Soul after Death - WHY IS THERE NO REPENTANCE IN HELL?
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- Hieromonk Seraphim (Rose). The Soul after Death.
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- St. Dorotheus of Gaza. Directions on Spiritual Life. Direction 12. The citation source: www.holy-transfiguration.org/l...
- St. John Cassian. The Writings of the Ten Conferences of the Fathers in the Desert of Skete Sent to Bishop Leontius and Helladius. Conference 1 by Abba Moses. Chapter 14. On the Immortality of the Soul. The citation sources: www.holy-transfiguration.org/l..., www.newadvent.org/fathers/350...
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For those who are confused about Origen's heresy of the Apocatastasis look here:
What it basically does, it denies our free will and God is "forcing us to salvation." That's why because God is not a tyrant, and He is Love, this heresy of restoration is not Orthodox. Read below:
"The condemnation of Apocatastasis as a heresy at the Fifth Ecumenical Council is documented in the Acts of the Council and various historical sources. Here are some references:
Acts of the Fifth Ecumenical Council (Second Council of Constantinople): The official records of the council proceedings contain decrees and canons issued by the council. These documents condemn various teachings, including those associated with Origenism and the doctrine of Apocatastasis.
Secondary Sources: Numerous historical and theological works discuss the deliberations and decisions of the Fifth Ecumenical Council. These include writings by contemporary historians, theologians, and church fathers who documented the events and outcomes of the council. Some examples include the works of Evagrius Scholasticus, Theophanes the Confessor, and others.
Patristic Writings: Church fathers and theologians who opposed Origenism and the doctrine of Apocatastasis wrote extensively against these teachings. Their writings, such as those of Saint Cyril of Alexandria, Saint Justinian I, and others, provide insights into the theological controversies of the time and the reasons behind the condemnation of Apocatastasis."
Anathemas Against Origen: The council issued anathemas against various teachings attributed to Origen, including the belief in the ultimate restoration of all rational beings (Apocatastasis). These anathemas explicitly reject the idea that all souls will eventually be saved and assert the eternity of punishment for the damned.
Decrees and Canons: The council's decrees and canons address theological controversies related to Origenism and its implications for the doctrine of salvation. These documents affirm orthodox teachings on the nature of Christ, the Trinity, and the final judgment, while condemning deviations associated with Origen's speculative theology, including the idea of universal restoration.
Synodal Letters: The council may have also issued synodal letters or encyclicals summarizing its decisions and teachings. These letters could contain references to the condemnation of specific heresies, including Apocatastasis, and provide theological explanations for the council's positions.
What it means is that if apocatastasis is “true”, it means that God “forces” His will upon us and denies our free will.
It consequently means that the devil and his fallen angels will eventually be forced to salvation. Of course this is completely wrong. In this case, God becomes tyrant and He “cannot be” Love, became He “imposes Himself unto us and our free will.”
The truth is that God wants us to live Him freely and by our own choice, not because we are forced to.
There is no such thing as free will. If we choose anything good or right it is because God has enabled us to do so. Choosing evil is an absence of will. Its a distortion. The only will that is actually substantive is the will of God. Remember evil is a privation. And the only thing to do with a privation or an absence is to fill it with knowledge and light. In the same when you turn on the lights the darkness ceases so much so that there's is no memory of it. Specifically the knowledge and light that is within the trinity is what is needed. But of course we know that entities that embody the darkness will either have to be transfigured in this life or destroyed in the next.
@nker8743 to say that there is no such thing as free will, is to believe that God is a tyrant who forces upon us His will. We are always free to choose whether we want to be in union with God or against Him. The only thing that’s ours is the free will, otherwise we are robots whose life is already predetermined. That’s what many false religions teach. It’s a pure Gnosticism and nihilism
@@joshbanker8743 your viewpoint is not the testimony and witness of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of The Ages, because it is not in line with the Law, the Prophets or the Apostles. Choosing evil is not an absence of will, but the human will’s movement away from the will of God Almighty. There is a difference.
That is why it is so important to pray for those asleep!
