ICF Regret! Hurricane Ida and Beach House Troubles
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- In this video I take a semi deep dive into the issues facing our home away from home on Dauphin Island Alabama mainly having to do with beach erosion and the root causes and solutions. Ultimately I would love to go back in time a few years to when we built and explore lite deck and build our properties out of icf and lite deck as they'd be pretty bulletproof to the wind and fire at least... the erosion is a concern for any structure on the beach obviously but we can always build sea walls and other mitigation if the core of engineers doesn't fix their bad practices soon!
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0:47 "And I titled this video 'ICF Regret' simply because this picture's kinda famous after Hurricane Michael, Mexico Beach, there was this one house left standing, and it was actually a Nudura built house, and when I built our houses in '15 and '16, I was doing a lot of ICF work, but not a lot of LiteDeck work, and hadn't really wrapped my head around what's possible. And just to show you how bad it can get, this picture here is an oil rig..."
Wait, what??!
What's your point? Did you use ICF and regret it? Why? What happened? Or did you 'NOT' use ICF and regret it? Why? What happened? You immediately go into a tangent about an oil rig, which has nothing to do with ICF, and then you move on to something else.
I don't care how you try to spin your justification for using the title 'ICF Regret' to other people who pointed out the same; in the entire 13 minute and 42 second video, there's not a single word explaining what, exactly, you regret about ICF. This video and your narrative have absolutely nothing at all to do with ICF.
The people who come to see this video want to know what you regret about ICF. Other than the lone-standing house on Mexico Beach after Hurricane Michael, you mention nothing about ICF. Seriously, change your title, or own the fact you used the title as click bait.
Na
I kept skipping forward wondering myself, "when are we going to talk about ICF?"
thanks. saved me from watching the video.
Thank you, I got 3:30 seconds in and went to check the comments or description for any related information and found none. Thank you for saving me some time by not watching the video.
all good points. i also hate clickbait, which is what the title is. 👎👎👎
When I was a kid I loved building sand castles at low tide and see how long it took for the incoming tide to erase my work. The ocean always won.
Thanks douche
I think the title is very confusing. It's certainly not what the video is about. I built a home out of Nudura and would never build any other way.
Probably fair, the point was we deal with tons of uncontrollable factors in Dauphin, and I regret not using icf and lite deck as it would have at least taken away wind concerns and further protected against flood and fire…
I agree it’s a little confusing..however after seeing how the core of engineers does things on the coast..I understand the “regret”factor.. not choosing an ICF roof AND walls whether Nudera or Build Block , lite deck or whatever.. I would definitely be concerned with weight on shifting coastlines though…if you go the ICF route … on a shifting waterlogged sand foundation … the weight of any ICF building would definitely need to be engineered for the 100 year event..likely super deep pylons …where I live im on bedrock so ICFs are a no brainer… not sure if would do them as a beach house though…given the unpredictable nature of the ocean to shift your foundation around..ICF construction places a LOT of weight on the substrate you are building on ..and water from an ocean has more than enough power to displace that weight…food for thought..
@@SumFugaziSalt I calculated that the concrete structure of my house was 600,000 lbs. so your points are well taken.
So what did I miss?? Thought there was going to be some ICF regret in here...
The point is in there but it did get obscured in editing…. The regret was not building them out of icf and lite deck! We are planning two elevated pools on these houses right now out of icf
The only regret is not using more ICFs!
I don't get building so close to the big water. The water's going to always win. Oh, too many people per square mile also.
There’s only two high density condos on Dauphin, it’s not abnormal to walk a mile on the beach and run into no one…
Safe upon the solid rock the ugly houses stand:
Come and see my shining palace built upon the sand!
People do come see…. And they pay really well to do so, and they make memories with loved ones, and pump money into the local economy, and pay lots and lots of lodging taxes so you’re probably pretty happy bout that at least lol
Your right about the Nudura house at 1:00 being infamous. I used to work for a ICF distributor in the UK back in the 2000's and we used that image back then in promotional videos to show how strong ICF was.
It's not so much a Nudura issue as a insufficient earthwork issue.
Trying to coffer under a concrete slab on a beach will ALWAYS FAIL.
