You can adjust/align the limb pockets too with the inset grub screws on the side of the riser. Mine were slightly loose when I got it & tightening them quietened it down a bit & a pair of beaver balls made it much better.
sure you can. I simply think bearpaw should put a note in the box to tell you what to do. as they did with their new version of the field stars. not everyone knows how to deal with ILF. thanks for watching
If shooting split finger I'd be inclined to dial in some positive tiller to quieten it down and get rid of some of that reverberation. Some bare shaft tuning would be useful in ascertaining the right arrow and the correct nock height. Finally, maybe some string silencers, but if tuned correctly they may not be necessary.
@@ArminHirmer I see your point but manufacturers are fraught trying to explain complex tuning concepts to archers who may or may not have any idea what they're trying to achieve. Particularly with mid range bows that new archers with questionable technique could buy as their entry to trad archery. You know what they say about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. Having said that, a brief description of which screw/bolt adjusts what and why would be helpful for 'new to ILF' archers :)
A traditionell Take down should be delivered , even ILF with a correct Tiller. My shadow raiser arrived with -13mm. Bearpaw don`t check the Raisers.Try tiller0 to+3mm....the bow is a quiet precise beast.
@@archersnipe3855 For the bowyer to 'estimate' tiller they would need to at least ask whether you shoot split or 3 fingers under. Even then it's still just an estimate that may or may not be optimal for your specifics.
looks a lot like TradTech stuff. On "humming" - pretty much every ILF bow I shot with had that (esp. metal risers). So, Limbsaver dampeners/string silencers are usually needed.
Hi Armin! I really liked your video, and I think I'll watch them all. I bought an ilf shadow recently and like you I can not find any recommendation on the adjustment of the tiller. I saw that in your video you didn't adjust it. What do you think ? Is it necessary to set it like a hunting ifl? With the branch greater than 9mm more? or not ? And I want to clarify that when you loosen the tiller, no screw on the back of the bow comes to block it. What makes that when the arc is disassemble this screw can move and disrupt what you did. I don't understand what Bearpaw wanted to do. Besides, I wrote to them several times on this subject and I never had any response from them, which is not very serious. Again thank you for your videos and if you have time to answer me it would be nice!
I'm interested to know why you talk about arrow weight more than spine ? I'm relatively new to archery and was under the impression to look at Arrow spine when choosing an arrow for a specific bow . I understand that an arrows spine will change with different tip weights and overall length! thanks... I really enjoy your style of Archery videos, keep up the great work :)
Spine is easy, many charts out there. For me it is more the weight and with this the lowest one can go with a bow, regarding to the bowbuilder. But from bearpaw you don't get a min gpp
Cool another blacksmith/blademaker! That puukko look great! That is considered a great sign of respect to give someone a puukko. I am not into the modern bows, I do however always enjoy watching you shoot. Now it's time for me to go take my Mughal crab bow back from my son and go shooting myself.
I emailed Heny Bodnik to enquire about the specs for this bow. He informed me he sold Bearpaw in 2019 so has no information on this bow as it is not sold by him. It is not a Bodnik bow. Bearpaw inform me this bow is made in Asia but didnt tell me what part of Asia
ILF isn't everyone's cup of tea. The system can be fantastic for those who needs takedown capability, or into a lot of tunning/system expansion. For some the ILF could be repelling. But these bows do shoot great, even if you get low end stuff.
What's going on here? I recently started shooting recurve and was told I had to wear a glove and arm guard. Clearly this isn't the case. Well, thank you for the review. You're doing a great job!
there are different opinions out there. the way we shoot, no armguard is needed. when you follow FITA style you might need on. And the glove is optional, some think you might have a cleaner release with it. i prefer to build up my callus :D
Ich habe den shadow die letzten 3 Wochen ausgiebig getestet. Logisch knallt der bei zu leichten Pfeilen. Bearpaw gibt allerdings kein Mindestgewicht an. Das Teil hatte 6 Wochen Lieferzeit; kommt ohne Anleitung und Werkzeug. Schlecht,das sollte besser werden. Bei meinem Raiser hat die Einstellung so ziemlich gepasst, die Whisperstring ist einen Tick zu lange und muß ordentlich eingedreht werden. Achtung bei den lbs...ich habe die 40er Arme und bekomme bei 30" Auszug 46lbsauf die Waage. Der Bogen liegt super in der Hand lässt sich butterweich ziehen und schiebt mal richtig an. Wir schiessen ausschließlich Gelände und 3D und dafür ist er konzipiert. Warum ILF....ganz einfach. Parcour fertig...werkzeuglos auseinandernehmen...in den Rucksack und "nach Hause" wandern.
