at first had a God nature, but then also "trans-ed" to a human nature. He would also be non-binary, no?
@@billschlegel1 THE PERSON OF THE SON OF GOD THE WORD AND WISDOM OF GOD BECAME MAN WITHOUT LOST HIS DIVINE NATURE THE MAN JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD NOW HAVING ALSO THE HUMAN NATURE WITH ALL WEAKNESSES EXCEPT THE SIN .
AS THE MAN HAVING A SOUL WITH INTELLECT BUT ALSO WITH A BODY HE IS NOT TWO PERSONS A SPIRITUAL AND LOGICAL PERSON AND AN OTHER THE MATERIAL PERSON OF HIS BODY.WHEN HE SAYS I AM IS ONE PERSON WITH 2 NATURES.
I THINK IS CLEAR THE MYSTERY OF THE INCARNATION IS NOT UNDERSTANDING AT THE HUMAN REASON EXACTLY AS THE MYSTERY OF THE HOLY TRINITY.WE MUST ACCEPT THEM AS DIVINE REVELATION FROM THE BIBLE AND THE COMMENTS OF THE THEOLOGIANS.
THESE WHO FIGHT THESE MYSTERIES WE CAN REFUTE THEM WITH THE REASON AND THE WISDOM BECAUSE A MYSTERY COMING FROM GOD CANNOT BE REFUTED...
We would know after we die.
We would know after we die. Until then, keep our faith or whatever to ourselves.
@@rocketmoonshine9205 MAY BE IT WILL BE TOO LATE?THE SENSE OF THIS SHORT LIFE IS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE PARADISE OR THE HELL...DO THE GOOD CHOICE!!
These inscriptions can be interpreted man's way or God's way. By definition, these inscriptions cannot be used at all, because the manmade churches already went astray in the time of the apostles. Mixing of God's word with man's wisdom/carnal thinking always has been the problem.
A great point to make.
Greco-Romans make men into Gods as a standard practice.
Acts 14:11-15
When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, *“The gods have come down to us in human form!”* Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.
But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, *they tore their clothes* and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, *telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.*
A God/Man was totally abhorrent and foreign to Judeans. And it must he noted that Paul and Barnabas did not teach the about “The God who became a man” as Trinitarians teach.
Indeed.
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist Paul taught the Trinitarian God and specifically taught that Jesus is God. Multiple times.
@@nikostheater “Taught” please point out his teaching on the Trinity or teaching that Jesus is The LORD God.
@@nikostheater I see from your non existent response to any verse in Bible that “Teaches” the Trinity or Jesus being the LORD God matches with scripture.
The Bible simply does not “Teach” those things. They “read into” scattered verses that are misinterpreted by Trinitarians.
Jesus told us that God is One Mk 12. The same creed of the Hebrew people for 1000’s of years, quoted by Jesus with no equivocation.
@ I responded to everything. Can you even read?
Greek was all uppercase till the 9th century… Byzantine scribes added lower case letters about 600 years ago.
Doesn't your question assume that there are such conventions as capitalization in ancient greek? If there are, are the indications of the same things?
By that time, all the writing was in capital letters, thus a big G/small g is irrelevant.
@@nikostheater that's what I would think.
every time i see that people are calling Yeshua God i have to correct them.... ONLY God the Father is God and Yeshua knew this KNOWS this... Him that overcomes i will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out no more and i will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, which is new Jerusalem which come downs out of heaven from MY GOD, and i will write upon him my new name.... Revelation 3: 12.... four times Yeshua refers to the Father His Father His GOD here....
As an Orthodox Christian i will add that our many of our Holy Fathers had revelations of the Holy Trinity. You cannot think those things. It is revealed to you if you are worthy enough.
I trust them.
Hi, thanks for having a listen/look. As an Orthodox Christian, how would you understand the declaration of Jesus in John 17:3 that the Father is the "only true God"?
so being "worthy enough".... is that hard work getting worthy enough? I had a revelation of non trinity. It stunned me, and so many prayers later revealing more trinity lies.
God will save every one who calls on the blood of the lamb by faith, not by having to strive at being worthy enough!
@@ken440 please read my answer to mr. schlegel question. :)
One can pray but can fall into delusion. We have to be careful and always talk with good spiritual father about spiritual things.
@@billschlegel1mr. Schlegel, i cant reply because TH-cam is deleting my comment. I will reply on your latest blog post. :)
@@ken440 one can pray and be deluded. In Orthodoxy we say to this Prelest. We have to be careful.