Nothing about why you regret a icf house besides it being on a beach and problems thats causes. Sucks what the hurricane did but nothing relayed to the house being icf
Pretty clearly regret my houses not being icf, I talk about that while showing the pic of the famous nudura house from Mexico beach…. 6 years ago I was using nudura a lot but hadn’t gotten into lite deck yet to see the world of possibilities, and, I regret that…. Thus the title…
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 I felt the same as Hailer, perhaps a little clearer title. Regret not using icf. I found your discussion interesting but was a ;little peeved thinking I was duped into wasting my time based on the Title. Thanks for this clarification, I never heard you mention the regret, perhaps I was distracted for a moment?
Okay I misunderstood i heard you talking about using the nudura blocks and thought thats what you had used s
No, there are a million variables you have to consider when building on a shifting beach. Icf takes complete care of the wind consideration and does a great deal to deal with the water and fire as well…. There are actually all concrete houses (1 or 2) from the 60’s on the island that have survived while most wood structures from that era have gone…. I didn’t make the thumbnail and it might seem misleading, I’m shooting a small icf and lite deck pour tomorrow and I’ll try to elaborate on why I wish I had had my head in the full concrete construction game before we built down there…. Should be my next video barring a disaster tomorrow😜🤞🏼
"Pretty clearly regret my houses not being icf..."
Actually there's nothing clear at all about it. All you said was that you were doing a lot of ICF work but not LiteDeck work. So it sounded as though you used ICF, but didn't elaborate at all on what your specific regret was. What, that you didn't do any LiteDeck work? That doesn't mean you regret ICF; it just means you regret not using LiteDeck in your build. There's a big difference.
"... I talk about that while showing the pic of the famous nudura house from Mexico beach…"
That's the thing - you didn't talk about it. You just said you hadn't wrapped your head around the possibilities and then mentioned an oil rig before completely switching gears and moving on to other subjects unrelated to ICF.
Great video, when you do your icf pools do you put any kind of waterproofing on the outside of the wall or is the mono pour waterproofing enough? Thank you
I missed the ICF work somehow. Where is it?
It doesn't exist.
@@jennifer9528 lol, don't you love click bait?
Good job discussing a complex issue.
We love Dauphin Island - I stumbled on to it for a Christmas Vacation surprise for the wife 2 years after Katrina.
Now we go as a 3 generation Family Group vacation the first part of May. We also live in Missouri / South of Springfield, MO
When we were on that beach last September, I was wonder what the deal with that pier was. It was so far from the water it was crazy looking! Thanks for your videos, we are getting ready to rebuild after a house fire, looks like ICF is the way to go for us here in MidMo.
It's definitely a morass. ... Ahhh, the engineering conundrum, how to solve one problem without unknowingly creating manifold more. ... I'm pleased to see that you're removing both hazardous and derelict pilings and rebar! That's proof of high integrity!
I have lots of thoughts about solutions but I’m just a dummy who builds stuff lol, wouldn’t expect local Alabama politicians to listen to me…. I tried to volunteer to help out with sAbd island lighthouse…. Crickets…
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 Politicians don't build. They just sign papers, take their government paychecks, and do perpetual lip services.
That's very interesting, the changes over time, hopefully they get it right and maintain the island.
Hi there! I really enjoyed watching your videos. I was wondering if you have ever chosen metal siding to do on your ICF houses? Looking for a good DIY/informational video on the process.
Metal siding, or most any exterior cladding work great with ICF, especially synthetic stucco. Because the ties for attachment are vertical, narrow vertical siding can be a challenge.
One of my fondest memories was from back in the 80s when my friend Harry (RIP) and I fished overnight on that pier. Not much action during the night but at about 2 or 3 in the morning a school of speckled trout came past right under the lights of the pier. I was using a speck rig with the two artificial baits with a hook each. I was pulling out specks two at a time for a little bit. It was hard to set both hooks so some dropped off. I'll never forget that.
Nice
Vary interesting. Thanks!
Wow this was so interesting. Incredible how mother nature works her way Wether we want it or not.