ربي يسوع المسيح يا آبن الله ألحى أرحمني أنا عبدك الخاطئ امين
1. peter 4:6: “For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.“
1 Peter 4:6 NIV
That's referring to the souls who died because Christ's incarnation and resurrection, not those after His resurrection and ascension.
Amen. Great readings. Please Always commemorate the dead.
Christ is Risen! Indeed He is Risen!
Help me be with you after i leave this earth yeshua, so i can always be safe with and in you amen in your name amen
I love this channel
This was amazing ❤
Please turn down the volume of the background chants. Whilst they are great they distract from the message
Thank you. A great explanation.
The story of the rich man and Lazarus is not parable but a true story
Possibly
Amen 🙏
Perhaps the question of why there is no repentance for the soul after death is examined here in light of patristic attitudes and gospel readings, but I find myself still left scratching my head as to exactly why. My opinion, upon reflection, is that the soul is dreaming without any interruptions, as it has no bodily existence. Hence the increased activity of the soul, but not necessarily its freedom. Because, if anxiety is the antechamber of hell in this life, it follows that the hell of the soul is the unending anxiety dream. And if it is truly said that the doors of hell are locked from the inside, then this state of hell dreaming is created by the spiritual contents of the soul being locked into a self-reflective loop. And the reason repentance is impossible is because there is no longer an objective real world in which God exists to interact with and learn from. If the soul has not found God in a meaningful way, become close to God through repentance, then God does not really exist for that soul as anything but an idea. But the one whose dreams were already filled with holiness while they lived, will find God there after death.
Existence after the physical death is not a "dream" but real existence. World that soul enters after leaving the body is real world, place of God's dwelling. That world is not bound by the time and hence it is eternal - "there is no time" to repent. Otherwise, there would be a time "before" and "after" repentance, which is impossible in the world where time does not exist. If we read parable of Lazarus, we can see as to how rich guy realized his wrongdoings during his life but was already cast away. State of his soul was locked the moment it left his body. (2 Cor 5, 10) "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done IN THE BODY, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." Only while in its complete form - soul and body, mankind can be held responsible for their actions. In such a complete state we will be judged for eternity, hence the resurrection of the body.
@@johnnyd2383 @@johnnyd2383 You sound like you're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say the world the incorporeal soul enters is a completely real one, and on the other hand you say that nothing is really real for the soul until it is resurrected in a body. If the world the sould enters is "real" (and dreams are not "real") then it must perforce be a physical world of some sort. What is going on with the soul then, in this real world? Is it like a ghost or a holographic picture? And does this real world of God's presence feature some special torture facilities to punish this ghost while God looks on and mocks? The great thing about religion is that one's beliefs don't have to make sense as long as one is convinced they are true. Like the man at the wedding who was convinced that he was a guest.
@@MichaelK.-xl2qk In Orthodoxy there are no "places" of punishments or rejoice in the afterlife. Souls do not "go to" Heavens or Hell. State of the soul determines whether it is experiencing Heavens or Hell in a presence of the Divine. We do not try to describe the world God dwells in especially not in a formats delusional sci-fi movies offer to us. What we know so far is that it is not bound by the time and space as both of those were created and have their beginning as described in the (Genesis 1,1). How does it look.? St. Paul says: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." (1 Corinthians 2, 9) And you are trying to explain it as a hologram.? Oh boy-o-boy...
@@MichaelK.-xl2qk this is how I heard it described by a holy father, I forget who.
Angels are immaterial, yet they appear in bodies. There is no contradiction. Compared to man, they are immaterial. Compared to God, they are material, as only God is truly immaterial. And remember we are trying to put into words things which do not fit into the categories we even have words for.
@@WoodchuckNorris.8o You make a valid point about the intermediate and relative way things appear real. However, the proposition that the soul is not sleeping prior to the ressurection is debatable, especially since the Church refers to this state as sleep. If is is sleep, then the souls experieces are as dreams. If not, then the Church is incorrect. And the body isn't sleeping, it's dead, so that's not what is meant. Yet dreams form an intermediate state of reality, much as you allude to. So much so, that to sin in a dream is to incur guilt on your soul. It is considered to be the Astral plane. And although astral travel is known to be possible, perhaps the unrepentant soul cannot travel upwards to heaven because the angels of punishment bind it hand and foot.
