Mauga v.s. Hog is the hardest counter I've ever seen. Mauga shits on hog in 1v1, and you can't even run cause he has more mobility. And your main skill hook is basically suicide if you hook him, not to mention his rush counters all of your cc abilities. I know there are counters in ow, but counter till basically unplayable is just not right.
@@NobleRenegade7 They have different purpose, rein can block her spear, provide a shield to your team, and Orisa has her kit mostly for solo survivability. While hog and mauga have simuliar purpose, offense and looking for kills.
@@doomfishmain5154 I've never heard of hog been a problem aside from 1 shotting 200 hp target. btw orisa is already a good counter to hog cuz her gold and spin, and spear to stun his breather and when he hooked your teammates.
@doomfishmain5154 Outside of Orisa there's Zarya, who can block anyone who gets hooked with her bubble (and you usually get a ton of charge from it). D.va can use her DM the same way and her mobility allows her to navigate around him easily and control his ground. Those are usually the two I'd go with against Hog.
@@BasicSneedEducation Anti nade shouldn't even be that oppressive in the first place. The only reason it is is because we've gotten used to being able to face tank anything with the healing output of supports. We basically had a loop of 1) Nothing is dying, boost damage. 2) Dying too fast, boost healing. Over and over and now healing is a necessity for the game to function, so taking that away becomes op.
@@omarasfari4974she is the highest pick rate in the game because she has the one of the best healing and damage output out of the healers ( of course there is a high skill ceiling for that which is good ) however her nade and sleep is probably the best abilities in the game, takes little to no skill, and can’t be fixed by just making the cooldown longer ( as we’ve seen with the recent nerf ) she makes playing some tanks miserable as everytime they go to start a fight they just get antied or slept and just die or have to wait for it to wear off & get heals and by then she already has like a 3 second cooldown so she’ll have it for next fight. I’m all for keeping nade changing some properties. But remove sleep, there’s no reason for a support player to have an ability like that
Maybe Mauga (and to some extent turret form Bastion) should need to rev up his guns for like a second before they start shooting so that he isn't instantly dealing damage.
I reckon reducing the ammo count, making the ammo consumption double when both turret are firing, and maybe if that isn’t enough play around with how much the fire DOT does or if his survivability is too much then increase how much damage his crit spot takes or maybe add a crit spot on his back etc.
I feel like that's an issue because with people constantly peeking/flanking you have to monitor your ammo already. If you did at it people would need more ammo or an extra button just fir revving to prevent him getting basically getting pincered and dropped.
@@ChefONator5000 No I mean double it again. Logically it wouldn’t make any sense at all LOL, but 4 ammo going out your mag would feel a lot more than just the usual 2 it is currently. I’ve been watching and playing a lot of Borderlands 2 and guns in that game often have gimmicks when you do certain things (e.g aim down sight or shoot an enemy or bullets hit the floor etc). Hence why I’m thinking along the lines of when both guns fire, their ammo consumption sky rockets to stop the ridiculous spray and pray gameplay it currently is. I suppose a better way would be making it so when he shoots, two bullets come out of his gun, but they do half the damage of what they are now, so in effect there is no change to damage as it cancels out. Yet since 2 bullets are now coming out of his gun (4 in total if both are firing), you deplete your mag twice as fast. He still keeps his large mag size but reloads way more. They would probably rather just decrease his mag size if they were to do anything though, just cut it in half and the same dps works out. Would make his unlimited ammo from his ult more imperative though.
@@markangelogarcia2584it’s harder than it looks hogs ult pushes him around in the ult like a marry go round so it’s hard lazering in especially with all the chaos in those traps
@@XhristianGaminXthat’s false I’ve posted a vid in the discord fully tanking a whole hog with cardiac and barely slipped below half health when he tried to whole hog me in my ult
its a small thing but I hate that you can't hook Mauga out of his charge. you can hook rein out of his charge, Doomfist out of his punch but not Mauga? seems inconsistent for the game.