Schöner Bogen ohne Zweifel, schießt sich auch schön. Dennoch für den Preis sollte ein wenig mehr Customer Service seitens Bearpaw vorhanden sein. Ich nehme auch an, dass die Einstellungen ab Werk passen, doch man hat Schrauben und Schlüssel und sollte informiert werden wie und was und warum. Für einen Recurve sind zehn gpp Pfeile schon recht schwer. Aber klar einfach und schnell verpackt ist er :D
Sometimes it is a good idea to put the rubber ON 😂 Jokes aside, has anyone ever made an ILF compatible riser that has two shelves? An ambidextrous one.
depends how much time I have to choose :D the next best bow as last ditch. Otherwise.... hmmmmm.... something small and fast and powerful. A nice Tatar I guess, or a similar Han bow
Slick Stick is still 30 years, no worries. i guess the ones he does not build in his company will have just two years... and Slick Stick is still my fav bow from henry :D enjoy shooting
Bearpaw is a brand that gathers together two manufacturers - Bodnik Bows of mr Henry Bodnik, and all his bows do have 30yrs of warranty; and Penthalon Bows, and those have 2yrs of warranty. Bear paw Shadow is a Penthatlon bow.
I wish. If Bodnik would send one to me... I cannot afford to buy all bows out there, but maybe I can get my hands on one in the future. Thanks for watching
Realy for 350 euro they dont put carbon in the limbs? Katastrof for that money and that wibrations after shoot is not in all recurve bow Dont like this But thanks for review👏 now i now to dont buy this bow😉
J'ai acheté un shadow l'an passé et j'en suis réellement très déçu ; Bearpaw a fait un arc à la va vite . Déjà SAV de la poignée qui a fissurée au bout de trois mois d'utilisation ! Le bois de la poignée n'est pas vernis ce qui fait que la peinture part très vite , elle ne reste pas noir bien longtemps . De plus les deux petites vis latérales afin de régler l'alignement des branches sont fixées sur un bois hyper cassant !Si vous forcez un peu trop là aussi votre poignée est fendu ; Bref à ne pas acheter , vous ferez des économies et éviterez les déceptions
Armin you always speak about weight of the arrows and never about spine etc. All others speak about spine values like a religion. So what's you secret? :-)
You can adjust/align the limb pockets too with the inset grub screws on the side of the riser. Mine were slightly loose when I got it & tightening them quietened it down a bit & a pair of beaver balls made it much better.
sure you can. I simply think bearpaw should put a note in the box to tell you what to do. as they did with their new version of the field stars. not everyone knows how to deal with ILF. thanks for watching
If shooting split finger I'd be inclined to dial in some positive tiller to quieten it down and get rid of some of that reverberation.
Some bare shaft tuning would be useful in ascertaining the right arrow and the correct nock height.
Finally, maybe some string silencers, but if tuned correctly they may not be necessary.
Of course one can and I did simply adjust the brace height a bit. Now it is silent. My grape is that one does not get any info from the company...
@@ArminHirmer I see your point but manufacturers are fraught trying to explain complex tuning concepts to archers who may or may not have any idea what they're trying to achieve. Particularly with mid range bows that new archers with questionable technique could buy as their entry to trad archery. You know what they say about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.
Having said that, a brief description of which screw/bolt adjusts what and why would be helpful for 'new to ILF' archers :)
A traditionell Take down should be delivered , even ILF with a correct Tiller. My shadow raiser arrived with -13mm.
Bearpaw don`t check the Raisers.Try tiller0 to+3mm....the bow is a quiet precise beast.
@@archersnipe3855 For the bowyer to 'estimate' tiller they would need to at least ask whether you shoot split or 3 fingers under. Even then it's still just an estimate that may or may not be optimal for your specifics.
looks a lot like TradTech stuff. On "humming" - pretty much every ILF bow I shot with had that (esp. metal risers). So, Limbsaver dampeners/string silencers are usually needed.
I agree. A friend of mine shoots a traditional ILF (Hoyt if I remember correctly). Can hear him 3-4 targets away on our field course!