Gen : LET US MAKE man in our image. The term LET US is a litiary tech that allows a superior to include a subordanent in the activity! Ie God said" LET US go down and confuse their language.
A General may say LET UStake that hill. The teacher will say LET US find our seats !
LET us make man in ..........
GOD (JEHOVAH) CREATED them male and female .
Jehovah CREATOR/ ORIGINATOR
Jesus. MAKER. made as designed, as directed. !!
Every thing that was MADE was made by Jesus the MASTER WORKMAN .
you were doing fine untill your last sentence when you inserted your supposition into your theology. Jesus is head and creator of the body, us, christians, the church which is a new creation, as outlined in Colossians.
Other than that is is God alone who created all, right there in front of the myriad angelic sons of God, the myriad upon myriad that He was talking to and including in His plans... " let us make man in OUR Image. i.e. to be imagers of the unseen.
Bill, my name is Benjamin Johnson, I used to go to the Master's University, and that is where I first heard of you. I've been looking into the doctrine of the Trinity and to be honest a lot of the things you say resonate with what I see in the Scriptures. It makes sense to me that Jesus can be Christ and Lord without being God. It does not make sense to refer to God as "He" when one really believes that he is "they". One thing that I have seen in searching for the answer to this question is that Jesus allows people to worship him. Jesus himself in Matthew 4 tells the devil that only God should be worshipped, but then later in Matthew 28, right before he gives the famous "Great Commission", it says that "And when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted." If Jesus believes that Only God should be worshipped, then why does he not stop them from worshipping him?
John 1:18
King James Version
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Jesus said the Father was in him. He said he spoke the words his Father gave him to speak. He said he did the works his Father gave him to do. He prayed to his Father. He said that his Father was the only true God. He said the the Father was his God. Jesus said that he is a man. Peter said that Jesus is a man. Paul said that Jesus is a man. Yahweh is our God and Jesus is his human son.
That time, the Greek language was written with only capital letters, thus a G/g distinction is irrelevant and stupid.
The Inscription is very clear and it says that Jesus is God.
Indeed. I used the capital vs. small letter because now it helps clarify. Today a capital G refers to the only true God (see John 17:3), but for people like Justin Martyr, Jesus was a lesser, derived Being.
@@billschlegel1 No, He wasn't. Jesus was never a lesser, derived being. He was always considered YHWH, the God that revealed Himself to Moses in the burning bush. That's the whole point in passages like the first chapter of John, not only the verse verse, but also the part where John the Baptist is identified as the one paving the way for the Lord , as prophesied by Isaiah 40:3 "A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God." Not a highway for a lesser, derived god, But OUR GOD. It means YHWH if it isn't yet obvious.
@@nikostheater In the Bible, Jesus is a human being.
@ in the Bible, Jesus is the incarnated Logos, YHWH that entered the world by being born by a woman. Jesus has both a divine nature (YHWH) and a human nature.
@@nikostheater Sounds like you are denying that Jesus is a human being.
Jesus said, "Before Abraham, I AM".
Hi. The blind man (John 9:9) also said "I AM". I believe what Jesus said is better translated, "before Abraham comes to be (in the future), I am..." th-cam.com/video/iE-yACGi69s/w-d-xo.html
@billschlegel1 that is my point. He exists before the time of Abraham. God spoke and He created the heaven and the earth and all things within space and time. He is no lesser God.
@@guyheroJesus was not speaking of this world. Read the lead up. Jesus was speaking of the kingdom of God of which Jesus is the firstborn, the first creation. Jesus is first before Abraham. Jesus was resurrected from the dead while Abraham is dead.
Notice that Jesus said whoever keeps my word will never taste death. Everyone dies, even Jesus died. So what was Jesus talking about? He was talking about the final death. If you keep his word you will never taste this death. You will have life in the kingdom of God.
The gospel is not about this world. It is about the kingdom of God in which Jesus is first before Abraham. The question Jesus was answering when he made this statement was the question the Pharisees asked, are you greater than Abraham? The answer is yes. Jesus is before Abraham in the kingdom of God.
@@driller7714 yes, please read John 1. Jesus is the WORD of GOD.
@@guyhero
Yes indeed please read John 1. And the word became flesh. When did the word become flesh?
Bill. Love your teaching... I left Oneness couple of years ago, and I realize and understand more and more the Son of God doctrine.....
You last sentence right back at you! Blessings.