Maug shouldn’t have armor. His spread should be bigger when firing both guns. Maybe his damage should go back to 4.5 a shot (maybe even 4) I’m ok with him having crazy self heals and sustain, but not with how he utterly deletes tanks. (And maybe we should let Rein/Doom/Bob/Brig counterpin him)
Rein needs a rework pinning isn’t the main issue with Rein’s underwhelming performance as a tank in this meta, he was already meh before Mauga came out and this just sounds like reverting to Beta Mauga which was really underwhelming and didn’t have a strong presence in team fights if you wanna hit anything the shot damage is fine but I think the armor is fine at like 100 to 125
Mauga needed armor as he lacked general tankiness. His spread when firing both guns is fine. Damage nerf I'm okay with. Rein/Doom/Bob/Brig should never in a million years be able to counterpin Mauga as it goes against the whole characterization and idea of his charge being unstoppable.
You also have to keep in mind mauga has armor compared to hog to compensate the fact he can’t pull out breather with the damage reduction on demand like Hog can he has to abide by a full cooldown commitment
Keep the damage and armor, increase the overhealth on crit to 60% at least and up the total overhealth to 200, reduce cardiac to 60% lifesteal and increase its radius, remove the hinder in cage fight, and lower the firerate when shooting both guns to 75%.
Everyone who says Mauga is op.. Sure he's very strong, but he's not invincible, you just don't know how to deal with him. All you have to do is take a sigma and an ana and you literally no longer live
He's OP because your "all you have to do" scenario is forced on you or you can't win without mirroring. In addition, even if they are playing Ana, if your supports pick any of Bap, Kiriko, or Lifeweaver (or a two of these three) then you can still out play the Mauga "counter" Ana. Mauga paired with Baptiste and Lifeweaver will absolutely shred through a Sig shield and you have Pull/Lamp to play around the Nade.
The problem with Mauga is he has insane midrange and close range damage, and just absolute sustain up close. So unless he gets Anti-naded he’s not dying. A good starting point would be to reduce his ammo capacity down to 250-300, and increase his reload to like 5-8 seconds. And while that may seem long, it would be a good way to add some counterplay for other tanks.
They should make away with the idea of thr autocrits on fire and just make one gun be for better damage on squishies and the other be for his overhealth but with lower damage. The whole thing about forcing crits while on fire is why playing tanks into him is so miserable.
You know what is worse than losing ult charge space. Everytime he picked up a health pack he gets right back into the fight to not have his entire team get collapsed in by the enemy tank and dps.
as a mauga main imo a hog is a 50/50 counter really depends on the support. if you have a good kiriko that can get rid of the anti then you would be able to out heal the machine guns and stun him with the hook. i always see hogs trap me and it always buts me in a corner and away from my team. in summary hog vs mauga in 1v1 then mauga wins but in a general round then the hog has a better advantage.
@@legatusleo5116 main implies experience, even if non stop from my perspective it doesn’t really hold up. But definitions are different from everyone, I just think it’s new toy syndrome coupled with over-tuned fun
Well before manga there wasn’t really what you could call a bar hard counter for ball. There was never any one character that didn’t offer counter play options. Old sombra was kinda like that until you learned to play against her and then huess what? Ball is a soft counter to sombra. The main for ball is the stupidly huuuuuuge maps. Push, domination etc. ball team takes so damn long to cross the map so on those maps you literally fighting against patience.take away the ability for every hero in the game to body block him and it’s a step in the right direction
They don't need to nerf him. They just need to make the other tanks stronger. That's it. Make tanks a massive threat in a fight. Mauga is fun as hell because he's exactly what you get when you give players two mini guns as a tank. So make the others tanks strong. Rein should be doing way more damage with his hammer. Orisas gun could be stronger and maybe a slower rate of fire could be there to compensate. Hogs pellets have less of a spread. Just stuff that makes all the tanks stronger in their expertise. Mauga is carrying two machine guns that are fairly accurate, of course people are gonna be frustrated when the tank player happens to know how to aim.
Nerfs are 10x beter than buffs in this stage of the game bro. Power creeping is what leads to people either geing lasered or nothing dying at all. For the nature of oerwatch they should nerf healing and damage, but not cooldowns
@@dmfwaaron7015 I disagree. Cooldowns should absolutely be increased. That and reload times, too. This will allow for heroes to have more down time and windows of opportunity where they're much more vulnerable or unable to heal (in the case of supports).