Who would have thought
So in a nutshell , if I undestand it correctly - Soul cannot act after it's separated from the body after death, right? Then what marvelous mystery is the resurrection going to be I can't even comprehend it
While the soul is still conscious, it is no longer able to repent, once it has been disembodied and entered the eternal. We are only able to repent in this life, while in the body. The reason being, is that as souls, that are both eternal spirit and mortal body, our changeable state of being within temporal time and space, is what allows us to change our mind, our will, our ways etc. in order to turn back towards God. So, if we leave the body and temporal time and space, before having both repented and been reunited with the Holy Spirit, our fate is sealed. This is because there is no other time or way to repent and acquire the grace of God, in order to inherit His eternal life. Make sense?
Tradition has it that Lazarus lived 30 more years after the Lord resurrected him, during which he only smiled once after seeing someone steal a clay pot. He was deeply tormented by what he saw in hades.
Yes. He was a bishop in Larnaka (Cyprus) and once when a thief entered his house to steal something he caught him and said: "Homa klei homa; Dirt steals dirt" (that's when he smiled for the first time)
@@holyresurrectionofchrist why did he smile yet the thief stole
I hope by repentance you mean changing your mind and not repenting of sins to be saved.
Both. Repentance is a way of life. Our whole life
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due to the fact that the soul disembodies, technically
The music is too loud here.
because you're dead. you get destroyed based on the sins you've accumulated with the sufficient amount of payment owed to god to bring perfect justice. then you die the 2nd death. take jesus' words literally when he says he'll give you eternal life.
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
Here we can see that christ is speaking to us , how many times he tried to save us but we are not willing because we are blind
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations. ...... psalm 22 says that all shall remmember and turn to the lord, and paul says something about our names are written in heaven , so i guess the ones who die and are not with christ will burn but then the soul comes into a diffirent body and their name wont be written . Because christ said 28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth
So its either hell and heaven.
Or we come back here until we follow christ , but the thing is , we lose our name in heaven . But with christ we wont come back here and we will be saved to eternal life , so its not a game . ☦️ i know the church will never agree with me or reincarnation but it makes more sense to me , and the ressuraction happens to the ones who their names written in heaven ( who accepted christ ) and again everything starts again .
No, Holy Scripture,
specifically affirms a second death for those who are not found to be in Christ on Judgement Day. The unsaved are thrown in the Lake of Fire, which is essentially eternal death in the presence of God, dying forever without dying. There are no second chances in the afterlife without repentance in this life. The Lord have mercy on us all.
@@makingsmokesince76 im not saying second chance but the soul will be shaped in a diffirent person and that person will have eternal life instead of the one who didnt . Read psalm 22
@@thenarrowdoor7 no, this teaching is not in agreement with the witness of the Holy Bible and the Holy Church of The Ages. The “kindreds of nations” from Psalm 21(22) refers to the REMNANTS of the nations, who abide in Christ, not all the nations and all their peoples. The Holy Scripture is very clear: “1 “At that time Michael the great prince, who stands watch over the sons of your people, shall stand up; and there shall be a time of tribulation, such as never happened until that time, since there was a nation upon the earth. But at that time your people shall be saved, all found written in the book.
2 Then many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to disgrace and everlasting shame.
3 Those who understand shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and some who are righteous, like the stars of heaven forever and ever.” ~ Daniel 12:1-3 (LXX). We also read in the book of Isaiah; “22 “For just as the new heaven and the new earth which I make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, “so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 It shall come to pass from month to month and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall worship before Me in Jerusalem,” says the Lord. 24 “They shall go forth and see the dead bodies of the men who transgressed against Me, for their worm shall not die, and their fire shall not be extinguished; and they shall be a vision to all flesh.” ~ Isaiah 66:22-24 (LXX). Holy Scripture, is clear, yes, while every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Christ as Lord in His presence, not every person will be saved. At the time of the resurrection, when all will receive their resurrection bodies, those whose names are not written in the Book of Life, will be raised to condemnation and eternal damnation. Thus, your “theory” about a get-out due to the receipt of a new resurrection body is not only unbiblical, but also wilfully ignorant and in disobedience to Christ’s Holy Church of The Ages, its testimony and teachings by the grace of His Holy Spirit. So, I urge you to return to the Word of God and His Church. Pray for a humble spirit and obedience to His Holy Will, while denying your own. Sincerely, I beg you, let go of this stubborn idea and repent to God and may He have mercy on us and save us.