@MichaelTheophilus906 I'm on all the big Christian TH-cam channels, bringing this up in the comments. You're right, and not that I think you're discouraged, but I always keep in mind that what I'm saying may not necessarily be for people I'm speaking directly with. I understand that for a few reasons, it can't be easy for others to just accept no matter how convincing we can be. Keep it up.
Hey Bill, location of Nazareth & Jerusalem is highly significant. Thomas
Read "the God of Jesus" by keegan Chandler and/or "the real Christ" by duncan heaster. The truth prevails!
Jesus is co-equal with the Father and Holy Spirit in terms of power but not in authority because the Son and the Holy Spirit are always submissive to the Father.
Hi, thanks for having a listen/look. How do you understand the Apostle Peter's declaration that Jesus was made Lord and Christ by God (Acts 2:22) - that is, if Jesus is co-equal with the Father?
Peter has been using the prophecies of Joel 2:28-32 to explain why a group of Jesus-followers has suddenly begun speaking in different languages (Acts 2:1-13). Joel explains that in the last days, the Holy Spirit will come and cause God's followers to prophecy (Joel 2:28-29; Acts 2:17-18). He then promises judgment for those who ignore the prophecies (Joel 2:30-31; Acts 2:19-20) and rescue for those who listen and respond (Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21).
Peter now ties Joel's prophecy to his audience. Joel warned that God would destroy Israel because of their rejection of Him. Fifty days ago, the Jews rejected Jesus. Peter will use prophecies from David to prove Jesus' identity as the Messiah that God promised them (Acts 2:25-28, 34-35).
God the Father addresssing the Son as God
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom
Hebrews 1:6-8 kjv
@@donrob6273but then Heb1:9 spoils your theory, because there we see this one on Gods throne, has a God!
The throne of God is referencing Davids throne which was inaugurated by God.
And that whole section of Hebrews is a quote from psm45 which was about a faithful king. Its a prophet talking to a king.
@ken440 The verses in Psalms is a Messiahnic prophecy and was fulfilled by Jesus as the fulfilment of the laws and the prophets. It was clearly explained or put into light or nailed/stamped by the book of Hebrews.
I seen a similar video. However they promotes it as a Trinity proof ?
The standard way to build the Trinity is: "There is one God. The Father is God, the Son is God (see, even in the 3rd century they believed that), the Spirit is God. So God must be three in one".
To the Triniarian, the Megiddo inscription is evidence that "the Son is God". But that claim is ignorant of what kind of God Gentile Christians thought Jesus was in the 2nd-3rd centuries, as the video explains.
Great video Bill. Love your knowledge of biblical geography adding additional helpful information
Sam, great observation about Origin being in Caesarea at about the same time.
Bill great video. I think it’s important to really emphasize the point that these gentiles Greek/Roman minded men were so far off track even in the 200’s and actually around 100 things really were going wrong. Which not surprisingly is just after the death of all the apostles. My personal belief is and I believe I can prove it on some level in scripture but definitely from a historical perspective, that once the temple was destroyed, the Jews stopped allowing gentiles into the synagogues and divorced from believing Jews with the foundation of the TNK under them, reading NT writings without apostolic discipleship and that proper paradigm, gentiles began discipling gentiles instead with platonic gnostic paradigms - interpreting NT writing making there own disciples, what happened was they completely manufactured this lower case god situation and ultimately the Trinity that is as you pointed out not in the scriptures at all AND not true apostolic Messianic Christianity at all! Fast forward and the “Cristian’s” today are generally Trinitarian, void of the foundation of Torah specifically, but also the TNK as a whole, and the God that they worship IS NOT the Elohim of scripture, and the Messiah is not the foretold messianic son of Adam, Abraham, & David, and there faith is not the same as the Apostles and there disciples in the book of Acts. These are historical facts that are substantiated in the book of Acts. I saw you had another Unitarian guy recently on as a guest. I would love to present this case on your show, for your audience to hear. Message me here if you we would like to discuss it further and we will take it from there. Shalom!
It is obvious from the writings of the "church fathers" that they were straying from the truth early on. Jesus, Peter, and Paul warned us of this. Christianity went underground in 381 A.D. We need to stick with the scriptures and ignore the doctrines of men.
Bill, your claim that the Church Fathers taught a “second, derivative, subordinate God” reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of their writings and conflates economic subordination (functional roles within the Godhead) with ontological subordination (inferiority of essence). Let me clarify this for you and address the Megiddo Mosaic Inscription and the teachings of Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and the Apostolic witness.
You’re conflating two distinct concepts:
Ontological Subordination: This false teaching claims the Son is inferior in essence to the Father, which the Church Fathers explicitly rejected.