Very cool and interesting video. Absolutely love Dauphin Island! My wife and I bought a beach house on St Andrews Ct. this past spring. Would be cool to cross paths with you out there some time.
Ours are the two two stories on the west side of Sam Houston, I’ll be there with my fam 10-16 thru 10-22:)
If you put 4x4 post down about 6-8 ft & leave just enough sticking up, so they stay like 2 inches below the top of the concrete driveway, & then drill a horizontal hole in the top of them so the rebar can go through & tie them in with the rest of tge rebar & concrete pour. The post can be like 6-8 ft apart, or less depending on the size of the pour. It's also a good idea to put like a half of bag of quickcrete/concrete on the bottom of each hole you drill for them, once the pole is leveled & in the hole. This way they can never be pulled up. I've even seen people drill 2 horizontal holes about 3 inches from the bottom the 4x4 going North to south, the second hole is drilled 3 inches above the first hole going east to west. Then you put a 3 foot piece of rebar in each 4x4 post. This makes a cross shape. When you pour the concrete at the bottom of each hole, it creates an anchor effect, along with the suction of the mud below the sand, the concrete driveway will never float up or move again.
Man, the guy having the trouble in this vid literally built the Atlanta falcons stadium, he knows what time it is…. It was engineered far more than the method u are referring, they restrict certain things we would otherwise do to mitigate so ultimately we just use crushed concrete to make a hard pan drive…
Great Video I have been to Dauphin in 40 years now I have the itch to go. I am a part owner in a small ICF company ended up finding you just looking at ICF stufff on TH-cam
Very informative!
Thanks
I didn’t really hear any regrets to the icf building system
Am I wrong
The point was lost in editing a little bit but I do briefly make the point that I regret no using icf and lite deck instead of wood
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 thank you for clarifying (the only regret is not using icf)
I really enjoy watching your videos keep it up please
Click bait. Misleading title. I think you would have received more positive feedback if you were not trying to be clever with the title. I did enjoy what you had to say though.
In California you have multiple setback rules from natural water bodies starting at 150" feet from the water source, it's common sense though
I’m shocked California has multiple rules lol…. In missouri we have setback requirements set by the Corp of engineers, in Dauphin the proximity to the water is caused by the Corp or engineers🤷🏻♂️
@@cuttingedgehomes9251you can say what you want about California but they're the safest homes in the country compared to what we get away with in other states. Don't get me wrong, I love not having to pull permits but they'll be the last homes standing if you know what hits the fan
I live in the area, flown over Dauphin Island many times. Only a FOOL would build on that sand bar. No compassion what so ever for a fool that builds on the sand.
Cool👍🏼
Can you use helix as a rebar replacement?
Pardon my ask, but what is helix?
Why anyone would build in that area is beside me. It's a disaster waiting to happen. I don't know how much home insurance costs there but I gotta believe it's ridiculous.
It’s not cheap, but like most investments it’s a risk reward calc…. Factoring in the lifestyle and memories made(our houses each have over 500 visitors a year) it’s an easy decision…. Assuming the government continues to rectify their poor dredging practices in the bay, this vid was really just pointing out that people(including myself) should do all they can to build robust generational quality homes instead of traditional stick framed! But thank you for the positive post;)
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 I'm sure it makes economical sense to do it but with climate change and rising sea levels you would have to factor in the continuous rebuild costs to the overall equation.
This video seems more like building on the beach regret more than building with ICF. ICF had nothing to do with anything you talked about in the video, so why mention it?
I mentioned pretty clearly I regret not building these with icf…. And I don’t regret building on the beach at all…. They cash flow great and doubled in value in the past 5 years! We builtvv by them as fortified as you can with wood, icf would have further bulletproofed them….
Great video. Thanks. I am a Dauphin Island (East end) resident. I hold a degree in Geology. You should read about the geological process of Long Shore Drift. That process is moving sand toward the Mississippi River. Many people's plans have been thwarted by LSD. A very powerful and difficult contain force. I think your depiction of the Ship Channel is wrong. It is much closer to Ft. Morgan than Dauphin Island. Indeed, the Army Corp of Engineers has proven to be a very short sighted organization. Just as the folks of my home city, New Orleans.