Hi Armin! I really liked your video, and I think I'll watch them all. I bought an ilf shadow recently and like you I can not find any recommendation on the adjustment of the tiller. I saw that in your video you didn't adjust it. What do you think ? Is it necessary to set it like a hunting ifl? With the branch greater than 9mm more? or not ? And I want to clarify that when you loosen the tiller, no screw on the back of the bow comes to block it. What makes that when the arc is disassemble this screw can move and disrupt what you did. I don't understand what Bearpaw wanted to do. Besides, I wrote to them several times on this subject and I never had any response from them, which is not very serious. Again thank you for your videos and if you have time to answer me it would be nice!
Looks like a nice bow, may get better with string silencers.
Armin, thank you very much for your video's.
I'm interested to know why you talk about arrow weight more than spine ? I'm relatively new to archery and was under the impression to look at Arrow spine when choosing an arrow for a specific bow . I understand that an arrows spine will change with different tip weights and overall length! thanks... I really enjoy your style of Archery videos, keep up the great work :)
Spine is easy, many charts out there. For me it is more the weight and with this the lowest one can go with a bow, regarding to the bowbuilder. But from bearpaw you don't get a min gpp
Great vid man as usual I have this bow noise is the only downside to an ilf system doesn't bother me it's a really nice bow
Really love Bodnik bows - thanks for the review.
Not a Bodnik bow, read my earlier post to explain,
Tighten the limb bolts and the rattling will be gone..mine did that..
Cool another blacksmith/blademaker! That puukko look great! That is considered a great sign of respect to give someone a puukko.
I am not into the modern bows, I do however always enjoy watching you shoot. Now it's time for me to go take my Mughal crab bow back from my son and go shooting myself.
yeah, I feel so honoured that he made this knife for me. Enjoy shooting and thanks for watching
I'm considering getting this bow but haven't found any information about the max. draw length anywhere online. Did you manage to find out by chance?
I don't have this bow anymore, but it did 30 inches easy. ask henry bodnik, he should know :D
Super, vielen Dank fuer die rasche Auskunft. Habe bei Bearpaw-Products nochmal nachgefragt und dort wurde mir 30" als max. Zuglänge angegeben.
@@ArminHirmer Not a Bodnik bow. I asked him. Sold Bearpaw in 2019
I emailed Heny Bodnik to enquire about the specs for this bow. He informed me he sold Bearpaw in 2019 so has no information on this bow as it is not sold by him. It is not a Bodnik bow. Bearpaw inform me this bow is made in Asia but didnt tell me what part of Asia
great looking riser
Das geknalle würde mich wahnsinnig machen!
ILF isn't everyone's cup of tea. The system can be fantastic for those who needs takedown capability, or into a lot of tunning/system expansion. For some the ILF could be repelling. But these bows do shoot great, even if you get low end stuff.
What's going on here? I recently started shooting recurve and was told I had to wear a glove and arm guard. Clearly this isn't the case. Well, thank you for the review. You're doing a great job!
there are different opinions out there. the way we shoot, no armguard is needed. when you follow FITA style you might need on. And the glove is optional, some think you might have a cleaner release with it. i prefer to build up my callus :D
Ich habe den shadow die letzten 3 Wochen ausgiebig getestet.
Logisch knallt der bei zu leichten Pfeilen. Bearpaw gibt allerdings kein Mindestgewicht an. Das Teil hatte 6 Wochen Lieferzeit; kommt ohne Anleitung und Werkzeug. Schlecht,das sollte besser werden. Bei meinem Raiser hat die Einstellung so ziemlich gepasst, die Whisperstring ist einen Tick zu lange und muß ordentlich eingedreht werden. Achtung bei den lbs...ich habe die 40er Arme und bekomme bei 30" Auszug 46lbsauf die Waage.
Der Bogen liegt super in der Hand lässt sich butterweich ziehen und schiebt mal richtig an. Wir schiessen ausschließlich Gelände und 3D und dafür ist er konzipiert.
Warum ILF....ganz einfach. Parcour fertig...werkzeuglos auseinandernehmen...in den Rucksack und "nach Hause" wandern.