@@makingsmokesince76 origin of alexandria he taught most of the church fathers of the church u know theyr names yet he is considered a heretic , how a heretic teached ones who became saints ? Hmmm .... eternal condemnation yes . The ones who are with christ are saved and others to condemnation and shame , until they find christ . Otherwise if its not like that then look around you , how many are obidient to christ ? So u want to tell me that satan will win at the end ??? No way , we are all gonna be saved , just not at the same time .
Ok. So by what criteria do i attain the purity God requires? Please explain.
Also ... What is meant by Psalm 127 ... V 1 ... unless The Lord build the house? & V 2 ?
Repentance and Humility
i have heard some christians have the opinion that the soul will not burn forever, but will perish after the sins had been paid for. its not eternal punishment just like there is no eternal salvation, its punishment with eternal consequences and salvation with eternal reward. what do you think about this opinion ?
Matthew 18 8-9 : "And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the **eternal fire**."
God doesn't lie. He didn't lie to Adam and Eve when He told them what would happen to them if they ate from the tree of knowledge. He didn't lie when He was in the flesh and spoke the truth to those alive in those days. His apostles didn't lie when they preached the very knowledge that they learned from our Lord.
The eternal is without end or beginning so eternal death is dying without end, which will be hell. This is what is meant by the worm that never dies.
Sounds like purgatory, a heretical Roman Catholic idea.
It can be eternal in consequence but not in its experience
But we can pray for the dead
This is sort of an extreme view in orthodoxy, no? I find David Bentley Hart’s examination of apokatastasis and theosis is a far better estimation of God’s ultimate end for us all.
No it's the opposite, Hart's view is not orthodox and not founded neither on Holy Scripture nor on the Holy Fathers but a mutilation of both, and universalism is a heresy condemned by the councils.
The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
Matthew 26:24
Hart is not a church father nor a saint, his opinions are not greater than those of the Saints.
Apocatastasis is a heresy condemned by the Church on the Fifth Ecumenical Council.
@@holyresurrectionofchrist that’s just blatantly untrue
Origen and the heresy of Apocatastasis was indeed condemned as a heresy.
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The Origen's heresy of apocatastasis is truly condemned by the Holy Fathers
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The loud chanting is distracting from the message.
Burning Hell for humans is not in the Bible original languages. Would a loving God create such a place.
Yes, he would. And the term is “Gehenna”.
@@CalebDekker Sorry disagree, used only symbolically. A loving God would not create such a place. The doctrine of Hell fire is a Catholic invention with its roots in paganism. Sad that you would believe that our awesome God YHWH would create such a place and then put the wicked one in charge of it, beggars belief. All the best to you.
The fire is not real it’s metaphorical
The Dogma of Hell is very real and it's Orthodox truth. There is not allegory or just "symbolism". Beware of those who teach hell is not real.
Anathemas Against Origen: The council issued anathemas against various teachings attributed to Origen, including the belief in the ultimate restoration of all rational beings (Apocatastasis). These anathemas explicitly reject the idea that all souls will eventually be saved and assert the eternity of punishment for the damned.
Decrees and Canons: The council's decrees and canons address theological controversies related to Origenism and its implications for the doctrine of salvation. These documents affirm orthodox teachings on the nature of Christ, the Trinity, and the final judgment, while condemning deviations associated with Origen's speculative theology, including the idea of universal restoration.
Synodal Letters: The council may have also issued synodal letters or encyclicals summarizing its decisions and teachings. These letters could contain references to the condemnation of specific heresies, including Apocatastasis, and provide theological explanations for the council's positions.