@@Polymath2B well I’m not being too serious tbh was just messing around it all does kinda devolve into Ana/Zen or Ana/Kiri tbh I also find Mei a decent dps option since she can toss her ult into his ult to counter it in some way but he is fairly new so I can’t say this full certainty
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Mauga v.s. Hog is the hardest counter I've ever seen. Mauga shits on hog in 1v1, and you can't even run cause he has more mobility. And your main skill hook is basically suicide if you hook him, not to mention his rush counters all of your cc abilities. I know there are counters in ow, but counter till basically unplayable is just not right.
Nah Orisa vs Rein is MUCH more one sided than Mauga vs. Hog.
@@NobleRenegade7 They have different purpose, rein can block her spear, provide a shield to your team, and Orisa has her kit mostly for solo survivability. While hog and mauga have simuliar purpose, offense and looking for kills.
Kinda happy because a tank main there isn’t much counters to hog other than mirroring.
If you have any other counters I’d be happy to try it.
@@doomfishmain5154 I've never heard of hog been a problem aside from 1 shotting 200 hp target. btw orisa is already a good counter to hog cuz her gold and spin, and spear to stun his breather and when he hooked your teammates.
@doomfishmain5154 Outside of Orisa there's Zarya, who can block anyone who gets hooked with her bubble (and you usually get a ton of charge from it). D.va can use her DM the same way and her mobility allows her to navigate around him easily and control his ground. Those are usually the two I'd go with against Hog.
Your junkrat was going absolutely nuts. Dude is good.
I still don't get why people think Orisa counters Mauga. Mauga is arguably just as good as Zarya as an Orisa counter.
nobody thinks that
@@phantomhiphopnah, I've seen people say she's decent pick because of fortified. But I've seen orisas get shreeded through fortified lol.
@@katser5023 maybe when mauga gets nerfed she'll be a decent pick but I assume zarya and hog etc will too🤷♂️
@@katser5023Mauga still Crits Orisa through Fortify
@@katser5023They don't know orisa can be crit shot by mauga in fortify then
Competitive is gonna be ruined in a week once maugas playable
As a junkrat and reinhardt player, it's gonna be the most fun i've had in a while...
I’ve literally been playing ranked just to avoid him 😂
I feel like the catalyst in all these matchups in simply: ana
Ana is a fair and balanced hero. She has the highest pick rate in the game simply because she is -- *checks notes* -- fun and engaging
Anti nade has become the most oppressive ability in 5v5
@@BasicSneedEducation Anti nade shouldn't even be that oppressive in the first place.
The only reason it is is because we've gotten used to being able to face tank anything with the healing output of supports.
We basically had a loop of
1) Nothing is dying, boost damage.
2) Dying too fast, boost healing.
Over and over and now healing is a necessity for the game to function, so taking that away becomes op.
@@omarasfari4974”ana is a fair and balanced hero" lol ok buddy
@@omarasfari4974she is the highest pick rate in the game because she has the one of the best healing and damage output out of the healers ( of course there is a high skill ceiling for that which is good ) however her nade and sleep is probably the best abilities in the game, takes little to no skill, and can’t be fixed by just making the cooldown longer ( as we’ve seen with the recent nerf ) she makes playing some tanks miserable as everytime they go to start a fight they just get antied or slept and just die or have to wait for it to wear off & get heals and by then she already has like a 3 second cooldown so she’ll have it for next fight. I’m all for keeping nade changing some properties. But remove sleep, there’s no reason for a support player to have an ability like that
Maybe Mauga (and to some extent turret form Bastion) should need to rev up his guns for like a second before they start shooting so that he isn't instantly dealing damage.
he does but i get what ur saying
I reckon reducing the ammo count, making the ammo consumption double when both turret are firing, and maybe if that isn’t enough play around with how much the fire DOT does or if his survivability is too much then increase how much damage his crit spot takes or maybe add a crit spot on his back etc.
@@VenomOnPC The ammo consumption is already double when both guns are firing.