Economic Subordination: This refers to the functional roles of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the economy of salvation:
The Father is the source and origin (the monarchy of the Godhead).
The Son is eternally begotten of the Father, functionally subordinate in His earthly mission but equal in divine essence.
The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and acts within the divine economy.
This distinction avoids both Arianism (which denies Christ’s divinity) and Modalism (which collapses the persons of the Trinity into one).
You cited Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho (56), but you’ve misread his intent. Justin speaks of the Son as “another God” functionally within God’s economy, not ontologically. Let’s unpack this:
1. Justin affirms the Son’s divinity and pre-existence:
“There is no other God but Him who made and disposed all things, nor is there any prince above Him, but I affirm that He has a Son.”
Justin affirms that the Son is distinct from the Father, pre-existent, and divine.
2. Subject Language: When Justin speaks of the Son being “subject,” it refers to His functional role in mediating creation and revelation not to any inferiority in being or nature.
Justin consistently describes the Son as sharing the Father’s divine essence while maintaining a relational distinction.
You also referenced Tertullian’s Against Praxeas (7, 9), claiming he taught the Son is “derived” and subordinate. However, Tertullian makes a crucial distinction:
1. Tertullian writes:
“The Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole…”
This refers to the eternal generation of the Son, not to inferiority. The Son’s “derivation” means He comes from the Father, just as light proceeds from the sun-without division or inferiority.
2. Tertullian explicitly affirms the unity of essence:
“The Son is God by unity of substance with the Father.”
Far from teaching ontological subordination, Tertullian upholds the Son’s equality in divine essence while distinguishing His relational role within the Godhead.
The Megiddo Mosaic Inscription (230 AD) predates the Council of Nicaea and confirms that early Christians worshiped Jesus as fully divine:
It reads: “The God Jesus Christ.”
The use of nomina sacra (ΘΩ ΙΥ ΧΩ) confirms that Jesus was recognized as God by nature, not as a created or subordinate being.
Your attempt to reinterpret this inscription fails because:
1. There is no linguistic separation between “God” and “Jesus Christ” in the text.
2. The inscription reflects the Apostolic Tradition, which proclaimed Christ’s eternal divinity.
3. The scholarly consensus both archaeologists and theologians agrees that this inscription debunks claims of a subordinate or created Christ.
The inscription aligns perfectly with what the Apostles taught: Jesus is eternally divine, distinct from the Father yet sharing the same divine essence. Scripture is unequivocal about the eternal and divine nature of the Son:
John 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
The Logos (Son) is eternal, distinct, and fully God.
Colossians 1:16-17: “By Him all things were created… and in Him all things consist.”
The Son is the Creator and Sustainer of all things, which excludes Him from being a creature.
Hebrews 1:3: “[The Son] is the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person.”
The Son perfectly reflects the Father’s divine nature.
John 20:28: Thomas addresses Jesus as: “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus accepts this worship, affirming His divinity.
The Apostles never taught ontological subordination. Instead, they proclaimed Christ as eternally begotten, distinct from the Father in person yet equal in divine essence.
You claimed that the early Church did not view Jesus as God Almighty, but this is demonstrably false:
1. Pre-Nicene Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch (107 AD):
“Jesus Christ our God…” (Letter to the Ephesians, 1).
2. Irenaeus of Lyons (180 AD):
“He is God, for the name Emmanuel indicates this.” (Against Heresies, III.19.1).
3. Tertullian (200 AD):
“The Son is God by unity of substance with the Father.”
The Megiddo Mosaic Inscription affirms this Apostolic Tradition, proving that the belief in Jesus as God Almighty existed well before Nicaea.
Bill, your argument falls apart because you conflate economic subordination with ontological subordination, a distinction the Church Fathers made clear. Here’s what you’re missing:
1. The Church Fathers (Justin Martyr, Tertullian, etc.) affirmed the Son’s eternal generation and full divinity while acknowledging His relational distinction from the Father.
2. The Megiddo Mosaic Inscription (230 AD) explicitly calls Jesus God, aligning with Apostolic Tradition and refuting all claims of Christ as a subordinate or created being.
3. The Apostolic Witness (John 1:1; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:3) affirms that Jesus is eternal, divine, and equal in essence with the Father.
Your appeal to misread texts and forced interpretations does not hold up against the overwhelming biblical, historical, and archaeological evidence that Jesus is ontologically God Almighty with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Hi. Thanks for having a listen and for the thoughtful reply. Note your very first quote of Justin Martyr: "“There is no other God but Him who made and disposed all things, nor is there any prince above Him, but I affirm that He has a Son.”