I thought I was watching a video about ICF, and the regrets owners have, especially those with ICF houses on the Beach. NO This was about Dauphin Island, mostly, although he did show a post Hurricane Michael picture of the famous ICF House on Mexico Beach, Florida. Could you do a better job titling your video?
I don’t get what the regret part is?
Not building icf…. It’s mentioned but the point got diluted in editing
So nice of you to use your Bobcat to remove those hazardous pylons
What's the going framing prices for a house built in this way ? With the pillings as such .
Literally all over the board, these were 5-6 years ago respectively and it was 10-15/ft, now easily over 20…
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 20 $ a square ft just to frame the house ? Or frame and set piles ? . Has to be both .I'm in O H . I framed a similar house in ocean springs in roughly 2008 . Numerous in Gulfport and Bay saint Louis . I'll be heading to the area soon to visit friends and family .
I framed my first one in 2008 down as well…. Thought I was hitting a lick at $6/ft plus fuel both ways…. Found out he’d had bids over 15 back then, and that’s just framing…. There’s more to framing in a hurricane zone if you are going for fortified certs but it’s still crazy high…. Pilings are like 150-200 to buy and 150-200 a piece to jet in…
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 right I know what your saying with all the hold down straps . I think I want to through 3 positive placement guns . Then the corner holds downs . What got me the first time was the nail depth in the sheating . No more then a sixteenth penetration with no clipped head nails
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 ya that's a beautiful area where you built . The whole coast is great and the people are even better
I look at houses sitting on a beach where dunes should be. It is ridiculous.
Na, we good;)
So what’s the ICF regret
Not building mine like the one in Mexico beach, I say it, but the point of this whole vid got a little lost in the editing…
Never buy a home on the ocean. Buy a home on the lake... Lake house values are sky rocketing
They are on the ocean as well…. Built them in 2015/16 and they’ve more than tripled in appraised value🤷🏻♂️
Sounds more like a foundation regret than that of ICF?
Ya I say it pretty clearly in the vid I regret not building icf, foundation would have been identical however…
Again, you don't say it clearly. Go back and listen very carefully to your own words. All you said was that you did a lot of ICF work, but not LiteDeck work, and you hadn't wrapped your head around the possibilities. The title 'ICF Regret' implies you have regrets about using ICF, not that you regret NOT using it. But your video doesn't even make clear that you didn't use it, only that you didn't do a lot of LiteDeck work. 🙄
Dude, where is the ICF content?
No bulkhead around the perimeter of the foundation, no reason it shouldn't happen, 5 foot down in the very least on beach front property, wash out is totally preventable, that guy was stupid.
Interesting that the land has grown and the pier is farther from the water than in the past. I thought islands were sinking due to climate change and sea level rise?
Not sinking, eroding, and not directly climate change, terrible dredging practices by the core of engineers in the ship channel…. For eternity the sands washing out of the rivers feeding into the bay have washed up building the island and feeding all the barriers westward…. 60 years ago they started taking the sand dredged from the ship channel and dumping out deep enough to never wash back into the island…. They are supposedly doing it differently now but 60 years of sand loss is hard to erase…. As to the fact that near the pier there’s way more sand, Greg Speis, the late surveyor on the island once showed me some maps from hundreds of years ago and it seems to indicate that pelican peninsula/island collapses in on itself over 100-200 year cycle and that feeds that portion of the beach but over time it likely works it’s way west…. Wen I started coming down for work in 2008, the tip of the pier was still in the water and you had to wade out to pelican…. Now it’s not close…
"groins"
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So what is your regret or is just a poorly tilted video!
Poorly edited maybe, but I do say I regret not building icf like the famous Mexico beach house I showed in the vid, the point got diluted in editing but it’s still in their
Crazy that the municipality won't allow reinforcement in concrete. Foolish, but government often doesn't make sense.
It’s just surface concrete, unless the address the damage their own dredging practices cause by way of erosion surface paving gets undercut and destroyed rebar or not, so they prefer cleaning up without it…. That said my pools that are elevated on Pilings are totally fine to have tons of rebar
ICF?
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I would not live there
Misleading title.