I feel like that's an issue because with people constantly peeking/flanking you have to monitor your ammo already. If you did at it people would need more ammo or an extra button just fir revving to prevent him getting basically getting pincered and dropped.
@@ChefONator5000 No I mean double it again. Logically it wouldn’t make any sense at all LOL, but 4 ammo going out your mag would feel a lot more than just the usual 2 it is currently.
I’ve been watching and playing a lot of Borderlands 2 and guns in that game often have gimmicks when you do certain things (e.g aim down sight or shoot an enemy or bullets hit the floor etc). Hence why I’m thinking along the lines of when both guns fire, their ammo consumption sky rockets to stop the ridiculous spray and pray gameplay it currently is.
I suppose a better way would be making it so when he shoots, two bullets come out of his gun, but they do half the damage of what they are now, so in effect there is no change to damage as it cancels out. Yet since 2 bullets are now coming out of his gun (4 in total if both are firing), you deplete your mag twice as fast. He still keeps his large mag size but reloads way more. They would probably rather just decrease his mag size if they were to do anything though, just cut it in half and the same dps works out. Would make his unlimited ammo from his ult more imperative though.
He needs the heavy treatment. Make his guns take like a full second to reach maximum fire rate and damage
All I see is the heavy assault from archives black watch.
It's criminal how bad they've made rein in this game now.
Na fr tho
NOTHING DIES FOR A MINUTE STRAIGHT, NOTHING
1:23 that fight lasted ages lol, reminds me of the old ramattra 1v1 during ult
As a RoadHog Diamond i swear magua is my worst night mare
Mauga vs Mauga is the most boring thing ever. Just two guys shooting at each other🥱
the fight at like 1:36 is hysterical
2:34 “This ends now!” Gets blown up immediately by Junkrat. “Dipstick,” the lunatic replies.
He seems extremely boring to play, just stands there and press fire
"Little high MMR" said Cyx about top 30 lobby 😅
That junkrat is cracked
“WAAAAH HOG FEELS SO BAD VS MAUGA” meanwhile every other tank is having an even harder time
nop zar jq doomfist are quite good
Doom? Nah u gotta be trolling
2:37 lmfao
I LAUGH AT THESE VIDEOS MAN THIS SHIT IS SO REAL ITS FUNNY AS HELL
Mauga makes me want to uninstall the game. Such a boring thing to play and play against, even Bastion is more fun.
What graphic settings does he play on? He gets a lot of frames
And that's what we call a tank diff, ladies and gentlemen. :)
Wow.. stimulating gameplay, what a fun tank Mauga is. What a sad state this game has become.
1:37 overwatch in a nutshell
that last game holy cyx
Why in the world did Cyx turn around away from Mauga and just ult the cage barrier? LOL Probably could have killed Mauga there what was he thinking? 🤣
yeah full hp on both mauga and hog
if mauga ulted hog even with cardiac ability hog ult will kill mauga
ult then hook proceeds with ult
@@markangelogarcia2584it’s harder than it looks hogs ult pushes him around in the ult like a marry go round so it’s hard lazering in especially with all the chaos in those traps
@@XhristianGaminXthat’s false I’ve posted a vid in the discord fully tanking a whole hog with cardiac and barely slipped below half health when he tried to whole hog me in my ult
Sadly maui needs loads of tweaking
you should try the roadhog ult speed launch glitch
its a small thing but I hate that you can't hook Mauga out of his charge. you can hook rein out of his charge, Doomfist out of his punch but not Mauga? seems inconsistent for the game.
What headphones do you use?
Maug shouldn’t have armor.
His spread should be bigger when firing both guns.
Maybe his damage should go back to 4.5 a shot (maybe even 4)
I’m ok with him having crazy self heals and sustain, but not with how he utterly deletes tanks.