That is greek they created christianity
They wrote old testament
They wrote greek mythology
God Jesus Christ (the anointed one of God). If we translate word Christ into what it really means then it's obvious that Jesus can't be The God who anointed himself.
Jesus is the human son of God. Matt 1:18-25, Luke 1:30-35, Luke 2:4-7, 21&22, 39-40, 52. John 8:40 Acts 2.22, Acts 17.31, Rom 5.15, Gal 4.4, I Tim 2.5, Matt 3:16-17.
And even more, he can’t be YHWH’s anointed and also be YHWH.
But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”(Hebrews 1:8-9)
your point? you have given evidence that supports unitarians. @@donrob6273
Zechariah 2:8-11
YHVH sends YHVH.
Wow talk about having the deceptive mind and tongue of Satan this guy is a mouth piece of deception and misrepresentation. Only academics can tell how misleading are his logic and conclusions. Always scary to hear such convoluted reasoning.
Read "the God of Jesus" by keegan Chandler before you insult a brother in Christ.
Jesus is the divine Word manifested in the flesh. There’s no need to say what the New Testament doesn’t say. It never says “trans-natured” you’re dragging 21st century lingo with all its surrounding rhetoric into a context it never existed in-not a good exegetical approach.
Big G vs little g is also a modern interpretation since the earliest manuscripts in both Greek and Hebrew have no such convention. θεον and θεός are both lower case, in John 1:1, for example. There is no big G, in Papyrus 66. So rendering one a “Big G” and another a “little g” is completely arbitrary. Every time the word is used, it’s lowercase. And you seem educated enough to know there’s no way to capitalize אלהים or אדני. There is no big Aleph, which is why the Tetragrammaton is mostly used throughout the OT. There is no evidence that the Tetragrammaton was used in the NT, at all; only in the Greek Septuagint. So, here, you’re left with a completely arbitrary method of interpretation when you presuppose that there’s a such thing as big “G”, or a little “g”, especially when the Bible insists repeatedly that there’s only one “G”
Isaiah 44:6 says
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.”
And this is echoed repeatedly throughout the Old and New Testament.
Jesus being a “god” is not even a possibility. He’s either God or he’s not. He can’t be “a god.” All other “gods” besides God are not actually gods but demons. This is plainly expressed in 1 Corinthians 10 by Paul . Every “deity” is a demon; there is no “deity” outside of the one true God; there is no in between. Where there are “other gods” besides the Lord, there is only Satan, and his fallen angels. Again, poor exegesis.
1 Corinthians 10:21-22
[21] You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. [22] Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?
EXCELENT PRESENTATION !!
A very strong explanation and testimony. Thank you.
So good. Thanks brother
Thank You,
This Is What I've Come To Believe Also Since
I Am No Longer A Protestant Of The Re-Form-Mation Of Catholic Doctrine.
- Yeshua, 'The Word Of God' Told The Jews That He Said
In Their Law That They Are gods. - John 10:34
- As Israel Use To Know They Were gods of God. - Josh.22:22
- And John Wrote In The Greek That Yeshua Is "The Only Begotten god" - John 1:18
- As God Calls His Children gods. - Ps.82:6
- About Yeshua Calling Himself 'The Son of Man' ?
I Found Two Scriptures
One From God's Prophet Isaiah Of Lucifer The Fallen Angel Being Are Called A 'Man' - Is.14:16
And The Apostle John Referring To An Angel As 'Man'. - Rev.21:17
I'm Not Trying To Prove Yeshua As Being An Angel. Because He Called Himself 'The Son Of Man'.
Cause I Don't Know How Far I Could Believe That.
But I'm Just Showing What I Found Of Scriptures Saying About Angels Being Called A Man.
One verse that has always troubled me is ........ This seems to teach the Father and son have a different set of comamnds....... If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love John 15:10...... Can you clear this up thanks. I'm a former Trinity guy not because I studied it out but because the pastor taught it...... thanks
Hi. I don't see a contradiction or a difference between the Father's commands and Jesus's. In John's Gospel Jesus says things like "For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment--what to say and what to speak" (John 12:49); and, "Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me" (John 14:24).
Any command that Jesus gave is from the Father.