Schöner Bogen ohne Zweifel, schießt sich auch schön. Dennoch für den Preis sollte ein wenig mehr Customer Service seitens Bearpaw vorhanden sein. Ich nehme auch an, dass die Einstellungen ab Werk passen, doch man hat Schrauben und Schlüssel und sollte informiert werden wie und was und warum. Für einen Recurve sind zehn gpp Pfeile schon recht schwer. Aber klar einfach und schnell verpackt ist er :D
How does this bow compare to the Southwest Archery Stingray? They both look similar and I wonder if they shoot the same.
Never shot this one so I can't tell. I think they are the same. This bow comes in many names
Sometimes it is a good idea to put the rubber ON 😂
Jokes aside, has anyone ever made an ILF compatible riser that has two shelves? An ambidextrous one.
Probably to modern for me but why not competitive archers (3D) or hunters?
Nice review. 😉
is this cut pass center?
Great vid. Nice looking bow but not my cup of tea. Cheers, Armin.👍😎🏹🇨🇦
Armin,Please try to review the ANUBIS from ARROWFORGE..Supposed to be even better than SLICK STICK..Enjoy watching you!
will do my best, maybe they can send me one for a review...
my i ask what do you have in the bags to stop the arrows.
old plastic nets, but you can use clothes too
Hey Armin, what's your absolute favourite bow?! The one you'd take in case of zombie appocalypse!
depends how much time I have to choose :D the next best bow as last ditch. Otherwise.... hmmmmm.... something small and fast and powerful. A nice Tatar I guess, or a similar Han bow
@@ArminHirmer Aww thank you for the reply! Greetings from Mauritius.
What is the leather for??
for the shelf
what is inside the sack(target)? thanks
old plastic nets, but you can fill them with clothes too
I thought Bearpaw had a 30yr warranty on all they're bows?
they had in the past. here it goes like this: Guarantee: This bow is warranted against breaking or de-laminating for a period of two (2) years.
@@ArminHirmer
I just bought a slick stick a few months ago. Is it covered in the 30 yr warranty? Not even sure if I looked because I assumed it was!
Slick Stick is still 30 years, no worries. i guess the ones he does not build in his company will have just two years... and Slick Stick is still my fav bow from henry :D enjoy shooting
@@ArminHirmer thanks buddy! I enjoy your videos! Did you ever get the twang out of that shadow?
Bearpaw is a brand that gathers together two manufacturers - Bodnik Bows of mr Henry Bodnik, and all his bows do have 30yrs of warranty; and Penthalon Bows, and those have 2yrs of warranty. Bear paw Shadow is a Penthatlon bow.
Can you please do a review of Mohawk recurve vs hybrid?
I wish. If Bodnik would send one to me... I cannot afford to buy all bows out there, but maybe I can get my hands on one in the future. Thanks for watching
A while back I asked Henry Bodnik what GPP of arrow weigh for his bows. He said nothing less then 6gpp and you should be OK.
great, they should write it on their website
What does 'zo' mean?
It means "So"
Beautiful bow. A little to modern for my taste however.
yepp, for me too. But I had the chance to test it hehe
I do like how they are starting to cater to us. I bet it is all Lars Anderson's and Kassai's Fault!
Dear Armin Hirmer , you mentioned in your video that you would prefer a “Monarch”. What bow is that ??
Realy for 350 euro they dont put carbon in the limbs? Katastrof for that money and that wibrations after shoot is not in all recurve bow
Dont like this
But thanks for review👏 now i now to dont buy this bow😉
this bow is a shit !
J'ai acheté un shadow l'an passé et j'en suis réellement très déçu ; Bearpaw a fait un arc à la va vite . Déjà SAV de la poignée qui a fissurée au bout de trois mois d'utilisation ! Le bois de la poignée n'est pas vernis ce qui fait que la peinture part très vite , elle ne reste pas noir bien longtemps . De plus les deux petites vis latérales afin de régler l'alignement des branches sont fixées sur un bois hyper cassant !Si vous forcez un peu trop là aussi votre poignée est fendu ; Bref à ne pas acheter , vous ferez des économies et éviterez les déceptions
Drum auch die schwereren Pfeile und eine Dämpfung - er sagt es doch
Armin you always speak about weight of the arrows and never about spine etc. All others speak about spine values like a religion. So what's you secret? :-)
hm... I guess a simple spine chart, which I follow more or less
ilf = i dont like fkn take down
Crapy and loud bow from China (Sanlida Archery).
Proper silencers and tuning would take away the loudness
I dont agree with crappy. I have one and love it. My next bow will be Bodnik