I’ve heard that, I’m a builder first and an editor a distant second, the intent of this vid was that I regret not using icf on our properties, it’s mentioned but not featured as a theme the way it came out in editing…. Can’t hit a home run every time🤷🏻♂️
I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure in a natural disaster, tax payers foot the bill on rebuilding those homes.
Which is one reason rich people buy/build on the coast.
You are in fact, wrong
Very poor title. Don't know what that's all about. Totally agree about the politics and the rest of the video. Nice video shots.
We regret not building with icf, it’s mentioned albeit briefly, lot of the intent of this vid was lost in editing…. We are prepping to build two first of their kind icf pools on Pilings down there this winter!
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 Sweet! We are going to build ICF in Portugal. It's been 5 years in the planning and design, no help from COVID. Good luck and awesome channel.
This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him and saved him out of all his troubles. The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and delivers them.
- Psalm 34:6-7
I dunno, maybe quit building on the damn beach.
Why, we have the technology to combat the issues we face, Galveston fixed similar problems a hundred years ago, most of us are willing to eat the costs of improving our own property, we just want the govt to stop admitted destructive practices that cause harm…. Meanwhile our houses provide tons of tourism, tax revenue, joy to all the families who visit each year….
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 Are you going to make an insurance claim due to the storm damage?
Our insurance only pays for erosion directly under our houses and loss of one set of stairs…. Ours survived so no insurance claim this time…
@@cuttingedgehomes9251It’s always the “gubbamint’s” fault with these hillbillies… 🤣👉🏾🤡
Despite the rationalization ... the unrelated thumbnail photo /and/ clickbait title -- show a new direction with your videos -- one that's very disappointing.
It’s more of an editing thing, when shooting all this stuff I hate repeating myself over and over…. So when I made the point early in the vid that my big regret is not building icf in this zone it was my intent to make that the over arching theme, the video came together kind of funky and the clips that kept mentioning that fact weren’t fitting ect…. Wasn’t intended as click bait, more the thumbnail and idea came first, vid turned out to be a harder point to make without going long…
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 - It's terribly unfortunate that you innocently wound-up with a clickbait title entirely on accident. Perhaps if the thumbnail and title don't fit the context, it would be better to rename them. Most of your older videos are straight, to the point, and directly related to the title. There is a bit of a trend emerging; however, with thumbnails, etc. Perhaps if you're after a viral Kardashian crowd, that's a good idea -- ultimately I don't know that what you're doing is going to win-over the ICF crowd. Best of luck to you.
@@InspiredScienceI wouldn’t piss on this guy if his teeth were on fire… Just another MA AGt.
So....what your saying is that you regret not building an ICF house?! That's one confusing clickbait title there, wasting a ton of people's time, I still didn't even know what you were saying with your explanation either.
Cool…. I’m a builder who makes videos, not the other way around…. This vid was over 2 years ago and the real point got muddied in editing for sure, let me know where I can watch all your vids so I can sit in the back and take pot shots👍🏼
I think Mother Nature is telling you not to build on a beach. Maybe you guys should listen...
No the governments bad dredging practices have created unnatural erosion and they won’t allow home owners to abate or repair it….
FATHER GOD ALMIGHTY WISE me to LIVER piles ALL the way to the top works best without cutting one short of entire BUILDING height . Y B IT TIPPING TILT THE OTHER SAYETH B IT SAND TANK BENEATH STRUCTURE BEARING FULL FOOTPRINT BUILDING 12 feet or more REVELATIONS 4x term ELDERing term mean helding position . SAYETH THOU FATHER ALMIGHTY GOD IT USE
What an awful building site.
Thanks!
@@cuttingedgehomes9251🤣👉🏾🤡
"we do it sustainably" but look at my house build ON the beach. Finish putting on your clown makeup.
Lol some things are built to last, which I love to advocate for, and some things are investments, which these are and have been VERY successful…. The only issues with our ability to built sustainable in the beach down there is the core of engineers ridiculous dredging practices causing 6 decades of erosion, the island itself and the property owners are pretty motivated to conserve…. It does finally look like the core may rectify their mistakes, but like most bloated govt agencies it only took 60 years