Biblical trinity teaches Jesus is creator, not creature, but a lesser rank than the Father, and Jesus is eternally pre-existent, and the Holy Spirit is a person. Nicene and Modern Catholic trinity teaches the false doctrine that Jesus was co-equal with the Father in rank. 1 Cor 15:28 clearly teaches Jesus is a lower rank than the Father both now and forever, but this Jesus is equal in nature as uncreated God. Ask your lovely submissive wife if she equal to you a human or a lesser class of being. Submission occurs between two of equal classes of being between the Father and the Son, and between you and your wife. Your explanation of the Megiddo “GOD JESUS CHRIST” inscription, therefore, misses the mark refuting a straw man.
Justin’s statement highlighted in your video is in complete agreement with trinitarian theology and is self-defeating to your overall thesis:
“another God and Lord under the Creator of all things” (Justin Dial. 56)
Your Henotheism was not taught by Justin, as he believed Jesus was distinct, but one mind with the Father. Justin was also not a modalist and he believed Jesus pre-existed his incarnation in 2 BC. In fact, Justin NEVER calls Jesus a creature, one of God’s creatures, etc. And Justin is correct in stating the Father is creator, despite any comment that Jesus was also creator in view of Jn 1:1-5 and Col 1:14-16. Justin taught that Jesus was the God of Abraham at the burning bush who spoke to him.
“‘Allow me now to show you from the words of the book of Exodus how this very Person who was at the same time Angel and God and Lord and Man, and who was seen by Abraham and Jacob, also appeared and talked to Moses from the flame of the fiery bush.’ … Then I asked, ‘My friends, do you not see that He whom Moses speaks of as an Angel who conversed with him from the fiery bush is the same who, being God, signifies to Moses that He is the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob?’” (Justin 59)
The Megiddo inscription, therefore, is devastating to Neo-Arians, who read their modern theology into specifically crafted discussions Justin framed to an opponent who denied Jesus was God, which Justin believed. Historically, Neo-Arians trace the origin of Trinity to the just before the Nicene era and was first codified in the Nicaean creed. The Megiddo inscription is an irrecoverable punch in the gut that puts this false doctrine out of its misery once and for all.
Sir; you are a heretic, not a Christian. John 20:28 My Lord and my God. Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6 . NKJV
I was just blasted for pointing out Jesus is not God on a You Tube making the rounds. They said the name "Yahweh" is a pagan name that YHWH or Jehovah is the real name? I said ok that's the first I've ever heard of that. If you pronounce YHWH it's announced Yahweh. Secondly Jehovah was not an early name, Elohim, Adonai etc were. The guy asked if I wanted to learn I just no thanks. The only thing Pagan is Constantine's Trinity. Good luck 👍🏼🙏🏼😇💯
Jehovah came into use about 500 years ago so,that’s why we call,God Jehovah Jesus Jacob etc etc so this is why we use the J in the names that was Yehovah yesuh etc etc
I know that, my point was the name Jehovah came on the scene much later. They were claiming that was a Hebrew name. 👍🏼🙏🏼😇💯
lies.
Is there any narrative or explanation in the Bible that our Creator himself reincarnated as a man outside of some random verses? What's the narrative running through the Bible, or the gospels more specifically? Was this man our Creator or the Messiah? From what I can tell, it's only one of these.
@charlestiraco8634 the set apart spirit was with Mary and Joseph when they had sex in wedlock. and they had a child named Yahusha.which would be called Emmanuel,meaning Aluah with us.that is in the only accurate scriptures interpreted it from paleo Hebrew and the original Aramaic Scripts that that Matthew and Luke wrotein their own dialects.the father's name is YAHUAH.and he is the true Mashiyha
@@jamiecarter4993 So what you just said about the set apart spirit and Mary and Joseph and sex in wedlock is something we'll read about in the Bible? Also, the Bible will explain how this makes the Messiah to actually be our Creator? I understand the name meaning of the name of the Messiah, but that is a misunderstanding as to who that says the Messiah is. Many of the OT biblical names have this same pattern. I wouldn't say you're wrong with some of the different views you have on Christianity. But, I would say you're wrong to say that the Messiah is actually the Creator reincarnated. That is not the message the Bible is giving us. I think you would benefit from watching some of the other lessons they have this channel regarding that subject.
@charlestiraco8634 YAHUAH is the creator.if u do not beieve that Yahusha is YAHUAH Mashiyha then u are denying it all.Yahuhanan(sn-John)15:1 in the Truth Scriptures interpreted from the Paleo Hebrew and Aramaic original Scripts it says,Ahyah Ashar Ahyah,meaning I Am that I AM,the living Aluah,the True Vine, and my Father is the Gardener
@charlestiraco8634 I and the father of oneif you've seen meyou have seen the father