(And maybe we should let Rein/Doom/Bob/Brig counterpin him)
Exactly a very moderate nerf could let so many tanks become viable that would have just gotten melted before
Rein needs a rework pinning isn’t the main issue with Rein’s underwhelming performance as a tank in this meta, he was already meh before Mauga came out and this just sounds like reverting to Beta Mauga which was really underwhelming and didn’t have a strong presence in team fights if you wanna hit anything the shot damage is fine but I think the armor is fine at like 100 to 125
Mauga needed armor as he lacked general tankiness. His spread when firing both guns is fine. Damage nerf I'm okay with. Rein/Doom/Bob/Brig should never in a million years be able to counterpin Mauga as it goes against the whole characterization and idea of his charge being unstoppable.
You also have to keep in mind mauga has armor compared to hog to compensate the fact he can’t pull out breather with the damage reduction on demand like Hog can he has to abide by a full cooldown commitment
Keep the damage and armor, increase the overhealth on crit to 60% at least and up the total overhealth to 200, reduce cardiac to 60% lifesteal and increase its radius, remove the hinder in cage fight, and lower the firerate when shooting both guns to 75%.
Mauga vs mauga might be more boring than the Orisa mirror
At this point they could even give his one shot back, since they made this mauga character so stupid already
In that last game did we miss a round?
No well for the second game?
At about 8:00 "Oh right. Can't do that." What is the tech here that I'm missing?
Hooking the mauga while he does the runy jumpy ability thing yk
ThIs eNdS... UGHHHHH
You shred Mauga in his ult cause he can’t go anywhere 😂
I personally think they should just remove him. He was a fun concept, but he threatens to break the game, just scrap him dawg
definition of skill issue fr
the only heroes that’s somewhat unhealthy to the game is widow and maybe lw and ana
@@wasabebo8334 lw😭 oh no please don't pull me and slightly inconvenience me
He's a doable threat so long as they nerf his ult. His ult does too many things at once.
Or add 6v6 and let hog and doom fist ball out on support players
6:09 why not step back there and when he peaks hook him off the edge
@1:20 remember when Ram launched?
OMG Cyx on Dva!!! 😍😍😍
Rember when they nerfed ram because of super long brawls
I think the best thing to do agaisnt mauga would be playing small fast dive heroes and ignore him if possible, doom seems to be good pick i think
Good luck ignoring him lmao
Hook at 11:17 should have connected nice 👍
Everyone who says Mauga is op.. Sure he's very strong, but he's not invincible, you just don't know how to deal with him. All you have to do is take a sigma and an ana and you literally no longer live
He's OP because your "all you have to do" scenario is forced on you or you can't win without mirroring. In addition, even if they are playing Ana, if your supports pick any of Bap, Kiriko, or Lifeweaver (or a two of these three) then you can still out play the Mauga "counter" Ana. Mauga paired with Baptiste and Lifeweaver will absolutely shred through a Sig shield and you have Pull/Lamp to play around the Nade.
and even if you do that kiri bap and weaver exists
they released Mauga like this in comp already? Blizzard is on some shit
He's is not playable in comp right now, no new character is playable in comp until after 2 weeks
@@kaijukorner5302 ok I thought so only because cyx already had the golden guns for him lol (forgot comp points carried over)
The problem with Mauga is he has insane midrange and close range damage, and just absolute sustain up close. So unless he gets Anti-naded he’s not dying. A good starting point would be to reduce his ammo capacity down to 250-300, and increase his reload to like 5-8 seconds. And while that may seem long, it would be a good way to add some counterplay for other tanks.
1:20 Ram on release
They should make away with the idea of thr autocrits on fire and just make one gun be for better damage on squishies and the other be for his overhealth but with lower damage.
The whole thing about forcing crits while on fire is why playing tanks into him is so miserable.
Im glad mauga exists so hog is no longer playable
Overtune hero thats Mauga is
he melts hog faster than a MAX charge zarya LMAO
the bulk of mauga gameplay is such a snoozefest.
It’ll be fun playing against him (No tf it won’t)
Kinda crazy it seems mauga can out damage wholehog, i tried putting him in a corner with it pointblank and he did so much more damage
There's no way. Mauga does 390 dps. Whole Hog does 896.
@crownysuccubus1524 idk, maybe I just didn't hit enough headshots in it or maybe was not full hp, just skill issue, I guess
@@crownysuccubus1524he can cause if you corner him it’s really easy for him to melt hog which forces him to use his breather
I feel like cyx has kind of a bad habit of taking health packs when his supports are healing him, all it’s doing is denying them ult charge.
You know what is worse than losing ult charge space. Everytime he picked up a health pack he gets right back into the fight to not have his entire team get collapsed in by the enemy tank and dps.
Less than a month and he will receive a huge nerf
Yup I hate playing against him as Hog it feels unfair
And playing any of the other tanks especially rein and Winston against hog is hella more unfair
@@aland7234skill issue
Most boring tank.
as a mauga main imo a hog is a 50/50 counter really depends on the support. if you have a good kiriko that can get rid of the anti then you would be able to out heal the machine guns and stun him with the hook. i always see hogs trap me and it always buts me in a corner and away from my team. in summary hog vs mauga in 1v1 then mauga wins but in a general round then the hog has a better advantage.
How you a Mauga main… dude just came out.
@@ayoungdumbandcuteperson3196
He made it the fuck up that's how.
@@ayoungdumbandcuteperson3196 he’s been playing him nonstop probably
@@legatusleo5116 main implies experience, even if non stop from my perspective it doesn’t really hold up. But definitions are different from everyone, I just think it’s new toy syndrome coupled with over-tuned fun
@@ayoungdumbandcuteperson3196 that’s fair tbh
as a doom one trick, i can say he is not good😂😂
How to win vs mauga rn: you can't, fight not him, fight his team 😊🎉
Mauga makes the game so unfun
I did extensive Mauga testing and he currently has 10 hard counters in the game
Dumbest thing I've read all month
1:20 : the current overwatch experience. this is so boring by blizzard. the game is in it's worst state in years.
I wish they hadn't released him
MAUGA is a stronger version of zarya imo
being a damage sponge instead of mitigating damage do be bad vs mauga;
Everybody here has a dogwater way of rebalancing mauga when all he needs is lower shield gen. There's nothing inherently wrong with him as a character
Well before manga there wasn’t really what you could call a bar hard counter for ball. There was never any one character that didn’t offer counter play options. Old sombra was kinda like that until you learned to play against her and then huess what? Ball is a soft counter to sombra. The main for ball is the stupidly huuuuuuge maps. Push, domination etc. ball team takes so damn long to cross the map so on those maps you literally fighting against patience.take away the ability for every hero in the game to body block him and it’s a step in the right direction
I will play Raum
Imo, Mauga is boring to play.
Second
I think hog reeaper could be good into him
They don't need to nerf him. They just need to make the other tanks stronger. That's it. Make tanks a massive threat in a fight. Mauga is fun as hell because he's exactly what you get when you give players two mini guns as a tank. So make the others tanks strong. Rein should be doing way more damage with his hammer. Orisas gun could be stronger and maybe a slower rate of fire could be there to compensate. Hogs pellets have less of a spread. Just stuff that makes all the tanks stronger in their expertise. Mauga is carrying two machine guns that are fairly accurate, of course people are gonna be frustrated when the tank player happens to know how to aim.
Nerfs are 10x beter than buffs in this stage of the game bro. Power creeping is what leads to people either geing lasered or nothing dying at all. For the nature of oerwatch they should nerf healing and damage, but not cooldowns
@@dmfwaaron7015
I disagree. Cooldowns should absolutely be increased. That and reload times, too.
This will allow for heroes to have more down time and windows of opportunity where they're much more vulnerable or unable to heal (in the case of supports).
Opinion on ball?
@@Skeletor1 Fuck Ball. I hope they nerf that character more every patch.
Not the fact that one of his abilities give him basically god mode for like 5 seconds
Most boring hero ever....
First
Mauga is fine
Nah is boring and takes 0 skill to use
nah...he's fine@@mrsalty8050
@@mrsalty8050 then use your skill to outplay him, it should be really simple
@@legatusleo5116how? The main way to beat him is either mirror or have an Ana.
@@Polymath2B well I’m not being too serious tbh was just messing around it all does kinda devolve into Ana/Zen or Ana/Kiri tbh I also find Mei a decent dps option since she can toss her ult into his ult to counter it in some way but he is fairly new so I can’t say this full certainty